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bullet ALERTS on Friday 21 September 2018 - 18:31:01
TYPE: FIRE TYPE UNKNOWN AREA: LAKE ARROWHEAD 5XX PIONEER RD - LAA X GRIZZLY RD/N OLD TOLL RD UNITS: ME94 ME26 CALCOM FEDCOM
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bullet Benny (N6BWX) on Friday 21 September 2018 - 17:36:47
Looks like a great topic for the forum, a lot of good discussion here, sad to see it all scroll off....
bullet Minka on Friday 21 September 2018 - 17:19:33
Between Stars: 🤣
bullet NShore.Allen on Friday 21 September 2018 - 17:03:13
There is a BVES "de-energization" plan meeting Sept 25 atet e Best Western.. will inform you what will happen during a wildfire. You may get your other questions answered too.
bullet Between Stars on Friday 21 September 2018 - 13:24:37
Nice weather we are having.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 13:14:22
JT, i will do my best to pass this along. I agree. BVES is not really "with the times" when it comes to informing its customers of outages. I know SCE has a LIVE outage map and will send you numerous fliers and emails letting you know there will be a planned outage. I know BVES follows SCE standards for a lot of their planning work and hopefully SCE's approach with outages will rub off on BVES as well.
bullet Just Thinkin' on Friday 21 September 2018 - 13:11:43
Hey ButlerPeak-- your information is appreciated. I think that BVES' biggest problem is the lack of communication with BB Valley residents. And while I see efforts to improve communication (ie: the meetings regarding emergency de-energizing), there is much more they could do. For instance, in August there were scheduled outages. Residents were not well informed; an alert was posted to BVES' Facebook page but...come on...how many of us check BVES' Facebook page every day? If you have connections with the company's administration, tell them they need to do a better job keeping residents informed of ALL developments -- planned or otherwise. Alerts and announcements should be immediately posted to KBHR, The Grizzly, and SoCalMountains.com. If they continue to "leave us in the dark" so to speak, this will only fuel further rumors and greater hostility. Please relay this to the decision makers at BVES. Thanks!
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 12:49:42
The company has to follow the agreement with the City or they will be in violation and will receive numerous citations. They will comply.

Like i said the businesses probably didn't pay for it. Im 90% sure the city did. So this is a moot point. However, from my experiences the businesses will gladly pay for Utility poles to be removed to increase their "curb appeal" in hopes that more customers will come to their store. They dont generally need to raise their prices to cover the cost because the "curb appeal" does work and their buisness goes up due to higher customer volume and not price increases.

Like i said it is what it is. I understand that it was a HUGE pain in the butt for the locals, but in the end it is a solid improvement for BVES that should reduce outages and increase the reliability of the overall grid.
bullet Airport Razz on Friday 21 September 2018 - 12:40:17
Living in a fantasy world if you really think that if a business upgrades their store front that they aren't going to pass that cost onto their customers. Happens every bloody day in our economy. Or as the politicians like to call it, TAX INCREASE. And what happens when the company that needs to to the boring says its now too expensive and thumbs their nose at local government, like they already have? We will still have poles. Just another broken promise. BPF not blaming you or BVES (other than the mess with generator and our ridiculous rates) but end of the day, the money still has to come from somewhere and it aint coming out of Jerry's pocket. Rose colored glasses doesn't do anyone any good.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 12:08:29
Here is an explanation

[Click Here]
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 12:07:37
Yes that is correct. Its called a "moratorium". Directional Boring does not involve digging up the street. Its much more expensive and is used in instances like these.
bullet holeinbow on Friday 21 September 2018 - 12:03:24
After the last round of undergrounding work, i thought nobody would be allowed to dig up the boulevard for five years?!
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:58:48
I'm not trying to be the bad guy here I just want to make sure everyone understands the whole picture. I work for an outside contractor and do alot of the engineering work for various power companies. BVES is one of them. I did not plan the job on BB Blvd, but i understand the process from an insider's point of view.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:56:49
Comm/CATV are scheduled to go underground VIA directional boring which should have a minimal impact. BVES had an original plan to include CATV/COMM alongside their Underground project, but those companies refused the proposal and opted to go a different route (directional boring). They are required to go underground and should do so within the next year.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:52:30
American States Water...is an Investor Owned Company......so like i said...
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:49:40
Just Thinking...SCE is also publicly traded....Most Utilities are....the investors make money but the company does not.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:48:47
Im sorry Razz but that's simply not correct.... How are business revenues correlated with Rate Increases? That makes no sense. Businesses upgrade their storefronts to generate more revenue; making this an investment. I honestly think the City paid and yes that comes somewhat from Taxes. The Electric company also invests in a fund that that City can use. Like I said this is a bit more complicated than i think you appreciate. It looks and seems simple but there are several moving parts.....none of which result in a rate increase for you. CPUC is very stringent in allowing rate increases without a plan for MAJOR infrastructure improvements. Also remember these are IMPROVEMENTS which help deliver your power more efficiently and with less interruptions.
bullet Just Thinkin' on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:47:54
ButlerPeakFire-- Maybe BVES can claim nonprofit status, but the company that owns them (American States Water) is a FOR PROFIT company traded on Wall Street: [Click Here]
bullet Airport Razz on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:42:32
That type of thinking is why California is one of the many reason its in the dumper. Again, where does all this money come from........US....JOE PUBLIC. If the city paid, its from our taxes, if a business paid, its from revenues from our payments which are generated by what? RATE INCREASES. Who pays those rate increases? WE DO. Hence, WE PAID. And we are very aware of why the poles remain but I still initially blame the city for not following through property and dragging the project out even longer and longer. City needs to grow a pair when it comes to things like this that benefit the general public instead of taking the hard line stance when it just benefits them or a select few. Putting soapbox away now.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:40:15
They could just leave all the Utility poles up and not improve anything....

And then im sure people will be here complaining about that.

Taxes are not evil....they pay for infrastructure that is continuously in need of upgrades.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:38:24
"Joe Public" did not pay for any of the BB Blvd Project except for the inconvenience it caused during construction...
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:36:53
Also PS....Electric Companies are "Non-Profit" ....there is no "Scrooge McDuck" at the top counting his coins...

bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:35:36
There is a fund that is set up for each city for completions of Rule 20 projects....

Sigh...

When BVES does a Rule 20, it is planned and estimated and the city decides if it can pay for the improvements. BVES didn't spend a dime.

Like i said Rule 20 projects and how they are funded is a much more complicated matter than a "bill increase" (which has no correlation)..

Its far to complicated to explain here.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:33:13
The poles that remain are due to the Comm/CATV compaines...not BVES. All BVES Facilities were moved to Underground....

So your gripe is misplaced. I would call Charter or the Phone Company to complain...

Again you as a customer did not pay for the improvements on BB Blvd. BVES didn't pay either. The city or the businesses paid. The cost for converting to underground is somewhere in the neighborhood of $360 per linear foot. Be happy that someone else paid.
bullet Airport Razz on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:30:20
BPF, if the business (electric, phone, etc) or the city paid for it, just where the heck do you think they got the money from in the first place? They have a money tree planted somewhere up here? Last I checked, it still comes from Joe Public one way or the other. Electric company isn't going to cut into their profits for something like pole removal. Oops, soapbox still out. . Oh, and lets not forget the secondary cost we public paid with the traffic mess and nightmares for 3 years now. We paid and we paid dearly and will continue to pay.
bullet Airport Razz on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:27:03
Seeing as we are talking BVES, I'm pulling my soapbox out for a bit. Remember, we own a very expensive generating station. Located where? On BVES property. Why don't they use it? The State and EPA wont let them. Someone screwed up when it was built (from our money mind you) or just too darn long to finish it, and before they could get things corrected, certified and on line with the State and EPA, the regulations had been changed so drastically that the thing would never be able to certified. So we own a big pile of junk doing nothing for us at all. Sort of like the State of California and BBL bureaucracies. Kind of feel the same with having the utility pole removal shoved down our throat. Yep, they are all gone aren't they (NOT) and there is a good chance that they will still be there when I kick the bucket years from now. Sorry bout the soapbox
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 11:26:59
Also the improvements on BB Blvd were paid VIA a Rule 20A or Rule 20B. Which means either the business or the city paid for it. Its a bit more complicated but in the end it wasn't truly paid for by you.
bullet ButlerPeakFire on Friday 21 September 2018 - 10:25:26
The main reason you pay more per KW Hour is because BVES buys power generated by Edison. The backup generators cannot do anything if there is a fault downstream on the line (this is the usual culprit of an outage). The generators are mainly for if SCE Transmission lines fail....


CPUC Regulates ALL POwer Companies in CA and they cannot increase rates without cause.
bullet Just Thinkin' on Friday 21 September 2018 - 10:17:11
Thank you for the insights, FF. "Component failures" -- what a perfect underhanded way for BVES to solicit rate increase approvals! We paid for all that nonsense along BB Blvd, and we'll likely be hit up for much more soon.
bullet FF Mac on Friday 21 September 2018 - 09:47:18
Just Thinkin - I’ll tell you why (from a previous solar energy contractor perspective). BVES has outdated equipment, suposedly “backup generators” that are supposed to kick on to restore power when there is an outage within milliseconds (which we pay for on our bill) which I’ve NEVER seen actually do what they are supposed to. Maybe they reserve them for the big commercial properties, who knows. BVES has the monopoly up here and due to them being a private company, they can pretty much do and charge whatever they wish just short of CPUC regulations. We’ll probably always have to deal with it and they will keep asking for rate increases. I expect more outages this winter as they have more “component” failures.
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Sep 21 : 06:31pm
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Benny (N6BWX)
Sep 21 : 05:36pm
Looks like a great topic for the forum, a lot of good discussion here, sad to see it all scroll off....

Minka
Sep 21 : 05:19pm
Between Stars: 🤣

NShore.Allen
Sep 21 : 05:03pm
There is a BVES "de-energization" plan meeting Sept 25 atet e Best Western.. will inform you what will happen during a wildfire. You may get your other questions answered too.

Between Stars
Sep 21 : 01:24pm
Nice weather we are having.

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 01:14pm
JT, i will do my best to pass this along. I agree. BVES is not really "with the times" when it comes to informing its customers of outages. I know SCE has a LIVE outage map and will send you numerous fliers and emails letting you know there will be a planned outage. I know BVES follows SCE standards for a lot of their planning work and hopefully SCE's approach with outages will rub off on BVES as well.

Just Thinkin'
Sep 21 : 01:11pm
Hey ButlerPeak-- your information is appreciated. I think that BVES' biggest problem is the lack of communication with BB Valley residents. And while I see efforts to improve communication (ie: the meetings regarding emergency de-energizing), there is much more they could do. For instance, in August there were scheduled outages. Residents were not well informed; an alert was posted to BVES' Facebook page but...come on...how many of us check BVES' Facebook page every day? If you have connections with the company's administration, tell them they need to do a better job keeping residents informed of ALL developments -- planned or otherwise. Alerts and announcements should be immediately posted to KBHR, The Grizzly, and SoCalMountains.com. If they continue to "leave us in the dark" so to speak, this will only fuel further rumors and greater hostility. Please relay this to the decision makers at BVES. Thanks!

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 12:49pm
The company has to follow the agreement with the City or they will be in violation and will receive numerous citations. They will comply.

Like i said the businesses probably didn't pay for it. Im 90% sure the city did. So this is a moot point. However, from my experiences the businesses will gladly pay for Utility poles to be removed to increase their "curb appeal" in hopes that more customers will come to their store. They dont generally need to raise their prices to cover the cost because the "curb appeal" does work and their buisness goes up due to higher customer volume and not price increases.

Like i said it is what it is. I understand that it was a HUGE pain in the butt for the locals, but in the end it is a solid improvement for BVES that should reduce outages and increase the reliability of the overall grid.

Airport Razz
Sep 21 : 12:40pm
Living in a fantasy world if you really think that if a business upgrades their store front that they aren't going to pass that cost onto their customers. Happens every bloody day in our economy. Or as the politicians like to call it, TAX INCREASE. And what happens when the company that needs to to the boring says its now too expensive and thumbs their nose at local government, like they already have? We will still have poles. Just another broken promise. BPF not blaming you or BVES (other than the mess with generator and our ridiculous rates) but end of the day, the money still has to come from somewhere and it aint coming out of Jerry's pocket. Rose colored glasses doesn't do anyone any good.

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 12:08pm
Here is an explanation

[Click Here]

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 12:07pm
Yes that is correct. Its called a "moratorium". Directional Boring does not involve digging up the street. Its much more expensive and is used in instances like these.

holeinbow
Sep 21 : 12:03pm
After the last round of undergrounding work, i thought nobody would be allowed to dig up the boulevard for five years?!

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 11:58am
I'm not trying to be the bad guy here I just want to make sure everyone understands the whole picture. I work for an outside contractor and do alot of the engineering work for various power companies. BVES is one of them. I did not plan the job on BB Blvd, but i understand the process from an insider's point of view.

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 11:56am
Comm/CATV are scheduled to go underground VIA directional boring which should have a minimal impact. BVES had an original plan to include CATV/COMM alongside their Underground project, but those companies refused the proposal and opted to go a different route (directional boring). They are required to go underground and should do so within the next year.

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 11:52am
American States Water...is an Investor Owned Company......so like i said...



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