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Deb Doodah, Wed Sep 23 2020, 06:52PM

Since the other COVID thread has devolved into nothing more than arguing and snapping at each other, I am starting a new one.

This thread is for people to share helpful information. If you want to argue or be disruptive, take it elsewhere or it will be deleted.



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SDGrandma, Wed Sep 23 2020, 09:23PM

Deb,,, Interesting "suggestion" from my doctor. He suggested to his younger patients like me, 70 years young and over to get a Covid test prior to getting the Senior super Flu vaccine. His take is that some of us may have it and not know and the Flu vaccine being given while having Covid may not be wise since your system is probably defending itself. He made it clear that he had no scientific background on this just wanted to give us a suggestion . That is my kind of doctor. He recognized that he did not know all but prescribed some common sense. Thought I would share.

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srndpte, Thu Sep 24 2020, 06:59AM

Thank you Deb!

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Jellylorum, Thu Sep 24 2020, 12:25PM

SD Grandma. If any research on that pops up, it would be interesting to see the result.

I know some vaccines can bring on illness faster, if it is already incubating in your system. Some cats and dogs have a reaction simply because their immune systems have been over sensitized. Most vets take that into consideration when doing certain vaccines.

When I worked with animals, we used to see that in some pups. If they had been exposed to parvo or distemper without our knowledge, and then vaccinated after the fact, occasionally they would get sick a few hours after vaccination. Coincidence, or underlying infection being forced to surface more quickly?

It may have happened once to me. About 5 hours after one of my flu vaccinations, I came down with the flu. The flu shot cannot give you the flu, but I wondered then if it might have forced my underling infection to surface faster.

I've had flu vaccines many times, but only once had a possible reaction.


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wisteria1, Thu Sep 24 2020, 04:41PM

If you google "should I get tested for COVID before getting a flu shot?" a bazillion websites come up, none of which I could find that recommended skipping the flu shot (EXCEPT if you have confirmed or suspected COVID already and then they suggest you stay home for the safety of the health care workers, not expose others).

Here's just one of the articles.

Should I get the flu vaccine?

Getting the flu vaccine every year is the best way to prevent infection with influenza, a virus that can cause many of the same symptoms as COVID-19, including fever, cough, difficulty breathing, and even death. Flu vaccines are usually available in the fall each year. Particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, it’s even more important to be vaccinated against the flu to help prevent influenza, avoid a mistaken diagnosis of COVID-19 and preserve healthcare resources. There is no evidence that getting a flu vaccine increases the risk of getting COVID-19.

Additional COVID-19 Questions – Penn Medicine

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Benny ⭐, Thu Sep 24 2020, 05:36PM

Flu shots may be good preventative maint, but it really isn't 100% by any means. I have friends who get the flu shot every year and every year they still get the flu. I used to get the flu shot until I became terribbly ill a week after the shot, almost killed me. So I forgo the shot nowadays and seem to be sick less. Just my personal experience, some Dr's will tell you there's no way you can get sick off the flu shot, others will argue of course you can, you're getting all those viruses in a very small dosage to build your immune.

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wisteria1, Thu Sep 24 2020, 05:59PM



That could have just been timing. It takes about two weeks after the shot for your body to build up the antibodies and if you were already exposed, the vaccine would not yet have been effective. The injection flu vaccine is made with dead virus, the nasal spray method is the one that uses weakened live ones (if that makes a difference).

I'm old, I have respiratory problems, my doctor strongly recommends the vaccine for me and I'll take a 50% chance of protection as better than nothing but that's just my choice. I'd rather not come down with something that even resembles COVID because I have the feeling health care resources are going to be strained.


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Benny ⭐, Thu Sep 24 2020, 06:31PM


Agreed, anything is better than nothing, hence the argument with masks. While some say they do nothing, they prevent you from at least spitting on someone, so 1% is better than zero. The flu shot thing was very flukey, but dr's have told me that was likely the cause.

The flu shot is made from dead viruses and cannot "give" you the flu. However, the vaccine can trigger an immune response from your body, so you may have a few mild symptoms, like achy muscles or a low-grade fever, which arguably could trigger the flu. The nasal flu vaccine, FluMist, is made with a weakened live flu virus so......?

Take it at your own risk I guess, if it helps protect people I'm all for it, just may not be for me.

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Jellylorum, Thu Sep 24 2020, 07:16PM

One of my old co-workers never gets the flu shot, and never gets the flu, either.

When I get sick, I tend to take longer to recover than is typical. When I cough, another coworker used to tell me I sound like I'm trying to hack up a lung; it feels like it, too. I choose to get the vaccine, especially since the vaccine rarely causes issues for me.



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Nature, Sun Oct 04 2020, 06:06PM

I get the flu shot yearly snd have never have had any reaction to it other than not getting the flu even when someone in my home still gets it and has not gotten the shot. I understand there is a Pneumonia shot for people over 60 or 65. I would think that that might not be a bad idea with Covid, seeing how pneumonia is one of the killers during Covid infections, especially with the vulnerable population.

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Around The Lake, Sun Oct 04 2020, 07:40PM

Thank you for the tread.

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CoyotePass, Wed Oct 21 2020, 03:25PM

One advantage to masks and some of the other precautions we're all taking is that they may well protect you against contracting things like the common cold and the flu.

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Airport Razz, Wed Oct 21 2020, 03:38PM

I will say that this year has been less cold/sneeze/cough for me. With employees both working at summit and small children in school, various vacation cabin people, in/out of the stores, I usually spend most of the winter with basic sniffles. With the CV19 stuff and bathing in hand sanitizer 3-4 times a day, I have to say, those pesky things aren't around. Hasn't helped with the sinus attacks unfortunately. I know there is spit flying when I talk, I have dentures and I can see it in the sun so there has to be some validity to wearing a mask in close quarters for sure. Even if it is just a bandana. Personally I think our saving grace up here for why our infection rate is still low is because the slopes did get closed when they did last year. If that hadn't happened I truly believe we would have been just as bad as down in the city. Hang in there folks. We have a long long long way to go.

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Nature, Thu Oct 22 2020, 11:23AM

When I go to The beach areas and sometimes through Hollywood, it’s good to see the majority of people complying with the requests to wear masks. I have often heard of treatments including Vitamin D and Zinc.
I’ve taken Vit D for many years snd decided to start adding Zinc to my regime. I understand they probably use those two things in a very different manner but it doesn’t hurt to supplement as we don’t likely get all we need from our daily diets anyway. I know some take added zinc when they catch a cold as well. Get your flu shots. A vaccine for this virus will show up that we can trust soon enough. Stay safe.

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CoyotePass, Sun Oct 25 2020, 06:44PM

I have one of the worst jobs possible, doing strangers laundry. I take every precaution since the pandemic started. I haven't had a cold or flu since I started wearing the mask and gloves and everything else. Usually I get hit every four or five months with something, but nothing since late January. Gee, I guess that means masks work.

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wisteria1, Tue Jan 12 2021, 05:23PM

Floating this back to the top for doohickey and anyone else interested in continuing the conversation.

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KK, Tue Jan 12 2021, 06:10PM


Thank you!


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COLDMIZER, Tue Jan 12 2021, 08:45PM

Working for a school district, we are required to wear face masks at all school sites. I feel they do have protection value, but I haven't seen anyone mention personal hygiene. If we carry around some hand sanitizer in our vehicles, and use it after we reenter our vehicles, wash our hands prior to, and after, we use restrooms, avoid rubbing eyes and touching our mouths, these actions too may help with the spread. I have never received a flu vaccine, and so far, have been ok. But again, keep oneself clean and avoid touching eyes and mouth, and that will help us all. Hand sanitizer is a simple thing to use and easy to carry.

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Benny ⭐, Wed Jan 13 2021, 11:47AM

For your vehicle these are great, it's a cupholder hand sanitizer dispenser. 2 for 15 bux, they work great!

They offer different colours, designs, etc. Enjoy!

[Click Here]

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Nature, Wed Jan 13 2021, 02:44PM

Thank you bringing this thread back. I have sorely missed it. I unknowingly made s mistake on the other thread and was blocked. That’s fine as I’m exhausted trying to help those who want to believe that following the “recommendations” to keep us safe is the right thing to do. Listen to your doctor. In the testing phase, by the makers of the vaccines, Bells Palsy has been noted in very, very few cases and those cases recover on their own. I feel the benefits of taking the vaccine, as do our scientists, far out weigh the risks. As far as I know personally, and if incorrect please ping that out, no one has died from taking the vaccine, unlike getting COVID..
With only 1/3 of the distributed vaccines being administered so far, in my opinion, perhaps the rest of it should be first come first serve, in the next tier, so at least that the remaining doses are not thrown out and wasted. They save so many lives. Use them up. More will come. My only question, if anyone knows does the second dose have to be taken within three weeks or the entire dosing system’s effectiveness canceled. Can the second dose be taken later than three weeks and will it still be highly effective. Any input would be appreciated.

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Benny ⭐, Wed Jan 13 2021, 07:17PM


I personally know of several people who came down with Bells Palsy or fell ill, one of them in the hospital from it. I only know about a dozen people or so who have had the vaccine, half of them with some negative reaction or complication(s), hopefully just something faily isolated or rare. I do know there have been a handful of deaths due to severe allergic reactions, but you have to dig pretty deep to find that info, it's not something anyone wants out there.

Like with anything of this nature, that's going to happen and I guess it's an 'acceptable loss'? Greater good?

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Airport Razz, Wed Jan 13 2021, 07:26PM

There is always an 'acceptable loss factor'when dealing with things on this scale. It isn't just at war time. Not so sure about the greater good part but that remains to be seen. Acceptable loss is one of many reasons it is refered to as 'practiciing' medicine.

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JulieBigBear, Wed Jan 13 2021, 09:24PM

There have been over 7000 employees vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine at the hospital I work at. I have not heard of anyone having a reaction and word travels fast. There are over 100 nurses I’ve personally worked with who also haven’t had reactions. The second shot has made a lot of people feel sick for about 12hours (flu like symptoms). I managed to handle the second dose well, my husband and 4 coworkers felt sick after the second shot. I highly recommend taking zicam, airborne, or emergent -c the day of and the day after the vaccine as well as drinking plenty of water and ibuprofen or Tylenol. In addition I would hold off on strenuous activity the day of and after the vaccine. When asked, all those that felt ill afterwords said it was well worth it. We as a group have seen many Covid cases and it’s scared us enough. Stay safe!

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ArchJohn, Thu Jan 14 2021, 08:33AM

Today's news: California will now vaccinate the younger part of the population (65+) like me. Where do I sign up?

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Nature, Thu Jan 14 2021, 12:29PM

When you have a notice put out for 750 doses of the vaccine and you have 250,000 people trying to sign up for it, I’m ok with waiting until I can get it without having to wait in a line overnight or for miles long lines of cars. I don’t understand the lack of doses being given and the doses expiring. I would think they wouldn’t have enough with the demand out there.

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Nature, Fri Jan 15 2021, 07:38PM

I don’t get the fact only 1/3 of of the vaccines have been given and now distribution for the second vaccine is questionable? If there is still 2/3 of the vaccine unused one would calculate using it for the second doses instead of letting it go to waste. It seems that organization of all this could use some common sense.

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BootsNBridles, Sat Jan 16 2021, 08:49AM

Nature- San Berdoo county is NOT like the rest of California.:-) In fact SB Co is doing such a good job with distribution (qualifying tiers) that other counties are copying us. Now if we can just keep those who AREN'T qualified for the vaccine from tying up the lines and trying to get it early we will all be able to be vaccinated before March. Check here for details: [Click Here]

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Nature, Wed Jan 20 2021, 09:22PM

Boots. Really good to hear that. Dealing with people who try to cut in line is pretty much the norm from what we are hearing. Websites are crashing because people have to go online to try to get a place in the lines. I don’t have any ideas on how to make it easier. Perhaps just time will work it out. Seems more and more people are coming down with the virus in Big Bear. AM PM closed down. A friend of mine has a relative who works there and was told everyone there caught it. Another person at my company came down with it and as always say it’s s nasty illness. The more people we get vaccinated, the sooner things should get back to normal. Doesn’t make sense that any of these vaccines should expire with the demand for it unless it’s just a lack of bodies to administer the shots.

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BBNona, Thu Jan 21 2021, 06:29PM

I had the first dose of vaccine last Monday. Minor headache that day and sore arm for two days. All good and I feel the benefits outweigh the risks.

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moco, Thu Jan 21 2021, 07:57PM

my elderly seventy something parents had the shot on monday. no side effects other than a sore arm. they seem relieved. i guess i would be more concerned if i was there age and or had a medical condition. it seems to have given them some cause for peace of mind.

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BootsNBridles, Thu Jan 21 2021, 09:12PM

Please try to spread the word - the vaccine does NOT keep you from getting Covid. You can still get it, you can still spread it. BUT it makes the symptoms survivable and that is what most of us want! But if someone with the vaccine becomes careless because they think they are safe they may spread it to someone who hasn't had the virus and is at risk!

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JulieBigBear, Thu Jan 21 2021, 09:44PM

So true the vaccine just protects you from severe symptoms from covid and that you will be less likely to spread it if and when you get it. You still need to be careful and wear a mask. Having to wear the mask is no fun but saving others from getting sick is well worth the incovience.

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SDGrandma, Thu Jan 21 2021, 11:01PM

I had the Moderna vaccine on Wednesday. Shot did not hurt. Had appointment at Petco Park in San Diego. I am 76. Waited there for the required 15 minutes. They signed me up for the 2nd dose. Arm hurts less than when I get my flu shot. Today no other side effect so far other than a sore arm where I got the shot. The anxiety of getting the side effects that everyone seems to think we should get was the worst part of it all.

Just like Moco's parents it was a relief. However I hear that the second one does make you feel like you have the flu because your system is working as it should and gets into a heated argument with the first shot. So we will see how it goes.

Stay safe everyone.

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WestyN, Fri Jan 22 2021, 09:08AM

Had Maderna on Tuesday, my experience the same. Didn’t feel the shot, thank you excellent pharmacist, no side effects. Although I told my daughter she would have to make dinner shhhh. Lol. Can’t wait to get #2! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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Nature, Sat Jan 23 2021, 11:29PM

Perhaps I need to do more research on the vaccine as it was my understanding that the vaccine is between 90% and 95% effective in keeping you from getting the virus. There is no guarantee you wouldn't be in the 5% or 10% group that can still get the virus.
The most dangerous time is between the first and second doses, if the one who got the shot feels safe and doesn't continue their precautions.
I have heard of those people getting the virus an some even dying from not being careful after the first dose. Regardless of what percentage you are in it's best not to take any chances because when you get the vaccine they sure cannot tell you if you are in the 90% to 95% safe group or the 5% to 10% vulnerable group.
It's exactly the same with the flu vaccine only far less percentage of protection I've been very fortunate with my flu vaccines every year. Touch wood.

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Jellylorum, Sun Jan 24 2021, 07:48AM

It was my understanding that 90% effectively means that 90% won't catch the virus at all. Many of the remainder might have a milder case.

As with any vaccine, it takes about 2 weeks after the final vaccine to achieve full immunity. Since this takes 2 vaccines about a month apart, full immunity will take about 6 weeks, if you are one of the 90%.

After vaccination, take precautions against catching Covid. The virus is still new, there are still many unknowns about possible long-term effects. If you are in the 90%, your immunity may be less effective against variants, just as with flu vaccines. Your immunity level is not complete for several weeks, since it takes significant time to develop. You may be in the 10%.

Some care in avoiding possibly catching Covid, even after vaccination, is likely necessary.

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BootsNBridles, Sun Jan 24 2021, 09:39AM

90-95% effective at keeping you from DYING from the virus. That's direct from the county health department.

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99TJSahara, Sun Jan 24 2021, 10:27AM

While researching face mask effectiveness I came upon a YouTube channel by Aaron Collins. He has run a series of tests on the effectiveness of many available masks at filtering aerosol particles. He shows his setup and explains his methodology. I would suggest anyone interested in protecting themselves and others to check it out. Has anyone seen anything similar?

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Squatch, Sun Jan 24 2021, 10:42AM



Isn`t this the survival rate BEFORE the vaccine arrived?
If so, the survival rate appears to be about the same either way!


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Jellylorum, Sun Jan 24 2021, 11:29AM

If you are one of the lucky ones that avoid catching it all, you can also avoid potential long term side-effects of catching even a mild case. Since this virus is novel (new), that issue is still under study. Hopefully long-term effects won't be much of an issue.

That's not always the case, though. Think chicken pox (shingles - which can recur many times and destroy vision if it goes to the eyes) and syphilis (3rd stage = death).

As more data is gathered over time, we'll be better informed, and can make choices based on that.

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BBNona, Sun Jan 24 2021, 12:42PM

I had the Pfizer Covid vaccine on Tuesday. No side effects except a sore arm and light headache which might have been caused by other things. So all is good! Thank you all for the helpful info, not looking forward to the second dose as I’ve heard that this the one that can cause minor flu like symptoms. One of my good friends just had her second dose and she was perfectly fine except for sore arm.

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Mtngoat John⭐, Sun Jan 24 2021, 01:10PM

Well loss of memory seems it could be an issue.






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BootsNBridles, Sun Jan 24 2021, 05:02PM


Emailed a friend of mine who happens to be a scientist and asked them for clarification. It is 95% effective a generating an immune response was their take. An immune response ahead of getting the actual virus means your body has already created the antibodies it needs to fight off the virus.

Here's the more technical explanation about how this new type of vaccine works. I found it interesting and reassuring:
How mRNA vaccines work. They absolutely do not alter your DNA in any way. The mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cells. The mRNA is taken into the immune cells, the cells read the "instructions" and make the spike protein and then the mRNA is destroyed. It breaks down quite quickly. One of the reasons we haven't had mRNA vaccines before is that they hadn't figured out how to make it last long enough for your body to produce enough target (in this case the spike protein) to produce a suitable immune response. mRNA vaccines are new in that these are the first ones to come to market, but that's mostly just lucky timing. They've been working on the technology for a very long time and COVID just happened to hit at the time when they finally had it all figured out.





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Nature, Sun Jan 24 2021, 05:49PM

From the CDC website:
How COVID-19 Vaccines Work
COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness. Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection, but with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.

It typically takes a few weeks for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes after vaccination. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection..

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AudioGuy, Sun Jan 31 2021, 09:10PM

I've been hearing of deaths from the vaccine...

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BootsNBridles, Sun Jan 31 2021, 09:44PM



I haven't heard of any. Please cite your sources so we can all verify them. Rumors are bad medicine in a pandemic.

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SDGrandma, Mon Feb 01 2021, 12:24AM

Audio Guy There have been over 23 million Covid vaccines given to people..... The news I have seen of deaths and have been able to verify and read more details about them seem to support the safety of the vaccine "so far".

I saw the headlines a few days ago about deaths in Norway and read up on it. Their 33 deaths were among the elderly and support their expectations of persons dying after the vaccination who may have been in delicate conditions and they have an average of 35 deaths a year without Covid in the elderly population in nursing homes. They also report that there is no evidence they died from the vaccine but of causes already existing and most were older than I and I am 76. There was a doctor that died here in the US but he had a rare blood disorder and they are still investigating if the vaccine had anything to do with his death.

I am just as nervous as the next person. But I got my first shot and plan on keeping my appointment for my 2nd shot. Everyone needs to make their own choice as to receiving the vaccine or not. Even with the vaccine you can still get Covid but not as bad and you still need to wear a mask and distance. It may take years until they perfect the vaccine. At least there is some hope right now. Stay safe

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AudioGuy, Mon Feb 01 2021, 05:32PM

Do your own due diligence, and make your own best decision.

Just keep in mind that
1) there have been large amounts of info regarding the dangers of vaccines in general (deaths, injuries from vaccines), prior to this one here... and that sort of track record probably should at least be kept in mind...
2) this vaccine here hasn't even been around all that long (it's brand new, really). How is the safety even supposed to be known? It cannot even be possible to know the safety, especially the long-term safety!
3) this vaccine is supposed to have a gene-editing ability (i.e., change your genetic code). That ought to be at least a little bit of concern, yes? To me that is HUGE...
4) you won't be able to sue anyone if something bad happens... the vaccine industry was given immunity from that a while back. Here, you guys like to use MSM sources, so I'll give you a link from MSM on this: [Click Here] You would be taking your own safety into your own hands. Or another way of looking at it.... you'd be completely entrusting pharma with your safety, life, and health. I personally don't have that kind of trust for pharma...

I'm not even talking about other well-known Orwellian things such as the ID2020 immunization certificates or the depopulation agenda, either.
I am simply talking about the vaccine itself here, as far as vaccines are concerned.

Am I going to do your research for you? No. You do that. I already did enough research in the past years to seal the deal for me: "NO vaccines of any kind for my family, ever". I personally will not bother to research it, as I have no plans to take this vaccine even if 'mandatory'. It does not matter to me what the vaccine is supposed to even be for. I am willing to die fighting for my ability to make my own health decisions first (not that that makes any sense to someone who believes the governments makes the best decisions for us, ... but that's part of the huge disconnect between the left and the right anyway...)

If you decide to do research, make sure you are:
1) using an uncensored search engine, such as duckduckgo... google censors (withholds information from the public)
2) have enough sense to consider your sources (as in, whether or not the info that says a vaccine is safe is either directly or indirectly coming from the pharma industry, government, or MSM... all of which are known to lie quite frequently...)

As for the reports of deaths, I'm not even going to research that. I've no time for that. I was just relaying chatter I had heard. If it matters to you, you do the research and see what's true.

Good luck to you, whatever you decide to do or not do.

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wisteria1, Mon Feb 01 2021, 08:14PM

Oh, Audioguy You managed to cram conspiracy theories, politics and unsubstantiated gossip into one very long post (but you don't have time to list even one source). Can you please not get this thread closed too? Thank you.

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MtMan, Mon Feb 01 2021, 08:24PM

Audioguy did not get the other thread closed, look it up yourself and see. Oops, argument free here, can't have disagreement tolerance so, never mind.

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AudioGuy, Mon Feb 01 2021, 08:52PM




Internet search engines are your friend (at least if they aren't google). You'll need a lot of time, and some desire though. I'm in no position to do the legwork for you. Seems like you'd like me to do that for you, but I honestly can't. Hope you understand, time is not cheap.

I recommend duckduckgo or similar.

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Mtngoat John⭐, Tue Feb 02 2021, 05:27AM



Actually he did as well as many others despite attempts by admins to curb comments like the few previous ones. Take those types of comments to the thread in the Politics Forum. Argumentative, confrontational, political and non helpful comments will not be allowed in this thread.

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AudioGuy, Tue Feb 02 2021, 04:54PM

Could you please let me know exactly what I said here in this thread that is going to cause this thread to get locked up? I'm not sure what you are getting at.

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AudioGuy, Tue Feb 02 2021, 05:32PM

I just took a moment to duckduckgo the phrase:
died after covid vaccine

and some deaths were showing up.
[Click Here]

I've seen people's comments elsewhere that indicated more, and have heard of more from word of mouth. Also have seen comments that indicate videos being yanked from the video platforms (very common with certain subjects).
If you are interested, you will take the time to look. If you are not, you won't. I think that's bottom line here. But I have no time to bother looking this stuff up. I did much research (and my wife, even more) over several years on vaccines, and have had a vaccine injury many years ago. Hence, my anti-vax stance. You guys can do what you want, but I do encourage getting an education from sources other than pharma, the government, and the MSM. You've got to recognize which sources are not to be trusted. And do avoid using google, they censor certain subjects so you don't receive full info.

If I sound salty, it's because I've got a pretty strong personality in general and I don't care to lead folks by the hand when info is easily available if they spend 20 minutes to 2 days of their own time looking. I do encourage folks to do their own research, too-- they usually end up with a better view of things if they vet enough sources carefully.

Stepping out of this thread now...

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Not Kidding, Tue Feb 02 2021, 07:08PM

AudioGuy I appreciate your posts, I have seen a chart issued by the CDC that has a count of deaths due to the vaccine, as well as the illnesses and hospitalizations caused by the vaccine. The death rate is 3.4% per the CDC, deaths after being vaccinated. Very scary indeed. I also get that it is up to people to do their own research on the subject - I know I won't be getting any of these vaccines, I would rather have the virus if it is a choice of one of the two (pretty sure we had it last year).

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BootsNBridles, Tue Feb 02 2021, 09:06PM

I am interested. I have looked. I disagree with your conclusion AudioGuy. As do most who have experience in the medical field and especially with contagious diseasers from what I can find. That's as simple as I can make it.

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Nature, Tue Feb 02 2021, 09:55PM

There is another virus thread under the Political Forum.
Any one of us, who can post here, can also go to that thread for vetting
Patting those on the back who push the limits of this thread can all merrily be done on the political virus thread.
When I want to enjoy a good banter and have a laugh, I go to that forum.
Please leave this thread for those who only want to share information about this pandemic in a neutral way. It’s a good thread and we don’t want it closed to posts.
It would be better to have anyone breaking the rules, in the very name of this thread, stopped from posting instead of losing this thread.

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rocketscientist, Wed Feb 03 2021, 02:24AM



Are you sure the 3.4% figure is for deaths from the vaccine? With over 30 million vaccinated so far in the US alone, that would be over a million people . I saw the DDG link to a search on deaths from the vaccine, but didn't see anything even close ( the links mentioned one person in CA, one in FL, one in Portugal, one in Israel, and 23 in Norway).

Also, the links in the search results mention people getting vaccinated, and then dying, but none mention a definitive determination yet that the death was due to the vaccine. They all mention that investigations are underway.

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wisteria1, Wed Feb 03 2021, 06:31AM

"Also, the links in the search results mention people getting vaccinated, and then dying, but none mention a definitive determination yet that the death was due to the vaccine. They all mention that investigations are underway."

That was my takeaway too. I also reran the same search under Google and the same stories came up so I'm not too concerned it's being hidden. Yes, any deaths are concerning and I will be very interested in the investigations but there has not yet been any causal relationship established. People die. There were accusations all year that any death of a COVID-positive patient was falsely being reported as COVID-caused. I'd hate to see the same thing happen with the vaccines because a robust vaccination program is the only way to bring this stupid virus under control.

I don't take my medical advice from the government or Pharma or the media. As they say in the commercials....ask your doctor if the vaccination is right for you.

But thank you, AudioGuy, for providing your sources. Ultimately it indicated it was nothing that was being concealed elsewhere but it is truly something to be aware of and follow.

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MtMan, Wed Feb 03 2021, 01:56PM

In the interest of keeping the "argument free" narrative within this thread, I invite Nature to view the covid thread in the Political Forum.

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Dave™, Wed Feb 03 2021, 08:09PM

I'm pleased to say my wife & I both received our first dose of the Moderna vaccine today courtesy of the BVCHD. Was a smooth and, so far, painless process. Having lived through the polio epidemic in the 1950's where I came extremely close to losing my mother, I have no desire to have our children or grandchildren go through that at my advanced age. The memories are still painful.

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tctahoe, Wed Feb 03 2021, 08:47PM

I think each to their own in what you decide with the vaccine. Personally I’m due for shot number two tomorrow of the Pfizer. I had a bad go at it with shot number one but for me I’d rather have the vaccine than risk getting the virus.

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SDGrandma, Wed Feb 03 2021, 09:16PM

Hi all...An update on my "Covid-19 issues.. Last reply I mentioned I had the 1st Moderna shot and all went well. Still doing great. However both my daughter and son in law are positive and sick. ages 49 and 50. I have 3 grandchildren all of us 6 in the same house. All the children tested negative so far. Daughter and son in law with children met with another family last Friday and Saturday. Their family the dad, son and daughter came dpwn with Covid. The dad quite sick so we were notified.

Interesting is that in the other family, the wife, did not get sick/negative. I did not get sick/negative. Common denominator both her and I had the 1st dose of the vaccine. Which they say after 5-7 days gives you about an 80% protection. The doctors verified that the the first shot does offer some protection... I hope it holds true and will keep you posted.





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Not Kidding, Thu Feb 04 2021, 09:30AM

Please read this article from the American Journal of Medicine, Facebook had to retract their disinfomation regarding the use of hydroxychoriquine as a therapeutic for Covid 19 - now it is being recommended for Covid 19 patients. Wow, I wonder how many people could have been helped if it hadn't have been banned originally.
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Deb Doodah, Thu Feb 04 2021, 11:58AM



The author of the article is suggesting the use of HCQ can be beneficial. That does not mean that the American Journal of Medicine is endorsing this treatment. Here is an article regarding this from Newsweek.

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Not Kidding, Thu Feb 04 2021, 12:22PM

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The author of the article is suggesting the use of HCQ can be beneficial. That does not mean that the American Journal of Medicine is endorsing this treatment. Here is an article regarding this from Newsweek.

I do wonder how many people might have benefited from the treatment had it been allowed to be used, sadly we may never know.

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Skier, Fri Feb 05 2021, 07:38PM

Be careful out there...

Officials warn highly contagious U.K. coronavirus variant is spreading in Big Bear

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Grimjeeper, Fri Feb 05 2021, 08:50PM

Well I'll tell you what.
On Dec 14 I called my Doc. to tell him I had been exposed by my 81 year old mother and was having some symptoms
He immediately sent me where I could get tested with out waiting at the fair grounds or convention center or some other super spreader place.
He also phoned in a prescription for Hydroxychoriquine, Ivermectin, and Azithromycin. and said to fill to right now.
On Dec 16 Doc called to say I tested positive for covid 19. Start the meds now. Waiting for things to get worse was not the thing to do.
Within two days things had cleared up. but still had no sense of smell.
Two weeks ago I donated blood. Blood was test for Covid antibodies. Test was positive I now have a natural immunity to the covid virus.
Doc told me that treatment was discredited to make someone look bad, and it didn't have academia's gold standrad of reseach to back it up, but it works for some people.
I said academia also declared its impossible for a bumble bee to fly but it still does. So what the ivory tower folks have to say I don't take as gospel.
It works for me.


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wisteria1, Sat Feb 06 2021, 05:04AM

"test was positive I now have a natural immunity to the covid virus."

A couple of things.

First, how's your mom?

Secondly, I hope they're wrong but latest guesstimate is that the immunity lasts about six months so please do be careful. My son had it last April so I would love for it to be longer-lasting but since it's only been around about a year, hard to predict.

And finally, hydroxychloroquine was never "banned". The FDA withdrew approval for providing it from the national stockpile. As the previous poster noted, any private physician could still prescribe it if they wanted to. (the state of Ohio did ban it for about a month but reversed that due to protests from the medical community and pharmacists. Science beat politics and fear-mongering.) It simply isn't a safe drug for just anyone to use so touting it as a cure-all would have been dangerous. Getting it from your own doctor who knows your medical history is safer.


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Jellylorum, Sat Feb 06 2021, 10:45AM

Wisteria, I agree with you. Some of the ingredients in the Hydroxy regimen would make me sicker; I can't tolerate some of them.

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Grimjeeper, Sat Feb 06 2021, 12:39PM

Mom caught the virus from the staff at her assisted living place. she was sent to a skilled nursing facility where x-rays showed covid lung. She was treated with steroids' and has since recovered and is back home. Thank you for asking.
True, no one knows how long the immunity from natural infection or injected vaccination will last.
I don't recall saying hydroxychloroquine was banned. I also did not post this to say it was a cure all for every one.
I did not reveal the doses I was given on purpose because this should be prescribed by you own doctor.
Anyway it seemed some wondered about this type of treatment and I thought I would share my first hand experience with it.

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wisteria1, Sat Feb 06 2021, 01:55PM

"I don't recall saying hydroxychloroquine was banned. I also did not post this to say it was a cure all for every one."

You didn't, someone else did. I'm glad it, or something else in the cocktail your doctor prescribed, got you through. Also glad your mom was able to recover Sharing first-hand information is probably how we'll all get through this.

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Denny59, Sat Feb 06 2021, 03:18PM

The American Medical Association did not change its stance from opposing to supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. The association supports the ability of health practitioners to prescribe drugs based on their professional judgement, but insists that practitioners rely on evidence-based medicine. So far, there is no scientific support for the claim that hydroxychloroquine can prevent COVID-19 deaths.

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Grimjeeper, Sat Feb 06 2021, 03:53PM

The American Medical Association did not change its stance from opposing to supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. The association supports the ability of health practitioners to prescribe drugs based on their professional judgement, but insists that practitioners rely on evidence-based medicine. So far, there is no scientific support for the claim that hydroxychloroquine can prevent COVID-19 deaths.

Thats a true statement. In keeping an open mind I've got to wonder. I keep hearing the U.S. has the highest covid rates in the world following the AMA guidelines. Third world countries not following AMA recommendations, using inexpensive repurposed drugs seem to be doing better than us.
I don't know, just makes ya wonder.

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Nature, Mon Feb 08 2021, 07:08PM

I’ve often thought about that and the only thing my mind comes up with is the fact many third world countries don’t have the cleanliness factors we have here in the U.S.
Clean water, disinfectants in almost all homes frequent showers/baths or even concerns about those things.
My best guess would be their immune systems are stronger due to exposure to more germs all their lives which get passed down from generation to generation.
The strong survive. On the other hand, some countries have very stringent laws they have to follow or they face fines and/or imprisonments. Pretty serious motivation to follow their rules regarding this pandemic.

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MtMan, Mon Feb 08 2021, 07:45PM

Obey...

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tctahoe, Mon Feb 08 2021, 10:35PM

Grimjeeper...it’s great news to hear you and your mom are on the mend. Personally as is with all medications things might affect each of us differently. I’ve had the second Pfizer shot and boy it threw me sideways again. Never been so sick. Does everyone react this way? No. Would I recommend it ? Yes but again each to their own and some have their reasons not to which is fine. I don’t harp on anyone. It’s great that the meds helped you and that’s what’s important.

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SDGrandma, Thu Feb 18 2021, 11:42AM

Hi all, Hope everyone is doing well.... update on vaccines... As I stated on previous entries here.....Got my first Moderna vaccine on Jan 20th no side effects...received the second one yesterday morning no side effects other than a bit sore at shot site. Seems us older ones do not get the side effects the younger 25-55 get. Both my son-in-law and daughter came down with Covid in between my vaccines. They are essential workers and had just received their vaccines the day before they really got sick with Covid, They thought it was a reaction to vaccine but not so. My 3 granddaughters and I did not get it and tested twice to confirm. We did what we could to isolate the sick ones. Live in same household.

Talked with others with same issue of one person has vaccine others in household got sick person w only first shot did not get sick. Looks promising.

Not being political just sharing my experience. I also was around during the Polio pandemic and their issues.

Good luck whatever everyone chooses to do.

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Cap'n Crunch, Thu Feb 18 2021, 06:00PM

My wife, I and my 92yo dad signed up on the Othena website in OC some time ago. Nothing happened. Last week at an office visit for dad, the doctor arranged for him and my wife to get vaccinated through their insurance program. They get their Pfizer shots on Tuesday. Last Sunday, I learned of a program with a supply of vaccine on hand, received an appointment for the next day and got my first Moderna shot. No side effects. Just heard today that OC has cancelled appointments due to an inadequate supply of vaccine because of the big winter storm. Still no word from Othena. My advice to others is to be proactive.

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wisteria1, Fri Feb 19 2021, 05:40AM

That SB County link posted a few pages back lists a number of vaccination locations with appts within a reasonable amount of time but my personal preference was for something on the mountain where we seem to have less exposure but Mountains Community in Arrowhead and Rite Aid in Blue Jay were both completely booked for the number of doses they had so I signed up with a Rite Aid on Highland. Kept checking back though and Blue Jay got in another supply so going in a week earlier. Yes, you have to actively seek these places out and, if there's a wait list, get on it and keep checking back.

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BBNona, Fri Feb 19 2021, 03:21PM

I had my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine 3 weeks ago and my second dose last weds. Most nor headache for one day after first dose and now after second dose I have headache, nausea, light headed and dizzy. Seem to be somewhat better today! Worth it to help stop the spread!

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Mtngoat John⭐, Sun Feb 21 2021, 01:43PM

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Snow Shunka's
Feb 21 21: 01:15pm
Doolittle, I would get the Covid - 19 vaccine first. I waited 30 days after my second shingles vaccine. It is recommend that you wait 30 day between vaccines. I worried about a vaccine shortage but had to wait for my first Covid - 19 vaccine. I had my first vaccine on the 18th.

SDGrandma
Feb 21 21: 01:15pm
Doolittle I had both shots for vaccine. Both times they asked me if I received any vaccines within a certain number of weeks/days. If I had they would refuse to give me the vaccine. Check with your doctor AFTER you complete the Covid vaccines as to when you should get the flu one. Good luck.

[AOF]Doolittle
Feb 21 21: 12:36pm
Do I need to get a flu shot before I get the vaccine shot, which I am getting Mar 15th. I have never had a flu shot.


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moco, Tue Feb 23 2021, 05:31PM

there are lots of appointments at copper mountain college open in joshua tree. it was quick and easy adn very well run.

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Socalman, Sat Feb 27 2021, 10:09AM

For those who have had a concern about the Pfizer or Moderna vacccines because they are of a new type of vaccine (mRNA), the Johnson & Johnson has now also been approved for emergency trials and it is of the older style of vaccine, that uses a portion of the protein spike from the covid-19, just like many vaccines of the past 60 yeears.

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Nature, Sat Mar 06 2021, 10:03PM

While hoping our BVComm Hodpital would get another supply of the vaccine, I decided to go to a site advertising shots from Rite Aid. 10 of them offering the shots. I went to everyone with no luck except one. Much to my surprise.
Beaumont was smooth and simple. Getting my first dose in 6 days. It’s simple. I don’t want the virus. I’m healthy and not concerned about dying. My biggest concern was seeing healthy young people getting it, being fine and then dropping weeks later. This virus affects healthy organs and can debilitate them later. Not something I want to test. My work has had several infections and one death. I’m looking forward to going to work and not being overly concerned about those whom I care about coming into my office

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Grimjeeper, Sun Mar 07 2021, 06:39AM

. My biggest concern was seeing healthy young people getting it, being fine and then dropping weeks later. This virus affects healthy organs and can debilitate them later.
I would say that is a resonable concern. My daughter is an ER nurse at St. Joesphs hospital and as seen this happen many times. My wife and i are in our mid 60s as are most of our friends. those we know who have had the vaccine have gotten sick for about one day after the second shot. Then were fine after that. Since i have already weathered the virus I will wait untill the supply of vaccine increases before I try to get a vaccination.

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wisteria1, Sun Mar 07 2021, 10:10AM

grimjeeper, that's very considerate of you but they are estimating immunity from having the virus previously may only last about six months so please consider getting the vaccine anyway. No one is going to begrudge you the dose. I had my first shot at Rite-Aid in Blue Jay and they did a great job with short wait and a safe, clean environment. Supernice people too. (lol...plus it's been a year since I had an excuse to just shop because they like you to wait around for 15 minutes to see if you have a reaction. Happy to oblige. Shopping counts as observation, right?)

I have a friend who isn't a big fan of vaccines in general but when I asked her about the COVID, she said, "Of course! I figure I can weather a bout with the flu but this one can KILL you so yes, I'm already scheduled through Kaiser." My friend is a wise woman.

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AudioGuy, Sun Mar 07 2021, 07:43PM




I happen to be very proactive. I spent a long time researching vaccines (my wife, even more so) and decided against them in any way, shape, or form for my family.

But then, perhaps I am just a little biased. I had a vaccine injury 40 years ago that has lasted to this day. Also, the fact that this 'covid' vaccine supposedly changes your DNA gives me the heebie-jeebies. Seems very unwise, putting trust in that sort of thing.... especially for a brand-new vaccine.

Here's hoping people don't drop like flies over the next 5 years.

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AudioGuy, Sun Mar 07 2021, 07:46PM



Yup.

Good luck to y'all.


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BootsNBridles, Sun Mar 07 2021, 09:43PM



I was concerned until I did more research. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines do NOT change your DNA. They can't even access your DNA. I can't speak about J and J or Astra because I didn't research them. But I would encourage you to do a little more research on the first two. (I don't normally get vaccinated, not even flu, but I got vaccinated this time because I liked what I read.)


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Nature, Mon Mar 08 2021, 12:03AM

Thank you Boots.
I just did some reading myself on theme MRNA vaccines which have studied for at least 10 years. When this first came out I heard this scare about DNA and looked it up back then. The explanation of how it works as a messenger to your physical defense mechanism to trigger protecting you from specific viruses. It does nothing to your DNA/genetics. It delivers a message like taking a “note/vaccine” to a telegraph and the telegraph transmitting the message through the wire/messenger cells to whom it needs to get to, your defense cells.
The analogy isn’t perfect but it breaks it down into a picture easy to see. There are some people who don’t do well with vaccines but if you have had vaccines in the past without any issues, like I have, I’m not worried like the millions of others in line to get protected against this disease with some unknown and possibly devastating affects.

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Nature, Mon Mar 08 2021, 12:11AM

Please excuse my typos. I’m not being allowed to edit my posts right now.
I don’t know why it tells me I cannot edit on “this forum”
I hope that gets corrected.

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ArchJohn, Mon Mar 08 2021, 09:09AM

Is the second round of vaccinations at Bear Valley Recreation still on for this Thursday the 11th? I cannot seem to find this anywhere online.

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SDGrandma, Mon Mar 08 2021, 09:34AM

Arch John Usually they give you an appointment for the 2nd one when you get the first one. I know here in SD they really don't advertise 2nd doses to avoid show ups wanting first ones and still have 2nd doses given out. You may want to contact place where you got the first one in case they are short on doses.

Good luck.

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SDGrandma, Mon Mar 08 2021, 09:38AM

Nature Not sure how you are trying to correct typos.... when you are finished typing what you want to do is go to the "preview" box about two inches from where you are typing...click on the "preview" then make your corrections in the "preview" box and you can re preview before replying to message. As you type originally there are red lines that appear under the so called misspelled words that permit you to correct on the spot. I am not princess Microsoft so I apologize it I am not making sense.
Good Luck,

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wisteria1, Mon Mar 08 2021, 03:02PM

You can't edit a post once it's been posted anymore, they took out that feature. It was discussed in the chatbox last week. '

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SDGrandma, Mon Mar 08 2021, 03:42PM

Correct about edit afterwards.....I was referring to editing/correcting before final posting. Thank you for clarification.

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Nature, Mon Mar 08 2021, 06:25PM

Yes,
I just got a msg confirming that from admin.
I just need to be more attentive about my spelling.
I need to do that with texts too.
Always in a hurry and multi-tasking.
I see they removed the edit pencil on the upper right of the msgs too.
That definitely clears it up.

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Socalman, Tue Mar 09 2021, 05:26PM



I have no issue with the occasional typo. I for one am a perfect typist, but my computer has a tendency to mispeel words afater I tupe thim! You will always get a pass from me, unless you are turning in an assignment to my online graduate level university course.


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BillyJean, Wed Mar 10 2021, 11:03AM


Not DNA, but they do mess with your RNA. I'd be extra careful, there have been a lot of people dying within a week of getting the 'vaccine', Hank Aaron as one of the more public profiles. I know of at least a half dozen people up here who have perished by some coincidence within a week of getting the first shot. Just sayin..... take it for what it's worth.


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Not Kidding, Wed Mar 10 2021, 03:05PM



What she said

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BootsNBridles, Thu Mar 11 2021, 05:24PM



Unless you are willing to provide statistics, names, etc. then this this sounds like conspiracy theory mumblings. I know many health care workers up here- no reports of anything like that. I know quite a few scientists working in this field. No reports of anything like this. Do you know what RNA is? Explain in what way you believe the virus is 'messing' with it please.


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Not Kidding, Thu Mar 11 2021, 06:04PM



This is the link to the Moderna website explaining how their mRNA technology is effectively an operating system much like computer software - I will pass on their operating system. [Click Here]
The CDC website lists thousands of deaths after taking the vaccine, however they don't admit that the vaccine was responsible for killing anyone, interpret how you will.

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rocketscientist, Fri Mar 12 2021, 03:04AM

I had a Johnsonville brat for dinner. I'm going to the market tomorrow. If, on the way to the market, I get killed in an accident, is it because of what I had for dinner?

Hank Aaron was over 65. More than two million people over 65 die every year. I would interpret his death being due to exceeding the mean life expectancy for males by 8 years as much more likely than due to receiving the vaccine.

Given the number of people who die each year, along with the number of people receiving the vaccine, it would be unrealistic to attribute deaths among those who are vaccinated solely or even mainly to the vaccine.



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AllanColin, Fri Mar 12 2021, 05:15AM

Mortality among the population over 65 after vaccination is a normal phenomenon, the only sad thing is that at the moment the press will attribute any deaths with harm from the vaccine. However, at all times and with any vaccine, there have been similar situations, and more than once.

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AllanColin, Fri Mar 12 2021, 05:17AM

For today, if you log in to [Click Here] and search the question of mortality due to the vaccine, you can be horrified

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BillyJean, Sat Mar 13 2021, 09:09AM



There really is a reason vaccine's take 5-10 years for FDA approval. Keep in mind, this isn't just dead viruses like a flu vaccine, this is an entirely different ball-game.

Here's another story for boots, 39 year old perfectly healthy woman making big news. [Click Here]
One of thousands of stories like this across the US, maybe it is an acceptable loss for the greater good if it works, but happening too much to just be a coincidence. Compared to the amount of people that have died from covid it's miniscule, just worthy of noting.
There's a half dozen stories in Big Bear like this, some younger some older, one a fairly high profile figure. Can't give the names, but poke around a bit.

Here's also some technical data for Boots, a good start on mRNA and the process. It's relatively new, not a lot known about it and what long term affects could be. [Click Here]
Arguably, it could be something great for curing much more than just the flu, but it's in its infancy stage.

If you're interested do your own research, if not no sweat, do your thing and hope for the best!

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Nature, Sun Mar 14 2021, 02:56PM

Had my first dose of the Moderns vaccine a few days ago.
Still kicking. Actually feel great.
Like I said... if you have had issues with vaccines in the past consider carefully and if you choose to pass on getting the vaccine, then just remain cautious because this virus has a very nasty reputation for murdering and maiming it’s victims, even at a later date. Take care.

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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 14 2021, 03:04PM


Glad to hear that! I've had friends on both sides, some with zero effects, others with flu-like symptoms for a few days.

Sounds like the JJ Vaccine is the one to go with, more updated for the newer strains, and doesn't toy with mRNA. Instead of using mRNA, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses a disabled adenovirus to deliver the instructions. This adenovirus is in no way related to the coronavirus. Although it can deliver the instructions on how to defeat the coronavirus, it can't replicate in your body and will not give you a viral infection.

Another public figured died after complications from the vaccine, so mileage does vary. Marvin Hagler, boxer: [Click Here]

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Not Kidding, Sun Mar 14 2021, 06:25PM



If you have some time to watch this video it contains important info, this is kind of critical info. If you can't watch the whole thing start at 24 minutes in


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Nature, Wed Mar 17 2021, 06:32PM

What ever reason you have for selecting one vaccine over another, it’s fine. Just do it, unless you are 100% against getting a vaccine for your own reasons. I chose to get the Moderna because it is 94-96% effective for keeping you from getting the virus, just as the Pfizer vaccine is. The Pfizer is harder to store than the Moderna so there is a chance it’s effectiveness could be compromised with any kind of unintentional mishandling. The JJ Vaccine is, i’ve heard72% to 74% effective, against “getting” the virus. The percentage of possibly contracting the virus means something to me. I don’t want the virus to be able to have any possible after effects on my organs, at any unknown time in the future.
Sure there is still that very small percentage for contagion with any vaccine but I like the better odds with Moderna and all the vaccines appear to be effective against all the newer strains, so far. Should that change there will likely be a booster shot when they figure it all out. In the meantime keep doing what we are supposed to do to prevent any kind of spread.
It is 100% on our shoulders to stop the spread. If you don’t want the vaccine then be considerate of others.

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Benny ⭐, Wed Mar 17 2021, 08:28PM


Well said. I'd be more partial to the JJ Vaccine because it's the only real 'vaccine' and not mrna weirdness. It's also proven to be more effective against the newer strains than all the others, and it's one dose. But, tomato....potato. Do whatever suits ya!

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Nature, Sat Mar 27 2021, 09:00PM

Having trouble getting an appointment for the vaccine?
Go to My Turn website. “Call their number” listen and when the recording tells you if you don’t have computer access, “stay on the line”. Someone will come on right away and set you up with an appointment. Tell them your zip code is “92315”. No other zip in a Big Bear or else or no appointment.
You will get in but be prepared to do some driving “if you can”. If not, ask for closer if they have anything.
Good luck.

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Nature, Tue Apr 13 2021, 08:22PM

Seems people are less concerned about Covid, since so many are being vaccinated. It's just a matter of when you can get you vaccines and then 2 weeks after the last vaccine you are pretty much safe against infection,.
I had my second dose and was told all sorts of things about how sick the second dose can make you and how sore your arm will be.
My pharmacist told me the arm will be much sorer after the second dose. I admit the first dose my arm was quite sore but I got over it in a few days. I was expecting all sorts of things with the second dose, from illness within just a few hours to 24 hours afterwards for several days.
My arm was much less sore for two days. Part of the difference was I worked the arm and didn't baby it.
I expected to become ill and the only thing I felt was "very mild" chills for a few hours over night and the next day I was tired for most of the day and much better by evening.
Everyone is different. Whatever you do don't avoid your second dose. You can feel so much better about things, contact stress is relieved and you get to mingle with other vaccinated people.
Keep in mind you are stopping the spread so the country can get back to work. Those who refuse to be vaccinated will likely delay the opening of the economy. With so many hundreds of millions of people being vaccinated since December, so far we have had close to 5 months of results to learn about side effects.
You life is valuable. A day of not being at your peak of feeling great is well worth getting the country back to a more normal place and the economy into recovery mode.

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Jellylorum, Wed Apr 14 2021, 09:20AM

The reaction to these newer vaccines is typical for many vaccines. Tdap is known to cause a fever for a day or two, especially for toddlers when they get their 2nd and 3rd. Flu shots often have some arm soreness for a day or so, as does Tdap in adults.

If a fever, or soreness at the vaccine site occurs, it's to be expected. Plan to chill out for a day or two following, just in case. My nephew is glad he did that. He felt feverish after his second vaccine, but was fine by the third day.

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AudioGuy, Wed Apr 14 2021, 11:39AM




Uh, no. Not in this thread. You have to go to the political forum to disagree with the narrative,

At any rate... since so many folks are now vaccinated and by their own logic should be protected, it should just about be time for the masks to come off of anyone who doesn't want to wear one. Although I am certain the scared folks will continue to find a reason for arguing that masks should still be worn by everyone presently, and for the next 25 frickin' years to come...

Of course, I already stopped wearing masks in most locations a while back. I even had a mask-wearer congratulate me a couple days ago for not wearing a mask. Finding freedom again feels pretty liberating, really... especially after having been locked down against one's will. But still the feeling of having been violated still exists. Kind of like when someone gets released from prison after having been sentenced for something they didn't do.

As I indicated a while back, I'm about to start carrying the legal length of Damascus steel just in case someone tries to physically attack me over the issue...

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AudioGuy, Wed Apr 14 2021, 12:06PM

Huh. Just checked, and there are no state or county laws that I have found that would make it illegal to carry a double-edged damascus-steel blade of any length at all in a sheath hanging from a waist belt, in plain view....

But what a pain in the arse. Let's just hope that the mask requests go away, as they should have months ago. None of us should be forced to live this way.

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Nature, Wed Apr 14 2021, 03:19PM

NK negative comments belong in the political forum. This thread is for any kind of possibly helpful or positive information one might want to share without having to put up with bashing and badgering.

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Nature, Wed Apr 14 2021, 03:36PM

Audio. Your frustration is shared by most people.
Masks are meant to protect others.
People who will more likely spread the virus cannot be isolated and be the only ones told to wear masks so we are all subjected to having to wear them. Until we can get to a point of what is considered herd immunity or the majority of people have been vaccinated this is going to be the way it is. Even those who are vaccinated have a very narrow chance of having covid with little or no symptoms. They can pass it on to unvaccinated individuals. This is why they are asking us to still wear a mask, even though we are immunized, especially if we are around particularly vulnerable people who may not be vaccinated. Masks are meant to protect others. If people don’t get the vaccine the economy will take longer to recover because they continue to spread the virus when they refuse to wear masks. Those who wear masks want to help our country recover, so we do what makes sense.

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AudioGuy, Wed Apr 14 2021, 04:53PM

Not an argument, this is for discussion:



So it sounds like you are saying that everyone, whether vaccinated or not, spreads covid to others.

Seems to me that most people are either vaccinated or not vaccinated. Logical enough. Hard to argue with this concept, actually.

I am not sure all this sounds right, though. Most people being either vaccinated or not vaccinated? That sounds about right. What doesn't sound right to me is that people are forever going to be required to wear masks. Going by the logic you gave, that was the inference I got.

The problem then, must not lie with whether or not people are vaccinated or not vaccinated, but rather with those who have poor immune systems. (Either that, or the info given by the media and government is flawed/false/distorted/whatever... but let's not go into that here in this argument-free thread)

Are you indicating that everyone will be required to wear a mask forever? I'm not doing that. Were you thinking that there is an end to the masks at some point? With the logic you gave, it doesn't seem to me that there could possibly be an end at all. It's completely open-ended. Were you expecting the media and government was going to let up on this at some point? If so... well, now that would be funny right there if it wasn't so un-funny.

Look, the vaccines have been available for quite some time now, and I suggest that those who want to get them should hurry it up and get them. After that, whether the vaccine protects those folks or not, they are going to have to just live with the majority of folks who simply do not want to wear a mask the rest of their lives... or in fact, for very much longer. The day is coming when most people just won't be wearing them because a smaller number of folks are either frightened or have weakened immune systems (neither of which should be a mandatory responsibility of the larger party of society). I'd suggest that the frightened or those with weakened immune systems separate themselves from the rest of society so that they never, ever get sick (this is facetious of course, as it's not possible to never, ever get sick).

Now, I've already posted multiple times in the old thread (before this one), and a couple times in the political forum thread as to vaccine immunity certificates/passports and what they entail. Seems like some folks can't see when they are being manipulated by a media/government narrative for an end goal... so I'm asserting here and now that this is a huge part of it all. If you haven't read that info I have given, then please do so. You can search the posts I gave regarding Mastercard and others supporting ID2020, which also had write-ups (at pymnts.com, biometricupdate.com, and many others) regarding how the vaccine/immunity certificate/passport will be tied to people's personal info for purposes of financial transactions, employment, and travel. The light bulb really should come on at some point. If not, then I'd say that that far too much trust is being placed in government and big business (and their media machine that educates/manipulates the masses).

At any rate-- I won't be wearing the mask for the rest of my life, period. Nor will my family either, if I can help it. I am dead serious about the blade being strapped on my waist for self-protection against mask-Karens, as I've already heard about one non-wearer being physically threatened by a mask-advocate. And I mean dead serious. I just haven't made the decision as to exactly when I'll wear one yet. Hoping to not need to... hoping the mask fallacy goes away soon. The masks never were able to prevent the spread of a virus, anyway... not physically possible, and never was.

Also will never, ever, ever get any type of vaccine. Ever. Period. Very dead serious about that as well.

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MtMan, Wed Apr 14 2021, 05:29PM

So, you just said, if you took the vaccine, or not, one can spread the virus. Whether you took the vaccine or not, you still have to wear the mask. Therefore, no matter what, one must do what "they" tell us what to do, vaccine or not. Some people don't see the hypocrisy of this at all.

Get the vaccine, don't get the vaccine, but you will spread it either way. That makes no sense. Those that don't want to wear masks and get the vaccine, in some people's eyes, don't care to " help our country". Somehow, wearing face diapers, no matter how long, will be the right thing to do. That simply is not true. We don't want to be judged as "not caring". Really wish that those kind of statements would stop, please stop judging us. Some want to wear and vaccinate, some don't. Is it not our body, our choice? We believe that this virus, that was imported in by China, is an excuse to control a big part of our lives, a way to take certain freedoms away, so WE do what makes sense.

Economies of different states have varying degrees of recovery. This is due to their choice of the way they conduct the way they deal with the virus. It is obvious that the more open they are, the better their economy is bouncing back. It is also obvious that the differences between the state's policies have been a huge factor in economic recovery. It is also obvious which state's rules are working and which states rules are not. At least it is obvious to most.

I could say more on this subject but will respect the "argument free" aspect here. I invite all of you to join the conversation over in the Political forum and we can all learn about the political aspect of this subject. Bring your point of view and let's discuss. Be prepared to defend your views with facts and please respond to others when they ask you direct questions.

To the moderators: Does the above qualify for "argument free"? If it doesn't, please give me an explanation as to why. Thank you.



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CoyotePass, Wed Apr 14 2021, 06:33PM

Please take your conspiracies back to the political forum.

Does anyone know when sign up's start for the April 26th vaccination "event". I was too late to get a spot on the 16th. For a variety of reasons I can't travel down the hill so I needs to be here in Big Bear.

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Not Kidding, Wed Apr 14 2021, 06:40PM

It's not a conspiracy if it is true, people are dying from the vaccines, it's a fact.

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CoyotePass, Wed Apr 14 2021, 06:55PM

Never mind, it turns out there are a couple appointments still available at the Library for the 16th. I snagged one. Here is the link to sign up - [Click Here] Click on the link and it will take you to the sign up.

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AudioGuy, Wed Apr 14 2021, 06:57PM

Uh, uh, uh... no arguing, now....

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BootsNBridles, Wed Apr 14 2021, 07:26PM



Interesting. Are you an anti-vaxxer? Because all vaccines have side-affects that are sometimes serious. Including the ones most folks give their babies without a thought. J and J's fatality rate is 1 in a million. Let me repeat that ONE in a MILLION. That's 999,999 people who did just fine. Now granted, if you are the one, thats not comforting. But your chance of serious issues from Covid are much much higher than 1 in a million.

Now if you have different figures lets see a reliable sources cited, ok?

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Not Kidding, Wed Apr 14 2021, 08:42PM

So halting the J & J vaccine is overreach? Guess it's no big deal.

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CoyotePass, Wed Apr 14 2021, 08:52PM

Feeding the trolls is what they want. Ignore them and they'll go away.

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Squatch, Wed Apr 14 2021, 09:42PM

Despite the suppression of conflicting info on this topic in the press and otherwise, Covid remains a topic that BEGS real and open debate!

Given the latest events /decisions regarding the suspension of rushed to market vaccines, let`s hope that open sharing of REAL INFO eventually happens, for all of our sake!

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Nature, Wed Apr 14 2021, 10:37PM

Name calling is not welcome on this thread. I would only hope admin bans those who would try to stir things up or bring in politics or prejudices and conspiracies.
Take it to the political forum please.
Good on you Coyote.
Glad you got your appointment so quickly. You’ll feel so much better once you’ve gotten your second dose. Nice to hug your more distant loved ones again.
Boots, you know pulling the J and J is only to take a closer look and in doing so try to get more of those who are scared of the vaccine to understand how cautious they are trying to be. Everyone is different and a very few may have a negative reaction so I understand why some are nervous about getting the vaccine.
Seems vaccines got a bad rap regardless of what they were.
I’ve had every kind of vaccine I can think of and never had a bad reaction so this one was no different for me.
Anyone in the military goes through a barrage of vaccines but there doesn’t seem to be lots of them having terrible reactions. If someone has had a history of bad reactions to vaccines then it’s understandable and they shouldn’t take it but they need to protect themselves and others from Covid by being considerate and wearing a mask, washing their hands and distancing.
The fact is the majority of people simply don’t have negative reactions to the vaccines so the more vaccinated the better and sooner our economy can recover.

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Not Kidding, Thu Apr 15 2021, 12:00AM

Nature, just curious, are you referring to someone being called the name "sheep", or are you referring to someone being called the name "trolls"?

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99TJSahara, Thu Apr 15 2021, 07:07AM



Ok so you've outed yourself as being against all vaccines "Ever. Period." That's fine. Nobody is going to force you to do that. Fortunately you live in a society where COVID immunization will be common so you will eventually be relatively safe from this one. Society will take responsibility for protecting you and your family.

Also about the knife thing, you've now posted twice in a public forum about wielding a knife with the intent to use it to cause harm to anyone who confronts you about your mask usage. You've potentially upgraded your manslaughter charge to premeditated murder by your admission. "And I mean dead serious". I get it, we all get upset at times and in these times I can hardly blame you for feeling unsafe. Best wishes in confronting your feelings. Things will get better.


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MtMan, Thu Apr 15 2021, 07:09AM

Exactly. Please point out this " name calling" specifically. Waiting ...

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BillyJean, Thu Apr 15 2021, 11:32AM

To your point AudioGuy, and I assume you're relatively local? All, yes all restrictions in the state of CA will be lifted on June 15th, including the mask mandate. Providing things stay on course.

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BillyJean, Thu Apr 15 2021, 11:54AM

I stand corrected, the mask mandate will likely remain in effect.
Probably not for me.

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AudioGuy, Thu Apr 15 2021, 11:55AM




... it's been begging for discussion since it all began. And discussions were made. Info put forth. And people are so polarized on the issue, that there is a thread here, where anti-vaccine and ant-mask folks are not welcome and are considered trolls. And there is a thread in the political section of this forum where anti-vaccine and anti-mask sentiment runs stronger and where pro-mask/pro-vaccine folks generally don't visit.

ONE of the aforementioned threads openly discourages opposing viewpoints (indicated right in the title, if I understood it correctly). Hard to call that a fair discussion forum, but whatever.

Personally, I'd rather go where info is uncensored... and that goes for virtually all subjects that I think may affect the lives of me and my family.

Folks, we have a completely divided society now. This is going to get real fun in the coming months...

I'm going back to the other forum where nobody will tell me what I can or cannot say in regards to covid/masks/vaccines, and where anybody else can give their input whether I agree with it or not. I prefer freedom of speech over controlled narratives.

Anyone want to say 'hi' to me later, I might just be the maskless guy in the store with 6 or 7 inches of razor-sharp double-bladed Damascus steel in a sheath on my belt. Kind of joking here, but mostly... dead serious.

Pro-vaxxer's, hurry up and get your protection if that's what you want to do. I'll probably be wearing mine at some point. Then we can go about our business peacefully... some wearing masks forever, and some wearing whatever other protection that may be necessary for their safety.

Here's hoping we can all return to the day when NONE of this is deemed necessary. Wouldn't that be something?

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AudioGuy, Thu Apr 15 2021, 11:58AM



Bro-- I openly stated that I'd possibly use it to protect myself against anyone who attempted to physically assault me. That is not pre-meditated murder. If someone physically attacked me, I'd be in the right and would not be convicted. You really ought to know the laws regarding self-defense before you spout off like that.


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AudioGuy, Thu Apr 15 2021, 11:59AM




I think it could have been Coyote using the word 'trolls'?

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Airport Razz, Thu Apr 15 2021, 12:14PM

Have to be very careful with that term 'Self Defense'. Just spent last 4 yrs and $5k + getting assault with deadly weapon charges dropped from me leaving a parking lot after my car and myself being attacked by a moron in the AM/PM parking lot. Almost ended up doing a year in county because our lovely DA, DA department and PubDef dept has thier heads up in a dark moist place. I don't trust anything from this county anymore.

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AudioGuy, Thu Apr 15 2021, 12:19PM



Duly noted.

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RH_Runner, Thu Apr 15 2021, 01:15PM



In this county? In my mind; State!


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CoyotePass, Fri Apr 16 2021, 11:30AM

God bless the angels this morning. The people working the vaccination event have come from all over the country and they are angels. They've been on the road working to protect people and save lives at the expense of their own lives. THAT is what it's about. The process was flawless, everyone was professional and kind. They are what this country is really about, people stepping up and saving lives.

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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Apr 16 2021, 12:10PM

AstraZeneca and JJ vaccines have been suspended in some countries.

To me its hard to risk being a "lab rat" for a vaccine that protects you against a virus that requires a test to verify any infection and with a 99.6% survival rate.

That's just my 2 cents. Do whatever you feel is correct for you.

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AudioGuy, Fri Apr 16 2021, 12:29PM




99.6% survival rate for those who were either hospitalized, or had reported having "got it"?

If so, then the survival rate for covid would be higher than that. A whole lot of folks never went to the hospital, or reported having "had it".

Sounds like a load of hooey to me. But that's what many have said all along.

Yup, good luck to all regarding the decision they make on vaccines.

Regarding any other aspect surrounding this whole mess, just know that some folks are not going to forever continue living the way they've been asked to.

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Nature, Fri Apr 16 2021, 05:40PM

Over 200 million vaccines have been administered.
With those numbers, the fear of taking the vaccine should diminish. If anyone believes they will be traced then they should toss out their phones and stay off of social media because where you are, what you are doing and what you buy is already out there.
This virus is not finished killing people or making them permanently damaged because they are not protected. Cases are increasing once again.
Those who take the vaccine are doing the world s favor in slowing the spread with the goal of saving lives and of opening the economy. What happened to the people complaining about the economy but now refusing to help open it again and continuing to spread this virus. Perhaps taking into account they are putting their own loved ones and friends at risk hasn’t sunken into their reasoning.
I know it doesn’t do any good to try over and over again to help these people to see the light but officials and the medical profession keep trying.

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AudioGuy, Fri Apr 16 2021, 08:29PM



I assert then, that the fear of non-masked people should diminish. But I bet it won't... the fearful will probably continue to be afraid. Even if they have been vaccinated 15 times over, and are wearing quadruple masks behind 3 face shields, they'll still say that everybody has to wear a mask from here on out. Ridiculous.

If the vaccines are protecting the vaccinated, then there should be no need for continued mask requests.

If, however, the vaccines are not protecting the vaccinated, then I'd say that there is something very wrong with the mindset that everyone must be vaccinated so that we can all be protected (also a mindset held by the fearful).

As for the notion that the officials and the medical profession supposedly has all the answers, never causes harm to anyone, and therefore we all should listen to them and trust everything they say... um... that would be a rather assinine notion. They have proven to me to not be trustworthy, which is a big part of why I do not listen to them. I still have the effects of a vaccine injury from 40 years ago. I also have not needed to visit any doctor at all-- not even one time-- for the past 16 years since I started doing things completely different than they like to tell us. I also feel 25 years younger now, since I stopped doing things their way. That should speak volumes. You can trust them if you like, but I don't and won't.


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AudioGuy, Fri Apr 16 2021, 08:34PM



Are you inferring that unvaccinated people spread disease to others? That notion is patently false. More fear propaganda being pushed by the pharma companies, I suppose. Either that or more failed logic. Unvaccinated people do not have personal protection that a vaccine supposedly can offer, but that doesn't make them disease-spreaders any more than vaccinated folks.

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Not Kidding, Fri Apr 16 2021, 08:53PM

Yes Nature please stop the fear mongering!

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MtMan, Fri Apr 16 2021, 10:22PM

Which is it nature? You stated that people, whether vaccinated or not, will spread the virus, but those that vaccinate are doing the world a favor. Which is it? No sense at all.

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AudioGuy, Sat Apr 17 2021, 08:46AM

Listen-- I'm out on this thread. There is no way to discuss incompatible viewpoints without arguing. And that's all this is going to be.

This thread really should have been titled "Covid discussion for pro-mask/pro-vax folks only; anti-mask/anti-vax viewpoints not welcome".
For fairness, there then should have been a second thread right next to it, titled the exact opposite.

See ya.

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Not Kidding, Sat Apr 17 2021, 08:56AM

Now that is a splendid idea Audio

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RH_Runner, Sat Apr 17 2021, 11:43AM



Totally correct!


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BillyJean, Sat Apr 17 2021, 05:59PM


That is true, how can that be correct. They say get the vaccine to help stop the spread. But you can still spread it if you've had the vaccine, thus making it pointless. Not to mention all the complications possible with the vaccine down the road. You know, the ones they haven't discovered yet. It would be really sad if half the country came down with something terminal down the road caused by the vaccine.
There is no doubt there could be some long-term ill effects from an mRna vaccine that is literally in human trials.

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kjc, Sat Apr 17 2021, 06:54PM

Risky-Time will tell. [Click Here] If this is not allowed please remove.


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Nature, Sat Apr 17 2021, 07:19PM

Explanations for the vaccinated and the unvaccinated have been gone over as nauseam.
Please do some of the research I have done over this past year about the virus and the last 6 months about the vaccine. Learn how the vaccine protects you from becoming violently ill if you might be among those with a 5% possibility of catching it and why masking up, if in the presence of unprotected highly vulnerable people, would be the right thing to do. Unvaccinated people spreading the virus? What ever would give you that idea?
I’m tired of trying to help you people to understand the science so please research it yourselves if you are interested but I don’t think that will happen.
Fighting about this doesn’t belong on this thread. We are here, representing the majority, to help and support each other, not to push fear of doing what we feel is the right thing to do to get over the pandemic snd open the economy. I sincerely hope y’all don’t get the virus and if you do then be considerate of others as we will be of you.

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Not Kidding, Sat Apr 17 2021, 07:44PM

Nature, Rotflmao, you have been so "considerate" with us that you wish us to be BANNED FROM THE FORUM because we disagree with you. Yo u never answered which name you were referring to being called, was it sheep or trolls? Hilarious you are!

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cricket, Mon Apr 26 2021, 03:31PM

Below is a link to a short, informative video that explains in laymans terms, what a mRNA vaccine does, specifically the one we are all being innoculated with.

[Click Here]



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CoyotePass, Fri May 07 2021, 01:27PM

Got my second shot today. Woohoo.

The true irony to me I. This debate about the safety of the mRNA vaccine is that it is a safer type of vaccine than the old school. Grown on a cell culture vaccines. It contains mo secondary

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CoyotePass, Fri May 07 2021, 01:31PM

Ugh, as I was saying it contains no secondary toxic agents or live Infectious agents and is not grown on cell cultures that can cause anaflactic responses. It's less expensive ultimately to produce and exponentially safer, particularly for children. Science is a wonderful thing if you bother to try and understand it.

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AudioGuy, Fri May 07 2021, 09:03PM

[Click Here]

Wonderful.

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Nature, Fri May 07 2021, 11:48PM

Coyote,
i believe the MRNA vaccines are perfectly safe or we would likely know by now it there were any serious issues with them. Even the J and J vaccine has proven to be safe for all but a very minute number of people prone to blood clots and only one died. Out of an abundance of caution they took it off the market to test and investigate before allowing it o be administered to any further individuals who wanted it. Covid is shown to be something deadly and, if it doesn't kill you, It can make you so incredibly ill you may never completely recover. Double lung transplants, heart disease, brain damage, you name it, Covid can attack your vital organs long after you believe you have recovered, even if you had no symptoms. Watching Millions of people who have already taken the vaccines and nothing to speak of in reactions, more than a day of not feeling perfectly fine for some, it was my choice to move forward in taking both doses. My reaction to both was a sore arm with the first shot. Kind of tired with the second shot for a half of a day. The same for others among my family and friends and clients. It's far more worth not being on point for a day rather than getting the virus and who knows what horrible effects if can have down the line, including a possible medical bill you cannot afford to pay. Lucky, I'm insured but do I think my insurance would cover the entire costs of what this disease could cost, should you be in intensive care for who knows how long.
One thing I think you may have mistaken is live cells with the usual older inoculations, such as flu or measles etc. They don't use "live" disease cells.
As for the other conspiracy beliefs, that are completely false, if anyone is afraid of being tracked, they need to get rid of their phones and stay off the internet. Not only does your phone and internet, especially social media, track you, they tell your life history, and everything about you down to your preferences in just about everything.
Glad you are inoculated as it makes those of us who want the country to open again feel a little closer to seeing that happen.


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Not Kidding, Sat May 08 2021, 10:29AM

Nature said
As for the other conspiracy beliefs, that are completely false, if anyone is afraid of being tracked, they need to get rid of their phones and stay off the internet. Not only does your phone and internet, especially social media, track you, they tell your life history, and everything about you down to your preferences in just about everything.

THIS IS AN ARGUMENTATIVE POST, PLEASE DELETE IT ADMINISTRATORS AND BAN THIS POSTER FROM THE FORUM

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CoyotePass, Sat May 08 2021, 01:29PM

It's my understanding that some of the old school vaccines use weakened or "attuned" forms of virus to create an immune response, stuff like mumps measels and chicken pox. My bigger concern with old school vaccines is the presence of glyphosate. Granted it's in everything now to some degree. We're killing ourselves with that stuff for the sake of a few less weeds.

My arm hurt like hell last night, but it's fine now. That was it for the second shot. It beats the hell out of suffocating on a ventilator.

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Not Kidding, Sat May 08 2021, 03:27PM

Coyote there is glyphosate in the covid vaccines too

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wisteria1, Sat May 08 2021, 06:20PM



What is your source for that?

[Click Here]

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Not Kidding, Sun May 09 2021, 08:41AM

My bad, here is a source for ingredients of covid vaccines, there is polyethylene glycol (antifreeze) in them, below is another article about how bad it is to ingest it

[Click Here]

And yes there are fetal cells that have been harvested from aborted babies as well

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Hooky Bobber, Sun May 09 2021, 10:56AM

polyethylene glycol (antifreeze) that stuff is everything from Ice Cream to Candy

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Not Kidding, Sun May 09 2021, 11:13AM


True that, doesn't mean it is good for human consumption

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wisteria1, Sun May 09 2021, 12:50PM

Polyethylene glycol and ethylene glycol are two VERY different chemicals. Polyethylene glycol is the primary ingredient in Miralax (a common treatment for constipation). There is no antifreeze in the vaccine according to your link.

[Click Here]

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Not Kidding, Sun May 09 2021, 12:56PM

Feel free to poison yourself, still a free country for a little while longer

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Nature, Fri May 21 2021, 09:58PM



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ButlerPeakFire, Thu May 27 2021, 09:26AM

Food for thought.

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Cornbread, Thu Jun 03 2021, 05:57AM

I wonder what the pro-mask wearers will say now that their beloved Dr. Fauci is proven to be a liar.






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Squatch, Thu Jun 03 2021, 08:41AM

As USUAL, the SHEEP will spin this to fit their reality...or, ignore it all together!

Should get real interesting when the vaccine sheep start getting sick in a few months to a year!

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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jun 03 2021, 08:48AM

Eeek these Fauci emails are pretty bad....

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Squatch, Sat Jun 05 2021, 09:29AM

The TRUTH is FINALLY coming out about Covid, Fauci AND the OVER-HYPING and POLITICIZING of Covid that is still going on to this day!

I guess those of us who called for calm, common sense and reason weren`t conspiracy theorists after all!

Next up, the long term health issues associated with the vaccine....think it`s BS, stay tuned!

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MtMan, Sat Jun 05 2021, 03:53PM

And......nothing will happen to fauci...

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Squatch, Mon Jun 07 2021, 10:09AM



It`s looking like Fauci is going to get the boot, but yeah, he probably won`t be held accountable!`

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AudioGuy, Mon Jun 07 2021, 11:07AM

... unless that one video clip of 'Fauci' is indication of something already having happened... I'm referring to the clip that has the hyperreal skin mask on 'Fauci' flapping away down by his collar...

We shall see.

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AudioGuy, Mon Jun 07 2021, 11:07AM




Got any good links?

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MtMan, Mon Jun 07 2021, 03:41PM

[Click Here]

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Cornbread, Tue Jun 08 2021, 07:06AM

It's funny how this Argument free thread was for pro mask wearers but now that these emails have been released you can't argue the facts that us so-called conspiracy theorists have been saying all along.

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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Jun 08 2021, 07:54AM

tRuSt ThE sCiEnCe

tRuSt ThE gOvErNmEnT

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MtMan, Tue Jun 08 2021, 08:37AM

and....just like that, silence...

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Deb Doodah, Tue Jun 08 2021, 09:44AM

The only reason nobody is responding to you guys is that you are internet bullies and conspiracy believers. Everyone is tired of trying to explain and has just given up. It has nothing to do with not having an argument to what you believe are facts.



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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Jun 08 2021, 10:16AM



You wouldn't consider the 1000's of emails from Fauci facts?


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Not Kidding, Tue Jun 08 2021, 10:43AM



Cheese it, the cops are here, run!

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doo·hick·ey, Tue Jun 08 2021, 11:07AM




I claimed back in April 2020 or so, masks were here to stay. Rhetorically, it's been well over a year...

Take me literally.

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Tlingit, Tue Jun 08 2021, 11:32AM

I talked to a young man a few days ago that said "I'll keep wearing the mask even though it's deemed we no longer have to, for my peace of mind" Me: did you get the vaccination? Him: yes. Me: then why are you concerned? Him: I just want to be safe and not spread it. Me: then why the vaccine? him: I don't know, it's on the news that we should.....
Sheeple!!!!

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Squatch, Tue Jun 08 2021, 11:44AM

Too bad there isn`t a cure for over consumption of Coolaid!

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Airport Razz, Tue Jun 08 2021, 01:04PM

Yeah, but emails don't mean crap. Ask Hillary. personally I am just over all of it and tired of the rhetoric. Get a shot, don't get a shot, Wear a mask, don't wear it, shove it in a dark damp spot, just shut the frick up about it....................SMH Bottom line, EVERYONE of our politicians and scientists have let the American People down... in so many different ways. If not from handing us BS then from adding to the confusion and dispairity. I have no confidence in your rhetoric, or thiers, and understand fully that we are all pretty much on our own. As such don't need input from either side of the circus tent. Stop the bitching and get on with our lives............................PL EASE!!!!!!!

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doo·hick·ey, Tue Jun 08 2021, 01:19PM

right?

Politics have always been corrupt. Why this time, are they so fixated that now it is truth?
Reddit/YouTube/Facebook/etc banned them and now bitchute etc are their sources.

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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Jun 08 2021, 02:16PM



Why would anyone just accept that its OK that politics are corrupt? Seems like a glaring issue that needs to be corrected...

Also these emails were picked up by all the major news sources....all...of...them...

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Not Kidding, Tue Jun 08 2021, 02:28PM



Still a free country for awhile longer, feel free to NOT read anything that you "are over", some of us don't like to stay in our hidey holes and give a free pass to all of the lies and harm that is, and has, been done to all of us, what a strange concept, hoping for some accountability and truth, wouldn't that be refreshing for a change?!!!!!

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Squatch, Tue Jun 08 2021, 02:37PM



Maybe finding out all of the BS we`ve all been put through over the past year was based on lies and deception has something to do with it! On a global scale no less...

EVERYONE should be demanding the truth, kind of a big deal, don`t you think?

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doo·hick·ey, Tue Jun 08 2021, 02:56PM


Then actually do something about it.

How many times must I prove the rumors your team brings here is utter BS? Spreading memes of hate and of stupid sheeple isn't gaining believers, especially if it's content can be so easily debunked. Go back to Politics. Easy, voice there it's open.

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Not Kidding, Tue Jun 08 2021, 03:38PM

doohickey said: Then actually do something about it. How many times must I prove the rumors your team brings here is utter BS? Spreading memes of hate and of stupid sheeple isn't gaining believers, especially if it's content can be so easily debunked. Go back to Politics. Easy, voice there it's open.

Yeah, the truth that comes from mainstream media, New York lies, Snopes, youtube, google, facebook, twitter - give it up Doo, so sad that you believe the lies that you think are truths, to each his own, however I will always uphold anyone's right to state whatever it is that they believe whether I agree or not - that quality seems to be missing from you and others who just don't want to hear others' beliefs if they don't align with yours/their own - just censor those thoughts as if they don't exist - dangerous road we are going down, a slippery slope doesn't even begin to describe the very scary times we are likely going to endure going forward.
Even you, Doo, are smart enough to know not to take the vaccine - how do you explain that when you are being told daily by your trusted sources that you MUST GET VACCINE, TAKE THE JAB, guess maybe you don't trust those sources as much as you opine.


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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jun 09 2021, 05:58AM



Nah I think ill stay right here....


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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jun 09 2021, 05:58AM



Nah I think ill stay right here....


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Nature, Fri Jun 11 2021, 11:14AM

Nailed it Deb.

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Airport Razz, Tue Jun 15 2021, 02:13PM

First pilgrimage out into the new order of things. Something supposedly 'normal'. It's anything but that. First stop DIY. About 1/2 the customers masked up and all the employees. Per mandate I did not have a mask on me but one in the truck. So my new normal will be if the employees are wearing masks, out of respect for them I will do the same, even being vaccinated and not required to. Weirdness everywhere

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Nature, Tue Jun 15 2021, 04:33PM

Airport.
I too am vaccinated. I do exactly what you are doing ... out of respect.
The sad thing is people who are not vaccinated are saying they are. I personally know too many who are claiming to be vaccinated but refuse to get the vaccination/s.
Their reasons are fear, politics, buddy system, erratic and outlandish, suspicions. The very ones who were screaming about the economy are refusing to help open it for whatever reasons they choose. They aren’t facing the fact that they are now the only spreaders who are still killing 300 people each day. They call people names for doing the right thing to open our economy while they are the ones who actually fit all those names. The bulk of our US population understand what is needed to prevent the spread and gradually get things back to normal. Those who refuse to face the truth will be the loudest that it isn’t moving fast enough. They should blame their kind but the truth evades them.

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Not Kidding, Tue Jun 15 2021, 06:02PM

Nature why are you shaming those that don't agree with your assertions? Pot calling the kettle black if you ask me, move a long, BAA, BAA!

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MtMan, Tue Jun 15 2021, 09:24PM

Ah, the typical response, same talking points, no facts to back it up. Those that are not vaccinated are spreading it...meanwhile you, among others, will still wear the mask, yes, that makes sense. Where are the facts to back up your claim on that? Facts, not feelings. Never mind, just keep up your hate spew shame game against the rest of us cuz it makes you feel better. And yet some of you will still call our side the "cyber bullies"...

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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jun 16 2021, 07:06AM

Economy should never have been shut down in the first place....Look at Florida, Texas, Wisconsin, etc...ALL with lower numbers of infection/death and they have been wide open for months.

Fear is what drove you to get an experimental vaccine.

Your superiority complex is showing and your shaming will not push me to comply.

Like I have always said...do what you feel is right for you, but don't shame others when they do what is right for themselves as well. Two sides to every coin.

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BillyJean, Wed Jun 16 2021, 05:13PM

It's a human trial.... to each his own. Just scary what the long-term effects could be. Already a lot of infertility amongst minors and enlarged hearts, not to mention the blood clotting issue, etc. It's a dangerous game we's playin.... time will tell. Who's to say everyone who's had the vaccine doesn't just suddenly die a year from now. We just don't know, yet. With the J&J you're a little safer as it's a traditional vaccine, but toying with mrna to fool your immune system, kinda playin with fire.



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AudioGuy, Wed Jun 16 2021, 09:23PM

Wear one if you want. I'm done with them, except in very rare instances where I want to do biz with a place of biz and they are still being anal about masks.

I've mostly found alternatives for those types of places. Just a couple more to go.

I guess I'll still be seeing some people wearing masks next year though. Have fun,

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BillyJean, Fri Jun 18 2021, 11:36AM


Well I guess that goes out the window then, masks are no longer required. So thankfully they weren't here to stay.

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AudioGuy, Fri Jun 18 2021, 11:38PM

I dunno, I still have seen folks wearing them in public (various stores). I think they just want to. I hope they have fun.

But the thing that's a problem is that apparently employers can somehow require their employees to continue wearing masks, even if nobody else does, and perhaps even if it's not a requirement anywhere else. I guess that falls under 'employee code of conduct' or 'employee dress code' in the eyes of the employer. In my eyes it is just more employee abuse, if it's against the employee's will.

Think people still want to wear masks? Like the employees? Well, I just stayed with a friend at a large resort about a mile from home, and it was packed. There were two large swimming pools, a third aquatic attraction, and a big rec/game room. NOBODY wearing, masks... except the poor employees.
I could also talk for a while about all the other places I go to that people do not wear masks... but I won't go into that here. Point is, people really do not want to be wearing them and generally will not if they feel they can 'get away with it'. It's been like that for months now.

At any rate, someone mentioned wearing a mask out of courtesy or respect for the employees of a biz. I have some thought on that. On the surface, it does sound courteous. However, I don't think most employees even want to wear one. I think they are being forced to against their will, and to continue wearing one in public just reinforces their idiotic bosses' viewpoint that 'the public is afraid... therefore, we must require our employees to wear masks in order to not scare any customers away'. Employee abuse is not really something to continue contributing to.

If the mask thing wasn't all BS many months ago, it really is now. It just needs to stop. the best way to do that would be to just stop wearing one and to stop perpetuating it. And only you can take action on that. Nobody from the TV or the MSM news is going to tell you that you can not wear one. That would be against their agenda.


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Squatch, Sat Jun 19 2021, 09:06AM

I`m sure the usual suspects will drop in soon to shame you..lol

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AudioGuy, Sat Jun 19 2021, 01:21PM

I'll feel about zero shame for telling the truth.

I'm sure there'll be somebody who will claim (or indirectly infer) that unvax'd people are going to give covid to vax'd people, and therefore, 'masks are necessary'. Crazy.

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 19 2021, 05:11PM


Being rude to an admin gives you clout. I myself have been quoted 4-5 times. I take it I WAS taken literally. I did not say forever. But damn, if it lasted longer than your team predicted.

AudioGuy was pretty spot on, in his long post. Though, I believe it's more of a liability/safety corporation issue for employees to were masks, at this time, than an employee abuse case.
Usual suspects? The only usual suspects are the ones clogging up this thread.

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Polar 🌌rbit, Sat Jun 19 2021, 05:22PM

Tomorrow is the summer solstice. It's time to quit pissing at each other and go enjoy life in the mountains!

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 19 2021, 05:33PM


No doubt.


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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 20 2021, 02:16PM

Friend on mine from the UK, his band was the Wooden Tops.


His "Its not over". Really got to me.

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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 20 2021, 02:20PM

Rolo is kinda antivax to boot.

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AudioGuy, Sun Jun 20 2021, 04:49PM

I'd expect that the main reasons the owners or directors of any of these bigger businesses take the stances they do, would be:

--fear of loss of business license (fear of loss of money)
--fear of loss of customers (fear of loss of money)
--fear of a mass-walkout by scared employees (fear of loss of money)
--fear of a lawsuit of some sort (fear of loss of money)
--fear that employees could get sick and then they'd have to possibly pay out more on insurance (fear of loss of money), or they'd have to re-train (fear of loss of productivity and therefore fear of loss of money)

Whatever the owner or directors say, the managers must do in order to not lose their job. In other words... fear of loss of money. You get the idea.

Maybe, just maybe, they actually care about their employee's safety solely for the sake of the employee and for no other reason.... but I doubt that very much. I think if larger employers had that sort of concern, it would be more apparent across the board with things other than safety. I sure haven't seen it during my lifetime. But to be fair, I stopped working for a big corp employer 23 years ago and never worked for another one. Maybe I was just unlucky with my experiences at that place.

I still expect that first list above contains the reasons they would require employees to wear masks.

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Not Kidding, Sun Jun 20 2021, 05:50PM

Two mice walk into a bar, one mouse says to the other mouse "are you going to take the vaccine?", the other mouse says "I'm waiting for the results of the human trials before I decide" -HA HA, it's funny and true all at the same time!!!!

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Polar 🌌rbit, Sun Jun 20 2021, 06:40PM

Ha Ha...

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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 20 2021, 09:29PM



I saw the cartoon drawing too! Was in a paper.....





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Nature, Mon Jun 21 2021, 06:20PM

COVID Viruses have been studied by the Center for disease control for many years. The RNA vaccines have been studied for at least 30 years. About 65% of our population in the United States has been inoculated with a little to no side effects. The Covid virus has killed over 600,000 people just in the US. We have had it worse than other countries because it was ignored, out of fear of losing money, until it could no longer be ignored. 80% of the country’s elderly and most susceptible to death, have been inoculated. Those who have not are still among the ones dying at a rate of 300 per day. A very few young people have had temporary reactions that they get over quickly and they no longer have to fear the virus. They can attend the concerts and go to school with no restrictions placed on them to protect them because they are protected by the inoculations. Those who have not chosen to be protected are the ones at risk of going to the hospital for double lung transplants, or heart, kidney, all types of organ failure and some death. 300 per day. Flip a coin with your life. One side protect yourself the other side subject yourself to the above life altering complications. No symptoms makes you far more dangerous to others who may be more vulnerable. This was and is how this disease killed 600,000 people and counting. The others who lived, suffer with lingering effects of a change in smell, taste, feeling ill, headaches and far worse symptoms.
If you get your information from Facebook it is likely to be made up to look bad.
Those with the vaccine are working towards a solution while those who don’t are still part of the problem. So simple.
I don’t wish you any ill. Good luck to you. I thrive.

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MtMan, Mon Jun 21 2021, 06:55PM

Once again, all YOU do is attempt to shame those that don't agree with you. I really wish the admins would do something.... Some of us have attempted to have a factual conversation with you but you never respond with anything but your constant attempts of shaming. Please, just .......

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AudioGuy, Mon Jun 21 2021, 07:02PM



I have an immune system. I got sick last year, fought it off in 3 days. I thrive as well. Same went for the rest of my family, though one guy with COPD took a couple weeks I think it was. But all beat it just fine. That's what immune systems are for.

I do have concerns that
1) there are those who feel that unvax'd people are part of the problem (isn't that what you just indicated was your viewpoint?)
2) there are those who are working towards the 'solution' of mandatory vaccines

You're sure you mean me no ill? If so, then don't support mandatory vaccines. My family doesn't want any, and I will fight to the death over it...
Pro-vaxer's need to back off of the ideology of mandatory vaccines.

If you feel the need to boost your insufficient immune system, then go ahead and get the vax. I mean no ill toward you, either.
Although I kinda don't expect real good survival rates for the vax'd folks over the next 5-6 years. Maybe I'll be wrong.

But of course, the pro-vax side will say that the unvax'd are to blame for the deaths of the vax'd. Never will vax's be blamed. And the push for mandatory vax's for all will then be on...


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Not Kidding, Mon Jun 21 2021, 07:04PM

Nature, not sure where you get your info, however I am almost starting to feel sorry for you, bless your pointed little head!
FYI, I have never joined any social media platform except for this forum, dont't care to be surveilled 24 / 7 so you can be sure none of my information comes from Facebook, Google, or any other social media platforms.

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MtMan, Mon Jun 21 2021, 07:34PM

And......once again....there will be no response from nature to the specifics brought up, sit back and wait for others to accuse us of the cyber bullying.

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Cornbread, Tue Jun 22 2021, 06:10AM

I have a couple serious questions for Nature and the rest of the pro-vaxers.

1) If the vaccine is going to keep you from getting the coronavirus, why do you care if someone else didn't get the shot? Your safe right? If you see someone in another car not wearing their seatbelt do you yell out your window at them till they put it on?

2) It's my body my choice. If you support abortions than that makes you a hypocrite.

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EnglishMuffin, Thu Jun 24 2021, 09:49AM

Great points. The whole don't need to wear a mask if your vax'd but do if you aren't is a joke. If you're vax'd it really shouldn't matter to you, you're good to go! You can't catch it or carry it so you're covered, right??? If you can breathe through a mask the virus can get through the mask anyway, the only thing it prevents is you spitting on someone, so yeah, it's better than nothing, but in the end, is it? Live and let live. Take your hostilities out on the Chinese government for allowing this to happen in the first place.

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Cornbread, Thu Jun 24 2021, 10:16AM

I am not a Dr. but I have a feeling that once the mask wearers finally decide it's safe to go out in public without a mask, they will start getting sick because their immune system won't be strong enough to fight anything off.

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MtMan, Thu Jun 24 2021, 10:28AM

Some great points all have stated here lately. The chinese government should definetely be held responsible and made to pay for this wuhan flu. That they have thrown the world into turmoil is a major understatement.

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Squatch, Thu Jun 24 2021, 10:41AM

What really irks me, Fauci and others helped fund this s**t show with our tax payer dollars!

Hard to believe this is the same people/country that rose up to overcome so many challenges of the past, now all anyone cares about is their feelings, a free ride from the government and shaming anyone who disagrees with their point of view!

Very sad and troubling times we`re in....

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Nature, Thu Jun 24 2021, 02:53PM

Seems people who are defiant often show with their posts their main concern is themselves.
What’s it to you when people decide they want to cooperate with preventing the spread of this disease by social distancing and wearing a mask?
How does that make you mad? It isn’t mandatory. It isn’t hurting anyone. It is done be those who are considerate of others and want to help save lives and misery by ending the pandemic.
You talk about shaming and that is all you have done to others through this entire pandemic.
Calling people names and saying very negative things about them, on a personal level, when you hate what they say or they have a different point of view.
I’ve read your posts and they are generally filled with nasty remarks, name calling, inaccurate information just to ty to get people to lean your way.
On this thread, I have tried my best to stay pleasant, and tell the truth.
I base my information on facts from the CDC, John Hopkins U, Bloomberg and Global Health Now among other educational sites.
Your bashing people for wearing masks always sounds childish and petty.
What harm does it do to you if people still wear a mask?
I say if in almost every post, Masks are to prevent you from spreading the virus, not prevent you from getting it, unless you are wearing an N-95 mask.
There is no harm in wearing a mask but a great deal of harm in not wearing one if you are not vaccinated.
If you feel shame when I talk about unvaccinated people spreading this virus to others and possibly killing others because of it then that’s on you.
I’m stating facts.
Without getting vaccinated this virus will continue to do it’s best to survive and mutate to the point where it overcomes our attempts to eliminate it all together.
It appears you don’t’ want to take responsibility for your lack of caring about others. That is a personal observation from what you write.
You bash Fauci and China as though you think bashing them will take responsibility off of what you should be doing to help end this pandemic.
Distraction tactics.
Then innocent Americans who are of Asian descent get the brunt of these attitudes by being attacked by racist low lifes.
We all know who to thank for that one and the results of over 600,000 deaths in this country alone.
I noticed a comparison for seat belts in a post. Seat belts save lives. Our lives. Seat belts were attacked viciously when they became mandatory.
The difference is Seat belts only save one life at a time.
That is what they are meant to do. The rules for this pandemic are meant to save thousands of more lives not just yours.
It’s about caring for those close to you and not being part of the problem instead of trying to help with the solution.
You bitched and bitched and bitched when the country closed down. There was only one reason for that and it was because the virus was ignored for months so the only solution was to keep people away from each other the best way they knew how.
Since the results of the vaccinations have shown very few ill effects, now it’s wait until 4-5 years down the road for the bad things to happen. You can’t show terrible things happening to vaccinated people so you make statements that no one will follow up on.
I don’t spend a lot of time on this site because I work.
Getting ticked off because I don’t respond to all your attacks isn’t going to get me to check the site daily.
The only reason I post on this thread is because there are people who need to know they are supported for doing the right thing.
We are the majority of Americans. We want this to end and not affect others any longer.
I believe this whole negative attitude is tribal. Well, if you keep it up and you won’t have much of a tribe left at the end of all this.
Stay safe, Get vaccinated.
We want the economy to come back full force. Maybe you don’t. That wouldn’t surprise me either. It might make those trying to get us to vaccinate look good, when it works.


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Not Kidding, Thu Jun 24 2021, 04:49PM

Biggest LOAD OF CRAP ever written, but you are so, so, considerate and kind to everyone aren't you?!!!

quote1624578503=Nature]
Seems people who are defiant often show with their posts their main concern is themselves.
What’s it to you when people decide they want to cooperate with preventing the spread of this disease by social distancing and wearing a mask?
How does that make you mad? It isn’t mandatory. It isn’t hurting anyone. It is done be those who are considerate of others and want to help save lives and misery by ending the pandemic.
You talk about shaming and that is all you have done to others through this entire pandemic.
Calling people names and saying very negative things about them, on a personal level, when you hate what they say or they have a different point of view.
I’ve read your posts and they are generally filled with nasty remarks, name calling, inaccurate information just to ty to get people to lean your way.
On this thread, I have tried my best to stay pleasant, and tell the truth.
I base my information on facts from the CDC, John Hopkins U, Bloomberg and Global Health Now among other educational sites.
Your bashing people for wearing masks always sounds childish and petty.
What harm does it do to you if people still wear a mask?
I say if in almost every post, Masks are to prevent you from spreading the virus, not prevent you from getting it, unless you are wearing an N-95 mask.
There is no harm in wearing a mask but a great deal of harm in not wearing one if you are not vaccinated.
If you feel shame when I talk about unvaccinated people spreading this virus to others and possibly killing others because of it then that’s on you.
I’m stating facts.
Without getting vaccinated this virus will continue to do it’s best to survive and mutate to the point where it overcomes our attempts to eliminate it all together.
It appears you don’t’ want to take responsibility for your lack of caring about others. That is a personal observation from what you write.
You bash Fauci and China as though you think bashing them will take responsibility off of what you should be doing to help end this pandemic.
Distraction tactics.
Then innocent Americans who are of Asian descent get the brunt of these attitudes by being attacked by racist low lifes.
We all know who to thank for that one and the results of over 600,000 deaths in this country alone.
I noticed a comparison for seat belts in a post. Seat belts save lives. Our lives. Seat belts were attacked viciously when they became mandatory.
The difference is Seat belts only save one life at a time.
That is what they are meant to do. The rules for this pandemic are meant to save thousands of more lives not just yours.
It’s about caring for those close to you and not being part of the problem instead of trying to help with the solution.
You bitched and bitched and bitched when the country closed down. There was only one reason for that and it was because the virus was ignored for months so the only solution was to keep people away from each other the best way they knew how.
Since the results of the vaccinations have shown very few ill effects, now it’s wait until 4-5 years down the road for the bad things to happen. You can’t show terrible things happening to vaccinated people so you make statements that no one will follow up on.
I don’t spend a lot of time on this site because I work.
Getting ticked off because I don’t respond to all your attacks isn’t going to get me to check the site daily.
The only reason I post on this thread is because there are people who need to know they are supported for doing the right thing.
We are the majority of Americans. We want this to end and not affect others any longer.
I believe this whole negative attitude is tribal. Well, if you keep it up and you won’t have much of a tribe left at the end of all this.
Stay safe, Get vaccinated.
We want the economy to come back full force. Maybe you don’t. That wouldn’t surprise me either. It might make those trying to get us to vaccinate look good, when it works.

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Squatch, Thu Jun 24 2021, 05:29PM

Nature, THANK YOU for making my/our point, SHAME ATTEMPT DENIED!

Some of us had covid very early on, therefore we won`t be adding the vaccine on top of our natural antibodies as the vaccine sends your immune system into hyper-drive! It`s a fact despite the denial by some pro-vaccine figureheads, it`s been confirmed by other non-political doctors and scientists..FACT

Most of us wore a mask during the hype despite the science saying non N-95 masks were ineffective, as usual your/others attempt to demonize those who tried to point out glaring discrepancies and hypocrisies.

Every day we are finding out more and more damming information regarding how we have all been duped on Covid, the lock downs, voting, insurrection, racism, anti-police/violence and so many other issues.

You are correct, time will tell, rather, THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL! buckle -up!

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MtMan, Thu Jun 24 2021, 06:01PM

And..... now...... the race card was thrown in after all of that shaming. Good one. Oh, and then you slyly put a political jab on President Trump in your rant. Another good one. I'm not going into that one.
WHY? Because this isn't the political forum. Will YOU get a free pass on that? We will see.

Nobody, absolutely nobody, is telling you to wear or not wear a mask. We aren't telling you to get vaccinated or not and if you don't it means you don't care, bla bla. And you still attempt to shame us, for not believing in your way of handling this Wuhan flu. You simply, once again, exposed yourself with your rant, but I think you don't even realize that. You brought up many different subjects that have nothing to do with this topic. Diversions tactics? Re read all of your posts within and you should see your shame attempts. Didn't work, just pointing them out to you, nothing personal, just the harsh facts.



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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jun 24 2021, 06:17PM


What I did like about Nature's long post, was the responding analogy of seatbelts and his subtle defensive skills. Maybe I'm not the best guy to have on your side but, I am a fact-checker at times, for ridiculous bitchute/rumor linking that goes on.

What I didn't/don't like about your post (and your team-steam's onslaught of rebuttals), is your personal attacks unrelated to the topic, name calling, failing to state valid facts, let alone the misquoting of a quote (easy lack of 'preview' mistake, but YOU just had to quote that huh?), the use of bad words, changing the subject & not actually addressing one's post.

Dissect his post appropriately.

I have not yet been vax'd either. Sure the 600,000 whom have died, may be a bit lower than reported, but to think this is a faux pandemic is fueled by "Q". In January, while still in office, the previous potus and first lady were vax'd and was kept a secret for quite a spell.

I just wish other members here would be so vocal.

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MtMan, Thu Jun 24 2021, 06:40PM

I believe some of us have responded to her past posts and not received a point by point rebuttal (dissection) by her. This should be obvious to all. I welcome anyone to go ahead, respond to every "point" she made and see if it's worth it. History proves that is futile.

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NShore.Allen, Thu Jun 24 2021, 06:56PM

Here is the CAL-OSHA approved signage for businesses





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Not Kidding, Thu Jun 24 2021, 06:57PM

Doo, when have I ever quoted, or even referenced Q? You can't answer that because I never have and never will. You that choose to believe the hype and the mainstream media might do well to investigate (not on google or facebook or mainstream media) what is happening on the other side of that rainbow you all give creedence to. And please review Nature's (who is a woman) posts so that you can realize who is really doing the name calling and shaming of others, the hypocrisy is EARTH SHATTERING, believe what you want, it's your right just as much as it is mine!

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jun 24 2021, 07:08PM




So you figure you've had the COVID early on, already, built up your immune system. Have you been tested for antibodies? Or basing your stance on 'feelings'?

A few here have stated having the 'two-week flu', myself included.
Is that your free pass to redemption?
I have not been tested for antibodies. I feel great, besides the sniffles a few times since this all had started. Have the seasonal 'flu' numbers digressed for this year?

Prove your antibodies.

Perhaps there should be a blind taste test poll, created by a non regular poster on this subject. RC cola, Tab, Coke and Pepsi. All vs each other, then the 7154 members here at SCM can silently vote.
Should we strike opinions had on this subject of COVID-1

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MtMan, Thu Jun 24 2021, 07:19PM

When I drink cola, I prefer Coke. Just saying...

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Not Kidding, Thu Jun 24 2021, 07:23PM

Doo, where is your free pass to redemption, please advise?

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jun 24 2021, 07:43PM

An admin here revoked their admin status this year, due to being able to post freely on this subject.

Poll up users, doo we need to hear more diatribes of this topic, and how we are all sheeple? That we are uneducated in the realms of coherency?
I'm far from a sheepleton.

Simple pimple,
Not Kidding, you and yours' ideology has totally been a past participle of 'Q'. But to never claim it.

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jun 24 2021, 07:44PM

...carry on.

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jun 24 2021, 07:45PM

Diet Coke is my vice.

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MtMan, Thu Jun 24 2021, 07:51PM

I believe I know what admin you are referring g to, but whatever. Can't do the diet drink but I rarely drink soda, Coors for me.

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Squatch, Thu Jun 24 2021, 08:29PM



Doo, yes, I have confirmed antibodies for covid, not that I have to answer to you or anyone else, you know where this will end, it`s up to you , if you want to go down this road buckle-up, it`s going to be a bumpy ride!

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MtMan, Thu Jun 24 2021, 08:46PM

Getting the popcorn.. with butter..

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Airport Razz, Thu Jun 24 2021, 09:29PM

🎊PEPSI🎊. How about a middle of the road approach. I had something nasty a couple years ago that took a number of people out for 8-12 weeks, spit you out the other side 30lbs lighter and a questionable recovery. Haven't been that severely sick since my 30s. Other than chronic sinus infection haven't been sick since. That 12 weeks of not being able to function as a human being scared me a tad, at that "age" I'm told. So here come Covid. Every one and thier brother the politician and sister the scientist had different takes on all the theories. The vaccines are 'experimental' so sure I didn't want to participate. As things progressed, all I really knew is if I came down with it I was looking at a repeat of 12 weeks hell or possibly worse. Career puts me in very risky and potentially hazardous situations plus having 2 'high-risk' 60+ ers at home. Knew I needed to do something proactive. Again, not a fan of medical, political, now the scientists but what else do I have to hope towards. Seeing as have been through every possible vaccination available since the mid 50s and some for places in the world that are just crap holes, what would I be losing. As it is I'm sure myself and the kids I grew up with on base were exposed to something 'unknown'. I'm just lucky so far to be on the good side of the statistics. So, got the shots as soon as was eligible. Interesting that I was no longer considered 'essential' 🤔. Still wasn't sure a good thing but now I enjoy a certain perceived 'freedom' of no mask. Feels great, until I walk into the bank. Last place I go that still requires for the employees. So out of respect, misplaced loyalty, or 'brothers in arms', I choose to still wear a mask. No big and as soon as the tellers can stop wearing theirs in the bank I will do the same. Just want to go back to work, enjoy what little time I spend out and about and let things be once again. No mask and not vaccinated? All I ask is common sense and courtesy during any cold and flu season. I think most of us are capable of that??? Wrong or right, That's where I am....

PEPSI

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 01:05AM


For...
1) No. None of you would every claim Q. It's your ideology I stated.
2) When have I ever quoted google or facebook?
Oh, once when a close friend antivax guy from the UK, posted an opinion of the Delta variant, that struck 'his' own close friends? That somehow "struck me".
3) I'm not a soda partaker, tea is my go to, lemon, maybe the Arnold Palmer masterpiece, not sweat tea, but yeah, diet coke is what she buys and I get my grubby hands on it, if it's there.
4) If the NY Times, Washington Post, NPR and the like are out of realm, why does bitchute get to stay?
5) SQUATCH, haven't you all ready gone there before?
"you know where this will end, it`s up to you , if you want to go down this road buckle-up, it`s going to be a bumpy ride!"

Ahhh, bring it, what your team thinks has been said already.
Have you been holding back?

But stay on topic. Outwit this silent crowd. Without discrediting said party, by way of being eccentric or an odd fellow.

Seriously, I need to buckle-up?

I said carry on,
you all cannot just wait for your dominance moment.

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 01:08AM

Great story Razz.
No, I'm not going to quote it.

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 01:19AM

sweat tea, because all the sugar in sweet tea makes me, well, sweat.

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 01:50AM



But you freely did answer to me and all here. Why?

Are we all to take you on your honor? I believe you.
Will this be some one man show attack that I must 'buckle up for'? Or are you soon to reveal some unsaid 'On Topic' unknown knowledge that we all be blown away by?

This thread has gone to hell, long before I've piped in. Other's have voiced it.

carry on, or not.

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Not Kidding, Fri Jun 25 2021, 08:14AM

Doo and Nature, please stop assuming that you know anything about me and my beliefs, actions, and thoughts - note that I said "please".

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 09:29AM


Have you previously shared these confirmed antibody results? Will a search of your username of this site show the time you did share this info? If this is the first mentioning you had of the test, wouldn't it be beneficial to your antivax points and give influential data? When was this test taken? Was the accuracy rating still at 50% margin of error? Where was it taken? This is good stuff, I would like to have the antibody test myself.


But you have readily shared, in great detail, your beliefs, actions and thoughts here. What is there to assume?

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 09:33AM

Do your confirmed antibodies protect you from present and future variants?

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AudioGuy, Fri Jun 25 2021, 12:04PM

It has become another push for mandatory vax, plain and simple. The pharma co's and government have done a pretty good job of convincing a lot of people that their immune system does not work to protect them and that they must have a vax to stay healthy or even alive. And they also are apparently doing a pretty good job of convincing many those same people that the un-vax'd are going to infect the vax'd folks. The real danger here is the propaganda of the pharma co's and the gov't. What's next? The arrest and execution of people who believe in natural immunity? That's what Revelations talks about...

Again, regarding the push for mandatory vax... this has more to do with 'immunity passports', such as ID2020, etc. and the tying in of personal ID and info to

[Click Here] (see the info on the Good Health Pass Collaborative)
[Click Here]
[Click Here] "ID2020 and partners launch program to provide digital ID with vaccines"
[Click Here] "With the opportunity for immunization to serve as a platform for digital identity..."
[Click Here] "Mastercard Joins ID2020 Alliance"
[Click Here]
DIRECT QUOTE:
"Who we are, where we’re headed and what this all looks like on the “other side” of the pandemic are topics on everyone’s mind right now.
So are vaccines.
So is online shopping, with urgency.
All of these subjects share a commonality: IDs. In commerce, knowing (and verifying) who’s on the other side of a transaction can mean the difference between a retailer making a sale to a loyal customer or a fraudster. For the government, IDs can be a way to make sure individuals get the services they need, such as medical care and vaccines.
We’re barely a quarter into 2020, and already it feels as if several lifetimes have been packed into just under three months. The COVID-19 pandemic has brought home the realities of a sea change in commerce and in healthcare, and in the digitization of, well, everything.
The gateway to all of this digitization running smoothly is, of course verification. And verification can come only on the heels of having the right documentation, attributes and offerings in place that can be verified with speed and security through the use of advanced technologies.
There are, of course, a number of approaches in triangulating IDs and authentication, using mobile devices, using unique biometric identifiers, even using digital documents.
Regulatory initiatives such as strong customer authentication (SCA) mandate offering up something an individual knows, says and has, in order to establish identity.
In a recent interview with Karen Webster, Boku CEO Jon Prideaux pointed to the fact that “in the age of mobile, there is no instant signifier of identity the way an email address was in the PC era.” Phone companies have a place in establishing IDs, as they have access to customer account data, along with the ability to verify the phones, and numbers, themselves.
Separately, Philipp Pointner, chief product officer at Jumio, predicted there will be a shift from paper and plastic documents toward digital ID verification. In discussing digital IDs with Webster, he said that there could be a tailwind created through the global consortium of passport-issuing agencies.

“If they develop a funnel for digital passports, that will automatically ‘trickle down’ and be adopted by all of the different countries,” Pointner said of those agencies. Digital passports can eventually be part of digital “identity wallets.”

Far-flung nationwide efforts are underway in Australia and Canada, for example, and the European Union has a framework in place for its member nations through regulation known as eIDAS.
A computerized version of identity may gain special urgency as COVID-19 continues to threaten public health. Tracking vaccines certainly will be important in ending pandemics, now and in the future. That’s part of the ID2020 Alliance, which launched late last year, and which has joint efforts in place with the government of Bangladesh and the vaccine alliance Gavi, among others.
In an announcement upon the launch, ID2020 Executive Director Dakota Gruener said, “Digital ID is being defined and implemented today, and we recognize the importance of swift action to close the identity gap.” As noted in this space, immunization is serving as a platform for digital IDs, tied to birth registration and vaccinations to provide newborns with biometrically-underpinned digital identity.
Gavi, for its part, said at the time of the ID2020 launch that 89 percent of children and adolescents who do not have identification live where that organization is active — indicating that public health may be the springboard to giving people, at birth, the records they need later in life to participate fully in the global economy."
END QUOTE

Now, take a look at the Bible scriptures written about the Mark of the Beast in Revelations and compare to the above info:
Rev 13:16-17
Rev 14:9-11
[Click Here] (more to read about the Mark of the Beast, make sure to click on the "read more" links and read everything stated about it)

Conspiracy theory? Maybe. I don't plan on getting any new vax with nanotech or ID markers based on the above info alone. Add to that the additional facts that :
--I wish to avoid any possibility of vax injuries (I still bear the marks of vax injury 40 years after a vax)
--I don't like the idea of advanced technologies being inserted into my body (they never tell you about that stuff when administering a vax, but these things are openly discussed among pharma, tech, and banking companies, and government)
--I'm not OK with the use of aborted fetal cells in vax's, whether as ingredients or as something used to develop a vax (info is out there on this subject)
--the government even tries to bribe you to get a vax (really?)

...and I'm just not down with it. Very much untrustworthy, in my opinion.

If you agree wholeheartedly with what pharma/tech/government is doing and you want to get one to protect you, and you decide to get one anyway, then you should be protected from Covid by your logic. If you don't think you are protected by a vax, then why would you get one in the first place?

But for the love of Pete, back off the idea that everyone must be vax'd whether they want it or not. That's unacceptable.

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 12:26PM

I think you got the record for the longest post.
Please don't quote it members.
Concise it wasn't, good read!
I'm the middle of the road guy, I have never staked claim to mandatory vaccinations.
Address if you would, susceptibility of present & future variants & antibody testing.

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Squatch, Fri Jun 25 2021, 02:58PM

Doo, why you have no credibility...for starters, let me direct you and others to chat box pg 7, 8:25pm thru pg 6, 3:52am
enough said!

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Jellylorum, Fri Jun 25 2021, 05:31PM

Squatch - the posts you cite seem to be about using DuckDuckGo as a means to find additional sources of info. I'm not seeing those sources there on DuckDuckGo. I see CDC, CNN, WHO, FDA, Covid19.ca.gov, etc. Those are the same sources as those cited on other search engines.

Or is their some other topic I am supposed to parse from those pages?

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 06:13PM

So what did we learn?
Name calling, then subject changing and character discrediting.
Without one reference to the antibody testing questions. Sounds like a huge distraction dodge and you are really not here to help nor elaborate, unless it's on your agenda.


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Squatch, Fri Jun 25 2021, 07:02PM

Jelly, no mention of duckduck what ever it is in any of my posts, I think you`re referring to someone else!

Sometimes personal or real life/1st hand experience (actually going through it) is a much better source of info than what the media provides. In my case I have both covid and hodgkins lymphoma real life experience, hence I have an inside take on what`s real and what`s bs! I also have friends in the heath care profession who have confirmed (from the beginning) that the numbers on covid deaths, etc, are not even close to being accurate!
Everyday revised covid death numbers are being released which back this up.

Doo, you are an interesting lot, you take the so called "other side`s position" on most things, yet you openly refuse to take the vaccine! This is called HYPOCRISY!
Your endless diatribes in the chat box reek of instability, (I can provide several specific examples if you like) therefore it`s hard to take you seriously!

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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 25 2021, 07:45PM

So you will not speak of your confirmed antibodies test? Why not? You said you had it done. I would like to get it.
Where? When? Do they cover present and future variants?

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Jellylorum, Fri Jun 25 2021, 08:53PM

Squatch - neither you nor doo have any posts on page 6 or page 7 of this topic. To what postings are you referring?

The general chat box page numbers are fluid, changing constantly; today's page 6 may be tomorrow's page 9. If the postings you mention are there, is there a date and time to which you refer, instead of page numbers?

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Squatch, Fri Jun 25 2021, 10:10PM

Jelly, Doo`s posts in the chat box were on the pages I referred to at the time of my post, if you use the time/dates you can figure it out, reference was specific to doo`s posts in the chat box, not this thread.
Reference was to establish credibility, or lack of...

Doo, if you give blood you will get your own info, I don`t owe you or anyone else my private medical records, nice try!

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 26 2021, 10:06AM

di·a·tribe
/ˈdīəˌtrīb/
noun
a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something.

When do my chatbox weirdo posts consist of that? No, I will not correct every misused word here, just that one.

I wouldn't even claim them as rants.

You and your team have flooded this thread with rumors and beliefs from crazy sources, vaccination with magnets was the last I recall. Who defends truth?
You and your paranoid crew have been asked by multiple users to take these topics back to your hidden from the public, Politics section and the last main COVID thread. Hundreds of pages gone, from your conspiracy crew. You defend your freedom of speech (where's mine?) by name calling, sheeple has got to be towards the top of insults and to derail a subject matter question at hand, more unrelated criticism to discredit your opposer.
I never requested your personal medical records, I asked for your experience. Not that you are in the COVID thread and all.

Sounds like your attack on my instability was a ploy only to chasten me into retreat.

Are you and your team, the defenders of truth?
OK.
You do not want to add constructive information, fine.
Your truth as you take it, should be in the hidden topics.
Not here.

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elke ortiz, Sat Jun 26 2021, 01:12PM

Ooopsies! There was your first mistake!




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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 26 2021, 01:59PM

OH, you've WON with that statement.
Good job, second time poster.
newb

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 26 2021, 02:04PM

You're not even in the club yet.
What was even your first post?

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 26 2021, 02:18PM

Carry on.

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 26 2021, 02:21PM

Hurry, pull up some clever meme.

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Jellylorum, Sat Jun 26 2021, 05:15PM

DuckDuckGo supposedly lists alternate info. Some examples might be helpful. Could someone list a couple? Perhaps someone sees something there I do not see. I see no difference; the sources listed there are the same that I see listed on other search engines. That discussion was on pages 6 and 7 of this thread.

I looked in the main chat box on pages 6 and 7. The only references to Covid was a statement that many businesses are still requiring masks, and likely will until August or later.

Is there something on either thread relevant to this thread/topic? Is so, please point them out.


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AudioGuy, Sat Jun 26 2021, 05:34PM



Sure. This has been my understanding, my whole life:
The body's natural immune system is a rather amazing thing (or should be, if you take care of yourself). It recognizes new threats and then goes to work (or should, anyway) to create the proper antibodies. Somewhere in there, markers are also created so that the antibodies can be created quicker the next time that bug is encountered.... at least for an identical bug. Not sure if it helps speed up production for antibodies to fight a new variant, but I'd guess probably at least somewhat. Shouldn't matter, though--- our immune system should create new antibodies for each new bug it encounters.

You'll have to forgive the brevity of my response, I'm kind of a bottom-line kinda guy.

Now, IF the friggen' depopulationists in this world decide to lab-engineer a bug that defeats immune systems, well, I'd guess all bets could potentially be off. However, in an event like that, I'd still rather trust God and my immune system rather than trust an evil bunch who, likely, would have engineered and patented a vax along with their superbug.
That's if that sort of thing goes on (wouldn't really surprise me, with all the depopulation talk and with what I have learned about the patenting of lifeforms, vax's, and other stuff). Hypothetical, of course...


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AudioGuy, Sat Jun 26 2021, 05:42PM



I presume so. I've had a good track record (51 years and counting).

Confirmed antibodies? No, I don't trust any of these companies enough to ever even think about going in for testing.

Again, I'm a bottom-line kind of guy. I got sick last year, beat it in 3 days, and I was back in the saddle again. I wore a mask for 2 weeks after that to reduce chances of transmission to the next guy (not that I feel that masks do anything anyway).
To me, aside from the mask thing, it wasn't really different than any other illness I ever had and beat. I presume the next one will be about the same, barring any possibility of a bug lab-engineered to defeat the immune system.
Should I wring my hands and worry about such a thing? Hardly seems productive.
Should I get vax'd continuously? Hardly seems like a healthy thing to do.


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AudioGuy, Sat Jun 26 2021, 05:42PM

FWIW, doo-hicky... not trying to argue. Just trying to discuss using some logic. No worries.

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AudioGuy, Sat Jun 26 2021, 05:47PM



Did stuff get deleted from the original covid thread?

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 26 2021, 05:56PM


You, Audioguy, have not openly attacked me much.


There's 8 of them now


Team Steam needs more du-hooky?

Late night, I could speak of snakes
tractors, scorpions, mice, Amazon Prime.
Vegatables, lumber, sometimes Moths, BBQ'n, propane deliveries, roofs, trail views, flags and knuckleheads' doing doughnuts out on Baldwin Lake.
Now I should crawl into some hole?

Somehow that makes me a freak. So be it.

The freak show that has been going on in politics and the ole covid thread, is much more of an atrosoty than I could ever conjure up.

I'll be damned if Your 'buckle up', will shun me.
SQUATCH, big old airbag,
I wore my seatbelt and that's what you came up with?
chatbox?

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 26 2021, 06:09PM

The airbag felt fresh. Saved me of a catastrophe.

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jun 26 2021, 06:11PM

Born in 1969, Sept. myself. AudioGuy, you make so much more sense of it all, without so much as an attack.

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Not Kidding, Sun Jun 27 2021, 04:34PM

Well as many of my alternative news sites are pointing out, ultimately nothing good will be coming out of this covid madness. That said, there is really no further sense in trying to warn, or attempt to inform those that have fully bought in to the whole insanity and the harm that is coming - time to work on saving ourselves now. I surely hope that none of what is predicted will come to pass, however based on the last year and a half, it looks more than ominous and likely never to end - welcome to your future, you will be happier than ever and will own nothing - Agenda 2030, look it up. Good luck to all!

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Airport Razz, Tue Jun 29 2021, 09:21AM

Interesting to hear on the news this morning and LA county is once again recommending (requiring??) masks on everyone again. Hmmmmmmm

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Airport Razz, Tue Jun 29 2021, 09:25AM




Well, life shouldn't be too different on my door step. After 40 years pursuing the American Dream I still have a big whopping heap of nothing. Some worn out real estate, some worn out trucks, so basically life will just continue on in it's never ending struggle to get to the next day. Not sure if releaved with this realization or appalled. maybe both, WTH.

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AudioGuy, Sat Jul 10 2021, 04:53PM

Worth noting:
[Click Here]

I would not be surprised if the video doesn't get pulled.

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Not Kidding, Sat Jul 10 2021, 05:08PM

Audio, watched that last week, like I said earlier, even when the information is straight from the horses' mouths (i.e. one of the inventors of the MRNA vaccine himself), those that want to continue with the fear mongering and shaming can't see the forest through the trees, sadly right up to the end, and perhaps even to their own demise. Getting too late to wake up now!

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AudioGuy, Sat Jul 10 2021, 06:34PM

I think possibly too late for those who got this jab. But maybe not. Maybe something bigger will happen with the next one, if there even is a next one.

Hopefully not, and hopefully all will be well with society. I'm just not betting on it. It's all-around too funky.

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Not Kidding, Sun Jul 11 2021, 08:06AM

From a tweet I read (funny not funny!):

Jenna Ellis
@JennaEllisEsq

We went from 15 days to slow the spread, to Biden’s gestapo knocking door-to-door to see your papers.

Who did Nazi that one coming?
🥸
10:28 PM · Jul 9, 2021


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AudioGuy, Tue Jul 13 2021, 10:42AM

Not me, actually. I see Biden as an actor putting on a show while other things are afoot. This isn't really the thread for that subject though... but, a POTUS knocking door-to-door and asking about vax papers? That is obviously for optics and nothing more.

Actor or not, optics or not, I would have told that film crew to get lost....

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AudioGuy, Tue Jul 13 2021, 02:40PM

Here's a fun one.
[Click Here]

You don't think kids are deliberately targeted for indoctrination on this stuff? I'd suggest turning the TV off and finding other activities for your children.

It is definitely almost time. I think it could be as long as a few years away yet, but probably not too many from the looks of things all over the world... as well as the stated agendas of the ruling class... There are all sorts of observable things happening all at once, like never before.

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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 14 2021, 08:40AM



Your context interpretation of that clip was backwards. Smart Mark is an EVIL mind control device and was installed by the VILLAINS. People become zombies upon getting the mark. This cartoon isn't NORMALIZING the Mark of the Beast/spreading propaganda to the children, it's AGAINST it.

Still, educational tv is much better but yeah, other activities for kids is great.

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AudioGuy, Wed Jul 14 2021, 11:33AM

I confess I didn't see that whole cartoon to see the overt message. I still suspect subliminal messaging to condition the mind, though.
However, I am also very, very used to discovering occultic/satanic/illuminati symbolism and messaging in cartoons. I've seen a lot of that sort of thing exposed in recent years. But it's been there all along. Right this second I am thinking of a cartoon (pretty sure an old disney one) that has a very prominent thelema symbol (as per Aleister Crowley). There is just a huge amount of occultic symbolism in a wide variety that they've deliberately been putting into all sorts kid shows for many decades.
Add to that the predictive programming (another subject for research) that's been put into movies/cartoons for a long time now, and you'll understand my suspicion.

Anyway-- getting back to the topic of the vaccine. With all that's been mentioned of the graphene oxide nanotechnology that's in it, the magnetic properties, the luciferase bioluminescent marking, and all the talk about ID2020 (not from me, but by companies like Mastercard and by websites such as pymnts.com and biometricupdate.com)--- compared to the warnings given in Revelation about the mark of the beast.... I expect that it's almost here. Not certain about this first jab, I kinda expect it'll either be with a 2nd or 3rd or 4th, or it will come soon enough with another 'pandemic' and 'vaccine'.

Not liking the feeling that they'll be attempting to force it against my will the next time...

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AudioGuy, Wed Jul 14 2021, 11:40AM

Regarding the blockchain-enabled immunity certificates/passports, this is worth a read:
[Click Here]

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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 14 2021, 03:34PM

I've never disavowed Agenda 21:
"The full text of Agenda 21 was made public at the UN Conference on Environment and Development (Earth Summit), held in Rio de Janeiro on 13 June 1992, where 178 governments voted to adopt the program."
nor even the ID2020 carpfest.
Heck are those FEMA Trains at the Cushenbury (Mitsubishi plant)?

I wouldn't have even posted my above comment, if your blatant sharing of a children's show, your confidence of your own(s) non-MSM, that you had full confidence in, before actually understanding it's true context, had been dissected.

It's hard to keep a touch of politics out of this thread. Just the ~once a month I come here, it's riddled with fact atrocities.

That is why I posted.
So casually, I debunk lame carp. I don't thrive upon it.
Unlike your team, that has 'racked' up more BS posts than I could dream of.

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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 14 2021, 03:50PM

You want to portray blockchain as the devil?
I mined bitcoin in the beginning, bought a dang baseball cap with my farmed coins that would have been worth thousands now. Just after CUDA processing came out on vid cards.

My SETI certificates were framed

Blockchain grabs no 'one' corporation control. Far more secure than your bank.

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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 14 2021, 04:13PM

Funny it was an EFF baseball cap.

EFF Mission Statement:

"We defend free speech on the Internet, fight illegal surveillance, support freedom-enhancing technologies, promote the rights of digital innovators, and work to ensure that the rights and freedoms we enjoy are enhanced, rather than eroded, as our use of technology grows."

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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 14 2021, 04:17PM

Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Seams as if the only 'sheeple' are your team's links.

And no, I am not vaccinated yet. Nasty sniffles recently.

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Not Kidding, Wed Jul 14 2021, 05:22PM

Does it count as argument free if someone argues with themself? Just wondering

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AudioGuy, Wed Jul 14 2021, 05:33PM



As long as you keep on doing that, you should be able to avoid any potential downsides of the 'vax'. I wouldn't worry about the sniffles if your immune system is in good shape, they should go away.


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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 14 2021, 06:10PM


How am I arguing with myself?
I know your side, we've heard it over an over, but when discrepancies come up about y'alls shared links, based as fact. That deems me as arguing with myself?


Never once have I portrayed my stance other than, middle of the road.

Sharp and witty you are. -In a freaking Yoda voice..

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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 14 2021, 06:14PM


Good response. Not completely sold yet, will we be able to facilitate/have 'fake ID's?

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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 14 2021, 06:18PM


Find where I have ever stated a liberal point of view.

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Not Kidding, Wed Jul 14 2021, 08:14PM

Not sure why you think I was talking about you, however I will say the last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it, just sayin'

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 15 2021, 01:01AM

What were you referencing then? Just generalizing?
But my mouth is of some hooked fish now?
The last time you called me a name starting with an 'a', your post was deleted.
RE:

I've been called a hypocrite for not being one side or the other in my beliefs and been told to put my seatbelt on, then the subject changed to discredit me. I pop once in a while to correct some BS public announcements. AudioGuy was not offended recently.

I doubt the 'jab' could even get through my thick skin.

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Not Kidding, Thu Jul 15 2021, 07:37AM

You're fine Doo, don't worry about anything I may say, I don't worry about anything you may say as well

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AudioGuy, Thu Jul 15 2021, 11:20AM

For the life of me, I can't understand what the pissing match is about.

Meanwhile, I've been hearing a little more stuff about this sort of thing here, and this bothers me.
[Click Here]

As for this comment below, was this tongue in cheek, or is this something I actually might want to drive down to see?



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AudioGuy, Thu Jul 15 2021, 11:58AM

The comments section of this video is worth reading through.
[Click Here]



Starting to seem awful quiet around here from the pro-vax side, too. You guys still out there?? Hope so.

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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu Jul 15 2021, 12:05PM

All the pro-vax folks are out hiking, riding, boating and fishing and maybe having a few beers instead of obsessing over a dead issue.

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 15 2021, 01:16PM

The FEMA trains DTH had some sarcasm. I did have a longtime friend up here, that moved to the area of Showlow (slowlow), AZ a few years back, he swore truth & took photos of those trains. But he was also a believer in contrails...

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 15 2021, 01:17PM

Polar 🌌rbit, nice one.

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 15 2021, 01:33PM

AudioGuy, you must be a subscriber to Zay Speaks Truth (YouTube) that cartoon earlier was already debunked, but nothing wrong with disliking your 2nd vid, of the door to door vax checker craziness.
2nd vid has 12,807 comments, start from the top or bottom? Hahaheh, sure.

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AudioGuy, Thu Jul 15 2021, 05:49PM

I don't think I said to read ALL the comments. I meant browse. A couple pages worth is good enough.

I don't actually subscribe to any channel on the Y. I prefer to browse.

Door to door vax checking, yes-- that should be viewed as unacceptable in anyone's book. But you know it just won't be... too may people have probably been convinced that this sort of thing should be perfectly acceptable, even though it's not. May as well be Nazi Germany if this sort of crap keeps going down that path...

Also-- this whole thing about covid/vax is not really a dead issue if there are still actions being taken, such as door-to-door vax checks, or mask 'mandates' (apparently L.A. County is at it again with this utter nonsense), etc.
Especially when those who favor mandatory vaccines start pushing for it, against the will of those who do not want one either in their body or in their children's bodies...


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Nature, Mon Jul 26 2021, 05:23PM

Calif mandatory vaccinations for all it’s state workers. Well, at least 260,000 more people will be protected and kept from giving COVID to anyone else.
All health care workers required to be vaccinated.
I don’t know why it’s taken this long to make that one happen. Health care workers are working closely with people who are seriously at risk. If they don’t like it, they can get another job. Fear shouldn’t keep anyone from getting the vaccinations. It seems like that is a prevalent reason to not be vaccinated.
Other than that, politics are being used.
It’s okay for the unvaccinated to get COVID, just not ok for them to give it to others.
Personally, it means nothing to me if they get COVID.
That’s Their choice to make.
Just make sure they keep it to themselves.
It’s not like there aren’t any jobs available if they choose to quit.
If the unvaccinated don’t want to wear masks or get vaccinated they should move to Florida.
I’ll bet something comes down the pike there too, eventually. Their governor doesn’t give a crap about the lives of their citizens. Obviously.

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MtMan, Mon Jul 26 2021, 06:07PM

Ohhhh, here she goes again. Bringing politics into this conversation.......again. SMH...

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Polar 🌌rbit, Mon Jul 26 2021, 06:12PM

It's time to delete this thread. Nothing left but a pissing contest.

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BBNona, Mon Jul 26 2021, 06:37PM

So.. my 41-year-old daughter in good health good shape skinny no health issues has now tested positive for Covid three times just yesterday for the third time. At the advice of her doctor she’s not she’s going to get vaccinated. Strange virus!

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BBNona, Mon Jul 26 2021, 06:38PM

Tested positive in July, December and today

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Squatch, Mon Jul 26 2021, 06:51PM

BBNona, would she not have antibodies after having covid?

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BBNona, Mon Jul 26 2021, 07:07PM

She tested positive for the antibodies and the viral something or other which meant she has had it in the past eight weeks. Her doctor is recommending that she get vaccinated and I’m happy to say that she is going to

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BBNona, Mon Jul 26 2021, 07:08PM

She tested positive for the antibodies and the viral something or other which meant she has had it in the past eight weeks. Her doctor is recommending that she get vaccinated and I’m happy to say that she is going to

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BBNona, Mon Jul 26 2021, 07:09PM

You would think she has the antibodies after having it three times to protect her but evidently it doesn’t. Her doctor says it is not that unusual she’s seen not a high number but a few patients that have had it twice but she’s the first that Has had it three times.

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Not Kidding, Mon Jul 26 2021, 07:23PM



Which is it, first you said her doctor said don't get the vaccine and she won't, then twice after that you said the doctor told her to get the vaccine and she will get it, I'm very confused

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Not Kidding, Mon Jul 26 2021, 07:26PM



I didn't know the forum members got to choose when to delete a thread

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BBNona, Mon Jul 26 2021, 08:43PM

Sorry for the type of folks… Her doctor wants her to get vaccinated. My mistake

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Not Kidding, Tue Jul 27 2021, 08:47AM

Nature said: "If they don’t like it, they can get another job. It’s okay for the unvaccinated to get COVID, just not ok for them to give it to others. Personally, it means nothing to me if they get COVID."

Nature - you are a vile and evil person, you exemplify the worst in humanity - oh, and personally speaking, it means nothing to me if you get COVID - you should give serious thought about crawling in a hole and staying there!!!!



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Not Kidding, Tue Jul 27 2021, 08:52AM

Higher COVID Rate Found In Counties With Higher Vaccination Rate

Here is an important article from the mainstream media (finally, better late than never) - telling the TRUTH about the COVID vaccine and those that are getting infected with COVID now - read it before it gets taken down.

[Click Here]

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Cornbread, Tue Jul 27 2021, 10:38AM

More than 161 million people in the United States have been fully vaccinated as of July 19, 2021 and 45,000+ have died after getting the COVID vaccine. Maybe someone can do the math for me, is there a higher death rate from getting the vaccine than the virus itself?

[Click Here]


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Nature, Tue Jul 27 2021, 02:52PM

Lifesite news was banned from Twitter for misinformation.
You are getting your information from a right wing news media who will do and say anything to stop people from getting the vaccine for their own political reasons.
For all the time I’ ve been posting about the virus I’ve done all I could to encourage people to do the right thing and get vaccinated.
If not for their civic duty to these United States then for their own protection and the protection of those they associate with. Every post.
I have been called nasty names and a liar among other things by those of you who do not want to protect your communities or your loved ones by refusing to mask up or get the vaccine or take any other precautionary measures. It is your right to refuse but not your right to put others st risk.
You have made it clear you don’t care if you or anyone else gets sick from your actions, so I’m joining you in not caring about your health in this particular matter. I’m honoring your right to contract the virus. I will not honor you giving it to others. The unvaccinated are dying and wishing they had taken the vaccine. Now this in an Unvaccinated COVID 19 pandemic. I’m safe. I care about our country and it’s need to recover. One’s own immune system cannot “always” fight this virus off. So what? Someone’s attitude should be if one’s own immune system cannot overcoming this virus they don’t have the right to get help or even live?
The overall attitude has changed. You choose to not protect yourselves so let the chips fall where they may? Congratulations. Now your right to blow raspberries at vaccinated people is being supported. You should be pleased but once again it doesn’t matter what is said, you only take the opposite opinion.
Politics have been dragged into this thread by anti government, anti COVID, anti masks, anti vaccine posters and on snd on, for a very long time before my posts. Admin was deleting them back then and I guess they gave up trying to keep this thread friendly. I don’t blame them at all. Now I’m getting back to work.
Good luck to you.
For those who care... Good on you.

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Not Kidding, Tue Jul 27 2021, 03:44PM

Nature what a hypocrite you are, you have repeatedly name called over and over again - and might I remind you that I was merely repeating exactly what you said to others about not caring if they caught COVID as long as it wasn't spread to you. You said nothing about the article I posted from mainstream media (CBS Sacramento) regarding more already vaccinated persons getting infected with COVID than unvaccinated persons - you are an embarrassment to yourself, your fellow liberals, and humankind.

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Not Kidding, Tue Jul 27 2021, 04:31PM

Here's another mainstream media article stating that already vaccinated persons have the same viral load as unvaccinated persons when they contract COVID after being fully vaccinated.

[Click Here]

Anyone feel like they have been "had" with this scamdemic plandemic? Read it here for yourself straight from NBC and the CDC - time to stop the charade of mask wearing!



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mountainart, Tue Jul 27 2021, 04:35PM

Social media banned posters for posting all konds of things that eventually turned out to be correct. Media then tries to move on and ignore the politically based bannings. Mentioning disregarding news , because a social media site banned it, is no longer good evidence to quote as a reason to ignore posted information. I am of the opinoon that no postings should be banned, ever. That is pure censorship, and those that reply "bannings should happen to control the news and info, as americans can't be trusted to make the right (politically correct)decisions in evaluating the info they are exposed to."

Sad that certain types of people no longer have the ability to evaluate all data for themselves anymore, instead insisting that a proven corrupt and evil govt power should be given even more power to force americans to do what is for the good of those in power.

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MtMan, Tue Jul 27 2021, 06:21PM

Ahhh, nature...I see YOU bringing politics into, what is supposed to be, a non political conversation. Please keep your obviously left viewpoints out of it. That is, unless the mods agree to open this thread up. It really is not fair for this to continue without being censored with a rebuttal. Mods,, please tell her to stop or is the door opened? We all know, ad nauseum, the direction nature leans, now, can we just get back to the non political discussion? Can you possibly do that?

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Nature, Tue Jul 27 2021, 06:40PM

We all know where everyone leans. If you don’t like it don’t read my posts.
I have “never” called anyone s name on this thread and asked your group not to name call repeatedly.
You can take a small group of people in one instance to say more vaccinated were infected than vaccinated but the vast majority of doctors and hospitals are saying the opposite.
This is an unvaccinated pandemic that takes s very minimal number of vaccinated people. Even the right wing governors snd our represetste asking you to get vaccinated.
The CDC has determined vaccinated people, if they become infected, can spread the virus. I “never” said anything differently about that fact. I’ve only said vaccinated are less likely to contract the virus.
Wearing a mask to protect others is no threat to those of us who care about the spread. Those of you who don’t want to help get over this pandemic, for your own reasons, eventually will either get the virus and help end this through herd immunity

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Nature, Tue Jul 27 2021, 06:41PM

Or ....

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Nature, Tue Jul 27 2021, 06:45PM

Please pardon my typos.
I meant to say representatives but touched the reply accidentally before I had a chance to read over what I had written.

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MtMan, Tue Jul 27 2021, 11:19PM

What garbage, you constantly bring your leftist views into this discussion. Everyone that can read can see that. Don't believe me? Re-READ your rants and see for yourself. Some things don't change. Hey mods, is this open season? Please let us know. Cuz this can really get interesting.

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Not Kidding, Wed Jul 28 2021, 06:39AM

FINALLY!!! EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE MODERATORS, NOW FULLY UNDERSTAND, AND ACCEPT, THAT "COVID" IS ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY, AND COMPLETELY, A POLITICAL, HYSTERIA DRIVEN OPERATION DESIGNED TO CONTROL THE MASSES WITH FEAR AND MEDICAL TYRANNY - TOO BAD THAT NEARLY EVERYONE HAS OBEYED AND FOLLOWED ALONG SO MEEKLY, WHAT A TRAGEDY!!!!

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SCM ALERT🚨, Wed Jul 28 2021, 12:20PM


THAT IS NOT THE CASE, WE DON'T TAKE SIDES.

IT WAS MOVED BECAUSE Y'ALL STARTED ARGUING ABOUT POLITICS, SO IT WAS MOVED TO POLITICS. ENJOY!





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EvaJ, Wed Jul 28 2021, 02:30PM

"You constantly bring your leftist views into this discussion".

Meanwhile, some very active accounts on here use what, in my opinion, should be a place to discuss local issues and politics into a soapbox for the latest nonsense you've learned from some wackadoodles on YouTube.

Now you've forced a public health issue into the dregs which is the political category on this website. There is no moderation because it would be a full-time job and you would whine and howl at any attempt. it is an echo chamber of repetitive nonsense which most of us try to stay out of because why waste the time? It's folly.

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MtMan, Wed Jul 28 2021, 03:54PM

Eva, if you are referring to me, I beg to differ. My comment was directed at one here who had to constantly bring politics into the conversation. Also, she seemed to get away with it every time. Your vitriol should be directed elsewhere.

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Not Kidding, Wed Jul 28 2021, 07:24PM



Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out

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RH_Runner, Thu Jul 29 2021, 05:16AM



For sure!



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MtMan, Thu Jul 29 2021, 02:33PM





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MtMan, Thu Jul 29 2021, 02:39PM





Hmmmm...

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Cornbread, Fri Jul 30 2021, 06:10AM

Serious question here for the pro-vaccine peeps. Would you have still gotten the vaccine knowing what we know about it now? If you can still get the coronavirus and spread it, why would you get it? It's still not FDA approved, no one is liable if you get sick or die from the shot and they have to bribe people or make it mandatory to keep your job. I honestly want to know if the pro-vaccers still think getting the shot is the way to stop the "spread"?

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Not Kidding, Fri Jul 30 2021, 08:29AM

How to protect yourself from the Delta Variant




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MtMan, Sat Jul 31 2021, 09:41AM





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MtMan, Sat Jul 31 2021, 09:42AM





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Nature, Sun Aug 01 2021, 12:55PM

Politics and name calling started from pages 17 by all you right wing conspiracy theorists.
You had to come on a decent thread and screw it ip for everyone else trying to keep things civil and give factual information to those hunger to understand what I’d happening.
Well, this thread had been moved to where it belongs now.
The political forum is allowed to be as nasty as anyone wants.
I’ve had my fun on here.
You guys can all support each other with your BS instead of the truth about what is happening with this virus just as you have with the election being stolen, started by the biggest list this country had ever known and how nice the Jan 6 peaceful protest was by trump supporters.
You guys have all got your heads so far up your @$$€$ you will never see daylight. Oh yes why don’t you tell us how great it smells up there.
SEE YA!!




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Nature, Sun Aug 01 2021, 01:03PM




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Nature, Sun Aug 01 2021, 01:06PM

Had to correct so you morons could understand what I said.
Enjoy!
I’m out.

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MtMan, Sun Aug 01 2021, 01:08PM

Well, look what the cat dragged in, pun intended. Funny cuz YOU are probably the biggest reason this was moved. You, yes you, just couldn't help to bri g your pathetic pitiful digs in the conversation. Now, go feed your kitties. Come back when YOU have freed your own head from you know where.

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MtMan, Sun Aug 01 2021, 01:08PM

Morons....thought you didn't name call. Bye bye

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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 07:26AM


I just noticed this got moved.
LA County has brought back masks indoors. What is San Bernardino's take on that?
Funny I was taken so literal by saying 'masks are here to stay' early on in this mess.
Back to the memes...

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Not Kidding, Mon Aug 02 2021, 07:47AM

Nature you are so unbelievably stupid that you quoted yourself - what a dumbf**k!!!




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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 07:51AM


Puns on the brain that day?

But you sure are all fired up here.

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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 07:59AM


You can't imply the fword here. Why did you even post that?
I think that's the most mad I've seen Nature get. But pales in comparison to your reply.

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Mtngoat John⭐, Mon Aug 02 2021, 08:23AM


First of all Nature edited and added to her post. So.......

While we do allow some leniency in this forum I will remind you and EVERYONE that the site rules still apply in this forum. That includes not using vulgarity AND being civil. Follow the site rules or leave, simple as that.


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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 09:02AM

Since this thread has been moved to the non-public section, leniency applies more so, I'd think. I've had my password revoked 2x for such, in public areas, acronyms used, posts deleted, etc. Not Kidding's post(s) have been deleted before. Directed towards me even.

The memes are funny mostly.

Nature, don't succumb to them, it's not you. I (mostly) fact check these source shares. But yeah, I could be the biggest weirdo here, rarely negative and attacking though.

Sometimes I say conspiracy theorists.

Seems AudioGuy, SQUATCH and a few others have bow'd out in this wild west thread recently. I'll pop back in later.

In the 'mean'time, continue to be 'fired up'.

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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 09:09AM

In the memetime sounds better.

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Squatch, Mon Aug 02 2021, 10:09AM

Seems AudioGuy, SQUATCH and a few others have bow'd out in this wild west thread recently. I'll pop back in later.


Way too busy to waste my time on websites all day/night!

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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 12:50PM


Hmm, it took you 1 hour 7 minutes to formulate that response. I'll go weeks without looking in this topic, you took 1:07 minutes. Was that to disassociate yourself from your cronies and/or me?

Has the majority of my content been terribly negative?
You Squatch, have racked up some serious political/memes/antivax crap. You joined here in under one day of me. Somehow you have 500+ posts. I have well under 600. A tally needed?
Don't give me your Holier Than Thou (metallica) opposition.

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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 01:20PM

Doo I need my seatbelt on for you to discredit me over some chatbox weirdo posts again. Or have you and yours already discredited yourselves here?

Fun is a quick Punday, informative snake pics, tractor talk, weed abatement, growing vegetables, weather stuff, electricity & weird things, etc. Those aren't your topics. You belong here. Remember when I asked you 3 times about your antibody results & experiences? What did I get? An offensive reply, one of which was I wanted your medical records.
Bully 'me' team steam. How many members have voiced here they do not want to hear your side anymore? Never have I read so much negativity, it'll inspire a reaction.

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ButlerPeakFire, Mon Aug 02 2021, 02:09PM



I hope SB County gives them the big ole middle finger and lets us continues to breathe freely. Just my 2 cents.

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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 03:36PM

Now that is a well played response. I was wondering what was going on. So it's still in the works in this county? Haven't donned a mask in weeks. DIY/butcher's has been my ruler gauge.

Thought this is where we tested how red our necks are, or how red our ties are.

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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 02 2021, 04:34PM

Squatch (or was it SQUATCH before? Last I looked, was all caps)


Are you too busy to bask us in your glorious rebuttals. Just catching up?
No, you don't have to tell me your medical record. But please don't say you are too busy. You mob this site, lurk like lurch.

Team steam needs to step it up.
Bully me.
Dream Team Steam has had multiple threads moved to nonpublic areas.
Where's my content? Buried in the chatbox?

Is this here your calling? To degrade others? WhyTheHeck does the main Political forum have 1000's of posts?

Because you are busy?

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Mtngoat John⭐, Mon Aug 02 2021, 04:45PM

Keep your replies on topic. If you want to argue about things in the past do it in PM's.

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MtMan, Wed Aug 04 2021, 03:59PM

[Click Here]

10 Minute video on the chinese virus. Listen and hopefully you will learn.

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Cornbread, Thu Aug 05 2021, 08:16AM

Here are a few facts that the pro mask wearers do not want to talk about because they still trust the government;

1) Back in early June emails from Dr. Fauci were released where he admitted that masks were a sham and hydroxchloroquine works.
2) If you get the vaccine you are immune and don’t have to wear a mask anymore. (Not true)
3) If you get the vaccine you are immune and you won’t get the virus (Not true either)
4) Fauci was asked if the vaccine will work on the Delta variant and he said YES. (Wrong again)
5) “Trust the Science” they said. OOPS wrong again.

I know that I am forgetting some other facts, but what I do know is that I am not a lab rat for a experimental drug that isn't approved by the FDA and the makers of the vaccine are not responsible for anything that goes wrong. This is my body my choice,

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Cornbread, Fri Aug 06 2021, 06:05AM

I just thought of something else. Every pharmaceutical commercial always has a list of side affects that make you think, why would anyone ever take that (ex. heart attack, stroke, anal leakage or even death) and that you should consult your Dr. before taking. But there isn't any commercials for this experimental drug. You can go to your local store and get the shot. And now that we know the "vaccine" doesn't work against the virus, why is it still being pushed on us? I would really like to know what the pro vaxers have to say about this and are you still glad you got the shot.

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MtMan, Fri Aug 06 2021, 08:59AM

Swedish Professor Says 5 Shots of COVID Vaccine May be Necessary

FDA already preparing to approve 3rd “booster shot” for September.

6 August, 2021 Paul Joseph Watson

While many people have bragged about being “fully vaccinated” after taking two COVID-19 jabs, a Swedish professor says that as many as five shots may be needed to combat falling immunity.

“We don’t know how long the vaccine protects against serious illness and death,” said Karolinska Institute Professor Matti Sällberg. “This means that you pick the safe before the unsafe.”

Numerous European countries are planning a 3rd round of COVID “booster shots” in September, and the FDA also indicated that vaccinated individuals will be given another shot in the fall.

However, Sällberg suggests this probably won’t be enough and that “recurring shots” will be necessary.

“After receiving the second dose, the immune response slowly subsides. Within a year, many may have lost their protection. We do not know yet, but if you get a third dose, it will be activated again,” he said. “Biology says that a fading immune response is not unlikely. Then it’s time for a third, fourth, maybe fifth dose”.

One wonders whether Sällberg holds a conflict of interest given that he is also chairman of the board at vaccine company SVF.

Meanwhile, in Israel, a doctor warned that “the effectiveness of the vaccine is waning/fading out” and that “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people.”

Dr. Kobi Haviv also chillingly pointed out that 95% of the patients in hospital with the most severe symptoms are vaccinated.

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Not Kidding, Fri Aug 06 2021, 09:38AM

All total B.S.



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mountainart, Sun Aug 08 2021, 11:21AM

DC mayor, Chicago mayor, Newsome, now Obama, and all his partygoers,.........maskless on tight indoor crowds, hugging, kissing on the cheek, etc

More rules for thee but not for me.

Absolute proof that our govt leaders do not fear covid, and know it is a fake hype, otherwise you could bet your last dollar they would mask if they even remotely believed in the danger of covid FLU.

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mountainart, Sun Aug 08 2021, 11:23AM

Zero way the libs can convolute that fact, and explain that away. The pics and video are out there

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Not Kidding, Sun Aug 08 2021, 05:11PM

The CDC finally admitting the vaccine does not protect you from getting Covid, too bad they deceived everyone by stating the opposite in March, sorry sheep !! Oh and did you know the the director of the CDC, Rachel Wolinsky's husband recently received a grant from HHS for 5 million dollars? Apparently she is our unelected Main lawmaker now, lawmakers are supposed to be elected not appointed, guess our Constitution is non existent now?!!! Time to impeach Biden, he took an oath to honor the laws of the land and uphold the constitution, why is he blatantly violating so many of our laws and our constitutional rights? Time is ripe to revolt, listen up everyone, stop going along with the nonsense and lies CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER NOW!! Guess Covid isn't dangerous after all, ya think?

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MtMan, Sun Aug 08 2021, 08:06PM

and......crickets...

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Not Kidding, Sun Aug 08 2021, 08:42PM

Crickets on steroids!!!

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MtMan, Tue Aug 10 2021, 07:07AM

[Click Here]

Short video, watch and learn. Become informed.

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Cornbread, Tue Aug 10 2021, 08:17AM

I just watched that video last night. Very informative but the Libs will discredit it because the media tells them that isn't true. BUT it is OK for Obama to have a huge Bday party with 500+ people not wearing masks.

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Don't want the chinese virus? Ivermectin. Do your own research about it.

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Not Kidding, Fri Aug 13 2021, 04:20PM

Stranger than truth Cornbread, as I say "you can't make these things up" - and yet people are still believing all of it, unbelievable!

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Nature, Sat Aug 14 2021, 08:06PM

There was never a claim you couldn’t get the virus after being vaccinated.
The last statistic was .001% will possibly get the virus after fully vaccinated.
The longer the virus is out there the stronger it gets because it adapts to preventions.
That is science observed over decades.
Obama’s BD was full of vaccinated people and we can enjoy each other because we are far less likely to get the virus and even less likely to become seriously ill if we did, unlike the unvaccinated.
You don’t have to get the vaccination.
You are entitled to become infected, get sick and worse. Enjoy yourselves.
All the BS you keep spewing to each other is totally nonsensical and you don’t seem to be able to see what it really looks like to others with any common sense.
Viruses mutate and get worse the same as with bacterias.
Vaccines wear off. That’s why yearly flu shots are given. Just one example.
Every measure suggested is to do the best to stop the spread when they are used in conjunction with each other. The more safeguards applied and utilized the better for the vulnerable.
You people refusing to do anything simply do not appear to care about others.
Keep talking to each other and making yourselves look ignorant to the educated.
All we can do is truly feel sorry for you and wish you would pay attention to the facts instead of the lies.
Stay safe and try to respect others rights to protect themselves and those seriously vulnerable.
Admin says be nice but allows what goes on in this forum. If the haters hadn’t invaded this thread and gotten away with it we could still be giving out supportive information to those who “choose” to do the right thing.
Like I said, it started on page 17 and grew. Would have been nice if the rules laid out had been enforced when the trolls got started.
They weren’t and could not be ignored, as hard as we tried, when they first showed up.

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MtMan, Sat Aug 14 2021, 09:26PM

Funny but YOU were the one that brought up politics in this thread, YOU. Don't now claim you didn't, review your own stupid comments involving YOUR digs on Trump. Oh, also, when anyone bothers to respond to your garbage, point by point, you conveniently ignore the responses. Typical leftist response.

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Not Kidding, Sun Aug 15 2021, 07:30AM

Nature did you know that the CDC is phasing out the PCR test? Why you ask? Because they were never intended to be used as a diagnostic tool to detect "illness", they are lab tests designed to find a particle of a "virus" - they don't detect what kind of virus the particle found is, they show positive if any type of virus is present. Oh, and did you know that there is no test available anywhere that tests for a "variant", I think you are the one that needs further education on this subject, try looking for other theories instead of believing everything your are "TOLD" by your government and the mainstream media. Oh and don't forget, no one has isolated this virus anywhere, everything is based on a synthetic spike protein based on what they "think" the virus looks like, all b.s. Why aren't they testing for flu virus anymore? Because they have to make everything fit the "narrative". Go to sleep now little sheep.

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MtMan, Sun Aug 15 2021, 09:37AM

Walking into a restaurant...
Hello.
Hi, table for two, please.
Sure, and your name.
John.
Great. And do you and your guest have your vaccination cards?
We do....Can you tell us who our server will be?
Um, looks like Bobby will be your server tonight.
Great. Can you show us Bobby's vaccination card?
Um...
And also, can you provide me with proof that Bobby is not a carrier of HIV, Hepatitis A or B, or any other communicable diseases?
Um...
Also, we would prefer not to be served by someone who is on or uses recreational drugs such as marijuana, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, etc, so if you could provide us with Bobby's most recent tox screen, that would be great.
Um... Let me get the manager for you.
That would be great, Thanks
😂😂😂😂 Stolen from a friend

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Aug 21 2021, 04:23PM

My gal's brother just died, 2 days in the hospital, one day on a ventilator. I won't get into which President nor view his on masks was. The TX brother. It's just terrible, happened way too fast. Fit guy, cigars once in a while. Damn it all.

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Aug 21 2021, 04:24PM

Delta variant

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doo·hick·ey, Sat Aug 21 2021, 05:44PM

What no memes? You need an ample 'cool down' period before it's respectful?
I've always been mid-of-the-road, still not vax'd. Haven't worn a mask for month(s).
But boy, it'll hit home, when it comes near you.

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MtMan, Sat Aug 21 2021, 07:37PM

That sucks doo but it seems you want a confrontation. I ain't giving you that. Sorry about your bro in law. Let me just give you a friendly suggestion, research ivermectin and see what you think, just an fyi, not trying to tell you what to do. May he rest in peace.

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MrOwl, Sat Aug 21 2021, 08:10PM

Sorry to here that doohickey.

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Cornbread, Mon Aug 23 2021, 07:26AM

That really sucks Doo. Thoughts and prayers to you family.

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MtMan, Fri Aug 27 2021, 01:56PM

For those of you who don't want the vaccine, here is a downloadable pdf of a form for you to print out (after filling out your name) and hand to whomever is telling you that you have to have the jab. Mind you, this is a religious exemption, you may or may not agree with several of the points brought up within this form, whatever. Your choice.

[Click Here]


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Skier, Sun Aug 29 2021, 04:28PM




IVERMECTIN?

Lol! so funny that these people who won't get vaccinated because they don't trust it are the same ones who are swallowing horse dewormer.

Good grief, what is wrong with people?



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Nature, Sun Aug 29 2021, 11:35PM

Biden was handed a disastrous economy, a raging pandemic and the republicans cheered when Biden’s hope to have 70% of our population vaccinated by July 4th didn’t happen. Fine job y’all. Let’s see how many more people can be killed just to try and make things more difficult for our brand new, fully authenticated, President Biden. Boy that kills y’all to know so badly that many of you still say it isn’t true but y’all know better.
With the Covid hand over trump only bought 30 million vaccines, believing Biden couldn’t get any more and so President Biden would be in a hurt to help our country get back to normal.
trump was and still is an embarrassment to our country. It’s taking hard work to clean up the stain he left behind.


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Cornbread, Mon Aug 30 2021, 06:09AM

It sure is great having you both back and making us laugh. I am a little surprised to hear that you both think biden is still doing a great job though. I guess I underestimated the power of the Kool-Aid.

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Not Kidding, Mon Aug 30 2021, 07:49AM



What is really hard work is dealing with the stain that you and Skier and your ilk are actively producing RIGHT HERE AND NOW!!! Biden, his handlers, and his cabinet are the LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD, read the papers if you want to know what the world really thinks of your supposed savior!


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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 30 2021, 10:01AM

Ivermectin is also used on humans for tape worm parasites, etc, at a proper human dosage.
Latin America and the like, are the only ones that have sanctioned it's use due to shortage of vaccination supply to them. FOX news for months has been advocating it's use and been slammed for hospitalizations due to improper dosage taken by using the readily available animal (horse) version.

[Click Here] -USA Today (yesterday) Ohio judge orders hospital to treat COVID patient with Ivermectin despite CDC warnings

Free right to choose.
The trials of Ivermectin were inconclusive and studies/papers redacted, then removed based on bunk data.
Go take your alternative vax...



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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 30 2021, 10:37AM


Public political confrontation yourself that was ignored in chatbox.




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Not Kidding, Mon Aug 30 2021, 10:43AM



No mention of Skier's meme post that spelled it out exactly in full? Go back in your hole doo, I know you would love to be a moderator but guess what? You're not!!!! And yes I am angry about the situation in our country, totally relevant to the subject of the POS BIden, what a joke of a President!!!!

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doo·hick·ey, Mon Aug 30 2021, 11:13AM

My hole? So it's just me that gets punished for use of that term?
I voted for tRump dork.

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Squatch, Mon Aug 30 2021, 11:36AM



There is something seriously wrong with YOU!

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MtMan, Mon Aug 30 2021, 02:11PM

Doo, thanks for pointing out the obvious, so what?

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Cornbread, Wed Sep 01 2021, 06:29AM

This is the land of the free. Soldiers have fought and died for our freedom. If I want to have a beer, I can. If I don't want a beer, I don't have to. If you really think the vaccine will keep you safe, you have the freedom to get the vaccine. Just like I should have the freedom to not take it. You have the freedom to do whatever you think is best for you and I will do what I think is best for me. Just because we don't agree with each other doesn't make us right or wrong. It means we are free to make our own decisions. If the government really wants to keep us healthy, then why us insulin for diabetics not free? Why are cigarettes not illegal? I could go on and on but you should see my point hopefully. What I am saying is you do you. Don't make me do something I don't want to because you think I should. That's not freedom.

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MtMan, Wed Sep 01 2021, 01:55PM

Oh no, some here think that YOU, you that don't vaccinate, are now the problem, YOU are responsible for killing people. How insane and ignorant.

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doo·hick·ey, Thu Sep 02 2021, 02:59PM


So only insults in reply to my Ivermectin post?

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MtMan, Fri Sep 03 2021, 09:26AM

[Click Here]

The above is a link where a Harvard epidemiologist destroys the case for covid passports.

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Nature, Wed Sep 08 2021, 01:30AM

Take what you want. Don’t vaccinate if you don’t want to.
Don’t think it’s ok to say you are not killing people with your ignorance. Unvaccinated by belligerent entitlement attitudes, you all display, is filling the hospitals and causing 1100 deaths per day. Just think ... there will be less if you to repopulate. That is called natures way.
Here’s Your Sign!
HAHAHAHA

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Not Kidding, Wed Sep 08 2021, 07:41AM

Nature you are so "woke" you're comatose and clearly brain dead, no wonder this country is in such horrible shape, it's on your and your lefty comrades (or more to the point "CONrades").

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MtMan, Thu Sep 09 2021, 12:04PM







Like some here that believe we are being selfish...idiots

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MtMan, Fri Sep 10 2021, 05:31PM









F Communism and F all of you leftist scum.

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MtMan, Fri Sep 10 2021, 06:14PM

Sex offenders don't have to carry a card because it "VIOLATES THEIR PRIVACY". Hmmmm...

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Cornbread, Mon Sep 13 2021, 09:56AM


It's not really up to you to decide if everyone needs the vaccine. It also shouldn't be the government and business owners either. Everyone should be able to decide what is best for themselves. My body, my choice. If you don't agree with that you are a hypocrite.

Also If Biden would close the borders and stop letting 1000's of unvaccinated illegals in, the numbers would go way down.

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Nature, Mon Sep 13 2021, 02:24PM

I agree. It’s my body my choice including women.
Don’t get the vaccine.
Don’t wear a mask.
Go ahead and get sick.
Go ahead and die.
Oh yeah, that’s exactly what you are doing.
Don’t kill those who are doing whatever it takes to stay alive and protect their children.
Complete hypocrites. All of you.

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MrOwl, Mon Sep 13 2021, 02:50PM

You're safe Nature, you've been vaccinated. BWAHAHA

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Not Kidding, Mon Sep 13 2021, 03:02PM

Gee Nature, sure hope you don't get Covid after getting the vaccine, keep getting those boosters too, after you get the boosters don't be too surprised when you get really really sick and possibly die from reinfection. Of course I hope that doesn't happen, but the vaccine doesn't keep you from getting the virus over and over again, and it doesn't stop you from infecting others, but I guess that isn't the definition of a vaccine anymore since Covid - oh and let's follow the science, right? Natural immunity apparently doesn't count anymore after decades and decades of science saying it does, right?.
Oh and Nature, what do you think about the people that are dying after gettIng the vaccine? Guess that doesn't matter right?
You are really stupid!!!! Keep wearing those masks and socially distancing after getting the vaccine - does any of this fly in the face of Science? - sheep are really not very smart are they?




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Squatch, Mon Sep 13 2021, 06:03PM



POOR KITTY WOMAN....just sitting home alone drinking Cool aid and eating cat turds, now you have worms for brains! So SAD!


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Cornbread, Tue Sep 14 2021, 06:11AM


Nature, you are the complete hypocrite. You said "Don’t kill those who are doing whatever it takes to stay alive and protect their children." But you agree "It’s my body my choice including women." So you obviously support abortions. Did you know that abortions is killing babies? Did you know that those babies are doing what ever it takes to stay alive? Talk about Complete hypocrisy. I really wish you would respond to the questions that are asked of you. I would really like to see you try to explain your thoughts on this.

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MtMan, Tue Sep 14 2021, 04:00PM

Speaking of leftist hypocrisy...





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Yup, leftist logic...

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MtMan, Wed Sep 15 2021, 06:09PM

You do know who Saul Alinsky is?





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BBNona, Wed Sep 15 2021, 06:16PM

I was in Smart and final today and a customer was lecturing the clerk because he did not have a mask on Saying how dangerous it was! The clerk said he was vaccinated and she said well my friend was Vaccinated and she caught it you need to stay safe and I said why do you think the mask makes you say that cheap mask you have on is no protection at all . What makes people feel they have the right to criticize those who choose not to wear the stupid mask. She probably supports gruesome newsom and all his stupid mandates that he ignores himself. Enuff said I’ll move to P9itics thread.

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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Sep 16 2021, 07:13AM




Well said

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Cornbread, Tue Sep 21 2021, 05:52AM

I guess I am ready for my first 2 Coronavirus shots




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MtMan, Tue Sep 21 2021, 09:51AM

My shots have to be clear but love it.

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Nature, Thu Sep 23 2021, 11:03PM

Trying to get it through your thick heads is useless.
Vaccinated people are not afraid of getting this virus.
The concept of preventing those who are not protected/vaccinated, appears to elude ya’ll.
Squash-that was pretty funny. I must admit.
So we are trying our best to protect you unvaccinated ingrates. We also care about children, old people, those who cannot help themselves, animals and the environment for our future generations.
It’s getting to a point where we are wondering why we should care about the unvaccinated becoming sick and dying so we translate that to caring about overwhelmed doctors and nurses who are assigned to help these people begging for vaccinations while dying of the virus.
A friend of mine got Covid, ran out and got the vaccine, exposing everyone around him by hiding he was infected.
He died.
The crap ya’ll have put into your bodies and the thought of taking something that is going to prevent you from hospitalization is horrific to you.
We try to help the ignorant and they don’t get it until they’ve got the virus.
How many mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, and worst of all, our children would still be alive today, since we started vaccinations? What a loss. Even when I don’t believe in your politics.
Abortion? I personally don’t believe in it.
I also don’t believe I have the legal right to know why or what would drive any woman into seeking one and then forcing them to go through an unwanted pregnancy.
Their reasons are vast.
Trust me, if any man, regardless of who they impregnated, was legally forced to physically raise and pay for every need of an unwanted child for 18 years, abortions would not be questioned.
Government over reach?
At least vaccines save lives not ruin them.


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Not Kidding, Fri Sep 24 2021, 09:51AM

Nature - IT'S NOT A VACCINE - getting through your thick head is useless!!!

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MtMan, Fri Sep 24 2021, 10:59AM

[Click Here]

"Vaccinne" kills more than saves

"getting through your thick head is useless!!!"

Could not have said it better.

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MtMan, Fri Sep 24 2021, 11:03AM

Recall alert: Pfizer recalls anti-smoking drug Chantix
NEW YORK — Pfizer Inc. has recalled its anti-smoking drug, Chantix, citing high concentrations of an ingredient linked to increased cancer risk.

In a notice posted to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s website on Thursday, Pfizer confirmed that it is recalling Chantix 0.5 mg and 1 mg tablets due to the presence of N-nitroso-varenicline.

The cautionary recall was instigated because long-term ingestion of N-nitroso-varenicline can be associated with a “theoretical potential increased cancer risk in humans,” the notice stated.

*****

Read that last sentence again. They're pulling this drug that has been on the market for years because there's a 'theoretical potential increased cancer risk', yet they're going full steam ahead with covid vaccines that didn't undergo nearly as much testing before being put on the market and shoved down our throats.
Why? Could it be because they can face massive lawsuits over Chantix, but not the vaccines?

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MtMan, Fri Sep 24 2021, 11:10AM

[Click Here]

Navy surgeon sounds the alarm.

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MtMan, Sun Sep 26 2021, 06:22PM

Riddle me this: some of you morons want me to vaccinate so that you vaccinated will be protected, uh-huh, isn't that the job of the vaccine? Duh....

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Cornbread, Mon Sep 27 2021, 11:10AM


I've never heard someone who got the flu shot complain about someone else not getting it. The media and Fauci are the ones dividing this country.

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Not Kidding, Mon Sep 27 2021, 11:53AM

Mtman, exactly, and by no coincidence the merriam webster definition of vaccine was revised at the same time the so called MRNA vaccines were given Emergency use authorization. And they are lying about FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine, the actual vaccine that was approved is not even available yet, they approved a joint venture between Pfizer and Biontech called Cominarty, hasn't even gone into production yet, the current Pfizer vaccine is still being given under the Emergency Use Authorization. Everything the government and medical industry is telling is is pure evil lies, these "jabs" are deadly!!!!

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Nature, Tue Sep 28 2021, 12:04AM

You know what you are doing spreading false information about the vaccine.
The sad thing is we recognize those frightened individuals are relying on social media instead of scientific facts.
The vaccine is safe, saves lives, prevents hospitalizations, is fully approved by the FDA, is free, easy to get at most pharmacies, keeps children from losing their parents and parents from losing their children.
The entire trump family gladly received all doses of the vaccine. The media spreading more lies for their own twisted division tactics have all been vaccinated.
They want the republicans back in office so they spread lies to make the current president look bad. Those media idiots are killing people as you group are by lying through your teeth to keep people from doing the right thing to protect “themselves” and those they care about.
If you actually believe the crap you keep spewing out if your mouths and in all your posts everywhere else, there is no help for you. You have made that clear. We vaccinated feel safe and fully protected. Why do we want you to get the “vaccine”? Because we care about the unvaccinated who are sick and dying from the complications that COVID creates at a rate of 1600 per day now. We also care about our country getting back to normal. Obviously, none of you care about others or our country. You should go somewhere else and let those of us who are doing our patriotic duty by trying to help others, live in peace.

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Cornbread, Tue Sep 28 2021, 06:09AM

My friends wife is a Physicians Asst. and I have a couple friends that are nurse's. They have told me that about half of the people in the hospital here who have the coronavirus are vaccinated. So how is the vaccine protecting you.

Oh, and none of my friends are vaccinated. They are first responders. They all said the will quit if the hospital mandated the vaccine.

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Not Kidding, Tue Sep 28 2021, 07:55AM

Nature you are too stupid for your own good, keep taking those boosters and be a good little sheep. You are clearly uninformed, the current Pfizer vaccine is NOT FDA APPROVED, IT IS BEING USED UNDER EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION - THE FDA APPROVED VACCINE IS NOT AVAILABLE YET AND IS A JOINT VENTURE BY PFIZER AND BIONTECH CALL COMINARTY -READ IT FOR YOURSELF
[Click Here]

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Not Kidding, Tue Sep 28 2021, 07:58AM

And Nature, you are the most unpatriotic person I have ever encountered, you care nothing about this country, Biden is the most inept president EVER!!!!

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MtMan, Tue Sep 28 2021, 08:52AM

Some are like a pesky little fly, bzzzz, somewhat irritating until they fly away and find some crap to land on.

Biden a good 'president", laugh of the day. You can't fix stupid.

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Nature, Tue Sep 28 2021, 04:34PM

You people are less than useless and worse than ignorant.
You are dangerous to this country.
Keep patting each other on the backs because you need it badly.
The vaccine is fully FDA approved but you obviously don’t pay attention to the truth.
Only the booster is emergency approved but heading for full approval.
Moderna and J and J are next.
Stop lying to everyone.
You don’t care about facts.

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Not Kidding, Tue Sep 28 2021, 05:28PM

Did you read the information from the FDA that I posted? You are clearly the one that is lying and refusing to believe the truth - keep on getting those boosters idiot!!!

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MtMan, Tue Sep 28 2021, 05:36PM

Again, you just described yourself. It is leftist, socialists, communists, that are the danger to my country. So typical of leftists to try and turn themselves into "truthful" citizens. I know your kind, I have talked in person with your kind. You are legends in your own twisted mind. Sickening and dangerous. Us real Americans must keep on exposing the left hypocrisy and keep telling the truth against your evil kind. We will keep on our truth crusade against your evil and wicked lies. You will someday be rendered powerless with the truth on our side. Now, go feed your kitties and better yet, take them to Cuba or Venezuela where your kind can be happy forever.

F the left and f evil.

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MtMan, Tue Sep 28 2021, 05:38PM

By the way, if I ever met you in person, I would tell you all of the above face to face. I have no qualms of confronting evil and exposing it outright.

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MtMan, Wed Sep 29 2021, 04:40PM

You got your two shots, still wearing a mask and nothing has changed. Do you feel stupid? No, probably not, why? Because you are actually stupid, really f'n stupid.

I didn't write the above but so damn true.

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Jellylorum, Thu Sep 30 2021, 11:19AM

Not Kidding, you may want to more closely read the information in the link you posted. It clearly says the Pfizer-Comirnaty vaccine was fully FDA-approved for use in ages 16 and up, back in August. For ages 12-15, it is being used under emergency approval.

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Not Kidding, Thu Sep 30 2021, 02:14PM

Jelly - that's what I said, the joint venture Pfizer Biontech booster vaccine was recently FDA approved, it is called Cominarty and is not the same as the original Pfizer vaccine. The original Pfizer vaccine is still not FDA approved, it is being used under Emergency Use Authorization - which is exactly what I said - the booster became available on the market on September 20th.

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Not Kidding, Thu Sep 30 2021, 02:21PM

At the time the Cominarty vaccine was FDA approved, it was not yet available for distribution, but became available on Sept 20th, which is when Biden announced "Boosters for everyone" before the FDA approved of boosters - you know. follow the science, haha

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Jellylorum, Thu Sep 30 2021, 09:05PM

Interesting that the link to the FDA, if you click on through to the accompanying documentation, indicates that the Pfizer vaccine is the same one that has been used all along. That name is continuing to be used for 12-15 year olds to indicate it is not yet FDA approved for that age group. The name change applies when it is used for persons 16 and up.

Further documentation in numerous reputable places indicates the same. I know many here prefer to do their own research, so I will let you do so, as well.


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Not Kidding, Fri Oct 01 2021, 09:01AM

One thing is for certain, neither the FDA and the CDC make it easy to find clear, and complete information on this whole mess, this too seems to be by design to keep the "narrative" going on and on forever.

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Nature, Sat Oct 02 2021, 06:47PM

It’s too bad this site does not stop false narratives against the vaccine and anything else like some of the other much bigger sites have started doing.
All of your posts would be gone.
When your doctor tells you the vaccine is safe for you it needs to be taken.
Although it was produced by a new method , it’s purpose is just like any other vaccine made to prevent death and hospitalization, which costs people unbelievable amounts of money because they listen to the crap you all spew.
They keep getting sick and dying and now our children are at risk. It’s s shame and should be mandated to save the lives of those who are not allowed to speak for themselves.
How many people are sick but won’t get tested because it might interrupt their plans? Most, although not all, didn’t have to be sick in the first place. So they infect others.
Do what’s right for our country. Get vaccinated.

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Not Kidding, Sat Oct 02 2021, 09:53PM

Nature censorship is for communist countries, this is America, land of free speech. You and your ilk want everyone to think the same, like flipping robots, you want everyone to be controlled and made to be the same - you should move to China, or Australia, where you can never think for yourself, you would welcome everyone who is different being sent to re-education camps to eradicate freedom and freedom of thought, you are a disgusting human being (that is if you are human), you make me sick to my stomach!

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MtMan, Sat Oct 02 2021, 10:03PM

Funny how f'n leftists want you to be silenced when they disagree. Well said above. Keep providing your leftist garbage, oh, notice how no one wants to censor your garbage. We look forward to it as stupid entertainment. Let me guess, there is no mr. nature, can't imagine anyone having to listen to this every day...

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Not Kidding, Sun Oct 03 2021, 08:52AM

Nature, this describes you and your progressives to a T:
libsplain
The pompous and illogical explanation offered from a liberal on a topic for which they know nothing other than the rhetorical talking points spewed out by politicians. This tactic is often required when there is a shocking lack of logic and reasoning available to support your tactic. Usually libsplaining involves raised eyebrows, a head tilt, and a whiny voice.

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mountainart, Sun Oct 03 2021, 10:47AM

Nature, you stated "now putting our children at risk". I am sorry, but you need to stop mindlessly repeat the medias propaganda machine that easily refutably is blatantly lying.

We have tried to help you step back, and teach you how to do actual critical / logic/fact evaluative thinking for yourself.

I will try to help again, with direct linking to the CDC's own website stats.

First, there were 566 deaths in ages 0 to 18(.000004075% of that population group according th Censis bureau figures of 80,157,442) reported by hospitals from start of pandemic (1/4/2020) to sept 25/2021. (1 year, 8 months, 20 days)
[Click Here]

This is how many children in same age group died of influenza over the last 20 month period ages 0 to 18: 877( .000007366%)
[Click Here]

The CDC, right on their paragraphs surrounding their graphs says " while the incidence of influenza deaths is extremely unlikely, and falls within the margin of error"(meaning that the 12 month only, cdc death figures of 466, puts it at fewer deaths than can be deemed statistically accurate for percentage calculations). The percentage of mortality from covid is 0.011% in those that contract covid, and 0.018% in those that contract influenza.

So you follow the govt and willing accomplice news and social media companies trying to scare people into becoming terrified about the well being of children that die in such a tiny number, that the CDC itself lists it as "EXTREMELY Unlikely, when less than 3/5ths of the number of children that die of Influenza B.

Go to the CDC own website, and with a calculator in hand, verify these stats for yourself. Hopefully you start to view the world based on actual Truth, and not by a progressive party mindset, that I jist showed you has been blatantly pushing a narrative that emotional based thinkers, who view self investigative fact checking as Evil, and actively cancelled by liberals, if the results somehow come up different than their talking point sound bytes.

Why do you think that is? What do you think is the reason blatant agenda pushing entities deny any debates, and call independent reviewers of facts " evil, and uncaring"?

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mountainart, Sun Oct 03 2021, 11:34AM

NotKIdding,

People who want things they see online to be pre-cencored for them is because they have no desire to engage their minds about anything important, even when it is having direct negative consequences to their own freedoms, and lives.

Instead, with the entitlement, others-do-everything-in-life-for- you mindset, they are literally happiest when others with the best TV hair, and !ho promise the most free stuff to them tell them what to do, believe, think.

As we all know, practically all people in positions of dictatorial collective based positions of power get there through deciet, graft, amd desire to micromanage and control people under them.

Look at literally every socialist, commumist, facist, usurious monarchist country in history. These marginally selfish and ambitous leaders and controllers become ousted by people even more ruthless than them. It is just human nature.

Pretty soon, it is pure self-gain/advancement driven people who control the govt. Which is where we are now. So, they cater to the people who can't execute critical thinking for themselves, and push edicts that are solely designed to consolidate power. Occasionally this coincides with the short term welfare/profit/good of democratic based high population density regions but in the long run, everybody loses and you wind up with the Soviet Union, every time.

It is apmost impossible to get an emotionally based mind structure to do logic and self determinated fact checking as they do not have the ability, in most cases. Roughly 2/3rds of humans, according to Psychological studies think this way, and it is the reason civilizations always fail. To quote one of our founding fathers "Once the voters realize they can vote for (free stuff), that democracy is doomed to fail".

It is unfortunately inevitable. The only thing to do is configure your life to be as invisible to liberal mindset people and power as possible.

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Not Kidding, Sun Oct 03 2021, 02:30PM

Extremely well said mountainart

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MtMan, Sun Oct 03 2021, 03:18PM

Dang, way too much common sense for leftists.

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Squatch, Sun Oct 03 2021, 04:50PM

If Nature and her counterparts really cared about our country, they should leave the country, thus ridding of the cancerous/parasites they have become!

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MrOwl, Sun Oct 03 2021, 05:22PM

mountainart, spot on thinking.

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Not Kidding, Mon Oct 04 2021, 11:03AM

Nature and other morons that believe what the government, media and CDC tell you - I suppose this didn't really happen, right?
[Click Here]

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Nature, Mon Oct 04 2021, 11:23PM

What you are all saying is, it’s perfectly fine that 700,000 people die and any number dying in the future is fine too.
Tell me your solutions to keep more people from dying.
I have “never” seen one word about how to help our country get well or back to normal.
Not one word, except let them die because their numbers don’t matter unless it is you who suffers or dies while death is preventable.
So call me names because I care about our country enough to want to do whatI can not to infect others.
I don’t value who I am from what others think or say.
I am fully self confident and self assured, highly intelligent plus what my father always admired, I have common sense, aka street wise. All you can do is [censored] about me and avoid the subject. Vaccines for Smallpox, Typhus, Typhoid, Rubella, Polio are all bad?
This is the worst Pandemic this country has ever faced and all we are trying to do is save lives.
Go ahead and call us names, including all the Republicans who take the vaccine to save lives including their own. All you are doing is taking a tribalism stand to allow this Pandemic to continue killing people. You want to get sick or die, I say it is likely no loss to society. Just don’t keep infecting others who may be more vulnerable than you.
Taking the vaccine is the Patriotic thing to do. It helps citizens and gets our country back to normal. What are you going to do besides spread fear of nothing to be afraid of.

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mountainart, Tue Oct 05 2021, 04:45AM

Have Covid antibodies. Family had symptomless Covid, just like 99% of those that got it. You focus on "saving lives" at any cost, and to the utter destruction of many millions of peoples financial, emotional, and physical wellbeing, and ability to keep working and have a roof over their head. Instead of sequestering and protecting those at risk, you think it is ok to destroy the lives of the many, in the name of fairness.

I believe differently than you, it is a way of thinling developed by different mindsets. I start from the baseline of I am the ultimate person responsible for what I achieve in life, you don't hear me complaining that I lost practically all of my families income prospects, when covid shutdowns killed the LA film industry and they all moved to Georgia and other states that welcomed production companies to keep filming.

I start my lifes decisions from the basepoint that it is wrong to take from others, to subsidize my comfort level and wellbeing. To believe in liberal redistributionism, you have to start with the belief that it is ok to make people subject to, and forced submittal to someone else in powers edicts that directly harm their families and individual financial wellbeing. There will always be the lowest level in human society. Americas current lowest levels when compared to average population 500 years ago is princely. But, as is human nature, peoples feelings about their own successes generally arise from comparitives to their surrounding neighbors. Then, it is what they do with that information that shows their character.

Funny how the top 2% of san francisco liberal rich families are the loudest abput social equality, while on average deliberately paying less taxes than low income families, and hiring and generally taking advantage of immigrant help(firsthand observations of several rich liberal families I had dealings with) Liberal general population is being mightily played by the evil political powers that be.

I started my independent life with literally no assets. What I built up, I literally did with my two hands and half a brain. I and my wife are currently handbuilding our own home, which, if it weren't for covid, would have been finished already. With the media industry now gone, we had to put in actual effort to reconfigure ourselves to provide something different that we could sell for income. So now we are doing custom house art pieces/furniture, etc.

Charity to help others in need only truly works when those helped are kept to accountability for how they use that help. Govt taking from many, a little evil, to blindly pour resources onto deliberately designed unaccountable recievers.

Since I will never think this is ok, I will never be able to condone your redistributionist way of viewing life that you think is ok to force others to submit to

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Not Kidding, Sun Oct 10 2021, 07:40AM

It's about time, this needs to start happening EVERYWHERE!! Covid Vax mandates are total B.S. !!

Copy and paste this in your browser, Air Traffic Controllers walk out at JAX last night, 650 flights cancelled due to the mandates - YES AND MORE PLEASE!!!

[Click Here]



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Cornbread, Mon Oct 11 2021, 06:05AM

Way to go Joe. You said during your campaign that you have a plan to slow the virus. That was just another lie.





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Jellylorum, Mon Oct 11 2021, 09:10AM

There is an announcement on the Facebook page for BJ's Restaurant. It explains why it's been closed for a couple weeks.

Chuck was sick with Covid, and is slowly recovering. BJ's will remain closed for awhile.


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Nature, Tue Oct 12 2021, 10:33PM

Hey Jelly.
Finally a post with some clear content even if it’s on a Viral thread. I hope Chuck gets well soon. Love his sandwiches.
Good stuff.

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MtMan, Sun Oct 17 2021, 10:36AM

[Click Here]

16 minute video on the vaccine and it's effect on your immune system. Watch if you want. Don't watch if you don't want to be bothered with facts.

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MtMan, Mon Oct 18 2021, 07:29AM

It's all about leftist control and their agenda. We need to speak up more to fight this insanity.

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Nature, Mon Oct 25 2021, 01:43PM

Keep spreading misinformation.
It’s the only thing all of you do well.

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Not Kidding, Mon Oct 25 2021, 01:48PM

Nature you have spread more disinformation than all of "US" put together!!!!!!

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MtMan, Mon Oct 25 2021, 04:43PM

But then, once again, nature cannot specifically say exactly what "misinformation" we are spreading. Unlike when we used to point out her misinformation without getting one single specific reply. Please just STFU or contribute with an actual dialogue, you know, where you say something back and then we say something back, SPECIFICALLY.

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MtMan, Mon Oct 25 2021, 04:43PM

blob:https://odysee.com/c1ffc7fb- 8a76-4f91-876c-c694b0a7945a

Watch this 30 second video. Some "misinformation" for you.

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MtMan, Mon Oct 25 2021, 05:06PM

[Click Here]

2:20 minute video on how this professor was fired because of this insane and communist "mandate" of having to take the chinese flu vaccine, thanks pro-vaxxers, you simply suck. Shame on you.

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MtMan, Mon Oct 25 2021, 05:08PM

[Click Here]

Just a quick twitter post to read.

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Nature, Tue Oct 26 2021, 11:34PM

You can find all the bull crap you hunt for on the Internet.
Why don’t you go to some legitimate sources and read with an open mind instead of looking for anything that suits your falsehoods to try and manipulate vulnerable people. No one has to believe what anyone posts. They should speak with their doctors and research on legitimate educational sites instead of Fox News, who, by the way, are “all” vaccinated while they criticize others for doing exactly what they did, only to continue to divide our nation. If they were so grounded in not being vaccinated, then why did they take the shots? People who are truly committed against vaccines give up livelihoods for their convictions. trump’s entire family was vaccinated, immediately when it came out. He brags loudly about bringing the vaccines to the American people but refuses to tell them to get vaccinated because he loves their ignorant adulation and won’t upset their applecarts.
Get the vaccine, get the virus and become immune or go to the hospital and possibly end your lives but do it quick so we can get on with normalcy.

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Cornbread, Wed Oct 27 2021, 06:16AM

Nature, first off I do not watch fox news or any other news. I do my own research. You should try it. 2nd, the Dr's and hospitals are paid bonuses for getting their patients to get vaccines and other treatments. My friends wife is a PA and she is about to quit and start her own practice because she is disgusted at how the hospitals are run. 3rd. The vaccines don't work. Even if you get the shot and still wear a mask you can still get the virus. I know someone who got the vaccine and she still got the virus 3x.

Nature, I'm pretty sure that you got the vaccine, right? If so do you still wear a mask because you are afraid that you will get the virus? If so, why do you care if anyone else gets the shot. They can still get COVID and spread it to others including the people that are vaccinated. Plus there have been many side affects and even death from the vaccine. I am good using my bodies natural immunity. It has got me this far.

If a Dr were to find a cure for terminal cancer, do you think Big Pharma and the government would give it to every cancer patient for free and even offer prizes just to get curried? I sure don't

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You of all people have no business suggesting others don`t do any research!
YOU have been REGURGITATING Coolaid News Network`s (CNN) SPEW over and over again with no fact checking, the only card you have to play is "it`s all Trump`s fault!"

You and others still refuse to address all of the legit questions we have been asking for over a year now, all you do is play the Trump card!

Back to your Coolaid and Cat Turds....


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Not Kidding, Wed Oct 27 2021, 08:55AM

There you go again Nature, more falsehoods, FOX news is NOT mandating vaccines for their people - employees have the option to do testing if they don't want the vaccine, FOX news is requiring employees to submit their vaccine status, but again, NOT mandating vaccines. You should do more fact checking - you know like you tell everyone else to do.

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MtMan, Wed Oct 27 2021, 08:59AM

And, once again, the leftist cat queen gives us a laugh. It's Trump's fault...

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Skier, Thu Oct 28 2021, 03:55PM


Maybe you should join PETA.

They need all the support they can get in the fight against animal research.



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MtMan, Thu Oct 28 2021, 06:41PM

I highly suggest all you patriots go to the school board meeting this coming Wednesday to show your support for the school board to reject this insane mandate of vaccinating children. This should be the parent's choice, not the damn government. Meeting at 5:30 p.m., people showing g up at 4 p.m. There is a letter that you can turn in to the board stating your support for freedom. Letter can be downloaded on Facebook group Big Bear Patriots. Or, there will be copies available to sign there. FJB

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Cornbread, Wed Nov 03 2021, 06:22AM

If are still one of the people that think Dr. Fauci is a great guy and really trying to keep us protected, than you need to pull your head out of your ass and start doing your own research. Did you know that Fauci and his scientists used scalps from aborted babies between 18 and 20 weeks of pregnancy to create “humanized” mice and rats to study the human immune system. The researchers described it as “full-thickness human skin.” And people still think that it is OK to abort a unborn baby at that age. Also Fauci's health agency has now admitted to cutting beagle puppies' vocal cords to shut them up while they were "slowly eaten alive." The National Institutes of Health is defending itself after shocking images were widely circulated showing beagle puppies being eaten alive by sandflies in experiments allegedly funded by the NIH. 2.

Please do your own research and don't believe what you see on the news. I copied and pasted this off of a google search.

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MtMan, Wed Nov 03 2021, 09:41AM

Great idea but I doubt that the research would be attempted. It doesn't fit the leftist narrative, sad.

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MtMan, Wed Nov 03 2021, 09:44AM

BTW, today is the school board meeting g at 5:30. Please consider being there in support of PARENTS deciding for their children whether or not to get the jab. Say no to more control by the government. Try to show up at around 4.

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MtMan, Thu Nov 04 2021, 11:57AM

Great turnout yesterday, over 400 people that are against the "mandate" that would force the "vaccine" into children over 5.

Here is something for you all to ponder:





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MtMan, Thu Nov 04 2021, 12:02PM

[Click Here]

Hey, watch this short little video, this woman sounds a lot like someone we all know here that comments from time to time, without naming names. MAO

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Cornbread, Thu Nov 04 2021, 01:12PM

Is that a Nature-al way of thinking? HAHA

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Squatch, Thu Nov 04 2021, 02:00PM

CLASSIC NATURE !

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Nature, Wed Nov 10 2021, 11:46PM

You know....NK... I never respond to your posts because they are all pretty much the same old crap.
Where in my post do you see fox mandated vaccines.
Jesus, please help this Lame Brain!
As always you people make crap up and call it the truth.
Pathetic.

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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Nov 11 2021, 08:11AM



Yea Democrats are crazy huh?

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MtMan, Thu Nov 11 2021, 05:44PM

Crap up? Hey, take some laxative to help with that, lame brain, laugh of the day, thanks.





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Nature, Wed Nov 17 2021, 01:02AM

Blah Blah Blah.
You’re not going to change anything with your BS.

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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Nov 17 2021, 06:17AM

We will with our numerous lawsuits.....

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MtMan, Wed Nov 17 2021, 06:17AM

Yup, don't respond to the points brought up, so typical.

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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Nov 18 2021, 08:00AM




Looks like we did something Nature...

[Click Here]

OSHA has suspended the Vaccine Mandate. Weird, I thought you said we couldn't do anything....

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mountainart, Thu Nov 18 2021, 09:08AM

When peole are shown that their views are wrong, and remain silent withoit posting an admission, it reveals a lot about their overall character.

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MtMan, Thu Nov 18 2021, 03:39PM

Exactly, well said.

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MtMan, Sat Nov 20 2021, 05:04PM

[Click Here]

FDA requests the courts to wait until 2076 to publish the Pfizer vaccine data. Does this sound good to you?

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[Click Here]

Perfect! 2 minute video

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Nature, Tue Nov 23 2021, 06:27PM

You don’t care about the US or you would contribute to the economy recovering and citizens to stay healthy.
You don’t want recovery to happen because it will make President Biden look good so you continue to stand in the way of the recovery by lying and with scare tactics, to keep impressionable people from getting inoculated against this disease. Shame on you all.
It is crystal clear what most republicans are trying to do.
You blame President Biden for a situation he inherited from the outright deliberate manipulation of trying to force people to blow off this pandemic like it will magically disappear. Now we are left with the results created by the last administration. Over 7,500,000 people, and counting, have been virtually murdered by trump. If he had won the election, thank God he didn’t, all of you would be getting vaccinated because he would want the economy to recover and would push vaccines which you all would line up to get. It’s all so transparent it’s ridiculous.
Keep up with all your BS because you know who’s getting sick and dying. Ya’ll are.
I recently had a dear friend almost die who had your attitude. Yes, a republican.
He now encourages everyone to get vaccinated.
Why? Because he wouldn’t want anyone to have to endure what he went through including his family and his friends constantly asking for daily updates, praying, and begging that he be spared. They almost unhooked him but hung in there for a little longer and he miraculously came back. He is getting better and better. We thanked God.
He knows the value of life and those who love him. He is a different person than before he got Covid.
He didn’t have to go through that. None of us did. He chose to learn the hard way and it almost cost him his life.
Good luck ladies and gentlemen.
You think because you are called stupid, ignorant, deliberately obnoxious about all of it, that no one cares about you.
Those of us who fight this pandemic and want the country to heal, care about everyone. We cannot seem to reach you so it turns to anger and frustration because we care more about your mortal lives than you do. We care more about others mortal lives than you do.
For those of you that may still be reached, get vaccinated.
Save those close to you from the chances of suffering, hospitalization and possibly death. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.



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MtMan, Tue Nov 23 2021, 07:24PM

Dear God in heaven, please help these leftists realize just how blinded by the red fog to see the truth. They are just plain ignorant to ignore facts but some just will refuse to respond to specific points and blame whomever they are told to. Please help these leftists to see the evil and twisted ways they support. Mow, either pray and/or get some professional help, for your own sake. F evil.

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Cornbread, Wed Nov 24 2021, 09:09AM

Gibralter, a British territory has 33,691 people that live there. The entire population is vaccinated, 100%. They are in reality an excellent control group in the true sense of research. In the last week, without any introduction of ill outsiders they are having a huge uptick in cases (147 just this weekend). It is due to the vaccinated and spike proteins. The immune system of many who have been vaccinated are impacted and do not function correctly. Do research other than the MSM and those who have a vested financial interest in this scam. Phizer is Not your advocate. Ronald Reagan was correct when he said the scariest words in the world are "I'm from the government and I am here to help" I would add they are a huge lie.

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MtMan, Mon Nov 29 2021, 04:52PM

BTW, the first 4 patients with this "new variant" were all FULLY VACCINATED.

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NShore.Allen, Mon Nov 29 2021, 07:37PM

The world health organization (WHO) has the privilege to name the virus variants. They decided to use the Greek alphabet [Click Here] to avoid geographical or other sensitive names such as the variant that came from India was labeled “delta”, the third letter in the Greek alphabet.

The latest is omicron, the 15th letter, but its really the 13th variant. The WHO skipped two letters, one is Nu, which makes sense (Nu new virus is redundant)

Any guess why they skipped Xi?


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MrOwl, Mon Nov 29 2021, 07:38PM

Nature, how many deaths in the US last year prior to the vaccine versus this year post vaccine?
Explain again why we should get the vaccine.

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Nature, Tue Nov 30 2021, 12:49AM

2020 352000
2021 353000 and counting.
So what does this mean to you?
February 2020, trump says “Everything is under control”.
Nothing to be concerned about, we are told by trump.
About mid March stay home order. No biggie by trump.
April, we were asked to wear masks any time we went out.
trump refuses and his followers follow suit, spreading the virus more.
May, an attempt to start reopening business with limitations. trump is on a quest to open everything with no restrictions. CDC etc disagree.
June cases increased. trump- says “it will miraculously disappear.” trump says “stop testing snd case numbers will go down”. Did he say DUH!
So, you are looking at 10 months of 2020, with 3 of those months in lock down, while the hospitals, treating Covid patients, were over run. 2021, not as much but now cases are increasing again.
Refrigerator trucks were temporary morgues. Not now.
2022 Thanksgiving results are not showing up yet.
Businesses in 2020 were closed down completely.
Not now.
We only have about 195 million fully vaccinated, out of 330 million. Only 20% of fully vaccinated people have gotten their boosters.
The vaccine effectiveness wains in about 6 months.
With the flu you need yearly shots to “help” prevent yourself from getting it. .
Get the vaccine. It does not guarantee everyone will not get Covid. It does prevent severe cases if you get the shot, until the vaccine immunization naturally wains. How long does the booster last? It only just started so they don’t have a definitive answer yet.
Why get the vaccine?
It’s a personal choice.
I would rather get a shot, which takes a few moments with an appointment, and sometimes none needed, than miss work and or not feel good for however long and or need to be hospitalized and or have to be put on a ventilator for however long. If you recover from the worst case scenario, physical therapy is needed for however long and it could be months and months.
Then you start to get the medical bills, while you are still trying to recover plus pay your normal bills, participate in normal activities, not be s huge burden on your family and go back to work, if you even have a job afterwards. Then there can be some after effects of recovery. A patient had s double lung transplant. Other effects can be future kidney dialysis, impaired brain function, weakened heart muscle and more. Not everyone goes through these effects but do you want to chance it? Yes? Sure, until it happens to you or your family or friends.
A little stick in your arm and boosters in 6 months until this is over. The way it is going now, with all the new and expected variants because too many people aren’t vaccinated, that could be years and years.
1 in 5000 got breakthrough infections before the vaccine immunity was wearing off. Those who don’t get boosters face a 1 in 100 chances of getting a breakthrough infection. Get your boosters. We can go back to 1 in 5000 breakthrough infections for vaccinated people.
All the misinformation poured from the internet to scare gullible people into believing it could sterilize you, they believe this is a planned genocide, they believe you become magnetized, they believe you are injected with a chip manufactured by Bill Gates. This pandemic could carry this on and on and on.
I’ll keep getting the vaccine and feel sorry for those who choose to lose loved ones.
“That’s why” we should participate in doing this patriotic act for our country.




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MrOwl, Tue Nov 30 2021, 05:27AM

Nature hat book you wrote only explains it isn't a "real vaccine but more like a flu shot. Don't get those either but keep trying.

Guess we should just stay locked down forever.

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mountainart, Tue Nov 30 2021, 09:16AM

Nature, why do you keep typing about Trump? And not a single item about actual current situation? Trump was a year ago...... Nothing to do with current situation.

We have natiral immunity now. Had to travel to Japan last month for a new art commission. Since I and my family caught covid in aug of 2020( mild fever, loss of smell, dizzy, for about 2 weeks, wife and daughter exhibited zero symptoms, but tested positive) we knew that we had now a strong imminity. I was given the Genscript CPass test. After 14 months, levels of neutralization was 844. It was explained to me that my "B" cells (I might not be remembering the exact terminology correctly) covid response is near a permanent level to fight off any subsequent attempt ny covid to make me sick.

Biden white house is now floating the use of these results as a "passport". (CNN, nov 24 story).

I have always been against govt overreach and tyrrany of oppressing the mamy, to protect the few at risk. I would rather see govt take 1/10th of the money spent and economic value destroyed in the lockdowns to instead properly protect those at risk, seeing as 99.6% of people who have caught covid did not even get hospitalized(CDC own figurws, released earlier last week).

Your methodology of getting the vaccine, with(now becoming stated by Fauci, and govt) that you need to get regular boosters every few months for the rest of your life, as long as covid travels globally, constantly mutating. With the actual death rate versus people who have contracted it and survived now approaching near seasonal flu levels, according to the FOIA release from CDC last week, what do you plan to do in the future? I am guessing that you will become one of the people who go in every year/bi annually for the rest of your life, to get both regular flu shot, and covid shot?

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mountainart, Tue Nov 30 2021, 09:45AM

Nature, you wrote "The way it is going now, with all the new and expected variants because too many people aren’t vaccinated, that could be years and years."

With CDC numbers now showing vaccinated still getting the virus, and contract tracing showing that stll developing viral loads that cause others to get covid, you are going to need to use enforced isolation a control lockdown way of dealing with covid to be able to eliminate covid, just lile std virus is dealt with to prevent infection..... Total global isolation for years.

Unvaccinated as you typed it is missing an important third group....unvaccinated qho got covid and now have natural immunity. New York City is now showing almost half of population showing ;mmunity antibodies, in the small portion of the population that saw the need to get tested. Extrapolation into rest of asymptomatic cases suggest that massive majority of population now have immunity, and will not get hospitalization level sick from covid, just like current annual flu.

In light of this evidence, that even Fauci yesterday acknowledged, what is your position on current LA and other county vaccine passport requirements? What is your position on mask theater(where 99.999% of people only wear the token, non virus mitigating masks(Israel, and EU studies results on transmisability and infection rates amongst masked people at public venie events?))

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mountainart, Tue Nov 30 2021, 09:47AM

Sorry for typos, venue, not venie....

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Nature, Thu Dec 02 2021, 05:08PM

MArt
I was answering a question Mr Owl asked me specifically.
It doesn’t make sense to make opposing statements on things I haven’t said or things that I objectively did say.
I read these things on this forum all the time.
If dnyone wants to know what I actually explained in my response to Mr Owl. Don’t stop short or conflict what isn’t there.

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mountainart, Thu Dec 02 2021, 05:11PM

How about responding to the direct questions I asked you days ago?

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Nature, Thu Dec 02 2021, 11:42PM

Ok MArt
From what I see you asked me why do I talk about trump.
I think what I said was worth pointing out.
I cannot understand why people, knowing all they these things are absolute facts, still think he walks on water. He set our country back so far, for 4 miserable years, it’s hard to catch up to competing countries. Because this is the pandemic and he is responsible for the health and safety of American citizens, the confirmation he had Covid when he debated President Biden, held a huge rally and a congratulatory bash on the White House lawn for his latest pick for the Supreme court, where so many attendees got Covid themselves while there, it’s impossible to grasp why he has “any” followers at all. So all we can do is point out what a disaster our country is heading for should he ever be elected for anything again.
Don’t give me the crap about his second test being negative. He manipulates everything. He refused to have the required Covid test just before the debate and of course FOX, holding the debate, let him get away with it.
When the debate was going on I looked at him and said to my company, trump is sick. It was written all over him. He looked sick. Greasy sweaty facial skin. He coughed. It was so obvious. 3 days later he is put in the hospital with Covid. Right.
Your other question, will I get vaccines when needed. Well, you answered your own question.
The last question. Any mask in a crowded place is better than none.
I visited my doctor because I didn’t feel well for a day or two had s slight fever. No real biggie was determined. I asked if I were going to get tested and was told “if I wanted to”. Yes, I prefer knowing so I don’t infect s possibly vulnerable person. It was negative as the doctor thought. But I could rest easy.
It’s too bad more of you don’t feel this way. It’s like ... ok, so what. We infect people and a few die. No biggie.
Unless it’s someone you love and could have been prevented with a simple vaccination. Your choice.
Stay safe.

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MtMan, Wed Dec 08 2021, 05:51PM

Official Data shows Deaths of male Children are up 54% since they were offered the Covid-19 Vaccine

An investigation of official ONS data has revealed that since the Covid-19 vaccine was offered and administered to kids in England and Wales there has been a 54% rise in deaths among male children compared to the same period in 2020.

The UK’s Medicine and Healthcare product Regulatory Agency (MHRA) have openly admitted that they suspect myocarditis and pericarditis are potential side effects of the Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines, especially among young males. A suspicion that has been strong enough for the UK Medicine Regulator to officially add warnings about myocarditis and pericarditis to the safety labels of the Covid-19 vaccines.

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, whereas pericarditis is inflammation of the protective sacs surrounding the heart. Both are extremely serious conditions due to the vital role the heart plays in keeping a person alive, and the fact that the heart muscle cannot regenerate. Serious myocarditis can lead to cardiac arrest and knock years off a persons life.

Complete article: [Click Here]

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MtMan, Wed Dec 08 2021, 05:56PM

National School Board member stating the following: (Reminds me of someone that posts here, guess who...frickin socialist)





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Cornbread, Thu Dec 09 2021, 08:31AM

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MtMan, Thu Dec 09 2021, 10:26AM

Isn't it interesting to note just who is exempt from this regime's "vaccine" mandate?

Congress (Legislative Branch)
Congressional staff
Judicial Branch (Federal courts and judges)
White House staff
CDC employees
FDA employees
U.S. Post Office employees
"Dr." Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease employees
Pfizer employees
Moderna employees
Illegal Aliens

Makes you wonder, no?

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Nature, Sun Dec 12 2021, 11:37PM

You guys are pathetic. You are “only” fooling yourselves.
Keep it up. There will be less of you to pollute the world.

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Cornbread, Mon Dec 13 2021, 06:04AM


Your right, there will be less of us to pollute the world. But only after the vaccinated start turning into zombies and start coming after us to eat our brains. The zombie apocalypse is coming. HAHAHA

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Is someone here named Heather?

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Nature, Tue Dec 14 2021, 09:31PM

Ooooo Billy.
Careful...
You are starting to show your hand. 🎵
doo doo
doo doo doo doo
doo. doo
AHHHH HAA HAA HAA HAA HA!!!

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Socalman, Wed Dec 15 2021, 08:36AM

Please check my math. Population of the USA according to the 2020 census is 330.4 million. It was just announced that since the onset of covid we just hit 800,000 deaths from covid. That means your risk of dying from covid-19 is .......wait for it........0.00242 percent. That assumes that the ALL the covid deaths, including the 88 year old man with diabetes and heart problems, actually died FROM covid, not WITH covid.

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Not Kidding, Wed Dec 15 2021, 09:41AM

What in the hell does this have to do with ANYTHING!???!!




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mountainart, Wed Dec 15 2021, 09:54AM

CDC now publishes thatv"Estimated 95% of population in America has covid antibodies."

So basically, a year ago, people were masking to prevent all americans from getting covid, but virtually everybody now has covid antibodies, which includes virtually all unvaxed and vaxed. Death rates now of people dying with covid in their systems now lower than annual flu.

Yet newsome just mandated masking up again. Hmm......

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mountainart, Wed Dec 15 2021, 09:56AM

That backs up the figures socapsnowman just posted.

Basically inferrable that everyone in America has already gotten covid, either thrpugh natural transmission, or through vax injection. Yet, no mass casualties this winter so far........

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Cornbread, Thu Dec 16 2021, 06:38AM

Nature, look what you Lord and Savior is now saying. Are you gonna continue to get booster shots?




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Not Kidding, Sat Dec 18 2021, 10:06AM

You can be sure the idiot known as Leonard DiCaprio has already lined up for his 3rd shot, and is likely salivating for his 4th.

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Cornbread, Mon Dec 20 2021, 05:52AM

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Not Kidding, Mon Dec 20 2021, 01:48PM

And just like that! Bingo, Bango, Bongo - the word 'mandate" has magically disappeared from the Biden Bozos' mouths - the new buzz word is now REQUIREMENT - what a crock 'of sh*t!! Just wait til Biden's covid speech tomorrow - he is going to shoot for the moon on restrictions, inflicting maximum pain on the unvaccinated - DON'T SAY WE DIDN'T TELL YOU!! TIME FOR THE UPRISING TO GET SERIOUS, REALLY TIRED OF THIS CRAP!!

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MtMan, Mon Dec 20 2021, 08:38PM

But, but, but but, but, but, it's Trump's fault..........

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Cornbread, Tue Dec 21 2021, 09:44AM

And don't forget to stay away from your family during the holidays

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Cornbread, Wed Dec 22 2021, 01:38PM

What happened to the Delta variant? I haven't heard anything about it for a while. Did it go bye bye because of the cure all vaccine? Well what about the people who won't get the shot? I guess our natural immune system kicked that virus in the butt too.

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NShore.Allen, Wed Dec 22 2021, 02:14PM

Wait until you are forced to succumb to the hysteria and, on orders from your wife, you venture out to find scarce “at home” test kits just so you can go to your sister in laws Christmas Eve.

CVS has a two kit max and we needed 4.. made two runs. Everyone tested negative so it looks like we are good to go.

I was hoping a false positive would have been my “get out of jail free” card.

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Bummer, no get out of jail card for you. If my SIL required a test she would not be honored by my presence. Most of my family other than the young nieces and nephews would not ask.

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Not Kidding, Wed Dec 22 2021, 04:05PM

Just get your boosters, wear your masks, and be as scared as a,good little sheep can be!

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Squatch, Wed Dec 22 2021, 04:43PM

UNCLE JOE SAYS, "EVERYONE JUST SHUT UP AND....OBEY!"
Or, as our parents would say, "because I said so!"

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MtMan, Wed Dec 22 2021, 05:00PM

Forced to succumb? F that. Just had our newest granddaughter born and their parents will not let anyone see the baby until you take a test AND wear a mask. I simply told them I will wait until you two are done with the idiocy, which will be in 5 weeks. No submission from me, I will simply wait it out, the new one won't know the difference anyways. Meanwhile, their other child and father come over to our house and visit. Somehow, the china flu can't travel with them back home. So dumb.

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NShore.Allen, Wed Dec 22 2021, 05:42PM

I actually enjoyed the process as there was a small possibility we would have to "self isolate", yada yada.. at least an excuse to shelter from the storm. But as many know

I sucumb plenty: Happy wife, happy life. Merry Christmas.

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MtMan, Wed Dec 22 2021, 06:04PM

To each their own...

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Cornbread, Thu Dec 23 2021, 02:04PM

Nature, I have another question for you (I doubt you will answer any of them because you don't have a logical answer). Why isn't your golden boy Biden trying to mandate vaccines to get welfare or food stamps? He seems to only be targeting the people who work. It seems to me that he is really pushing the socialist/communist lifestyle. Where the people who obey and keep obeying will be able to work and the rest of us who don't get the jab have to go on welfare and food stamps.

I really hope that you are seeing that if this keeps going like this, we will be just like Venezuela. Remember it's not a conspiracy theory if it is true. Just like everything we were saying last year.

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Nature, Fri Dec 24 2021, 11:16PM

Merry Christmas. Have a happy, healthy and prosper New Year.

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Silver, Sat Dec 25 2021, 09:41AM

I just spent a few minutes reading the last 10 pages of this thread and I just want to say to the families of the folks who refuse the vaccine, I will be there to donate to your deceased loved ones GoFund me page to help with your expenses.

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MrOwl, Sat Dec 25 2021, 10:07AM



Very generous of you but I've prepaid my expenses. Those of us who prefer freedom don't expect a handout.



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MtMan, Sat Dec 25 2021, 10:26AM

I second that sentiment totally.

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Not Kidding, Sat Dec 25 2021, 11:33AM

Thanks for the sentiment silver, however many people choose not to take the vaccine, here are some of the reasons why:
1. They aren't vaccines, they are experimental, and those persons that choose to take them are participating in the actual trials that are normally performed for years before allowing for use on the general population, this flies in the face of science and our history of not allowing a medication, or drug, to be used without making sure they are safe before giving to people. The definition of a vaccine (before they changed it for these experimental shots) are given to prevent the spread, and prevent persons from contracting the disease, clearly these jabs are doing neither.
2. It is a person's right to refuse any drug or medication, remember the Nuremberg trials?? Dr. Fauci is our current day equivalent of Josef Mengele, a criminal and purveyor of genocide.
3. Some people are allergic to the ingredients in the jabs and are advised by their physician to NOT TAKE THE JAB.
4. Some people have religious objections to taking the jab, our Constitution is there to protect those rights.

What is happening with covid fear mongering is clearly causing mass psychosis, how many people would have thought about responding to any other illness in the manner that they are behaving with this virus? It is unimaginable yet here we are, live your lives people, Merry Christmas!

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Nature, Sun Dec 26 2021, 12:29AM

Silver, you have just entered the twilight zone of many of the same gibberish, blabbing, right wingers and Q freaks who believe an unknown source spouting the very worst psyops known to mankind and the most ludicrous of things happening that never materialize. Kennedy’s gonna show up. They believe it. Only one example.
Trying to help these empty heads is not the objective any longer. The objective is to reach some people who may be on the fence by stating actual facts.
These same regulars spout lies and fantasies with everything they say.
They should keep their thoughts to themselves and only be thought of as stupid, instead of typing hot air and removing all doubt.
I’m here most often with my facts and they pretty much stick together and live on these political threads trying to scare the impressionable.
Silver Thanks for your input.

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Not Kidding, Sun Dec 26 2021, 09:04AM

Nature thank God you're an INTELLECTUAL, good thing you told us or we never would have known!!

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MtMan, Mon Dec 27 2021, 01:02PM

[Click Here]

New Jersey will pay 53 MILLION over the rona deaths at state run veterans homes, yes, keep trusting the government...Oh, this means taxpayers footing the bill once again.

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Cornbread, Wed Dec 29 2021, 06:56AM

Biden caught in another lie. During his campaign he claimed he knew how to stop the coronavirus and that Trump didn't know what he was doing to stop it. Trump was saying that there was nothing the Federal Government could do, that the Governors had to manage their own crisis. Now almost a year into his time in office, Biden obviously doesn't know what to do. He has WAY more coronavirus deaths on his watch. Biden even said the other day that there is no Federal solution. So Biden just admitted that he doesn't have the authority and he doesn't know how to fix what he claimed he could fix as soon as he became President.

Hey Nature, You should be either be hating Biden now or starting to realize that Trump knew what he was doing and he was really helping America because Biden has sure found that out. There have been multiple things that Biden overturned when he took office that he has now put back to what Trump already had.

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Nature, Thu Dec 30 2021, 11:24PM

trump finally got on the train with vaccines and was booed for it by you anti-vaxers. He was really surprised anyone of his followers would boo him for anything .
He wants all the credit for forcing Pfizer to make this vaccine all the while not promoting it’s usage to save lives, until right now. I suppose all of you will take him off your favorites list now. The only problem with him taking credit is the fact he only purchased 30 thousand shots for 330,000,000 people because he was getting out of office and knew it. His plan was to make it more difficult for President Biden thinking the US wouldn’t be able to secure more for our citizens. It is exactly what he thought. He said it in one of his hundreds of TV addresses. He said he wouldn’t be able to get more because Pfizer had promised shots to other countries and if he wanted more he should have ordered more up front prior to Pfizer’s other obligations. I know what you will all say because you always forget what you don’t want to admit watching.
Finally trump does something good for our country even if he only did it to glorify himself. Like always.

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mountainart, Sat Jan 01 2022, 02:56PM

Just released data, covid hospitalizations now, of unvaccinated if separated into categories, shows vast majority listed as obese. Healthy, no comorbidities, or obesity or immune system issues hospitalizations of unvaccinated nearing a rounding error last 4 weeks.



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mountainart, Sun Jan 02 2022, 11:11AM

Biden admonistration pushing a correct fact that covid infections are up over 1000% in florida on december. Sounds very alarming and scary, panic inducing.

Biden admin somehow conveniently "forgets to mention in the last week, several days where there were ZERO deaths in florida due to covid. 3 deaths total, all over 80 years old, with PREEXISTING conditions.

Boots, please tell us (with facts to back up)why we should still be panicking? And shutting down businesses, destroying livelihoods, jobs, and childrens in school education? Death rate from omicron now lower than annual flu. Please defend why you don't seem to care about " protecting" us from annual flu, when it has caused more deaths in the last month, on a percentage basis than covid?

To not be called a hypocrite, one should apply their standards equally across the board. We look forward to your upcoming posts telling us all to isolate and mask up to prevent this upcoming winter seasons flu deaths.

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mountainart, Tue Jan 04 2022, 05:47PM

Just look at the cdc graph that shows the percent of people that died from covid overall who were 50 pounds + heavier than the ideal weight for height and age.

Close to 65% who were 30 pounds heavier, 80% for those who were morbidly obese. The number of people who had no co-conditions when you take out the obese, and over 85, is about 5% of all people who died from covid.

600 children under age 18 died from covid since start of pandemic,(cdc website figures) of those, 61% were obesity driven, 25% comorbidities, 11% other medical related issues, and 3% natural immune system weaknesses or failures. 20 children died from "covid-only". To put this into perspective, 900 children drowned last year.

Kids vaccine mandates. To save fewer healthy kids from dying than get hit by lightning.
One onethousandth of the number of kids who died from obesity.

Absolutely hypocritical to focus on covid, and not put a ban on causes of obesity(which are entirely preventable by lifestyle choices). It has been for the past several years no longer acceptable among woke to call out obese people on their destructive eating and exercize habits, now that 60% of americans are classified as grossly obese.

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Not Kidding, Tue Jan 04 2022, 06:19PM

And never forget - the anagram for Omicron is MORONIC

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Not Kidding, Wed Jan 05 2022, 06:20PM

God forbid if any of us catches the latest virus farce called FLURONA, COME ON PEOPLE (AND SHEEPLE), WAKE THE HELL UP AND PUT A STOP TO THIS NONSENSE!!!!!

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NShore.Allen, Wed Jan 05 2022, 08:25PM

Super Bowl may move from LA to Texas.

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What is this super bowl you speak of?

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Cornbread, Wed Jan 12 2022, 06:11AM

This guy's comment said it best: Leon Schlesinger Among all the vaccines I have known in my lifybe – diphtheria, tetanus, measles, rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis, meningitis and tuberculosis – up until now I had never seen a vaccine where a person was forced to wear a mask and maintain their social distance, even when they were fully vaccinated. I had never heard of a vaccine that spreads the disease even after vaccination. I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated. I’d never seen discrimination for those who didn't. No one ever tried to eviscerate someone if they weren’t vaccinated. I had never seen a vaccine that threatens relationships between family, colleagues and friends. I had never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or school. I had never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent. After all the vaccines I listed above, up until the last year or so, I had never seen a vaccine that discriminates, divides and judges as it tightens it’s noose on the social fabric of society. And the vaccines introduced in the last one to two years are powerful vaccines, doing all these things except one...IMMUNISATION. • And if we still need a booster dose after we are fully vaccinated. • And we still need to get a negative test after we are fully vaccinated. • And we still need to wear a mask after we are fully vaccinated. • And still be hospitalized after we have been fully vaccinated. It's time for us to admit that we've been COMPLETELY DECEIVED along with control, forced compliance and active communism !!!!

Hey Nature I would really like to hear your spin on this. Please for once respond to what is being asked of you and there is NO WAY you can blame this on Trump, so don't even try.

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mountainart, Wed Jan 12 2022, 07:24PM

Well, since 99% of the people who got original covid never even got sick enough to feel like they had to go to the hospital, I would posit that the vaccines do not "lessen" symptoms. Now, govt has to acknowledge that omicron is just basically no different than a cold. Good news is, basically we ahould be now to herd immunity threshhold

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Nature, Wed Jan 12 2022, 09:53PM

Unless someone is saying exactly what you want to hear talking to you is useless. Now even trump is admitting the vaccines work the way they are intended- to save lives. That’s all. Up to 90%, of those who are dying from Covid infections , are unvaccinated. I’ve explained the dynamics ad nauseam, and you people continue to spread disinformation. I don’t know what your point is but more and more people are catching on to your drivel and turning their backs on you. Finally.

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Cornbread, Thu Jan 13 2022, 07:21AM

In 1960 it was revealed that some of the cells used to make the polio vaccine could cause cancer. Between 1955 and 1963, nearly 100 million children were given this vaccine.

I wonder why they aren't releasing the findings of the Coronavirus vaccine for 75 years.

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mountainart, Thu Jan 13 2022, 07:28AM

Yes, as the cdc data tells, if you are over 70, or obese, with several co morbidities, you are in the group who would benefit from being vaccinated. For the rest of the 99.9% of the population, being vaxxed should be a choice up to you, as data clearly shows that your body will treat it similarly to a common cold.

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MtMan, Thu Jan 13 2022, 09:37AM

For you leftists here:





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Cornbread, Thu Jan 13 2022, 02:00PM

The Supreme Court has blocked Biden's vaccine mandate

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Not Kidding, Sun Jan 16 2022, 02:39PM

Where is the outrage from those fully vaccinated and boosted people? Why aren't they speaking up about being totally lied to and bamboozled over and over again? And why, why, why, do they continue to follow like lemmings the ongoing instructions from the CDC and the government to stay afraid, line up for tests, and live like scared victims?
I simply cannot understand the mindset that seems to have overtaken the masses in this obvious scamdemic, plandemic - it is truly mind blowing - I just don't get it!

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Nature, Mon Jan 17 2022, 11:24PM

You’re right Mtnart. I appreciate your saying older or obese with other things wrong with them and others who are immunocompromised at any age are st risk. The only reason older people are at risk is because as we see things can go wrong far more often than when we are young.
Explain that to those who make mindless statements like “plandemic” or “scamdenic” or hoax or just the flu or just a cold. Many people get Covid and no big deal. Others get really sick but not hospitalized. Some have it and have “no”symptoms. They are the most dangerous of all. Going to visit someone vulnerable and make their life hell or kill them. Right wingers don’t care. I don’t know how they were skipped for the compassionate gene but they were.
Our former trump brought this MRNA vaccine to us snd he believes in it because it generally saves lives. About 20% of vaccinated will get Covid for any number of reasons. Only one dose, no booster, weakened state, other immune issues etc. they are trying to stop the over run hospitals who handle Covid. I have family who caught Covid. Vaccinated but not boosted, his girlfriend got it with him and the 18 Month old she cares for got it. They all lived. They were all very ill, worrying loved ones to a frazzle.
Scientists have had two years to study the few variants we have had and are still learning as this progresses. The more people vaccinated the more live and less get sick. Unfortunately, as always. People get dick snd keep quiet and go to work, refuse to isolate, or Tsnke any precautionary measures to protect others who may be more vulnerable. Those of you who do this are the cause our country is in such dire straits. Incredibly unpatriotic, outright self absorbed and borderline sociopathic. Definitely deaf, dumb and blind.

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mountainart, Tue Jan 18 2022, 07:56AM

Just released numbers from CDC, with new parsed categories, 800,000 people died With covid, not because Of Covid. Of those over 700,000 were with pre existing co morbisities that in previous years wpuld have been listed as death by those diseases. Overall yearly deaths 2021, as compared to 2019, almost the same overall. Why is that, if Covid CAUSED all rhose eldwrly sick and obese people to die? Why is that answer hidden when you google it, but appears when you use duckduckgo?

Number of people who died Because of Covid, alone. 23,000

Less than annual flu.

Yet, until media scare tactics brainwashed the mentally slow, emotionally based rhinkers, to be afraid of it, we just accepted annual flu deaths as part of the human condition.

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Van, Tue Jan 18 2022, 09:13AM

This is not true, there have been more excess deaths in the USA than the COVID deaths documented. Just for the first 10 months of COVID there were 522368 excess deaths in the USA 22.9% more than expected in a normal year. This is from JAMA which is a pretty reputable source I would say [Click Here]

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So, you`ve shown that you know how to cut and paste rhetoric form CNN, you`re so intellectual!

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mountainart, Tue Jan 18 2022, 10:02AM

Yes Van, that is correct numbers, but what I was referencing is covid-only listed as cause of death, versus cdc website annual flu-only numbers

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mountainart, Tue Jan 18 2022, 09:10PM

Well, that clinches it. Govt of Denmark, Iceland, others, now showijg stats that show vaccinated now double the covid infection and death rate versus unvaccinated.
[Click Here]

So, they report that a possible reason is the body's own immine response is hurt by the vaccines. The graph shows the numbers in good visual form

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mountainart, Wed Jan 19 2022, 06:30AM

And now Canada can no longer hide the truth, and its health ministry confirms the true numbers.

[Click Here]

Us health organizations and media caught reporting covid infecrions and deaths in those recently vaccinated as "unvaccinated". The reality is that they now confirm that the vaccines suppress the bodies own immine system for several weeks after getting the shots, leading to a spike of infections right after getting " vaccinated".
Actual ratios of hospitalizations and deaths of people in the hospital with covid who have NEVER recieved a vaccine shot are under 20% of the cases.
So it is actually the vaccinated that are putting themselves at risk, but since that runs counter to the govt political agenda, that info was attempted to be labeled by willing accomplices like facebook, social media, sycophant news media, and google, etc as "fake" news, and quietly deleted. An Israeli study also just released showing the vaccines are most likely the actual cause of the covid numbers spike in hospitalizations and death.
The narrative finally has broken, and can no longer be denied. As the numbers come in, it shows that the actual healthy people with the strongest resistance to covid are the.....surprise....... those with natural immunity, or who got immunity by catching covid before and are unvaxxed.

It is incredible that govt for the last year has pushed a narrative that literally is opposite to what actually is shown by the data that is now coming out because it can no longer be buried.

As stated before, you can see with your own eyes, by comparing search results with a govt controlled search engine like google, and duckduckgo or aloha. I predict that now that the dam holding back the sheer number of data showing reality has been breached, the public nareative will finally change, and there will be a huge revolt by the vaxxed duped sheeple.

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MrOwl, Wed Jan 19 2022, 07:12AM

Good finds mountainart

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mountainart, Wed Jan 19 2022, 12:53PM

Well, finally.......the dam of govt lies has finally broke, now CDC is finally publishing the hidden data metrics which show the rates were substantially lower among people with previous Covid, including around 29 times (California) and 15 times lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, compared to those who were unvaccinated and without prior Covid
[Click Here]


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MtMan, Wed Jan 19 2022, 06:37PM

Thanks for providing actual facts, unlike some here...

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Cornbread, Fri Jan 21 2022, 06:44AM

Hey Nature, are you OK with this? That the gov't is immune to the virus or are you finally seeing that us so called conspiracy theorists have been right all along.



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Nature, Mon Jan 24 2022, 12:29AM

Corn. You finally found something to post that we actually agree on .Everyone has choices. We can’t force needles into peoples arms as that would be illegal.
If any company or someone that one works for decides that they want all of their employees vaccinated or tested that employee has the choice to stay or go. It’s their right. No government has the right to tell a woman or a man what to do with their body. We live in a country that is a democracy where we have the right to choose who to put in office. It’s called voting. No government has the right to hinder that process. I don’t give a crap what excuses are used.

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Cornbread, Mon Jan 24 2022, 07:31AM

I'm glad we finally agree on something and I agree with you that No government has the right to tell a woman or a man what to do with their body. But our current democratic government thinks different. I live in Idaho which is a red state and we still live free. We are free to wear a mask if we choose and we are free to get the shot if we choose. There is no discrimination. That's the way it should be. But unfortunately I have to make trips to Seattle children's hospital more that I want. Washington is a very blue state and not very free. They make it very hard for the unvaxxed to live freely. Most businesses require their employees to get the shot or get weekly tests on their own dime. We wanted to go out to dinner while in Seattle but found out that the restaurants only let you in if you have a vax card or a negative test result from the last 72 hours. We finally found a restaurant in Redmond that we could go to but we had to eat outside. We were the only one's out there and our service was horrible.

So these choice's you say everyone has, is either choose to be vaccinate like the government tells you to, which no one knows what the long term affects will be and it is even proven that it doesn't work. Thats why you have to keep getting boosters (that don't work either) so you can live freely, pay to get tested a couple times a week or do what you think is right for your own body but feel like we have a yellow star on our shirts and be discriminated against. That is not how the government should treat it citizens. Either way they all sound like communism.

Here are Hitlar's 4 steps to Dehumanizing the Jews. See if any of this is sounding familiar;

1. Prejudice
I don't think I need to explain what the prejudice against the Jews and unvaxxed are. You already should know this.

2. Scapegoating
The Nazis scapegoated the Jews, blaming them for every societal problem in German society. They published an enormous quantity of propaganda that blamed the Jews for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults that plagued “civilization;” and declared Jews and others untermenschen, or sub-human. These Nazi scapegoating tactics carried prejudice to the next step—from bigotry and bias to blaming.

The government is blaming the unvaxxed for the continuing panDEMic and filling up the hospitals. It has been proven that the vaccine does not work. You can still get the virus and die. If you are vaccinated or not, you have over a 99% chance of not dying from the virus.

3. Discrimination
Jews were required to wear a yellow Star of David sewn onto their outerwear like a badge of shame so others could see and avoid them.

Vax cards to live freely

4. Persecution
Jews were forced from their homes, their valuables confiscated, crowded into ghettoes, homes, businesses and temples lost during Kristallnacht, a two-day pogrom (November 9 and 10, 1938) commonly called the “Night of Broken Glass. According to the Holocaust Encyclopedia:

Let's see what happens here.



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onur6boss, Mon Jan 24 2022, 09:04AM

Are any of you boycotting Carhartt due to the company's vaccine mandate?

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MtMan, Tue Jan 25 2022, 04:46PM

[Click Here]

A detailed report on miscarriages, cancers and neurological problems up since this "vaccine" has been around.

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Cornbread, Wed Jan 26 2022, 11:28AM

Nature, do you see anything wrong with this picture?





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Nature, Fri Jan 28 2022, 10:39PM

Keep trying to push the blame for the continuation of this pandemic on anyone except the unvaccinated.
Now up to 2300 per day dying and they are all your cronies. We will hit 1,000,000 deaths before long. Keep telling your supporters not to vaccinate.
99% of deaths are from the unvaccinated.
Over time this will “die” out with your help.

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mountainart, Sat Jan 29 2022, 07:15PM

Nature, ignoring the stats from cdc, NYC Dept of public health that show that current deaths broken down show that their terminology"unvaccinated" includes people that have been vaxxed, but did not get a third booster shot.

Nature, please tell us the number of people not of advanced age, who did not have comorbidities, ( including morbid obesity) who have died of covid since Dec 1? I will help you, taking global official posted govt numbers, as of Jan 20.

Hint, more people than died of peanut allergies.

Estimates by averaging figures from South Africa, Canada, Israel, England, Germany, and Netherlands study stats collation. Number of people admitted to hospital with covid, versus deaths: (250 deaths seven day average, per 10,000 hospital admittances). Of the 250 deaths, 60% were " unvaccinated"(150 people) which also included people who did not get latest booster shot, or people within several weeks of getting boosted. Number of people who died NEVER having any vaccine shot: 72.

Just over 30% of people hospitalized and dying WITH covid symptoms, not BECAUSE of covid were never vaccinated. Number of people who died who were over 80 years old: 164. Number of people who died between ages of 60 to 80: 58. Number of deaths of people 60 and up who had comorbidities: 222. Number of people between ages of 5 and 60 who died with never getting vaccinated, and had no underlying health issues? <1 per 10,000 hospitalizations. These are per 10,000 hospital admissions, mind you.

Current NY health office stats showing over a 25% positivity rate in testing results. Of those 450,000 tests, 130,000 positive results. Of those positive results, 11,000 were hospitalized (9%). Of those hospitalized, 220 died, 2%.
Of those 220 who died, the number of people under 80, with no comorbidities, and whose death listed as DUE TO Covid? 3. Number of children under 18 who died from covid? ZERO!
Number of never vaccinated under 60 with no co morbidities who died last 30 days? ZERO!



Number of partially vaccinated people who got hospitalized actually greater than number of completely unvaccinated people by greater than 2 to 1. But, number of total population of NYC who are categorized as "fully vacinated/boosted" is less than 60%. So, actual ratio of never vaccinated to fully vaccinated almost even.

Pfizer foia info jist posted shows they KNEW that vaccine did not prevent fully vaccinated from getting covid. Covid cases were almost idenrical between vac and unvac survey stats.

Getting vac did not prevent contracting covid any less than never vacced study control group. Contact tracing in EU totals show that unvacced people who contracted covid did not pass covid to vacced any greater than vacced who got covid and passed it on



Nature's paranoia, fueled by evidently NOT being to actually read and process govt own published numbers is strange. It is precisely this non fact based backing of now ever more obvious govt control malfeasance. Like Newsome mandating all kids be vacced, in spite of our own govt stats showing more kids died last year from choking than covid, yet number of adverse vaccine reactions and complications including myocardia that caused death was two times higher than covid.

Even liberals are finally getting tired of being lied to. I think that in the next month, especially as omicron blows out, and death numbers shrink to fewer people than even societally accepted annual flu, this whole govt control scheme will finally collapse, and the only people still harping against the unvacced will retreat to the same number of fringe liberals that still think defunding the police is a good idea.

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MtMan, Sat Jan 29 2022, 07:33PM

Damn facts...

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mountainart, Sat Jan 29 2022, 08:23PM

Nature, i just gave tje breakdowns of official govt stats. Just who did you hear that "99% of all deaths are unvaccinated?". I would love to know, and go to those stats.

Naw, there could be no way that the media news is lying about that........ Like how they " didn't lie" when they were caught last week with the evidence that despite Pfizer specifically reporting to govt last October that the "Vaccime" didn't prevent vacced who subsequently catching covid passing covid to other vacced, at the SAME RATE as never vacced passed covid to vacced.

Since your postings so vehemently continue to blame the never vacced for spreading covid to vacced people as a majority of percentage, please refute the EU and NYC dept of health contact tracing stats which show no statistical difference. Either their own easily found stats [Click Here]
are lying, or you are repeating liar agenda driven media deliberate truth suppressed politicallly driven hearsay. It is one or the other.

If you don't reply to this easily answered request of you(just post your source links so we can read your "truth", it is an easy conclusion that you don't ever actually post the real truth, as backed up by govt posted figures, and instead rely on media proven liars(like them getting caught deliberately suppressing the fact that vaccine does nothing for transmissability, and instead pushing a known lie narrative last year that the vaccine keeps you from getting covid....... Remember as arcently as a few weeks ago, the media was still trying to label fully vaxxed people coming down with covid as " breakout cases", like it was something rare and unexplainable?

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Trail Rider, Sun Jan 30 2022, 09:29AM

If you haven't been following, you should check out Dr Peter McCullough, Dr Robert Malone, Children's Health Defense and America's Frontline Doctors. All have good info. Many saw this coming as far as MRNA vaccine possibly not reliable or safe. All have been censored. We need sharing of all info so everyone can make informed decisions.

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MtMan, Sun Jan 30 2022, 09:58AM

That is why we post here. Thank you for sharing.

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Trail Rider, Sun Jan 30 2022, 10:03AM

You are welcome!

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Squatch, Sun Jan 30 2022, 12:05PM

The info Nature uses as facts is actually regurgitated rhetoric from CNN/MSNBC, etc..
She is incapable of providing "actual facts," as we all know by now!

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RH_Runner, Mon Jan 31 2022, 05:39AM



Boy, is that the truth!

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Cornbread, Mon Jan 31 2022, 06:31AM


Any President responsible for that many deaths should resign.

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mountainart, Tue Feb 01 2022, 08:46AM

Heres another one for you to refute, Nature.

Reuters news now reporting Ivermectin has always shown antiviral success against covid, and other coronaviruses.

I really believe the final dam of govt and willing media suppression is unsustainable now. It finally is becoming vogue trend by journalists to have guts to finally reveal truths that many here always knew, from the start.

[Click Here]

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Trail Rider, Tue Feb 01 2022, 11:13AM

The truth about ivermectrin and other meds that can help against covid if finally being acknowledged by mainstream. Took way too long. At least this info is getting out now. Will save lives if available.

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Trail Rider, Tue Feb 01 2022, 11:21AM

Now the govt and big pharma need to get out of the way....

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Not Kidding, Tue Feb 01 2022, 01:28PM



I'm afraid that will never happen, they are never going to let go of this opportunity to control every move that anyone makes - UNFORTUNATELY FOR ALL OF US THEY ARE NEVER GONNA LET GO OF THIS POWER GRAB

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Trail Rider, Tue Feb 01 2022, 02:37PM

It's all about the money....

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Not Kidding, Tue Feb 01 2022, 02:41PM

I disagree, it's all about control of the masses, IMHO

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MtMan, Tue Feb 01 2022, 04:04PM

[Click Here]

Article about the current regime urging Pfizer to put out the insane vaccine to UNDER 5 year olds now. You have to be a complete idiot to approve of this as well as under 12. Oh, and F communism.

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Not Kidding, Tue Feb 01 2022, 04:32PM

Our corrupt FDA officially fully approved the Moderna vaccine, evil murderers all of them!!!

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Trail Rider, Tue Feb 01 2022, 05:02PM

Yes, that too.

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Trail Rider, Tue Feb 01 2022, 05:04PM

Oops posted to wrong thread...will quit for now.

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mountainart, Thu Feb 03 2022, 04:01PM

Hey Nature, heres another fun one your team put out while I was watching local MSM a few minites ago.

Announcer is talking, behind her, in video, LA mauor Garcetti taking multiple photo ops, which last a few minutes. He is clearly breathing, talking, laughing, even an Italian cheek kiss, while shaking hands and hugging othwr bigwigs/libetal celebrities, without a mask on.

All the while the news reader is saying that it was all right, because he "told" them (CBS reporter) that he actually was holding breath the WHOLE TIME so "It is good, there is no way I could be transmitting any virus"

News clearly also thinks that there is actually no risk in being close enough to hug a stranger, unmasked, otherwise they wpuld all have been castigating him instead of being his Propaganda arm of KGB( in how blatantly the show lies, as right behimd her, on the acreen, he's doing everyrhing BUT holding his breath. Even goes on at one point to touch his face with same hand that jist tpuched other people.

Yet, they are forcing mask edicts on all of us. You can bet your bottom dollar that if our elwcted govt officials actually were worriwd about covid, AT ALL, the very minimum, least they would do is social distance with masks, don't you?

Hmmmmm, looks like audience the MSM is now playing to is IQ about 32.......

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Nature, Thu Feb 03 2022, 09:34PM

I agree. If they want “everyone to wear masks they need to lead by example. I’m sure they will be called to task over this poor example. I’ve had a difficult time over the years because I expect too much out of others. So long as I am doing what I feel Is the right thing to do, sometimes it’s better to shudder and just keep going.

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Nature, Thu Feb 03 2022, 10:11PM

I just read back s couple of pages and it’s the same old BS.
It’s like ground hog day with you people.
You accuse me of getting my information from MSN or CNN constantly while you don’t really have a clue.
I think your retention capabilities are in serious question.
Getting a little senile? I could forgive that fact.
I’ve said often enough where I read my information and you still ask over and over. I don’t watch CNN or MSNBC unless there is something political on the table and no one else is putting it out there. I definitely only look at FOX or NEWSMAX to confirm that their rhetoric, lies and severe misinformation is still being spewed while those Hypocrites get their vaccinations and boosters behind the scenes. They have nothing other than poisonous and dangerous, manipulative drool to say about anything that promotes cooperation or support for caring about anything other than themselves, right wingers and racists groups. The lies are astounding. They are so afraid of not being supported by trump crazies they promote his lunacy. But don’t forget, now trump supports vaccines and admits he has had all of them. I haven’t seen one post that makes any reference to that fact. If you want to know where I get my information, read back. It’s been repeated several times. It doesn’t matter anyway. You would all poo poo and try to discredit what they write even though they are the most prestigious research institutions in the country with scientists who have been working with diseases their entire careers but you know better then they do because you are so much smarter than they are.

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Nature, Thu Feb 03 2022, 10:20PM

FDA murderers? Your mountain ground these vaccines weren’t FDA approved for the longest time and now that they are you’re moaning and groaning about that. Pathetic.
If it isn’t what you want, it’s gotta be wrong. Crawl back under your rock.

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Not Kidding, Fri Feb 04 2022, 09:37AM



What the hell does "Your mountain ground these vaccines weren’t FDA approved for the longest time and now that they are you’re moaning and groaning about that." mean - your mountain ground - really? The FDA is one of the most corrupt agencies in our federal government, that's a fact - they all own stock in the pharmaceutical companies that make the drugs that they make decisions on - that is corruption.

You are so brainwashed I am wondering if a good brain rinsing might help you! I don't have a rock to crawl back under, but if I did I would be willing to crawl under it as soon as you pull your head out of your ass.

You know darned well that the "narrative" that is covid is falling apart by the minute - it is a crime against humanity in the worst degree - if only the criminals that have perpetrated it would be held accountable - if only!

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mountainart, Fri Feb 04 2022, 11:18AM

Country after country in the last week removing vaccine mandates, mask mandates. Except for Austria. Our friends who live on Germany near Austrian border say that there is already plans for a mass protest country shutdown and civil non compliance for Austrian vaccine mandate, conservative govt party making noises about joining in , Canada style.

Meanwhile, Trudeau just photographed Outside of his stated quarantine without mask....... But jey, that neans nothing to sychopant media.

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FDA also approved OxyContin and allowed Purdue Parma to sell it with an FDA approval stating it was "non-addictive" ....how well did that work out?

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Nature, Fri Feb 04 2022, 03:55PM

Mountain ground was supposed to stay moaned and groaned. Didn’t catch that one! 🤣

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Not Kidding, Sun Feb 06 2022, 02:42PM

Go truckers!!!!



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Haha

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Nature, Sun Feb 06 2022, 11:47PM

Mt Man
Stand up for the truth? You should try it.
Yes. History has entire books about our world not using/having vaccines or medications to help diseases. You should read a few.

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Nature, Tue Feb 08 2022, 06:42PM

No intellect from you bunch. Always BS.
I’m bored with all of you.

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MtMan, Thu Feb 10 2022, 01:59PM

[Click Here]

article: The US military appears to be deliberately hiding the damage done by COVID-19 vaccines

Not for socialists who have no intellect...

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[Click Here]

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Nature, Fri Feb 11 2022, 11:37PM

MtMan Do you think anyone, other than your thread cronies, would want to see what you have to share.
We all know it’s the same old delusional made up crap you keep going back to. Lies, rumors, that are also lies, newsmax hate speak , fox, gotta be the opposite of what was really said, facebook stupid speak, anything social media has twisted, just like you do on this thread. People with real intellect present the news with objective and truthful reporting. You should watch some of the real news. Look for it on other channels. They aren’t bias and are highly informative about our world and what is really happening. They aren’t only pointed in one direction like the BS you listen to.

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Squatch, Sat Feb 12 2022, 08:48AM



YOU SURE ARE IGNORANT FOR AN INTELLECTUAL!

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mountainart, Sat Feb 12 2022, 01:14PM


What's your opinion of KFI? Answer will truly reveal what you believe in life

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mountainart, Sat Feb 12 2022, 01:15PM

Question directed towards Nature.

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mountainart, Sun Feb 13 2022, 07:41AM

Public Health Scotland (equivalent to our US govt medicare system) just released their figures, shows that the people of scotland were significantly LESS likely to come down with covid, or be hospitalized, if they WERE NOT VACCINATED.
[Click Here]
Interesting, as now american state health gov sites like OUR OWN SBC county health dept are finally starting to post similar, now that the dam of LIES has finally broken and ratings based "news programs" can no longer bury it.

Nature, tell me when you finally see msnbc, cnn, abc, ny times cover this story......... How many days/weeks will it take, if ever? Funny that World News, BBC, Reuters, VOA, NPR, KPCC(local public radio), Yomiyuri, and numerous other news have already posted it, but as of one minute ago, keyword search at cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs, have no stories.

This is the overwhelming, uncontrovertible proof that YOU are the one only watching AGENDA DRIVEN " based ratings oriented "news".

Article today, showing how a culture of news being decided on what will bring controversy and ratings is sought, and actual public intereat serving is abandoned, from a current cnn employee.

What do you have to say? We all eagerly await you showing us all here that your news feedings are actually truth driven, by Not posting huge breaking important news official govt figures that prove their covid fearmongering as deliberate lying. And you seem to love going back to proven liar news, after I just gave an immediate, searchable proof that YOUR news are the ones actually lying. Go ahead, i await with popcorn in hand to read your attempt to show me wrong, and prove to all here that you are the one actually being truthful, anf I am the one lying. It would greatly improve your respect here, to finally prove that your liberal based ideas are actually reflective of what is really happening in america.

When you don't come back with a rebuttal (and remain silent, yet again, ) on our asking to have an actual fact based debate means that you cannot find any actual things to support what you accuse us independents of doing that is against what socialist minded liberals wish to turn america into.

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mountainart - doesn;t come up on google, big surprise - can you include a link

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H"ere's the link to the CNN own admitting it is deliberately pushing agendas and manufacturing false "news" stories to push controversy and outrage, that drives up ratings(thusly garnering more ad revenue).
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Head of CNN Jeff Zucker admits he was hyper-focused on ratings and financial incentives and that drove the changes in news toward opinion pieces, and creating agenda based news stories because opinion drives ratings,”

Well Nature, I don't think you need to waste time trying to come up with a way to try to tell us that your news organizations are actually the ones airing "true news", as they admitted it, on the record, that they actually make pro liberal agenda news up, just to get more ad dollars. Funny, but Zucker, before CNN, wad head of large tabloid news.

He brought same methodology of supermarket tabloids to mainstream news, in HIS OWN WORDS.

So now uncontestable proof that followers of CNN and sychophant mainstream news organizations are basically the same as the natl enquirer.

No wonder you can never actually post links to stories that support your liberal based way of looking at life, because, as acknowledged by their own CEO's are not actually repprting real news, byt jist a live tv version of tabloids, rhinly glossed over with hot topic events that make viewers " outraged".

Yikes!

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Public health Sotland .gov.scotland website
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Pull the individual numbers from the different category lists, infection of 866 per 100,000 people for the double vaccinated and 481 per 100,000 for the boosted, or triple vaccinated. The unvaccinated had a rate of infection of 413 per 100,000. The death rate from COVID is drastically different too. The death rate of those who have had two shots is about 12 per 100,000 which is more than 50% higher than the rate for the unvaccinated.

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UK dept of public health stats website Alberta CA dept of health website, now confirming same trend for last 4 weeks.

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Thanks mountainart! IMO, the lefties don't deserve to be labeled "liberals" - a true liberal is open to other thoughts, opinions and ideas, and they are able to honestly debate the issues. I can't think of one "so called liberal" that is open to anything other than their own elitist thoughts and opinions, just sayin'.

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Here's the thing, I am all for vaccines that have a proven track record of working, and preventing more harm than being unvaccinated riaks. Long term proven actual vaccines(once a lifetime, or every 20 or so years effacacy, with no worries abput side effects.

But, having a vaccine regimen, that the UK released figures collating from last summer to december showing figures which match cdc figures if you change cdc definition of "unvaccinated" to ONLY INCLUDE those who never have gotten any vaccine, rather than including listing those who have gotten vaccine or booster within 4 weeks as "unvaccinated".

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Dictionary definition of having a liberal mindset used to be until a few years ago libetals cancelled the dictionary definition, a person who entertained, evaluated, and TOLERATED ALL points of view. Dictionary definition of fascio-socialist is someone who advocates for govt to control, and cancel, with socio-economic or physical harm to be done to any that don't submit to their own narrow, race based, nanny state views, even when shown to be detrimental to the majorities freedoms, overall.

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Just found this

Dr. Alin Abraham, a pediatrician with Northwestern Medicine Central DuPage Hospital, said it's important to remember children aren't immune to COVID-19. About 90 children have died of the disease in the U.S. in 2021. However, the mortality rates of covid are 80 percent lower than death from seasonal influenza.

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During the 2018-19 flu season, the CDC reported approximately 480 flu deaths among children ages 0-17, about 30% of whom had a lab-confirmed case of influenza.
Comparably, 90 American youth have died from coronavirus complications from the beginning of the pandemic through mid-August, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

More than 46,000 children were hospitalized for flu in that 2018-19 period. The hospitalization rate among children 5 to 17 was 39.2 children per 100,000 children. For COVID-19, that hospitalization rate is 6 per 100,000 children ages 5 to 17, the CDC says.

To put that in perspective, more kids died from school sports injuries.

Yet entire school districts shut down, mask obedience enforcers demorialize kids, all because most people in power would rather follow any excuse to exert more control and power, and enthusiastically promote any "news" that reinforces the ability to control others lives, than actually follow the stats (you know, the actual real world, non liberal news world propaganda "Science")

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It took a bit of time but COVID is no longer front page news.

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Makes you wonder what wonderful surprises the elites have in store for us next - nothing good I can assure you!

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CNN is just a cable news network. It's not the sole source of news available and most liberals I know get their news from many sources. Personally I rely on PBS and NPR more than any others. BBC world News is a respectable source. Yeah I thought CNN was wasting time on the Gabby Petito case which is the tabloid news refered to. But it was on all the other stations too. People wanted to here about it.


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Please show me where he admits to manufacturing false news. Or any evidence of CNN manufacturing false news. TIA.




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Skier said "CNN is just a cable news network. It's not the sole source of news available and most liberals I know get their news from many sources. Personally I rely on PBS and NPR more than any others. BBC world News is a respectable source. Yeah I thought CNN was wasting time on the Gabby Petito case which is the tabloid news refered to. But it was on all the other stations too. People wanted to here about it."

NPR, REALLY? HAHAHA, PURE PROPAGANDA, GOVERNMENT SPOKEHOLES

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Skier said "
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I'm so sorry that you are a qanon Skier!!!!

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Can’t get through to you people.

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You repeatability come on here and say "you`re done posting on here and that it`s pointless!"
And yet here you are, how do you explain your continuing to post in this section?

ANSWER: YOU ARE AN INTERNET TROLL
LOOK IT UP!

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Here's something to think about for the pro-vaxxers

Within a year of the Coronavirus starting, all 4 big pharma companies mysteriously come out with a vaccine (within a week of each other) and it is being mandated to take it in a lot of places. BUT after 40 years there is no vaccine for HIV and after 100+ years there is no vaccine for the common cold.

Thing's that should make you go HMMMMM

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Nature, Sun Feb 20 2022, 12:26PM

I guess my troll comment really got under Squash’s skin.
No vaccine for HIV is a shame. The common cold rarely kills people and generally makes the immune system stronger and more prepared. We cannot prevent everything or we would be a very weak human race snd anything new would kill us. Our former president pushed a means of making vaccines for anything to be put on the market “now”. I’ve said this so many times. The method for our vaccine is not the same as the old tried dnd true methods but it has been in the works for many years. The Covid virus isn’t new but this specific very new strain of Covid came upon us out of the blue and was brought here mostly from Europe when our country started its shut down and citizens or visa holders were allowed back into the US and not tested before getting on the planes or before going home.

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I guess my troll comment really got under Squash’s skin.

WRONG! JUST CALLING YOU OUT FOR THE TROLL THAT YOU ARE!



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Nature, once again to remind you, IT'S NOT A VACCINE, it's an experimental shot and YOU ARE THE EXPERIMENTEE, OR GUINEA PIG (take your pick) - good luck with that!!!!

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And.....no rebuttal to the above post. Why? Because it is the truth.

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The CDC does it again. They are now saying that they accidently inflated children's COVID death numbers. This is at least the 2nd or 3rd time they have come out and said they screwed up by inflating numbers.

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Remember back over the last couple of years when all of the sheep tried to label us conspiracy theorists for pointing out the many so called facts and numbers that just didn`t add up!

Like it or not YOU SHEEP WERE THE ONES ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE TRUTH!


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Exactly!!!

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You silly GQPs

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Oh Corn. Heard of the virus. They’re just not stupid.

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Just saw the report on Australia covid death numbers as compared to their other death numbers.

Correlating the US covid death numbers to US other death numbers is very interesting. Looks like there is more and more evidence that US covid death official numbers were hugely influenced by the US being the only country to give $40k to a hospital if they listed cause of death as covid. Theost notorious example was the Minneapolis hospital that listed the guy that died in a motorcycle accident as "covid death" because je tested positive for antibodies.

A doctor friend of our family who works at Loma Linda says he would not be surprised that if the strict metric that Australia used to list cause of death as directly because of covid were applied to US, our numbers would be similar as australias, and other western countries.

Politization of anything ALWAYS leads to lies.



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Here's our next plandemic, click here, this is exactly what happened before the "covid" bioweapon was released upon humanity - there are no coincidences, monkeypox, look at the dates the "plan" was projected to happen, can't make this stuff up people Oh and the next one after this one will be bird flu jumping to humans - you are all useless eaters and your government and the elites want you (us) dead.

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Nature, Sun May 22 2022, 12:51AM

So Baby eaters, pedophiles, micro chips in the Covid injections, Pizza gate, baby formula lies, replacement theory’s, children’s gay promoters in math books, we can’t even keep track and now it’s all turned in a joke on you.

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Not Kidding, Sun May 22 2022, 06:42AM

Nature, so original, Ultra Maga, what a pathetic Biden spewer of B.S. you are, all you can do is repeat what you hear from the Biden butt lickers, does it taste good?

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you skipped monkey pox


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Don't mind saying "WE TOLD YOU SO" - CDC removes quarantine restrictions, social distancing restrictions, and treating those that got the deadly covid vaccines and booster any differently than those intelligent enough to say no to the vaccines - BECAUSE IT WAS ALL A HORRIBLE HOAX- EVERYONE WAS HARMED BY THE SHUTDOWNS BUT THE PEOPLE HURT THE WORST ARE THE IDIOTS THAT GOT THE VACCINES AND WENT ALONG WITH ALL OF IT!!! The government and the CDC need to pay dearly for this travesty and everyone that lost their jobs should be reinstated and given a settlement and back pay. THIS WAS A CRIMINAL OPERTATION OF THE WORST KIND!!! Now do you believe that your government wants you dead? THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND HANGED IN PUBLIC VIEW FOR THESE CRIMES!!!! THAT INCLUDES TRUMP BECAUSE HE KEEPS HAWKING THAT DAMN VACCINE!!!

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(You ALL were lied to, again, about covid, just another example)

The FDA Misled the Public About Ivermectin and Should Be Accountable in Court, Argues AAPS

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) filed its motion and amicus brief Thursday evening with the federal district court in Galveston urging it to allow the lawsuit to proceed against the FDA for its misleading statements against ivermectin. In Apter v. HHS, a group of physicians sued to hold the Food and Drug Administration, a federal agency within the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), accountable for its interference with physicians’ ability to treat Covid-19.

“Defendant FDA has improperly exploited misunderstandings about the legality and prevalence of off-label uses of medication, in order to mislead courts, state medical boards, and the public into thinking there is anything improper about off-label prescribing,” AAPS writes in its amicus brief to the court. “Not only is off-label prescribing fully proper, legal, and commonplace, but it is also absolutely necessary in order to give effective care to patients.”

Yet the FDA published multiple statements and sent letters to influential organizations to falsely disparage ivermectin, implying that it was not approved for treating Covid-19. Many, including courts and state medical boards, were misled by the FDA into thinking that its lack of approval for this treatment meant that ivermectin should not be used to treat Covid-19.

“It has never been proper for the FDA to interfere with that essential part of the practice of medicine, and the FDA knows it,” AAPS informed the court. The FDA “insisted and continues to insist on interfering with the prescription of this safe medication by physicians in treating Covid-19,” AAPS added.

AAPS General Counsel Andrew Schlafly pointed out to the court that the FDA “has engaged in a campaign of interference with the proper use by physicians of ivermectin, which has long been approved as fully safe for human use.” He alerted the court that once the FDA approves a medication as safe, then physicians have full authority to prescribe it to treat any illness, particularly a novel virus like Covid-19.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a national organization representing physicians in all specialties since 1943. Its motto is omnia pro aegroto (everything for the patient).

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Mtman - no worries, they just need to visit the Kaufman Institute of Coincidence
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Funny, NOT funny

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I always said so...


If you go back through my past couple years posts, I always said that covid deaths were waaaay overcounted, most famous examples of car crash victims whose blood tested positive for antibodies having death certificate with covid listed. (So hospitals could score extra$$$) as told to us by a nursw friend back then who whistleblew, then was fired...... Now his unlawful termination lawsuit just got a whole lot more power.

Msm news cannot hide it. Even them putting in writing that 90%+ of covid listed deaths did not die BECAUSE of covid.

This I hope starts a final snowball rolling that the newly in power repubs will run with and go after the lying cdc and PROPAGANDA ARM mainstream media LIARS.

As daily more reports finally squeak up from where they were squashed by msm, showing that there are a whole lot of problems with the vaccimes they deliberately hid, if there isn't going to be the mother of all class action lawsuits soon filed against them.

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Yup, by design, we were flat out lied to, they tried to hide it but the truth eventually comes out! The tragic thing is that it takes so long, well after the election!
Never mind WE were labeled CONSPIRACY THEORISTS for speaking the truth!
Some people don`t recognize the truth even if you hit them over the head with it!
If it stinks that`s a sure bet that there`s something rotten going on...
I`ll save the o-so many other issues for another time...out of control border, oil, Afghanistan, no-bail, Sept 6th, Ukraine, Hunter/Chinese, classified intel, and on and on and on!

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NShore.Allen, Thu Feb 02 2023, 02:53PM

The great mask debate may now be "settled science", right? From an extensive study

Medical or surgical masks

Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu‐like illness/COVID‐like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people).

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