virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Mon Mar 02 2020, 03:56PM
The Costco stores in north OC are sold out of bottled water (all sizes), toilette paper (all brands) and 50# bags of rice.
"Hand Sanitizer" is unavailable from any source as is rubbing alcohol. My bride said a customer bought all the wet ones (several cases) at our local Target.
Anyone out there need basic dust masks for your business (painters, contractors..)?? What are you doing?
People are going crazy.. Imagine when the real calamity occurs.
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Van, Mon Mar 02 2020, 06:01PM
I made the mistake of going to Costco yesterday to pick up my regular stuff because it was the first day I could get there in the past week and it was absolute mayhem. It didn't occur to me why it was that crazy until after I left. We haven't been able to buy dust masks for a month now so everyone gets a $40 respirator instead when we are doing demo. Its very annoying.
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MrOwl, Mon Mar 02 2020, 06:03PM
Sheeple are stupid
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Deb Doodah, Mon Mar 02 2020, 08:16PM
We had to order toilet paper from Amazon because our Sams Club was completely sold out. This is just nuts. Why the TP?
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BBNona, Mon Mar 02 2020, 09:09PM
I’m with you Deb! Can’t understand what the deal is with TP and Purell, hot water and soap are stlll effective!!
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SrRaceFan, Tue Mar 03 2020, 04:59AM
Toilet paper is cheaper than tissues like Kleenex, etc.?
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 03 2020, 05:52AM
Best part is....antiBACTERIAL (Purell) does nothing against a VIRUS.....dumb sheeple everywhere.
These "dust" masks are really not effective either according to the CDC....
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CoyotePass, Tue Mar 03 2020, 09:10PM
Shhhhhhh . . No one tell but Dollar Tree is where I bought a pack of dust masks awhile back. Yeah 10 for a dollar. Course they're probably made in China:)
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CoyotePass, Tue Mar 03 2020, 09:15PM
Um, and why bottled water? The odds of the entire municipal water system going down because of this is slim.
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Dave™, Tue Mar 03 2020, 09:28PM
Shsssh, Deb. Sharon found TP at Staters up here today. Don't tell anybody.
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Mar 04 2020, 06:14AM
Lmao.
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cricket, Thu Mar 05 2020, 06:42AM
Serious question here. I wonder how the vacation rentals are cleaning their inventory? I will see a hoard of people stay next door for several days...big party and lots of drunken shenanagins. Then they check out and when the cleaner comes they spend 20 minutes.
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Deb Doodah, Thu Mar 05 2020, 05:45PM
Well I’m not proud to say Chino Hills (my dth city) made the news today. I guess the hoarding of tp and water bottles became a little too much for the shoppers and the police had to be called.
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NShore.Allen, Thu Mar 05 2020, 05:48PM
Or this. [Click Here]
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Airport Razz, Sat Mar 07 2020, 06:34AM
Can't speak directly for the others in town but with past history I would say that majority of the vacation owners/cleaning crews are doing NOTHING towards this. My crew on the other hand have been made sick numerous times just from regular cleaning. Having the flu 3-4 times a year is no fun. Nothing like pulling the comforter crammed into the washing machine to find it covered with vomit. Soooo, a long time ago our cleaners are supplied with disposable gloves, they have access to good Quality dust masks (at least as long as my supply lasts, could get interesting), and we have a nice supply of lysol which the beds, baths, and surfaces get hit with. BTW strongly recommend reading use instructions. For a long time we were not aware that manufacturer recommends leaving surfaces 'wet' for min 3 minutes before further wiping. Changes the way you clean BIG TIME. Just be diligent, thorough and do what you Mother taught you to do. Wash your hands, don't touch your face, cover your sneezes and coughs, and if you are sick, if at all possible stay the heck home. Follow this and I think the human race will survive this which is just another checkmark on the things that are,were going to wipe us out. Hang in there folks.
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Socalman, Sat Mar 07 2020, 03:43PM
Yesterday we made our usual early-in-the-month Costco trip. I had to laugh at the guy who had 10 cases of water stacked on a regular, not flatbed, cart and then was told he could only have two! I sort of understand the run on toilet paper. If you are self-quarantined for 2 weeks, that is sort of an essential you want to have.
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Socalman, Sat Mar 07 2020, 03:45PM
To further add to the covid-19 story, it turn out a local middle school has had a student test positive for the virus. One of the neighbor kids attends that school. Guess we won't be over to their house for coffee for a few months!
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Juliann, Sun Mar 08 2020, 06:13AM
I hadn’t heard that there was a LA County case of the virus. But now that I’ve looked it up, I realize there are at least 14. Most have come from having traveled to other countries.
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CoyotePass, Sun Mar 08 2020, 10:29PM
I'm almost out of rice so I stopped at Staters to get some and a few other things on the way home. There was no plain white rice on the shelf, none. I had to settle for a big bag of jasmin rice. Really people, you had to buy ALL the rice! I have Celiac Disease so I go through a lot of rice, but you had to buy every freaking bag! When the hysteria is over what are you gonna do with all that rice huh?
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Skier, Mon Mar 09 2020, 08:36AM
Maybe they're going to a wedding?
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Socalman, Mon Mar 09 2020, 11:10AM
Good one Skier!
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Socalman, Mon Mar 09 2020, 11:11AM
I hadn’t heard that there was a LA County case of the virus. But now that I’ve looked it up, I realize there are at least 14. Most have come from having traveled to other countries.
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It turns out that the young who tested positive has a parent who is a healthcare worker and had been exposed, obviously passing it on to the young man.
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CoyotePass, Mon Mar 09 2020, 11:42AM
Must have been a really big wedding. My plan is to do an ISO post on local FB groups in a month when the hysteria has died down and buy a couple bags for half price. The odds are good most of the people who bought the rice don't even know how to make non-instant rice anyway.
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NShore.Allen, Mon Mar 09 2020, 02:18PM
Picked up a case of wine on sale at Costco. The checker said "if you can't get water then get the wine". I replied "as soon as the city supplies wine out of the faucet, I'll have to get it in bottles". She laughed, sort of.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Mon Mar 09 2020, 03:11PM
I just rinsed and filled a half dozen 2 liter bottles waiting for recycling. It's funny how the faucet still works. I'll put them on ebay for 5 bucks each.
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MrOwl, Mon Mar 09 2020, 03:41PM
Line was out the door at the Post Office and a man commented it was the bottled water line. I said probably the TP line.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Mar 09 2020, 06:09PM
CDC
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BootsNBridles, Mon Mar 09 2020, 06:49PM
Folks. Stop panicking. If the store is out of what you want ask when they get their delivery and show up then. We are OFTEN out of staples after big weekends. This is standard behavior.
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CoyotePass, Mon Mar 09 2020, 07:13PM
They've never been out of 20lb bags of white rice in my 20 years up here, let along ALL bags of white rice with a sign on the empty shelves that said something to the effect of we apologize but demand for this product is high. Not panicking by any means, but annoyed by the stupidity of it all and the fact that my diet which is rice heavy for good reason is being upended by this stupid hysteria.
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Benny ⭐, Mon Mar 09 2020, 09:20PM
Ask and yee shall receive!!!
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Benny ⭐, Mon Mar 09 2020, 09:23PM
You have got to be kidding me, now there's a rush on staples??? Emergency arts & crafts???
In all seriousness, I went to Vons today to shop, no craziness and everything stocked, just a normal day. If everyone would just keep doing what you normally do with shopping and what not, we'd all be fine. They were out of hand sanitizer, I noticed that, but wasn't looking for it.
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 05:55AM
The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the World Health Organization and no one bats an eye....this all just media hysteria...
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Airport Razz, Tue Mar 10 2020, 07:33AM
Well with the democratic party race in such shambles and they have already picked Sleepy Joe and Bernie Stalin to the bones, what else do they have to keep themselves busy?????
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MrOwl, Tue Mar 10 2020, 08:32AM
If your Corona has a virus...
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 11:13AM
Alright one more and I'm done...
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Mtngoat John⭐, Tue Mar 10 2020, 12:43PM
Message signs on I-15 in Utah
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 10 2020, 01:03PM
Fun little experiment, courtesy of mythbusters!
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Christopher, Tue Mar 10 2020, 01:21PM
Just for general consumption... On any given day the healthcare system in the US has about 330,000 beds available. Less than 1% of those are suitable for isolation of infectious diseases, and that doesn't take into account the number of ventilators needed, masks, etc.
It's currently taking about 6 days for each outbreak of the Wuhan Virus to double. Conservative estimates are that we'll have around 4 mil cases by Mid-May. That alone will overwhelm our capacity to treat people.
Massachusetts' number of cases more than doubled OVERNIGHT last night, with an almost 10% hospitalization rate.
Here's a sobering read:
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Van, Tue Mar 10 2020, 02:10PM
It really bugs me that somehow some members of the conservative media have grabbed on to the idea that this is a liberal hoax. The facts are the facts and this is NOT similar to the flu in many ways. There is a period of incubation of around 5 days and maybe as much as 10 days where someone has the virus and doesn't show symptoms. The flu is most infectious after the patient exhibits symptoms. That will make this virus spread more efficiently. Also the flu has a vaccine which millions take to lessen the severity of the infection. There is currently no vaccine for this virus and there will not be for at least a year if not more. If we are looking at an infection rate of 30-40% of the population and only 2% need advanced medical care that is 2 million people overwhelming our healthcare providers. Older people and people with underlying health problems are at a greater risk to die from this and its all of our responsibility to try to limit its spread so these people don't suffer the consequences. Viruses mutate as well so things might change for the better or worse but we HAVE to be prepared to take this seriously. If not this one which looks bad, for sure we should be prepared for the next one which could be worse.
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 02:54PM
You essentially just described the Flu (or a virus)...
The "flu vaccine" is not anywhere near 100% effective and is only the best guess at what the most common Flu virus will be...
The only difference with this Virus is the Upper Respiratory infection component.
Aside from panicking here is how you should react.. [Click Here]
Never said it was a hoax...just blown way out of proportion....by ALL media.
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Van, Tue Mar 10 2020, 03:48PM
Here's a good article that describes it better from National Geographic
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 04:13PM
It's a strain of the flu...millions of people recover from that scary virus every year...
Remember SARS or Swine Flu....panic then crickets. Here we are again..
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Van, Tue Mar 10 2020, 04:23PM
I hate arguing with people in the interwebs but its actually not a strain of the flu, its more related to the common cold and that really doesn't matter. there are lots of viruses that are related that affect people completely differently. I'm not saying everyone should be hysterical and buy extra toilet paper and rice but people need to be aware and react accordingly. South Korea has provided an excellent example of how to handle this disease correctly.
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 05:51PM
I mean CDC is reporting it as closer to influenza A and B than a cold but what do they know...
I mostly compare it to that because the Flu, which happens yearly, has killed and infected tens of thousands more. Yet we don't shut down campuses, raid grocery stores, or cancel flights. We go on with our lives.
My main point is that this hysteria is ridiculous and it is just further fueled by media and misinformation.
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 10 2020, 08:30PM
Yeah it's a little blown up, albeit serious in some cases. I'm sure quite a few have actually had it come and go with not even realizing what they had. Unfortunately, this is why it's still randomly spreading.
If it weren't for social media, we would probably wouldn't know much about it, aside from what the news knows...
I think we're almost to the hump, newer cases are starting to go down, especially in China, though it could still spread like wildfire in the US if we're not extra careful.
Thankfully we're coming out of flu season in general and hopefully everyone is taking all the extra precautions to limit the spread, washing hands more often, etc.
Based on the seriousness of this new strain, I wouldn't be surprised if they have the vaccine ready by next flu season. There's a couple medical companies with a potential vaccine already, which is in it's testing(trials) phase. That's the part that could take a year+, unless the fda helps move it along.
I heard the flu vaccine this year was only good against maybe half the strains out there, which is better than nothing I guess. But I seem to get sick more often when I've had the flu shot in the past, so I abstain.
Thankfully the mortality rate is still in the 3-4% range (which is higher than the average flu) or we would be having a completely different discussion.
Just be smart about it and don't panic. Fighting over toilet paper is ridiculous.
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BootsNBridles, Tue Mar 10 2020, 08:56PM
Lets just do numbers: Fatality rates: Flu 0.2% Covid19 2.2% Seems pretty simple. The flu has been much more widespread so comparing the higher number of deaths doesn't make it more dangerous. Those of you who want to believe someone is jerking your chain will likely not take precautions. With luck for us you won't spread it before you succumb to it. Hard attitude? You are talking about spreading a deadly virus that can kill people I know and love.
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 10 2020, 09:39PM
Agreed, but panicking and stockpiling toilet paper is not how we get there.
Hopefully this will come to a halt pretty quick and it won't be anywhere nearly as widespread as the regular flu.
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RH_Runner, Wed Mar 11 2020, 05:29AM
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MrOwl, Wed Mar 11 2020, 06:46AM
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Benny ⭐, Wed Mar 11 2020, 10:06PM
As everyone has probably heard by now, things getting a little more serious. NBA season canceled (least of our worries), new travel bans in place and cancellation or postponement of many major scheduled venues, a sign we're taking more drastic measures to stop the spread. There's a chance the President will declare a national emergency in the coming days. Even growing suspicion the Coronavirus is now airborne!
We've all heard all the precautions to take just in case, storing TP not being one of them, tissues maybe. Here are some suggestions from the World Health Organization, including a link to videos and a ton more information! [Click Here]
Current Coronavirus (Covid19) Status: [Click Here]
Basic protective measures against the new coronavirus
Stay aware of the latest information on the COVID-19 outbreak, available on the WHO website and through your national and local public health authority. COVID-19 is still affecting mostly people in China with some outbreaks in other countries. Most people who become infected experience mild illness and recover, but it can be more severe for others. Take care of your health and protect others by doing the following:
Wash your hands frequently
Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water.
Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.
Maintain social distancing
Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Why? When someone coughs or sneezes they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person coughing has the disease.
Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth
Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick.
Practice respiratory hygiene
Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately.
Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.
If you have fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical care early
Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.
Stay informed and follow advice given by your healthcare provider
Stay informed on the latest developments about COVID-19. Follow advice given by your healthcare provider, your national and local public health authority or your employer on how to protect yourself and others from COVID-19.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on whether COVID-19 is spreading in your area. They are best placed to advise on what people in your area should be doing to protect themselves.
Protection measures for persons who are in or have recently visited (past 14 days) areas where COVID-19 is spreading
Follow the guidance outlined above.
Stay at home if you begin to feel unwell, even with mild symptoms such as headache and slight runny nose, until you recover. Why? Avoiding contact with others and visits to medical facilities will allow these facilities to operate more effectively and help protect you and others from possible COVID-19 and other viruses.
If you develop fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical advice promptly as this may be due to a respiratory infection or other serious condition. Call in advance and tell your provider of any recent travel or contact with travelers. Why? Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also help to prevent possible spread of COVID-19 and other viruses.
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BootsNBridles, Wed Mar 11 2020, 10:10PM
It is unknown at this time HOW LONG the virus can live on soft surfaces such as the inside of your elbow if you are wearing long sleeves. - just something to keep in mind.
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Stringfellow, Thu Mar 12 2020, 12:47AM
I sincerely hope that for all the blustering and denial, the folks that have been playing this down for the last few weeks are truly prepared. And I hope you've been telling your friends to be prepared as well, so that we don't have crazy runs on the stores. Whoops, too late?
Okay, Plan B. Let's start working together and bridge the obvious political gap that is keeping people from treating this thing with even the modicum of respect it deserves. It's only going to get worse before it gets better. The situation out of northern Italy is dire, and with the announcement of the lockdown there, tens of thousands of people burned rubber to their vacation homes in southern Italy. In two weeks, we'll be hearing about the spread of the disease there, and their lack of facilities to handle it. Today, the president announced travel restrictions from mainland Europe, STARTING TWO DAYS LATER. Not every American is going to make it back in those two days... but plenty will. And some of those will have unwanted hitchhikers, and there won't be tests waiting at the airports for them. The UK is not part of the restriction, so I'm curious what flights are available from London to the US right now, and exactly how crowded the Tube will be for the next 36 hours. Our time is coming, and besides the strain on hospitals if we don't reel it in, we don't even know the long term effects of this. This strain is literally BRAND NEW. China is finally through the worst of it because they literally welded people into their homes over a month ago. We all know that ain't gonna happen here, so what will it take to make us be serious about it?
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Skier, Thu Mar 12 2020, 07:08AM
It's not the media, it's the President who is fueling the hysteria by spreading misinformation and lies. He tried to downplay the outbreak from the very beginning. At one of his rallies he even said it was a hoax.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Mar 12 2020, 07:54AM
Please take your TDS back to the political discussions...
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Skier, Thu Mar 12 2020, 08:33AM
Sorry if you think I am injecting politics into this thread but the White House response to this pandemic is extremely important and seeing the way it is being handled is not confidence inspiring. Look at what is happening on Wall Street as evidence.
Btw, as the self appointed hall monitor of thread content, you might want to go back and reprimand the guy who posted this a couple pages back if you don't like politics here.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 08:51AM
So-cal-Mts. has worked well for community information and emergency, You can skim the posts disregard political bias opinions. posting real numbers information. Media hype I’m going to go at it like any other emergency issues with media sensation. The site has worked so well for forest fires in the past. You watch hearings you find how mismanaged it has been.
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Benny ⭐, Thu Mar 12 2020, 09:18AM
Funny thing about that, I saw people tapping elbows as an alternative to shaking hands, except you should be coughing and sneezing into your elbow!
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Skier, Thu Mar 12 2020, 09:51AM
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 10:06AM
90% of prescription are not made in the United States but in China.
Penicillin has not been manufactured in the United States since 2004
hearing-coronavirus-impact- supply-chain:
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 11:35AM
2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19)
2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV) is a virus that has been identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness. The first detection of COVID-19 occurred in Wuhan, China. Initially it was thought to be animal-to-person transmission, due to the majority of the infected being linked to the animal and seafood market. However, after a growing number of patients having no ties to these markets, it is indicated that person-to-person transmission is occurring. It is unclear at this time how easily the virus is being spread between people. For the most recent situation summaries and updates please visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention web page.
Symptoms and Complications
The symptoms of COVID-19 infection range from little to no symptoms, to individuals being severely ill and dying. Some symptoms of COVID-19 include, but are not limited to:
• Fever
• Cough
• Shortness of breath
Currently the CDC believes that symptoms appear in as little as 2 days or as long as 14 days after being exposed. These times are based off of the previous incubation period of MERS viruses.
Transmission
Coronavirus es come from a large family of viruses that are commonly found in different animal species such as camels, cattle, cats, and bats. It is rare for a coronavirus to infect a person, and then spread from that person to another person, such as cases of MERS and SARS.
In the case of person-to-person transmission it is thought to have been transferred via respiratory droplets that are emitted into the air when an infected individuals coughs or sneezes. This is similar to how influenza and other respiratory illnesses are spread. It is important to look at how easily a virus is able to be spread from person-to-person. Some viruses are extremely contagious, such as measles, while others are much less contagious. COVID-19 is being considered a serious public health threat by the CDC, however, based on the current information, the immediate health risk to the general public in America is considered low for the time being.
Prevention and Treatment
Currently there is no vaccine to prevent COVID-19. The best prevention is avoiding the virus as much as possible. The CDC also always recommends everyday preventative measures be taken to help prevent the virus being spread. These measures include:
• Hand washing often with soap and water for no less than 20 seconds.
• If access to soap and water is not available, the use of alcohol base sanitizer is recommended.
• Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth without first washing your hands.
• Avoid contact with sick individuals
• Stay home if you are sick
• Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then immediately dispose of the tissue in the trash.
• Clean and disinfect surfaces and objects that are frequently touched as much as possible.
By having these everyday habits you can help to prevent the spread of several different viruses, including COVID-19.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 11:39AM
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BBVSD
his is an important message from Dr. Mary Suzuki, Superintendent:
On February 27, 2020, San Bernardino County Department of Public Health reports there are no confirmed cases of Novel Coronavirus in San Bernardino County. As of February 27, 2020, there are 33 positive cases in California. At this time, we believe the health risk to our students in our schools is low; however, we will continue to take necessary precautions to control the spread of all infectious diseases. We will continue to communicate with the San Bernardino County Superintendent of Schools, San Bernardino County Department of Public Health, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for current updates.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 11:41AM
What is a coronavirus?
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SSJ2012, Thu Mar 12 2020, 02:28PM
So if I reading the information on the virus correctly, the virus is more dangerous to those who are over the age of 50. People under 25 aren’t in any real danger other than passing the virus to other people.
But the crazy thing is seeing lines of people waiting to get into Costco today! Here we’re closing major gatherings but forcing elderly people to wait in lines for food and medications. This is going to make it much worse since younger people aren’t really showing symptoms. Are there any food delivery services the operate in mountain for the elderly who high risk to get their food?
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu Mar 12 2020, 03:37PM
So the best disinfectant as long as it's not where you would ingest it would be denatured alcohol. At your local Home Depot/Lowes/Ace/Crown... Oops, not anymore...
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu Mar 12 2020, 04:13PM
On a different track, are there any dental hygienists out there that want to comment on their upcoming calendar? I'm due in three weeks.
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Jellylorum, Thu Mar 12 2020, 05:13PM
InstaCart delivers in Big Bear. Per news reports, they have a new program, allowing drop off on the porch.
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BootsNBridles, Thu Mar 12 2020, 07:11PM
It is probably good for us to remember that there are no CONFIRMED cases of Covid-19 in SB County. But until recently there weren't any doctors performing the test and even now it's impossible to find somewhere that has a test. So there COULD be Covid-19 cases here but since they've not been tested they don't count! Social distancing and good hygeinic habits for everyone!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Mar 13 2020, 07:49AM
Toilet paper
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47Ronin, Fri Mar 13 2020, 01:09PM
My sister lives in San Pedro and she is having a hard time finding toilet paper! I actually had to mail her some today. She has an immune compromised daughter with anemia and I worry so much for them. Hope this crap is over soon.
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Cornbread, Fri Mar 13 2020, 01:33PM
Psychic Sylvia Browne was on Montrell Williams back in 2008. Here is a prediction she made.
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MtMan, Fri Mar 13 2020, 03:03PM
Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone, paper towels almost gone. Someone told me they heard that people from down the hill are coming up here just to hoard the toilet paper. This is insane. Even if you get the damn virus, it is a respitory illness not the other end. Mass hysteria is contagious. I am not going to say where we bought our paper because you locals should already know, not going to spread the news in case flatlanders are lurking. Plenty of snow...
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MtnBluebird, Fri Mar 13 2020, 03:17PM
I am wondering about the reasoning behind thinking the summer will make the virus go away on it's own. I see that warm equatorial countries are reporting cases...
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MtMan, Fri Mar 13 2020, 05:46PM
The following from someone called Otto Yang. He is an MD at UCLA, specializes in Infectious Diseases (https://www.uclahealth.org/otto- yang? fbclid=IwAR1l1JWIgunF3wcSMcyESVo90- kXqLaFQM6rtgHSTV-xjzvtzUOuLtD-1zk) Here is one of his posts on his FB page and it looks legit to me. So, don't bite my head off, just passing on what seems to be good info:
COVID-19 update:
I've seen so much misinformation making the rounds, and increasing panic, so I thought I'd share my thoughts in follow-up to my earlier posts. The situation is continuing to evolve, but overall nothing has changed drastically from my prior posts.
Transmission and protecting yourself: All RELIABLE data to date still indicate that the virus is carried in respiratory droplets from infected persons who cough/sneeze and NOT aerosol. What this means is that the virus doesn't float through the air and you don't get infected by breathing the same air as an infected person. To get infected, a person has to cough forcefully in your face so that droplets land directly on susceptible cells in your eyes, nose, or mouth. Alternatively, the droplets with virus land on a surface, you touch that surface, and you touch your face. This means that unless you are directly in close contact with an infected person, no mask is necessary (e.g. walking in public places where you are several feet away from others). If you're in a crowded area face to face with others, a regular mask may be appropriate (with eyewear). The mask isn't acting as a filter; it is acting as a shield against droplets.
So that also means an N95 is not needed. It is no more useful as a shield than a regular mask. One thing that HAS changed since my last posts is that authorities are relaxing about healthcare professionals wearing N95 masks. The Canadian CDC for example is requiring only normal masks in hospitals (unless the patient is getting a high risk procedure that generates a lot of aerosol) and normal isolation rooms without negative airflow. Our own CDC as well as local public health authorities are also considering downgrading their current isolation protocols. There are reassuring reports, such as two airplane passengers with COVID-19 on a 15 hour flight who did not transmit to anyone on the plane.
Bottom line: You don't need an N95, and you don't even need a regular mask. You might consider a regular mask if you will be in very crowded areas especially around international travelers, and if you are at higher risk for serious illness.
Who is at risk for serious illness? The data are clear that age is a major factor. Mortality takes off rapidly starting around age 40-50. Still, as I discussed earlier, current mortality estimates appear to be quite high, and true mortality is probably much lower due to underdiagnosis of mild cases. Best guess now is that overall 80% of people have mild illness not requiring hospitalization. About 5% will have very severe illness. This is overall; again age is a huge factor. No children under 10 have died according to a large case series from China (with the caveat that their reports are not always reliable). What will the final overall mortality rate be? It seems highly likely that it will be south of 1% (versus the current media reports of >3%). Perhaps 0.5% or less? We'll see. But it's not like the 1918 Spanish flu that had a mortality that some estimated to be as high as 10%.
Besides masks, handwashing and surface decontamination are absolutely essential. It's not clear how long the virus lives on a surface, although people are citing very detailed exact numbers.... We don't know, but it's moot. Who cares? Treat every surface like it could have virus. Again, bleach or lysol-type wipes and sprays are extremely effective. Hand sanitizer should have at least 60% alcohol; soap and water are better if you can wash your hands. If stores are sold out, buy rubbing alcohol and mix it with a moisterizer like aloe gel at a ratio of 1 part to 2 parts alcohol (66% alcohol).
Should you stop going to public places and events? General rule: If you can control your distance from other people and decontaminate things you have to touch, it's probably OK. Again, the virus doesn't float in aerosol. So, if you go to a gym and can wipe stuff down and you can keep a distance from people, that's probably fine. Going to a punk concert where people are slam dancing... not so much. And again, this has to be weighed with personal risk, including your age. Diabetes, chronic lung disease, and cardiovascular disease are also significant risks for severe disease. Weigh all this in your decision. Also remember, you need to protect those around you, and that is a matter of personal responsibility. You want to protect not only yourself, but everyone you know who may be exposed to you, and weigh that in your risks too.
There has been a document "from Stanford" floating around. It demonstrates a dangerous trend, which is mixing true useful information that comes from reliable sources with total nonsense. Washing hands? Yes, absolutely. Gargling with saline? Not useful. Taking deep breaths to see if you have lung fibrosis? Nonsense that is not even worthy of being on House MD. Drinking water every 15 minutes to wash the virus into your stomach where it is killed by acid? Makes absolutely no sense; once a virus hits a cell it will stick and enter quickly. This is only useful for causing you to pee every 15 minutes. Garlic? Nope. Essential oils? Nope. Bleach? Drinking bleach is a good way to die. Sesame oil? Smells nice but won't help.
What's on the horizon for treatment? Right now, treatment is "supportive care," which means providing oxygen and breathing artificially if you can't breathe well enough, until your body recovers naturally. The virus causes an inflammatory process in the lungs that impairs their ability to exchange oxygen. If the inflammation gets very bad, your body can develop shock, with low blood pressure and multiple organ failure, which is the common "sepsis" syndrome seen with any overwhelming infection. As for specific treatment, the most promising agent now is a drug that was being developed to treat SARS before it disappeared, called remdesivir. It blocks an enzyme used by the virus to reproduce its genetic material. A few major medical centers are involved in clinical trials of this drug (I am the principal investigator who has enrolled UCLA in a trial), and the company with this drug (Gilead) has a program to issue the drug as a "compassionate use" agent, i.e. a doctor can request it for desperate cases, although my understanding is that Gilead is being overwhelmed with these requests and it may be hard to get.
A big unknown that has not been discussed much in the press is seasonality. The other coronaviruses (including SARS) tend to be most active in fall-winter months and wane dramatically in spring-summer. SARS in fact totally disappeared, never to return (again all expectations and predictions). I doubt this virus will disappear, but we may see a dramatic decline when the weather warms; it's too early to say if we'll be this lucky.
In the meantime, we all need to take personal responsibility to slow its spread. We won't stop it, but we may reduce the number of cases and save many lives. Even if in the worst case scenario we can't reduce the number of cases, just slowing it down will be very helpful. The problem in Italy now, where there aren't enough ventilators for patients and they are dying in the hallways, is that too many cases have presented all at once. If we slow it down so that the cases we get are spread out over time, that will prevent our health system from being overwhelmed in that way. It's like releasing water from a dam; a controlled flow is manageable but a sudden onslaught is not.
Above all, be rational and don't panic. We'll get through this. Hopefully our CDC will step up and overcome its completely inadequate management of surveillance and testing thus far, and private companies will bring testing online to make up for this egregious shortcoming of CDC leadership. This information will be crucial for our dealing with this.
If people have questions, I can try my best to answer them. If I don't know the answer, I will tell you, and try to find an expert who does.
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MtMan, Fri Mar 13 2020, 08:08PM
All schools closed for BVUSD.
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Benny ⭐, Fri Mar 13 2020, 09:08PM
Absolutely viruses still spread in the summer months, but as a general rule during the colder winter months, people's immune systems tend to get worn down more. And when it's cold out or during bad weather, it drives people indoors, in closed/close quarters, increasing the potential for spread.
During the warmer months, people get outdoors more and spread out a little bit, lessening the threat & spread, which is why winter is always "flu season". But people still get and spread the cold & flu any month.
No real science to it, just human pattern....
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MrOwl, Sat Mar 14 2020, 08:09AM
When you have a run on TP just order the booty washer
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wisteria1, Sat Mar 14 2020, 09:46AM
"Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone"
I got an email this morning that all of the Albertson's company stores (including Vons) are instituting purchase limits to stop the hoarders.
But I'm completely baffled by the specific run on TP. If you don't have any friends or neighbors who would be willing to pick up a pack for you and leave it on your doorstep if you asked, you're likely so socially isolated that you don't have enough human contact to be at much of a risk.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 14 2020, 10:11AM
Yeah that stinks, literally. And the sad part is, if it were in stock then ok, they buy one, go out to the car come back in, go to another checker and buy another. Just get what you need people, we won't run out if you just do what you've always done!
It's a stretch, but if people are coming up to hoard our stuff, I would start carding at the door(s), residents only into grocery stores!
Probably not realistic but geeze!
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SSJ2012, Sat Mar 14 2020, 01:54PM
Apparently Italy is doing just that, 1 resident is allowed to go to the market and they are limited to how much they get. We should do that here before it gets too insane and those who need the items the most don’t go without. Personally, our family has always been stocked well in case of an earthquake or snowstorm. We may end up just using that until calm as returned.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 14 2020, 05:18PM
Actually there is science to it. :-) I was reading a statement from a researcher at the Univ of Hong Kong who is widely respected as an expert with Coronavirus. He said that this virus doesn't replicate well in warm humid environments. I don't want to quote exact without going back and looking up numbers but he gave the science for it. AND yes he also said that combined with the viruses normal preference for cool (not cold) temps that people tend to be in enclosed spaces during the winter leading to higher infection rates in the winter.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 14 2020, 05:22PM
World Health Organization has a page of Coronavirus Myth Busters. I dont' know how to paste the relevant info here but this is the address: [Click Here]
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CoyotePass, Sat Mar 14 2020, 06:18PM
Casue you know, those flatlanders are gonna drive 3 or 4 hours on freeways and mountain roads from L.A. or SD or OC JUST to buy all our TP.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 14 2020, 06:55PM
Unfortunately they do strange things. I've seen it over and over again. They come up here and buy things they can easily buy at their homes and carry them packed into their cars back down the hill. Go into any of the stores here on a weekend and look. Go into KMart and look during holidays. It's amazing to me but it does happen - as strange and illogical as it is.
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WaveSlider, Sat Mar 14 2020, 10:45PM
Sorry to hear my money is no good in BB.
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Mtncwby, Sun Mar 15 2020, 07:36AM
With the closure of the resorts I'm hoping we get a break from the visitors so we can feed and take care of our OWN families. Big bear simply can't handle all the tourists. ... Let's go back to the 70s when it was a lot more calm.
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Jellylorum, Sun Mar 15 2020, 08:59AM
San Bernardino County recommendations may mean some events, meetings, etc. may be cancelled or modified.
Their announcement is viewable here:
[Click Here]
The guidelines from the State of California, which SBCO is also endorsing, are here:
gathering_guidance_03.11.20.pdf
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Jellylorum, Sun Mar 15 2020, 09:23AM
Big Bear Fire Department posted the following on their Facebook page Saturday at 5:11 pm.
A message from us on the Coronavirus (Covid-19).
We are following CDC guidelines and working with Bear Valley Community Hospital in preparation for any cases on the mountain that may present itself.
Changes in 9-1-1 care that you can expect during these unique times:
-Dispatch will ask specific questions to help identify if the patient is showing signs and symptoms of the virus
-Only one crew member may approach the door and escort the patient outside to the ambulance
-Obviously if more than one crew member is needed for assistance, this will happen
-A mask will be placed on the patient
-Transport to BVCH will be done and the patient will be quarantined and tested
With the schools and ski resorts closed, hopefully Big Bear can avoid any cases, or at least limit the number of cases. Please wash your hands and drink plenty of water.
Thank you!
***
They stated in comments that the hospital is prepared to handle all cases (including some that may need ventilators). The most serious cases, may be transferred.
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RH_Runner, Sun Mar 15 2020, 10:14AM
Went to Stater's in Arrowhead this morning. They were letting shoppers in and out of one door only and there were probably 25 carts/shoppers waiting in line to get in! Thankfully, I only needed two items, so I just left.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 11:02AM
Let the memes begin!
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BootsNBridles, Sun Mar 15 2020, 11:08AM
Please don't take this personally. It's a crisis situation. Things are different. If you think about how limited the resources are in Big Bear and how many people live here and may need those resources, you can see how limiting visitors makes sense. I am pretty darn sure that NONE of our visitors would appreciate it if all of Big Bear descended on their local stores and wiped them clean.
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Mtngoat John⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 11:28AM
Coronavirus Pandemic, day 3.
If anyone is still out there, I’m alive but struggling. Food is running low. Down to only 770 days worth. My hands are sanitized and my butt is super clean. Power still on, but for how long? Missing human interaction. I fear dark days ahead. News is all bad. Last few friends have leaped from buildings to their death, (or near death... most have single story homes so they are badly bruised). Basic necessities are gone though. MLB NBA NHL NASCAR NCAA all gone. Oh did I mention MLB.. Basic Survival is a definite challenge without it. I am a survivor! Please, if there is life out there, communicate!
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Jellylorum, Sun Mar 15 2020, 11:37AM
[quote]
Let the memes begin!
I've been transitioning to eBooks, but I still have several hundred paper books. I'm set with book pages for TP, if necessary. If I run out of firewood, I could burn them, a la Fahrenheit 451.
Uh-oh. I need to memorize one of them, so I can become a Living Book.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 01:21PM
First case of novel coronavirus recorded within county
San Bernardino County today recorded its first case of novel coronavirus. The case appeared in a Kaiser Fontana patient who returned from London, U.K., sometime last week. The test was administered by Quest Diagnostics on Thursday, March 12. The results were reported to the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health today.
The patient, a 53-year-old female, presented herself to the Kaiser Fontana emergency department on March 12 with symptoms consistent with COVID-19. The County Department of Public Health is working to identify the patient's contacts to monitor them for signs and symptoms of the illness and to take measures to prevent transmission. As should always be the case, people experiencing symptoms of contagious illness should seek medical guidance, not attend work or school, and avoid unnecessary contact with other people.
"We knew it was only a matter of time before we recorded our first case," said Acting County Health Officer Dr. Erin Gustafson. "This does not change our level of readiness and alert because the county is in a state of emergency, we are prepared from a public health standpoint, and our residents, cities, businesses and other key communities have been informed about safe practices."
"The health risk from COVID-19 to the general public in San Bernardino County remains low at this time, but everyone is strongly urged to engage in practices that reduce the risk of spread," Dr. Gustafson said.
"While this patient and her loved ones are in our thoughts and prayers, we want to commend the community for its strength and resilience in the face of this challenge," said Board of Supervisors Chairman Curt Hagman. "Avoiding panic and heeding the advice of public health professionals is the path that will lead us through this crisis."
On Tuesday, March 10, the County Public Health Officer and the Board of Supervisors declared a local health emergency to help ensure county government and the public would be prepared for the possibility that coronavirus would appear within the county.
On Thursday, March 12, the County Public Health Officer ordered the immediate cancellation or postponement of gatherings of more than 250 people within the county until further notice. Smaller gatherings should refer to guidance from the California Department of Public Health, which can be found here.
Various appropriate county departments and agencies have been working together since Jan. 25 to prepare for the possible arrival of the virus within the county. That is when the county was notified an aircraft carrying U.S. citizens evacuated from the region in China where the virus had originated might be arriving at Ontario International Airport. The flight was eventually diverted to Riverside County. The County Department of Public Health activated its Department Operations Center on Feb. 13.
As with any virus, especially during the cold and flu season, there are a number of steps you can take to protect your health and those around you:
* As should always be the case, people experiencing symptoms of contagious illness should seek medical guidance, not attend work or school, and avoid unnecessary contact with other people.
* Wash hands with soap and warm water for 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom; before eating; and after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing. If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol.
* Avoid touching eyes, nose or mouth, especially with unwashed hands.
* Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using regular household cleaning spray or wipes.
* N95 masks are not recommended outside a healthcare setting. Surgical masks can be worn by sick individuals to reduce the likelihood of spreading germs to others.
For more information on COVID-19, please call (800) 722-4794 or visit the County Public Health COVID-19 webpage at wp.sbcounty.gov/dph/coronavirus. Information is updated as soon as it is made available.
Anyone with questions or concerns can contact County Public Health at coronavirus©dph.sbcounty.gov.
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Juliann, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:07PM
Love this !!
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MrOwl, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:26PM
Come on down to Brundage and go skiing...life goes on!
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Ernest T. Bass, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:41PM
Go Back to your bolt hole you potato head, don't forget to pick us up on the way.
I have ammo to pay my way..............................
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Ernest T. Bass, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:49PM
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Ernest T. Bass, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:54PM
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Lostinbigbear, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:04PM
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Lostinbigbear, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:14PM
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Ernest T. Bass, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:15PM
so sad................
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Lostinbigbear, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:17PM
😳😳😳
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NShore.Allen, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:41PM
had lift tix for tomorrow but and came up anyway. I wasn't concerned about quickly getting the refund as I figured the resorts had to call a few hundred people. However, got the refund at 10 am!
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HazMatMind, Sun Mar 15 2020, 04:32PM
Hooboy. You know those stories where the uncle of a friend of a friend of a friend wakes up in a hotel bathtub packed in ice to find his kidneys have been harvested?
Someone told me about a multi-forwarded email from a friend of a friend of a friend who knows a person in LAPD. Email sez they are going to quarantine ALL of LA on Tuesday -- no one allowed in or out. Sounds preposterous to me and the logistics alone would be mind-boggling. Fear factor spurs these kind of stories.
However, if you are with the LAPD and know something . . .
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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 06:00PM
Yeah that holds some weight (Sarcasm). Pretty unlikely.
It probably came from the LA Mayor ordering a full lockdown on all bars and restaurants, not the city itself.
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MrOwl, Sun Mar 15 2020, 06:44PM
Some places up here running out of propane...WTH?
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SSJ2012, Sun Mar 15 2020, 06:47PM
Benny, Last Sunday we were planning our daughter’s spring break and planning on going to Grand Prix of Long Beach, This Sunday, I’m rationing toilet paper and going through our earthquake supply kit, so nothing at this point sounds crazy.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 09:24PM
Are you asking or telling? Pretty unlikely, no reasoning for that, not exactly bbq weather. I'm sure Thomas and Ferrellgas are in good shape for filling resident's household tanks.
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SSJ2012, Mon Mar 16 2020, 12:08AM
Low tanks would make sense, people do use the smaller tanks for heaters in winter, being a weekend, they probably just ran out, should be good tomorrow when more deliveries are made.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Mar 16 2020, 07:34AM
California COVID-19 risk screening and testing site
[Click Here]
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Mar 16 2020, 07:54AM
SARS Covid 2002 Bush and 2012 Obama
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Benny ⭐, Mon Mar 16 2020, 06:58PM
The City of Big Bear Lake has daily updates on their status with the Covid-19 Coronavirus. [Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Mon Mar 16 2020, 08:34PM
NEWS
From the County of San Bernardino
[Click Here]
For Immediate Release
March 16, 2020
Second case of novel coronavirus recorded within county.
San Bernardino County today reported its second case of novel coronavirus (COVID-19) in a 54-year-old male with underlying health conditions who had come into contact with persons who had recently traveled from Washington state.
"This case does not change our level of readiness or response and it should not increase alarm among the public," said Acting County Health Officer Dr. Erin Gustafson. "The health risk from COVID-19 to the general public in San Bernardino County remains low at this time, but everyone is strongly urged to engage in practices that reduce the risk of spread."
"We are prepared from a public health standpoint, and our residents, cities, businesses and other key communities have been informed about safe practices," Dr. Gustafson said.
"We continue to commend the community for its strength and resilience in the face of this challenge," said Board of Supervisors Chairman Curt Hagman. "Avoiding panic and heeding the advice of public health professionals is the path that will lead us through this crisis. As more testing is conducted and more results come in, we thoroughly expect to see an increase in the number of reported cases."
The county reported its first case of novel coronavirus on Sunday, March 15, in someone who had recently returned from the United Kingdom.
On Tuesday, March 10, the County Public Health Officer and the Board of Supervisors declared a local health emergency to help ensure county government and the public would be prepared for the possibility that coronavirus would appear within the county and allow flexibility in response.
On Thursday, March 12, the County Public Health Officer ordered the immediate cancellation or postponement of gatherings of more than 250 people within the county until further notice. Smaller gatherings should refer to guidance from the California Department of Public Health.
Various appropriate county departments and agencies have been working together since Jan. 25 to prepare for the possible arrival of the virus within the county. The County Department of Public Health activated its Department Operations Center on Feb. 13.
As with any virus, especially during the cold and flu season, there are a number of steps you can take to protect your health and those around you:
--People experiencing symptoms of contagious illness should seek medical guidance, not attend work or school, and avoid unnecessary contact with other people.
--Wash hands with soap and warm water for 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom; before eating; and after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing. If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol.
--Avoid touching eyes, nose or mouth, especially with unwashed hands.
--Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using regular household cleaning spray or wipes.
--N95 masks are not recommended outside a healthcare setting. Surgical masks can be worn by sick individuals to reduce the likelihood of spreading germs to others.
For information about the coronavirus crisis, visit the County's coronavirus website at [Click Here], email the County at coronavirus©dph.sbcounty.gov, or contact the coronavirus public information line from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday through Friday at 909-387-3911.
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Jellylorum, Mon Mar 16 2020, 09:28PM
Some San Bernardino County facilities are now closed to the public. Included: senior center, library, zoo, planning department, parks, most social services, and Beyond the Bell.
Assistance online and by phone likely to remain available for some departments.
[Click Here]
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Ernest T. Bass, Tue Mar 17 2020, 10:41AM
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 17 2020, 12:27PM
Good one!!!!
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SCM ALERT🚨, Tue Mar 17 2020, 04:44PM
The County of San Bernardino has 2.157 million residents, as of now there are 3 cases reported in our county.
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Jellylorum, Tue Mar 17 2020, 05:23PM
San Bernardino County issues more restrictions, thru April 6 (or later).
[Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 17 2020, 05:32PM
Thanks! We posted that a while ago in News [Click Here] but forgot the throw it in here...
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doo·hick·ey, Wed Mar 18 2020, 11:26AM
There are many comprihesive & interactive maps out there to look at, on total cases reported per local counties, but this quick n dirty one rather shocked me.
For a resort visitor location, we are still at zero. Keep up your vigail BBV!
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BaughHumbug, Wed Mar 18 2020, 12:42PM
And ALL of these areas are within about a 2-hour drive (or less) to us. Please, SB County, restrict mountain access for now!!
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Benny ⭐, Wed Mar 18 2020, 12:45PM
Thanks doo! I saw this on ktla too! I imagine these numbers will go through the roof now that additional testing is rolling out. So don't panic when numbers skyrocket through the weekend. Hopefull,y with all these actions we're taking things will stabilize next week and start coming back down.
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BootsNBridles, Wed Mar 18 2020, 12:50PM
Unfortunately number of confirmed cases doesnt' really give us the info we need. Anyone with a sniffle, a cough, or a headache should get tested. A better picture is how many have been exposed. The woman in RS associated with family members before she had symptoms, and they associated with others. It's reasonable to expect more infection just from that source. These numbers are likely to rise quickly just like they did in Italy and France.
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ArchJohn, Wed Mar 18 2020, 03:26PM
Fingers crossed: [Click Here]
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Van, Wed Mar 18 2020, 07:58PM
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Mar 19 2020, 06:08AM
CDC advises against that...for now. Best you can do is stay home if you feel sick and do not require medical attention. Do not overwhelm the testing facilities.
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Airport Razz, Thu Mar 19 2020, 09:42AM
REPOST from KBHR - KUDOS to these young adults
Big Bear, CA – The Big Bear community is known for its generosity in times of need and now, during the coronavirus pandemic, Big Bear High School students are reacting by volunteering their time for our local high risk population. The high school chapter of Rotary’s Interact Club students will shop and deliver groceries particularly for senior citizens, pregnant women and Moms of newborns. The idea was suggested by student, Noah Ocon, and the Interact members quickly agreed. Interact Advisor, Julann Warren, will coordinate the logistics of the effort. Students will be trained on health protocols to keep them and others safe and will wear Interact t-shirts to identify them. Any community member over the age of 65, or at high-risk due to other issues, may utilize this free delivery service. If you, or someone you know, could benefit, or if you would like to volunteer to assist Interact or have food and goods you wish to donate, contact Julann Warren at 562-335-9339.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 19 2020, 12:52PM
Dumb ass link
[Click Here]
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Mar 19 2020, 03:40PM
Yeah they have become susceptible (young ones) as of recent.
Boots, I like to think of the total cases per county similar to watching a sporting event's scoreboard. It's the top of the pyramid final result at end of each day and informs us what we are really dealing with.
LA 192
OC 50
San Bern 5
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Last I looked
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Mar 19 2020, 04:12PM
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 19 2020, 05:29PM
Big Bear schools closed until May 1
Judi Bowers Mar 19, 2020 Updated 54 min ago 0
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Beat Valley Unified School District is joining San Bernardino County districts and will remain closed through May 1
The decision was made March 19 during a meeting with all San Bernardino County school superintendents.
During the school closures, Bear Valley Unified will continue to provide distance learning for all students. All students are expected to participate in the distance learning opportunities to master new content at their grade level and in their coursework. Teachers will provide instruction online to support ongoing student learning.
For those who have not contacted their child’s teacher or principal, do so immediately via email or your teachers’ preferred method of communication. Bear Valley Unified wants its students to continue to learn new content and be successful.
Nutrition services will continue through March 27 and will resume on April 13. Meals can be picked up between 11 and 11:45 a.m. The district plans to extend meal delivery to the elementary bus stops. The dates and times for delivery at elementary bus stops will be posted online and on the Bear Valley Unified School District website at [Click Here].
Check the district app, Facebook page, district website and school websites for updated information. Bear Valley Unified will continue to provide information.
District officials extend their sincere appreciation to the Big Bear community and families for their patience and flexibility.
[Click Here]
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BillyJean, Thu Mar 19 2020, 05:56PM
Just sayin..... [Click Here]
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MrOwl, Fri Mar 20 2020, 06:53AM
My corona
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Mar 20 2020, 10:22AM
Butcher's Block customers and friends,
As this COVID-19 (Coronavirus) continues to change daily, we at Butcher's Block are taking some steps to insure the health and safety of our employees, our families and our customers. Below are the actions we have taken to help combat the spread of the virus.
*Reducing our store hours to:
7am-4pm Monday - Friday
8am-4pm Saturday
8am-2pm Sunday
**Please know that we have been extra diligent in keeping our counters, doors and keypads as well as the entire store in general wiped down and clean.
***If you or someone you know has been sick or possibly exposed, PLEASE DO NOT come into the store. You can call us and place an order by phone and pay by credit card. We will have someone prepare your order and have it ready at a designated time/place to pick up.
As of right now, we are staying open to continue serving the needs of our community. If that changes or we are told that we must close, we will notify you immediately. We feel the most important thing is to stay home if you or someone close to you is sick. We will let you know as things change.
Thank you for your patience and understanding during this time.
Butcher's Block
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MtMan, Fri Mar 20 2020, 11:03AM
Well, the song was funny until he just had to make it political.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Mar 20 2020, 04:45PM
recommend the general population to seek medical help at their nearest emergency room hospital.
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San Bernardino County public health officials reported four news cases of coronavirus on Friday afternoon, bringing the county's total of confirmed cases to nine. The county has not yet reported any fatalities as a result of COVID-19.
Lana Culp, spokesperson for the county health department, declined to provide more information about the people who tested positive for the virus.
County officials expect more cases to emerge as more tests results are reported, they said in a statement.
Acting county health officer Dr. Erin Gustafson urged people to comply with Gov. Gavin Newsom's statewide stay-at-home order to reduce transmission of the virus. The state reported 1,006 positive cases and 19 deaths, as of Friday afternoon.
“These orders are not intended to spark panic, but rather reduce the spread of infection and minimize the number of people who get sick at any one time to keep our healthcare system functioning," Gustafson said in a statement. “We must assume and behave as if the virus is everywhere."
An unused testing vial for coronavirus sits on a table at a drive-up testing site in Indian Wells, Calif., on Wednesday, March 18, 2020. © Taya Gray/The Desert Sun An unused testing vial for coronavirus sits on a table at a drive-up testing site in Indian Wells, Calif., on Wednesday, March 18, 2020.
In nearby Riverside County, there were 28 confirmed cases of coronavirus as of Friday afternoon, 16 of which were reported from the Coachella Valley.
Of the 28 cases, four were fatal, and all were residents of the Coachella Valley, according to county spokesperson Brooke Federico.
This story is developing. Check back for updates.
This article originally appeared on Palm Springs Desert Sun: Coronavirus update: San Bernardino County reports 4 new cases, bringing total to 9
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Jellylorum, Fri Mar 20 2020, 05:02PM
Call the ER first!
They will instruct you on how to proceed. They may have you use a particular entrance, they may wish to meet you at the car and escort you inside.
Apparently somebody here in Big Bear did not call first, and ER staff had a meltdown. Per Facebook..
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Mar 20 2020, 05:12PM
Four new cases of novel coronavirus recorded within county
Published March 20, 2020 | By Administrator
San Bernardino County today reported four news cases of novel coronavirus (COVID-19). The county now has a total of nine confirmed cases and no deaths attributable to the disease.
The county reported its first case on Sunday, March 15. Additional cases are expected to emerge as more test results are reported to the County.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom and the State Public Health Officer on Thursday issued a statewide stay-at-home order with exceptions for essential tasks and services. See details here: [Click Here].
“Complying with public health orders is essential to our continued health and safety,” said Acting County Health Officer Dr. Erin Gustafson. “These orders are not intended to spark panic, but rather reduce the spread of infection and minimize the number of people who get sick at any one time to keep our healthcare system functioning.”
“We must assume and behave as if the virus is everywhere,” Dr. Gustafson said.
On March 10, the County Public Health Officer and the Board of Supervisors declared a local health emergency to help ensure county government and the public would be prepared and allow flexibility in response.
Various county departments and agencies have been working together since Jan. 25 to prepare for the possible arrival of the virus within the county. The County Department of Public Health activated its Department Operations Center on Feb. 13.
As with any virus, especially during the cold and flu season, there are a number of steps you can take to protect your health and those around you:
People experiencing symptoms of contagious illness should seek medical guidance.
Persons aged 65 years and older and persons of any age with certain underlying health conditions are at increased risk should they contract COVID-19 and are encouraged to self-quarantine.
Wash hands with soap and warm water for 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom; before eating; and after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing. If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol.
Avoid touching eyes, nose or mouth, especially with unwashed hands.
Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using regular household cleaning spray or wipes.
N95 masks are not recommended outside a healthcare setting. Surgical masks can be worn by sick individuals to reduce the likelihood of spreading germs to others.
For information about the coronavirus crisis, visit the County’s coronavirus website at wp.sbcounty.gov/dph/coronavirus, contact the coronavirus public information line from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday through Friday at (909) 387-3911, or email the County at coronavirus©dph.sbcounty.gov.
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RH_Runner, Sat Mar 21 2020, 07:35AM
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Skier, Sat Mar 21 2020, 08:15AM
I had a unopened box of 20 N95 masks on hand. Yesterday my wife mailed them to our daughter's friend who works at Cedars Sinai hospital as a nurse. She said they are completely out of masks and have been told they need to provide their own. Currently they are sharing masks with coworkers or going without. So sad and infuriating that they cannot get the supplies they need.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 21 2020, 11:11AM
So, I've got to say this out loud because it’s becoming too big of a coincidence to not. The more I talk to people the more it becomes comes obvious this virus has already been going around for months.
Food for thought, there's a strong possibility many of us have already had this flu when it went around back in January/early Feb., before we knew it was a thing.
In early February I had all those symptoms, fever, trouble breathing, etc., and I don't have asthma. But I went to the doctor per the norm, got meds and within a week or two it moved on and I returned to normal life, thinking it was just the 'big bear crud' going around.
Don't be amazed when the # of cases spike as we play catchup with testing, and don't panic, but the fact LA and NYC are no longer trying to contain it makes you scratch your head.
There might be a few that think I'm crazy, but those of you that had the crud in previous months, seriously think about it. Talking to family, friends, and colleagues, we all had the same symptoms.
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moco, Sat Mar 21 2020, 12:07PM
Interesting my wife and I were looking back at our texts and we had the same symptoms back around February 11. Daughter had it too but. Got better super fast, as a teen.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 21 2020, 12:20PM
Yeah see, I had it around Feb 3rd... I think the more people think back, they'll realize wow, it's been here awhile and we're all ok!
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Squatch, Sat Mar 21 2020, 01:09PM
Mrs SQUATCH and I both had "the Crud" back around Dec or Jan, had many of the same symptoms described with this virus.
Looking back, who knows what crud we had but makes you think, took much longer than usual to kick this thing, aprox 14+ days with a lingering cough...
FYI - We both work from our home and didn`t venture out while sick in case anyone is wondering!
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NShore.Allen, Sat Mar 21 2020, 01:59PM
the good news: if there is a large population that has experienced the virus and fully recovered, they carry anti-bodies. This is a crucial element in creating treatments and vaccines.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 21 2020, 02:10PM
Bingo! I hope all the 'experts' realize this.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 21 2020, 04:53PM
oh They do! As soon as more tests become available then even those with minor symptoms can be tested and eventually those with no symptoms will be tested. Then we will really know.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 21 2020, 06:36PM
Yeah that's the big question, will they have a way to test down the road to see if you've had it in the past, and would it matter? For curiosity's sake I s'pose, it would be interesting to see how far and wide this really went. I'm sure for many of us, it's already come and gone without even realizing it.
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abitsquirrely, Sun Mar 22 2020, 07:07AM
Wait a minute... I also had some kinda "thing" back in January. Sudden onset of stiff neck, shortness of breath, low fever, total lack of appetite. It lasted two weeks and was over as fast as it started. My daughter had mild symptoms of stomach flu, no appetite. Hers lasted two weeks also. BTW, I'm 74 and my daughter is 50, both in good health. The Dr. (up here) said to both of us "must be something going around". Little did he know......
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Around The Lake, Sun Mar 22 2020, 09:58AM
Thank you for your post as it dose give you time to pause to think for a moment. Yes the “Big Bear Crud” was definitely making its rounds late Nov and throughout December and even in to feb. the resorts where reviving a lot of call in for sick days. I am not convinced that this epidemic is much different. Yes unfortunately there are people passing away from this and if you or somebody you know has passed away from this or pneumonia or the flu it is truly a tragedy. But the true numbers show the infection rate versus the death rate are extremely different. All I can say is I am as well as most of the state as well as people all over the world may be at “stay in place “ orders. This is definitely a wake up call . We definitely need to bring back a lot of manufacturing to the US and stop relying on China. Stay safe and be kind to each other
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Airport Razz, Mon Mar 23 2020, 09:09AM
Let me throw this out there. You all might just remember that the first few months of 2018 was another devastating round of the Big Bear Crud. problem with it this time was there were a number of people that didn't have the on/off for 3-4 weeks but were dropped to their knees and home bound for 6-8 weeks. I remember coming home from work New Years Eve, going to bed and not coming back to the office until March. Ended up on an inhaler thanks to that little bought. Didn't have enough air in my lungs to climb into my truck. And there wasn't the periods of feeling OK before crud attacked. This one was full on and again, didn't feel like the flu. HMMMMMMMMMMMM
Side thought, if these oddball sicknesses were something to do with CoronaVirus, then maybe there is possibility we might have something of an immunity like a vaccine. Hope hope hope
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SSJ2012, Mon Mar 23 2020, 01:26PM
[Click Here]
Press release from county on STR
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CoyotePass, Tue Mar 24 2020, 10:46AM
The biggest, most blatant irony of all for me in this whole panic is that the resulting global recession, which has already begun, will claim far far far more lives than this virus. Recessions are deadly, particularly for those who's incomes were marginal to begin with.
"A 2016 study by researchers at Imperial College London found that the last global financial crisis caused 500,000 cancer deaths worldwide between 2008 and 2010. They found a correlation between each percentage increase in unemployment, and an uptick in cancer deaths.
Another study in 2014 by University of Oxford researchers found over 10,000 suicides tied to the Great Recession in the U.S., Canada and Europe. The two studies referenced above found 510,000 deaths directly tied to the Great Recession."
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 24 2020, 11:04AM
DOW is up like 1500 points today....
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CoyotePass, Tue Mar 24 2020, 03:08PM
The DOW gain was in response to a hopeful passage of a stimulus bill. The unemployment numbers come out Thursday. Goldman Sachs is projecting a possible 2.25 million or more new jobless claims in the next few weeks. That's a gigantic number in a very short time period. That's going to hit like a ton of bricks; unemployed people don't spend money.
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Airport Razz, Tue Mar 24 2020, 03:33PM
Except for booze, cigs and drugs. They always seem to have money for those necessities. That isn't going to recharge our economy.
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ArchJohn, Wed Mar 25 2020, 11:33AM
Good news from New York; social distancing is working and the curve is starting to flatten:
[Click Here]
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CoyotePass, Wed Mar 25 2020, 02:50PM
Here's the thing Airport. I'm now unemployed from the hotel industry, and who knows for how long. I went to the grocery store yesterday and one of my purchases was the biggest bottle of vodka I can afford. Now I don't smoke and I don't do drugs but if you think I'm gonna get through this without alcohol you're freaking nuts. For the sake of my neighbors and society in general vodka and coffee are a must, food is optional.
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Airport Razz, Wed Mar 25 2020, 03:44PM
CP, Trust me, I fully understand the why. Have been down in the portion of the gutter before and a lot of your time is spent just ignoring and looking the other way at your plight. Sometimes it is just a challenge to make to the next day with some assemblence of sanity. CHEERS
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HazMatMind, Wed Mar 25 2020, 06:01PM
A song for these times by the great Richard Thompson.
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BootsNBridles, Thu Mar 26 2020, 10:18AM
A small Italian town, 3000 people, was the epicenter of covid-19 in Italy. How did they manage to stop the virus in it's tracks? Sounds like we could do this pretty easily! [Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 28 2020, 12:28AM
San Bernardino County to release coronavirus data by city when it hits 100 cases [Click Here]
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Airport Razz, Sat Mar 28 2020, 06:31AM
BNB, even with the mayor a statistic, our officials both city and county don't have the balls to take the steps necessary to protect our valley from the catastrophe. At this point even 2nd home owners should have to show absolute necessity to utilize their mountain property. I'm not ready for Marshal Law but it is an inevitability due to the inability of the American society to follow simple requests. To much 'It Isn't About Me' or 'That Rule Can't Be For Me' for it to not happen. We see it every major weekend and holiday up here. People just doing stupid crap because it just isn't about them.
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BBNona, Sat Mar 28 2020, 08:17AM
Thanks for the article Boots.. very interesting
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ArchJohn, Sat Mar 28 2020, 01:43PM
When are we going to start seeing results of staying-at-home and social distancing? It would seem to be about two weeks from that time, which is supposed to be the virus' incubation period.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 28 2020, 02:21PM
They are already reporting a flattening of the curve in places where they, are you ready? TESTED for the virus two weeks ago! We have no way of knowing how well it's working since we have no idea how many are actually sick. Lets just think about the valley. Looking at the last census figures there's approx 17,000 people in the entire Valley. The county estimates about 8% as an infection rate. That means that 1,360 people in our valley potentially have Covid-19. HOWEVER we have no idea if there are more, or less, or more are being infected or less BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET TESTED.
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Cap'n Crunch, Mon Mar 30 2020, 08:05AM
Fortunately, this message didn't come from Mrs. Crunch.
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MrOwl, Mon Mar 30 2020, 08:40AM
Funny Cap'n
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Mar 30 2020, 09:47AM
We are at 111 cases and 3 deaths. App needs to be installed to read full article. Any data by city yet?
San Bern had drive-thru testing Friday and nearly 400 were tested. Presently, No appointments are being taken. So because of our low totals, is that the reasoning behind keeping us in the dark?
**EDIT: Victorville is said to have the next drive-thru testing 1st week of April.**
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Mar 30 2020, 10:22AM
Removed post
Dashboard from sbcounty . gov was already listed on COVID RESOURCES page [Click Here] Thx SCM.
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SDGrandma, Mon Mar 30 2020, 11:29AM
An opinion from a person (me) that was around during the Polio epidemic of 1949 . Several of my friends ended up in iron lungs. The same issues of staying away from people especially kids existed and there was so very little information since it had to be on the radio at a certain time or you read it on a flyer that was nailed to a telephone pole. Almost 3 thousand died a lot of them children out of about 43, 000 "known" cases. That is about 16 of every 100 people!
If you are looking for a "date" to be able to go out and join others without worrying about the social distancing I suggest you plan for it around August 2020 then back to social distancing from beginning of November 2020 thru June of 2021! The next two to three weeks will not be pleasant and unless by some miracle there is a medicine readily available I fear the cases will be 4 Xs what they are today.
Testing now is only as good as the day it is done. There are thousands of people that may have it and have no clue just as they have no clue about having the regular flu or strep throat or Hepatitis . Carriers exist for almost every disease with the carrier having no symptoms or reason to think they are carriers. You could be one of them. So you go test tomorrow and then on Wednesday you are now a carrier. Are you going to test every day? So distance between people is the answer for now.
Go visit some neighbors that are on your street by talking to each other at 12 feet apart.....go for a walk. Those are recommended as long as you don;t have a group converging on an area.
Both my son in law and daughter are in Law enforcement and have to work. My daughter has MS but still works. My oldest granddaughter suffers from Crohns disease and I have lungs that look like broken glass due to massive radiation for Cancer in the 70's! Talk about concerns! I am taking care and home schooling the 3 grandkids, cooking and trying my best to stay positive and sane. And praying their parents stay healthy and don't being home any unwelcome presents.
Participating on this site is the highlight of my day. My plan is to nag you all in staying sane and healthy. Think this through and remember you only know what you know and do not know what you do not know. I would suggest that everyone on this planet is in that same boat right now. Anger and frustration take too much of a toil on us. Turn up the music, sing and laugh as often as you can. Where are all you joke tellers when we need you? !bighug
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MrOwl, Mon Mar 30 2020, 11:47AM
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solargardens, Mon Mar 30 2020, 12:52PM
SDGrandma,
I remember the polio epidemic very well as a child in Anaheim.
Walking down Center street seeing children in iron lungs with a donation can at the side.
I will never forget that sight.
terrible
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Dave™, Mon Mar 30 2020, 01:01PM
I remember it as well very vividly. It was 1956-57 when we were visiting my mother's parents in Chicago and she ended up in an iron lung. Scared the heck out of this 13 year old but she survived and learned to walk again. Not anything I'd like to go through again!
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SDGrandma, Mon Mar 30 2020, 01:08PM
solar.... you and I are here because someone in our family made sure we followed the rules..... I was in New York City and lived in an apartment , it was summer and you had to stay inside..... nasty, humid, hot ,boring! The Shadow, Hopalong Cassidy, The Lone Ranger on the radio........in the evening.... .I wonder if my parents ever recovered from the insanity of us inside all summer because my brother and I were not angels..... so moving forward to 2020 ..... 71 years later......the weather is different, the entertainment a heck of a lot better..... communication overwhelming....... same instructions stay home stay apart........ It worked then.......
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solargardens, Mon Mar 30 2020, 02:47PM
Yep, Truth, Justice and the American way.
Quite different then.
Still try to live by that message.
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Deb Doodah, Mon Mar 30 2020, 08:55PM
Thank you to you youngsters that are sharing your perspectives and what you learned from the past. We are really spoiled these days and don’t appreciate how good we have it during our house arrest. .
As hard as all of this is on us, I think everyone needs to realize it could be worse, much worse! So, instead of snapping at each other and trying to egg others on, we should all be helping and supporting each other. We are not all going to agree all the time, but respect the differences and get on with living and learning.
So, is there anyone here that needs assistance, that we can help? Maybe a virtual hug or someone to FaceTime with so they know they are not in this alone. Tog their we will get through this guys unless we continue to try and kill each other with negativity and hate.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Mon Mar 30 2020, 10:59PM
Thx Deb, well said! Very beautifully put!
Speaking of eggs and help! Im addition to Teddy Bears Restaurant and Wyatt's at the convention center offering up pantry items, Glazed n’ Amuzed is open on Moonridge as well. They are stocked with milk, eggs, bread, sodas, snacks, etc for the moonridge community!
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Dave™, Tue Mar 31 2020, 09:40AM
That's a name I don't recognize, SCM ALERT. Where exactly is Glazed n' Amuzed?
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BootsNBridles, Tue Mar 31 2020, 11:40AM
If you are feeling too closed in I would recommend reading some of the novels written about the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1918. ONE HUNDRED MILLION people died. An easy to read book that gives a good overview of living in America at that time is A Time of Angels by Hesse. It's a young adults book but the subject matter is anything but. After reading what it could be if we didn't know what we do now it makes staying home and practicing social distancing so much easier!
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 31 2020, 12:16PM
Early numbers are showing a recovery rate of 97.5% in critical patients when using Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin....near full recovery is accomplished on these patients within 5 days of administering the drug combo.
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ArchJohn, Tue Mar 31 2020, 12:37PM
Butler, that is good news. Where did you see this?
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 31 2020, 01:36PM
Forbes and the Journal. But the numbers are still a bit too small to call it a conclusive victory. We will just have to wait and see, but the early stages of using the drug are a glimmer of hope.
Additionally, there was another article that may help ease the minds of those who are getting nervous about the RNA virus' ability to mutate....
As most of our knowledge of RNA viruses show...when these viruses do mutate they do it so incredibly quick that they tend to grow weaker rather than stronger. It is because these rapid mutations generally do not help the virus and they cannot be reversed by the virus. Additionally, alot of the scientific community agrees that if you have had COVID-19 you probably wont get it again (at least this year)....but most of what we know right now is so new and circumstantial. Just wanted to share a few positive notes instead of the normal panic.
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doo·hick·ey, Wed Apr 01 2020, 10:43AM
Interesting. Dog sniffer testing in UK [Click Here] BBC news.
"If this is proven, the dogs could be used to screen anyone, including those with no symptoms."
and
Cedars-Sinai starts clinical trials w/Remdesivir. [Click Here]
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wisteria1, Wed Apr 01 2020, 05:53PM
Also on the bright side, I've been watching the SB County Dashboard for the last week and one statistic (that I have not seen for other counties) is the number of negative tests performed so far - averaging around 90% (which is pretty darned good since this first round of testing is restricted to Tier 1, medical personnel, first responders, and those showing significant symptoms and a high degree of suspicion for the virus).
But I'll throw this out there as a request - when you're out in public, like grocery stores, please watch your kids extra closely. Small children have no clue on "social distancing" or what 3-6 feet would be and a lot of children (and even some adults I have observed) will pick up and discard 10 candy bars whilst waiting in the checkout line before they choose one.
But gotta love the new giant plexi sneezeguards at checkout at Goodwins - anything to keep those cashiers safe while they bravely sell us our needed "stuff". They're probably exposed to as many cooties as most healthcare workers.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Apr 02 2020, 07:16AM
Another thing to consider here....
My Grandfather who lives in Wisconsin was admitted to the hospital last week. He's 90 years old and became ill with pneumonia/COVID like symptoms. They tested him 3 TIMES! They all came back negative, but they used 3 tests on him. I assume this is somewhat common and I am wondering how many people are being tested multiple times....
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Tlingit, Thu Apr 02 2020, 07:25AM
BPF, it's not common but multiple test happen. Suspected false positive/negative, or incorrect labeling will warrant an additional test. Best to him.
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MrOwl, Thu Apr 02 2020, 07:30AM
Our 68 year old neighbor also has severe pneumonia and test was negative. She had traveled to Ohio to pick up her sister kicked out of a closing rehab.
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Airport Razz, Fri Apr 03 2020, 02:56PM
Well, it's all a little realer today than it was last week. Just made the call to the insurance agent and got my policies on a 60 day waiver. Not sure where to come up with 3 months payment in 60-days not working but at least have 60 days now to figure that out.
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Cap'n Crunch, Sun Apr 05 2020, 08:56AM
Newport Beach has banned short-term rentals. In an OC Register article today, it showed that some (but not all) tourist beach communities have a much higher rate of Covid infection than inland cities. The average inland rate is 1-3 cases per 10,000 residents. San Clemente was 5.7, Newport Beach 8.0 and Laguna Beach 13.3. Someone who is tracking the stats for Big Bear valley may want to post it's rate for comparison.
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Airport Razz, Sun Apr 05 2020, 09:16AM
News from South Lake Tahoe. Notice from County:
[Click Here]
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NShore.Allen, Sun Apr 05 2020, 09:44AM
From google search, BB City population (2018 est) 13860 cases = 2 as of 4/3/20 cases per 10,000 = 1.44
BB Lake population 5300, cases = 3 as of 4/3/20 cases per 10,000 = 5.66
With such a small population in Big Bear Lake, just one case makes a large number per 10K
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Airport Razz, Sun Apr 05 2020, 10:16AM
Been a while since in Algebra and Statistics but thinking that just a couple more would put us up at the top of the charts. Not a status I would prefer.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Apr 05 2020, 02:41PM
Super easy Razz, refesher:
Number of cases divided by population, times 100.
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wisteria1, Sun Apr 05 2020, 02:53PM
I noticed that the other day, Cap'n, but West Hollywood/Beverly Hills also have the highest per capita rate in LA County.
The beach communities you mentioned are the most affluent in OC.
Are they really sicker than us normal folks or do they just have better access to health care and "cutting in line" on faster testing? (as has been documented with sports teams, celebrities etc who have been tactless enough to advertise their negative tests in an asymptomatic condition. The rest of us have to be semi-conscious and coughing up frogs in order to qualify for testing).
The statistics are going to be almost uninterpretable until widespread testing is available.
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NShore.Allen, Sun Apr 05 2020, 03:30PM
In California (pop 40,000,000) 126,000 have been tested with 18,000 test backlog. Of the sample set, 12,026 have tested positive, 10.48% rate. However, testing is done to people with symptoms meaning 89% did not have COVID-19. And 126,000 test sample is 0.3% of the population.
It's impossible to draw conclusions from such a small, highly selective sample size (remember, only sick people are tested), the margin of error is larger than the positive test results.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Apr 06 2020, 09:15PM
102 years back in Nineteen Hundred and Eighteen
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CoyotePass, Tue Apr 07 2020, 06:18PM
Inquiring minds want to know. Does this face mask order mean that the weekenders two doors down who came up two days ago need to be wearing face masks when they play in the back yard and scream their stupid fool heads off. But really since the shelter in place order didn't faze them I doubt this would either. Yeah, I'm a little cranky from all the screaming and dog barking and the freaking back yard light that shines in through my bedroom curtains at night because apparently they're afraid of the boggy man or something. I've watched FOUR of my part time neighbors come and go from their cabins in the last two weeks REPEATEDLY. WTF? Since when does shelter in place mean drive for two or three hours to shelter in place for three days then drive back?
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Benny ⭐, Tue Apr 07 2020, 06:26PM
Obivously they're not supposed to be there in the first place, so they're breaking the rulez, unless they're the homeowners, but even still, no common sense. I have a place in the desert I'm dying to go visit, but not literally, so I won't go, just being responsible.
And no, you do not need to wear a mask when outside on your property, just going out in public. So, in theory, yes when you're out walking your dog, etc. Anywhere you could potentially have human interaction. But if you keep your 6ft distance then the mask is not really needed. Just an added level of protection, they'll probably change their minds again tho.
They're worse than the gun stores in LA!
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CoyotePass, Tue Apr 07 2020, 06:52PM
I had to go to the bank today. I was wearing a beanie cause it was snowing and a face mask. All I could think was three months ago they'd of hit the alarm the second they saw me. Strange days. The order actually says "when leaving home", so technically i suppose I'm supposed to wear it when I'm driving alone in my car too. The devil's in the details.
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NShore.Allen, Tue Apr 07 2020, 10:14PM
I thought about that as well. No longer Is entering a store, bank, post office, with your face covered considered suspicious, it’s required by the Heath dept..
Times, they are a changing.
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rdoctor, Tue Apr 07 2020, 11:27PM
It's unconstitutional for any government official to force us to shelter in place, close our businesses, or wear a mask. People who easily acquiesce their liberty and freedom deserve the next level of tyranny to follow. I will not comply.
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 01:11AM
I for one support your 'freedom' to not comply and there is a chance that a good portion of the local full time residents of Big Bear will most likely fully support your choice of anarchy but will respectfully request that you do it elsewhere than this valley we love.
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 01:13AM
Play Russian Roulette with your and your families lives away from others that you will impact.
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 01:19AM
Sorry folks, I tried really hard to be quiet today.
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 01:21AM
Hey Doc, you stated It's unconstitutional for any government official to force us to shelter in place, close our businesses, or wear a mask. Ever hear of Marshal Law? This attitude is what is going to cause that to happen and make everyone's life even more of a hell. Enjoy your freedom much? best respect it before it bites in the butt.
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CoyotePass, Wed Apr 08 2020, 07:52AM
While I feel you Doc I've also lived up here long enough to know 2 things: we have people in this town who will call the sheriff at the drop of a hat, and the sheriff up here are less than polite to locals as it is which is my "restrained" opinion. So your choice is to wear the damn mask or get arrested. It completely rubs me the wrong way but it's just me and if I dont get home to feed the dog she'll starve.
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BootsNBridles, Wed Apr 08 2020, 08:25AM
I understand and agree with the basis. BUT if you are more concerned with 'freedom' then you are with life it won't matter in the long run, will it? Don't be stupid about exercising your choices. In other words don't cut off your nose to spite your face! We KNOW that staying home, and wearing a mask are two simple things that will keep more Americans alive. Personally I'd rather we ALL come through this alive, even you. So be smart. Remind people to be vigilant from the safety of your home. But if you try to come near my property and spread your germs....there's always the second amendment.
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MrOwl, Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:19AM
My self isolation quarantine diary:
Day 1: I can do this!! Got enough food and wine to last a month!
Day 2: Opening my 8th bottle of wine. I fear wine supplies might not last.
Day 3: Strawberries: Some have 210 seeds, some have 235 seeds. Who knew??
Day 4: 8:00 pm. Removed my day pajamas and put on my night pajamas.
Day 5: Today I tried to make hand sanitizer. It came out as jello shots!!
Day 6: I get to take the garbage out. I'm so excited, I can't decide what to wear.
Day 7: Laughing way too much at my own jokes!!
Day 8: Went to a new restaurant called "The Kitchen" You have to gather all the ingredients and make your own meal. I have NO clue how this place is still in business.
Day 9: I put liquor bottles in every room. Tonight I'm getting all dressed up and going bar hopping.
Day 10: Struck up a conversation with a spider today. Seems nice. He's a web designer.
Day 11: Isolation is hard. I swear my fridge just said, "What the hell do you want now?"
Day 12: I realized why dogs get so excited about something moving outside, going for walks or car rides. I think I just barked at a squirrel.
Day 13: If you keep a glass of wine in each hand, you can't accidentally touch your face.
Day 14: Watched the birds fight over a worm. The cardinals led the blue jays 3-1
Day 15: Anybody else feel like they've cooked dinner about 395 times this month?
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BBrow, Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:25AM
Joann, I when you goto the bank aren’t you putting people in harms way?
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BBrow, Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:26AM
Joann, I when you goto the bank aren’t you putting people in harms way?
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BBrow, Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:31AM
Joanna when you go out walking your dog, shouldn’t you have a face mask on?
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rdoctor, Wed Apr 08 2020, 10:42AM
There's no severe pandemic as described by the globalist World Health Organization. WHO is an arm of the United Nations which neither are proponents of free world capitalism. COVID-19 is no worse than the flu. Medical statistics confirm this each and every day. What's being witnessed is a political power grab of epic proportion. Our leaders are inept. People's lives are being ruined.
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Squatch, Wed Apr 08 2020, 10:57AM
I tried to point this out in the chatbox yesterday and all of the sheep bashed me! People are so fixated on the virus they don`t even see the power/control grab! And...they`re just getting started! I by far am more concerned about this than getting the virus! Sad, my grand kids will never know freedom as it was and should be, wake up people and start questioning what is going on!
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Squatch, Wed Apr 08 2020, 10:58AM
I tried to point this out in the chatbox yesterday and all of the sheep bashed me! People are so fixated on the virus they don`t even see the power/control grab! And...they`re just getting started! I by far am more concerned about this than getting the virus! Sad, my grand kids will never know freedom as it was and should be, wake up people and start questioning what is going on!
Sorry for the duplicate....didn`t look like it posted the 1st time....
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 11:37AM
So just what would you consider a severe pandemic?
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 11:37AM
Credentials with response would be helpful here if you want to really make a point
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CoyotePass, Wed Apr 08 2020, 12:29PM
If you're talking to me my name is not, has never been and never will be Joann.
Secondly, if my bank had ATM's like normal banks I would have deposited my cash at an ATM, but they choose to rip them all out when they bought the bank.
Thirdly I was wearing a mask, and amazingly enough the tellers were not so I guess it's a moot point as to who was putting whom in danager.
Fourthly, banking is considered an essential service, so I'm good.
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SDGrandma, Wed Apr 08 2020, 03:22PM
SQUATCH, rdoctor...
I admire your persistence in being in denial. There is a use for that attitude as you do not fear what you do not believe exists. With that strength of conviction, may I ask why you do not volunteer at one of the hospitals dth like at Riverside or San Bernardino? They are in desperate need of regular volunteers to do things like keeping parking lot clean and other items as moving furniture etc. You would be of great help while you can help since you would not believe in using any protective equipment and the ones that are using protective equipment will not catch the Flu, Hepatitis, or other preventable diseases you may be carriers of since they will be protected from you! I assume you do not believe in vaccines or any of kind since those are recommended also by the same people who are recommending you stay home. If you get sick you can refuse any of the trial medicines they have since they are probably not good for you since recommended by the same people who ask that you stay home. Hence I wish not, but you may be one of the casualties at which time you will stay where ever your wishes have instructed your love ones to put you. If you happen to survive a bout with Covid-19 I would hope that your convictions would not prevent you from donating your plasma for a sick veteran -who protected your freedom of speech- and is fighting this Pandemic that does not exist and is not affecting people. The Flu has vaccines and medicine if you get it...Many people still die from it for many reasons but it is somewhat controlled like many other illnesses. This virus FYI is the Flu epidemic of 1918 prior to vaccines and medicine to fight it...just has a different name to it.
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rdoctor, Wed Apr 08 2020, 03:48PM
"When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty."
Thomas Jefferson
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Squatch, Wed Apr 08 2020, 03:59PM
Grandma, 1st of all, I work form my home (we supply repair parts for medical equipment btw, and have been in business since 1999)I have been staying home except to drop del at Fedex or go to the mkt, never said I wasn`t taking precautions, your interpetation!
May I ask what you are doing to assist out there, since you brought it up?
Lastly, you have not addressed the OTHER ISSUES that have been pointed out, other than the virus? This is still the USA and like you I have the right to free speech and the sharing of ideas and points of view.
God bless America!
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Benny ⭐, Fri Apr 10 2020, 08:44AM
Well now, this theory ain't looking so silly after all. With California twice the population of New York and far less cases, it's sounding like this virus may have already made a run through our state, with many of us likely immune. It's still a little early to get too excited, but a good sign things could slowly return to normal, possibly sooner than later, as early as next month! (May) [Click Here]
So if you're like me and think you had it back in January or February, it's likely you did. Antibody testing should roll out in earnest over the next few weeks, which will allow us to confirm cases and may drastically lower the death rate.
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Apr 10 2020, 08:52AM
Been saying this for months...
This whole thing is a complete overreaction IMHO....
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Socalman, Fri Apr 10 2020, 09:23AM
I am beginning to concur on the idea that this virus made a good run at us earlier than we knew. Given the very large numbers or tourists and business people from China coming in to California, there is a very good chance this was even on us back in November.
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bearlythere, Fri Apr 10 2020, 10:45AM
Some truth to this, likely was around earlier than we thought and even I had an "odd" cold(?) earlier in December... never had one like that before with a small temperature, tired, light cough and NO sinus problems. Like none. Of course, could blame it on the flu vaccine a month before
Still, even with social distancing, the high body count is undeniable. If there was no social distancing in place and we kept the same protocols in place (as for flu), all across America we would have emptied out our assisted care facilities into mass burial graves. Harsh statement, but that is the reality.
Comparisons to the flu are tricky, the underlying models for determining R0 for flu and Covid-19 are surprisingly ill-formed given the questionable assumptions for onset of being contagious and when symptoms actually present, plus ongoing level of being contagious at a varying curve thoughout the infection not being accounted for. The curves are different for Flu vs. Covid-19, level of contagious should be treated as an integral under that curve.
When reading these research papers, you just end up shaking your head... billions of research dollars and this is what we have? Ugh... sad. Particularly, the silo'd mentality of the WHO and CDC regarding research. Almost a social clique. Actually, that is exactly what it is. Your a member, good. If not, then ignored. Case in point, research papers proved masks worked. Research papers proved aerosol dispersion for virus, research proved 6 foot distancing, research proved that sneezing projects droplets at 60mph and can cover much more than 6 feet, in a closed environment, virus particles can quickly saturate the surfaces and just by walking by them, blow them back up into the air, it goes on and on and on...
Though, after many hours of reading these papers, it is not straight forward and reduction into "newsy" sound bites for public consumption and action is... "nuanced"...
Even given "nuanced", still not that impressed with our scientists understanding what it means to APPLY science with relevancy...
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Airport Razz, Fri Apr 10 2020, 11:45AM
Who knows. Maybe the Big Bear Crud for so many years has gotten the valley 'ready' for this situation. I don't really know of any locals that hasn't had a case of it, if not multiple cases over the years. Maybe Big Bear could be the next Lourdes??
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CoyotePass, Fri Apr 10 2020, 12:20PM
They've been mapping the DNA of COVID 19. Each person it infects can mutate or alter it's DNA from what I understand so the lineage of the virus is more or less traceable. Some of the research suggests this virus started spreading back in September.
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Nature, Fri Apr 10 2020, 12:38PM
Of course it was active in September. Intelligence reported it spreading through Wuhan China in October. At a rate that everyone should be truly concerned.
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BBNona, Fri Apr 10 2020, 07:28PM
I made an appointment next week at Hollywood Urgent Care for antibody testing. Will let you know how it turns out. Heard about it on ABC7
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Benny ⭐, Fri Apr 10 2020, 08:49PM
Cool! I'd like to get it done but I'll wait another week until I get can get done a wee bit closer, somewhere locally.
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abitsquirrely, Sat Apr 11 2020, 06:44AM
OK, I've been lurking far too long. Went to DIY yesterday. A few non-mask wearers. Can't the store forbid them to come in?
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rdoctor, Sat Apr 11 2020, 07:06AM
Had it throughout June. Started out as bad indigestion episodes which were debilitating. Then dry cough, unbelievable fatigue, shortness of breath, headache, low grade fever 99 to 101 degrees for weeks, upper 80s blood oxygenation. Local doctors unable to diagnose after EKG, lung x-ray, full blood panel, urinalysis, and ultrasound.
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NShore.Allen, Sat Apr 11 2020, 09:15AM
How will SB County respond to LA County extending their "stay at home" order?
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CoyotePass, Sat Apr 11 2020, 12:45PM
Why does it matter, they're ignoring the order anyway. Another part time neighbor came up last night and he's a lawyer. Of the seven part time neighbors I've got only one hasn't been up since the order was issued. Four have been up repeatedly and one has apparently decided to ride it all out up here. Extend it, don't extend it, doesn't matter, no one pays attention to it.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 11 2020, 01:03PM
Tough to say, although there's was set to expire April 19th, whereas ours goes through the end of the Month. I could see this being extended through May 15th also, but I don't know how much longer after that people will tolerate it. At some point, it will be time to get back to it...
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Airport Razz, Sat Apr 11 2020, 01:12PM
Yep, I have one coming up tomorrow which will be his 2nd trip. And after stating for 1st trip, I WONT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE LOCALS, ILL PACK IN AND PACK OUT. Hmmm, woke up Monday morning with no heat so guess who he had to call. There is no way you can travel up here and NOT have an impact on the local infrastructure. Entitled, the rules don't apply to 'me' and when the hell did they get to be 'better' than us. Not a class race, it's a dumbass race. I did finally get one convinced to stay home with the 3month old baby with 'Its not about you and what you want. The wants of the one cannot supersede the needs of the many. I fear for society 
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BillyJean, Sat Apr 11 2020, 01:24PM
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MtMan, Sat Apr 11 2020, 03:35PM
We have a 2nd home owner next door and they are riding it out up here. They have been here way before the lockdown. Personally, I think that is just fine. I would have done the same thing had we lived down in the sh*thole. Some of you have brought up the ones that keep going up and down, that is not "staying in place" and unfortunately is not being enforced. I have heard some of our friends have been actually pulled over and asked if they had their masks. Really? How about enforcing the law of these rentals being still rented out? Yes, that has slowed down but it is still happening. OK, back to watching old movies with Elvis...
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 11 2020, 03:49PM
Hah, was that actually up here MtMan?
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat Apr 11 2020, 04:39PM
Boots meant to post this here...
BootsNBridles
Apr 11 : 04:20pm
Dreamweaver- exactly. And all docs involved in pandemics have said Herd Immunity means 60-65% of the population had it. If even 2% of those had died we would have heard about this bug on every channel. Chances are we had a bad flu season, as suspected.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 11 2020, 04:46PM
One might think that the way this is now spreading and the current mortality rate, unless many more had it unknowingly and the mortality rate is lower than previously thought. If 1/4 of the state actually did already have it, or some version of it, possibly a different strain, it would push the mortality rate down to like .2% instead of 2%. Many unknowns we should find out in the coming weeks and months.
I spoke to Rick Herrick who was confirmed to have it, and his symptoms matched similarly to the symptoms I had along with many other friends and colleagues, sooooo...... Who's to say.
We don't know what we don't know, only time will tell.
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MtMan, Sat Apr 11 2020, 06:16PM
Yes, pulled over up here.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 11 2020, 06:58PM
WOW.
There ain't nothing wrong with taking a drive around the lake, and you don't need a mask in your car to do that.
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rdoctor, Wed Apr 15 2020, 09:38AM
Went into DIY this morning with a bandana around my neck anticipating to pull it up as I was walking in. Right off the bat they told me if I didn't completely cover my face they're calling the police. That was very unnecessary and very disrespectful. I'd fire that person on the spot if I were the manager. I walked out and went to Butchers Block instead.
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MrOwl, Wed Apr 15 2020, 09:40AM
I would never shop there again.
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SSJ2012, Wed Apr 15 2020, 11:18AM
I’ve always shopped butchers block anyways. They always delivered large items and if they didn’t have it, they would order it for me.
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Cap'n Crunch, Thu Apr 16 2020, 08:52AM
The following is a quote taken from an article in the OC Register yesterday about a UC Irvine report on the pandemic:
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 09:03AM
Well my primary care physician in Lancaster is now offering the anti-body test, apparently they’re only testing essential personal at 1st till there’s enough tests. So cross my fingers I already got it back in late December
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Apr 16 2020, 12:02PM
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Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 16 2020, 12:30PM
Interestingly, there were less deaths by flu last month (March), than there were in any other March for the past 5 years. Though arguably most of the deaths have been this month (April), so it will be interesting to see how this month winds up in comparison. The other curveball, they're no longer reporting deaths by the flu, they're grouping all deaths in coronavirus, just sayin. Which will help fluff up their numbers after their astronomically high projections.
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:03PM
Well, the Big Bear curd wasn’t COVID-19 for me. Tested negative for antibodies or having the virus. Test is quick and easy. Isn’t FDA approved just yet, but doctor said I just need to be extra careful when working. But my doctor agreed with me that this is just gotten out hand. Ironically his patient schedule has drop 30% compared to last year and he might be forced to lay off nurses...
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MrOwl, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:08PM
Glad you are negative.
Yes, it's out of hand with 22 million fellow Americans laid off already. Hospitals here are laying off big time.
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:12PM
Doctor said out of the 100 tests the practice has done, only one came back has positive for antibodies and they suspected that patient having it a month ago but no test were available for mild cases
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RH_Runner, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:13PM
Interesting news. I have been following your thread. I too had something similar in January, but I never had a fever. I guess it is just a waste of time to take the antibody test. It must have just been a bad cold. Still, watching out now though. Thanks for the update.
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:22PM
Yeah, $100 for the antibodies test, in my eyes not worth it. Blue Cross won’t cover it till it gets FDA approval. But that cold I did get, was probably the worst cold I’ve ever gotten. But good news of today, my high blood pressure is starting to finally started to come down, probably cause I’m not eating out as much. 😂
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Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 16 2020, 04:26PM
Who's your doctor?
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Cornbread, Thu Apr 16 2020, 06:10PM
This is from the Washington Times
Johns Hopkins University of Medicine’s Coronavirus Resource Center, as of April 13 at 7:02 a.m., reported 557,590 confirmed cases of the new coronavirus in the United States and 22,109 deaths due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.
The current population of the United States, according to WorldOMeters.info, is just over 330 million.
Do the math. That means 0.17 percent of America’s population has been infected by the coronavirus. That means 0.007 percent of America’s population has died from the coronavirus — we think. As Johns Hopkins also notes: It all depends on the testing.
“With more testing, more people with milder cases are identified. This lowers the case-fatality ratio,” the site reported.That means the number of positive coronavirus cases will increase as testing increases — but very likely, the number of coronavirus fatalities will drop at the same time.
And by logical extension — that means the number of recovery cases will hike, as well.
For this, we tank an entire economy?“Mortality,” Johns Hopkins went on, speaking of coronavirus fatalities, “tends to be higher in older populations.”
Yes. And guess what else tends to be higher in older populations: death in general. Death due a variety of diseases, ailments, medical complications, health issues and ultimately, stoppages of hearts.
Older people die. That’s what they do.For this, we abandon the Constitution and civil rights?
The numbers on coronavirus are ridiculously low. The justification for shutting businesses, closing schools, mandating social distancing, shuttering churches and congregations — arresting pastors and park-goers and people who stand too close to others — the justification for all is to keep the coronavirus numbers low, to keep Americans safe and healthy and free of sickness and death. Specifically, 0.17 and 0.007 percentages of the population low.
But look, we could narrow in and focus on any health ailment, cover it ad nauseam in the media; throw up real-time figures on the TV screen to keep people on their panicked toes; roll out the health experts to give their best medical advisements on how to avert a sickness — with the pressure on for them to come up with new and better advisements as each day of non-stop reporting and media-fueled panic flows forth; and “justify,” yes, “justify” in quotation marks, national stay-at-home orders, and widespread closure of, well, everything.
We could do it, say, for the flu.The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that from Oct. 1, 2019, through April 4, 2020, there were between 39 million and 56 million of flu illnesses; between 18 million and 26 million medical visits due to flu; between 410,000 and 740,000 hospitalizations due to flu; and between 24,000 and 62,000 of deaths due to flu.
The CDC says it doesn’t know “the exact number of people who have been sick and affected by influenza because influenza is not a reportable disease in most areas of the U.S.” But if we go by coronavirus standards — so what? After all, the coronavirus models aren’t giving factual numbers. Neither, in some cases, are doctors and hospitals.
Shouldn’t we be throwing up real-time cases of flu deaths as they occur on television, alongside the ticking time counter of the numbers of those who’ve contracted the ailment, alongside a map in glaring red and orange and yellow colors showing locations of the spread — just so people can stay safe and protect themselves, dontcha know. After all, even lowballing gives some alarming percentages.
If 39 million Americans were sickened by the flu in the last few months, that’s nearly 12 percent of the population. If 18 million had to visit the doctor for the flu, that’s roughly 5.5 percent of the population. If 410,000 had to be hospitalized, that’s 0.12 percent. If 24,000 died from the flu during this time span, that’s 0.007 percent of all of America.
And that’s with a shot to prevent the flu. Now there’s a blaring story to report, in real, frightening death-count time, if ever there was one.So where’s the alarm? Where are the medical experts? Where, by God, are all the face masks to protect you and me and all the good comrades out there tripping over themselves to measure out the proper 6-foot social distancing boundary?
Oh, of course, on the coronavirus, the health people say it’s all about what can happen that’s the danger. It’s all about prevention.
The health wonks — and billionaire philanthropists who are focused on making vaccines for the world — say the precautions of these last few weeks have saved us, and the precautions to come will save us even more.
Sure. Except the math doesn’t really add up. The math, in other words, is fuzzy.
And living on a “what if” of unclear, panicking predictions isn’t exactly living. It’s surviving. It’s surviving in misery.
It’s high time for America to return to living — before there’s nothing worth living for in America any more.
• Cheryl Chumley can be reached at cchumley©washingtontimes.com or on Twitter, @ckchumley.
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CoyotePass, Thu Apr 16 2020, 06:38PM
"Older people die. That’s what they do." That's obscene. Those "older people" are our families our friends our leaders, for some of us, they ARE us. It's truly obscene to dismiss ANY human's death in that manner. I give NO credence to anyone who can utter those words with obvious callousness and coldness. I guess the writer knows and treasure no one over 70 huh?
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BillyJean, Thu Apr 16 2020, 07:45PM
I don't think that was necessarily the point. The point was, older people are more susceptible to complications from the flu, that was horrible wording.
Regardless of coronavirus or not, anyone can still get the flu and suffer complications at any age, pneumonia, etc., that's what happens every year and it is awful, but certain age groups are more prone. Average deaths from the flu in the US each year range from 30,000-60,000, so we're actually falling in line with a regular flu season.
Politicians are in so deep now, it would be unlikely for anyone to admit it was a poorly guided mistake by so-called experts and do an about-face. We have 2 million people in our County and 1000 confirmed cases. When the flu makes a good run, mostly likely 1/3rd to 1/2 of the population will get it. An example was whatever crud went around in Jan-Feb, seemingly everyone had it, some worse than others. That is all very normal, don't let media and politicians alarm you into thinking this is something it's really not.
Our governer claimed 20 million would come down with COVID-19, so far we're at 27,000, these proclaimed "experts" were way off. Could that be attributed to the stay at home order? Absolutely! It brought it to a grinding halt, which it would do any flu season. Was it necessary? We will never really know...
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Squatch, Thu Apr 16 2020, 08:27PM
Cornbread and Billy Jean, those of us who try and point out the discrepancies in the numbers and the abuse of power have been branded as paranoid, heartless and what ever they want to call us.
We are simply trying to "open people`s eyes" to what`s really going on out there, we`re not insensitive, just trying to be realistic to the facts of life, as Billy Jean tried to point out.
If we don`t stand up for the truth and our constitutional rights we will all become willing participants in the downfall of our country. For many of us, that`s not an viable option!
I wish no one any harm but the government overreach IMO is not acceptable!
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Nature, Thu Apr 16 2020, 09:11PM
Old people die... yup. About 30% or a little more with the virus. The other 65/70% are younger.
They should be willing to die too because they don’t matter either? I don’t wish ill will on anyone. I work for a living.
Would be great to get back to normal but put someone in front of me, someone’s family member, and give me the choice of they die do you can make a buck. I wouldn’t choose to kill them.
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CoyotePass, Thu Apr 16 2020, 09:40PM
Just an unfortunate choice of words eh? Sorry, I don't buy that. Having reached my magical age I've seen the disrespect, callousness and downright cruelty that anyone over a certain age is subjected too in this country. Having been poor I have seen it too. No, it was NOT an unfortunate choice of words, it is the underbelly of what many of a certain rank believe; the poor, sick and old are expendable. They don't count. Been there and seen it with my own eyes. Now, maybe that is what YOU believe, but you are being just as manipulated as you claim we have been. You're being manipulated by people of wealth afraid of loosing their wealth. You're being riled up to believe that your rights are being trampled on by people with no morals. I don't expect you to believe it, but it is what I know from where I stand.
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 10:07PM
To answer Benny, I go to Dr Allen in Lancaster, he’s been the best doctor I ever had especially after major back injury I suffered in 2005
But my thoughts on the stay at home order, it is important, one thing everyone isn’t including is the number of days a person stays in hospital who has COVID-19. With the flu, there are treatment options. COVID-19 doesn’t have any that proven to work. My friend in Indiana who tested positive is on week 3 of being sick at home. My point in all of this is how we allowed this pandemic to get to the point it is today, we’ve suddenly woke up realized that we were never prepared for pandemic. Yes, sorry to burst the bubble of some, but we cannot allow our rights to striped away, but people must also respect the wishes of their doctors. But we also must be mindful, people have rent, bills to pay, and unless you’re personally willing to open your wallet, something has give. There has to be some middle ground that we get through this without overwhelming our hospitals and without sending us into a Great Depression.
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Squatch, Thu Apr 16 2020, 10:17PM
Well said SSJ201!
Coyote you make a lot of assumptions without knowing me..hmm kinda makes you a hypocrite!
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CoyotePass, Fri Apr 17 2020, 04:04PM
You're entitled to your assumptions SQUATCH.
Nice to see Oz and Phil trotted out for their irrelevant sound bites. The funny part is that they probably had their "apologies" planned out before they even opened their mouths.
I'd love to go back to work. I love my job. I got $86 in the bank and that's it. But I also have a host of relatives and friends who are considered medically vulnerable who I love dearly. I will not sacrifice their lives for a buck.
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Benny ⭐, Fri Apr 17 2020, 09:07PM
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Apr 17 2020, 10:41PM
And this years partnered contract states Fireworks may be rescheduled between July 4-Oct 31. Halloweenworks! Kinda cool & unforgettable.
Under 'City Council Approves Partnership With Visit Big Bear for Fireworks' [Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 18 2020, 12:30AM
I saw that too!
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rdoctor, Sat Apr 18 2020, 06:50AM
Don't fear COVID-19. Fear your government.
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RH_Runner, Sat Apr 18 2020, 07:32AM
Exactly right!
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Airport Razz, Sat Apr 18 2020, 12:57PM
SCENE - Dirty Harry (labeled CoVid-19) , Magnum 44 pointing at suspect on the ground. Suspect on the ground peeing his pants looking at business end of Magnum (labeled SIP Protesters)................
You've got to ask yourself a question. 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do you, PUNK?"
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat Apr 18 2020, 04:32PM
Nature
Apr 18 : 04:18pm
If you don’t like what is being done, of sheer curiosity, if you had the responsibility of local, state and federal lawmakers, what would you have done about the virus on it’s way, arriving and spreading like wildfire through the country? Not what you wouldn’t do but what you would do with that responsibility?
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ArchJohn, Sat Apr 18 2020, 05:34PM
Riverside County health officials Saturday reported Cases have plummeted precipitously.
"The majority of the population is doing what we asked," Dr. Cameron Kaiser said Friday. "People are taking appropriate precautions and following the orders that were issued
The doctor acknowledged that the county could soon fall into the phase one "gating criteria" announced Thursday by President Donald Trump under the administration's "Opening Up America Again" plan.
"Cases have plummeted precipitously," Kaiser said. "But it's too soon to lift our foot from the gas pedal. We're getting close. As the situation changes ... we will be looking at recommendations for many things. But we don't have enough understanding of our case load to put us past the (emergency) order."
Two weeks ago, the county was indicating that statistical modeling showed the possibility of 65,000 infections and 1,000 deaths by the first week of May. Those predictions were altered Wednesday, with both the infection count and death rate predicted to be one-fifth of the original estimates.
The doctor acknowledged that the county could soon fall into the phase one "gating criteria" announced Thursday by President Donald Trump under the administration's "Opening Up America Again" plan. The criteria calls for permitting groups of 10 or less to socialize with appropriate precautionary steps and providing guidelines for employers to bring workers back on the job in phases, with safeguards in place.
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HazMatMind, Sat Apr 18 2020, 05:45PM
Warning for delicate ears: F-bombs included
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Apr 18 2020, 06:48PM
Now 6 Confirmed Cases in Big Bear Valley
City Planning For Incremental Adjustments to Restrictions
Big Bear Connected Asks You to Make "Joyful Noise"
County Collects Specimens from 231 Individuals in Big Bear Lake
City Council Approves Penalty and Interest Waiver for TOT and TBID Payments Due April 30
takes 3 to 5 days for test Results
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sun Apr 19 2020, 03:39PM
Nature
Apr 19 : 03:08pm
“Get out of quarantine, freedom ride and peaceful protest parade around big Bear this Sunday. In celebration of our beloved individual liberty and a peaceful protest of the governors unconstitutional lockdown. Have a bike, hot rod, classic car, jeep, lifted truck, 4 x 4, luxury car or an old beater? If it rolls it’s welcome! Everyone is welcome to join in. Come and join us get out of the house and let’s
That’s all you can read on there.
I don’t doubt several people wanted to go for a ride around the lake just to go for a ride but the purpose was a protest.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sun Apr 19 2020, 03:50PM
Polar 🌌rbit
Apr 19 : 03:42pm
A nice peaceful protest is good. Especially when the nice peaceful opposition doesn't show up and start a fight.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sun Apr 19 2020, 03:51PM
Benny ⭐
Apr 19 : 03:43pm
Nope, nothing wrong with getting out to get some air. We've been couped up for exactly 1 month now. With warmer weather, hopefully people take advantage of it to get out and enjoy!
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Nature, Sun Apr 19 2020, 04:33PM
I’ll try again.
I love to ride. I’ve put over 185,000 miles on a bike.
Here’s the deal.
Look it up...
1918 pandemic started a second time because people got fed up staying home with warmer summer weather.
The pandemic exploded again in September and went on for two years. We could see that happen again do to the sense of entitlement regardless of cost.
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Nature, Sun Apr 19 2020, 04:35PM
Due not do
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Polar 🌌rbit, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:12PM
In FORUMS, you can go back and edit your posts if you have bad fingers like mine. You don't have to post an update. See my 4:59 post in Chatbox if you don't believe the stupid fingers.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:31PM
The virus did not flare back up because people went out in the warmer summer months. It dies off in the summer with warmer temperatures. It flared up again next flu season due to the colder weather returning, driving people going back indoors. Just like the regular flu ramps up and down every year, the concept is nothing new.
More specifically and statistically historians now believe that the fatal severity of the Spanish flu’s “second wave” was caused by a mutated virus spread by wartime troop movements.
Yes, this will likely be back next season, but not based on what people do during the summer. Sure, viruses can still spread in the summer, but heat kills it, so it's much less likely. We will be much better prepared to handle it next flu season with testing, ppe equipment, etc. and hopefully a vaccine!
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Nature, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:53PM
Read
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Benny ⭐, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:54PM
I just did "Historians now believe that the fatal severity of the Spanish flu’s “second wave” was caused by a mutated virus spread by wartime troop movements."
And
"Harris believes that the rapid spread of Spanish flu in the fall of 1918 was at least partially to blame on public health officials unwilling to impose quarantines during wartime. In Britain, for example, a government official named Arthur Newsholme knew full well that a strict civilian lockdown was the best way to fight the spread of the highly contagious disease. But he wouldn’t risk crippling the war effort by keeping munitions factory workers and other civilians home."
All of which we are doing, so yes, we'll have to take a look at this again in the fall (flu season). No major spread during the summer, as is typical, statistically and scientifically.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:57PM
Thank you Benny for the objective update on the current status, and for putting the historical facts out there for people to acknowledge or challenge with honest data.
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Nature, Sun Apr 19 2020, 06:00PM
Snopes.com
[Click Here]
There are a lot of theories that change over time when things are put under a microscope
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Benny ⭐, Mon Apr 20 2020, 01:54PM
A study conducted by Dr. Fer and other Scientists & Doctors from USC have come up with some fascinating insight in light of their antibody testing.
Based on their research, it's now likely over 200,000-400,000 people in Los Angeles County have already experienced some form of the coronavirus, lowering the mortality rate down to about 0.2%, depending on exact case numbers. Numbers more typically experienced with the common flu. That's 28-55 times higher than what is currently being reported.
Of course, as they learn more, we'll know more, but barring them testing the entire US population, we may never really know the true reach of this flu. Interesting information none the less!
The Dr just spoke about it during his press conference on TV. - Linky [Click Here]
I'm sure there's much more to come on this!
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Mtngoat John⭐, Mon Apr 20 2020, 05:10PM
Airport Razz
Apr 20 : 05:04pm
City/county needs to do something NOW or this valley is going to be over run with 2nd home owners next weekend. Just got message from #5 owner that they fully intend to come up next weekend with big groups. WTH people????
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Airport Razz, Mon Apr 20 2020, 05:51PM
Sorry about that, thought is was sort of news worthy. OK, that being said, here is the continuation of the blurb.
And I apologize to anyone that might be offended by this post. But right now, I am offended by the number of people that believe my rights don't mean anything.
Well, get ready locals. I am predicting basic anarchy to hit the valley starting next Friday. I am basing that on a number of down the hill clients that today seem to have lost all their facilities of coherent thought and the knowledge of what is right to do. I guess Newsome must of have announced last night that the pandemic was just a bad dream???? No one is taking shelter in place seriously and these people are going to be putting YOU the LOCALs in peril. And in return, these people will be putting other down the hill people into further peril once they return after the weekend. Must be nice to be so entitled that your crap doesn't stink any longer. They are coming and in mass. I even got fired by one of the 2nd owners, after 6 years of service and taking care of them, the family, their friends and their property. How's that for 'I Don't Give A Crap About You Piddly Little Locals"? Not sure how we can prepare, other than just locking our doors and hope they don't rape what is left in this town. We sure wont get any support from the city or county, that has been stated ever so plainly. So sad. Once again, the few screw it up for the many. JERKS! And once again, the rules don't apply to the rich, the powerful, the entitled of the world. How's it feel being reminded that locals in the valley are 2nd class citizens and our needs don't mean squat to anyone but ourselves. So while I am sure this will incite those few that think they matter more than the many, feel free to go ahead and rip me apart. At least I am doing what I can to keep my family, friends and crew safe and alive and also GOD FORBID am abiding by the current laws that our elected officials have made. Not sure when that little ditty fell out of fashion. While I didn't elect any of these yahoo cowboys in office, I fail to see an alternative at this time. I see no one coming up with any better solutions other than 'we are going to do just what we damn well want to do, damn the torpedoes' and everyone for their selves. Everyone one of the rule breakers will just be adding time to the duration that we ALL have to endure. Really, why did we do the last 38 days for, just to throw it away and spread the crud further? Time to take that kid in 2nd grade who kept everyone from going to recess out behind the baseball backstop and teach him just how the world REALLY works. Probably to late but folks, we need to take control over OUR rights, as no one is going to give them to us and the entitled want to stomp them into the gutter. Last time I checked, we were all equal in this society. Boy, is that ever a farce. As I said go ahead and rip me apart. See you in the Funny Papers.
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MtMan, Mon Apr 20 2020, 06:32PM
Agree with you. The stores are bad enough as it is. These people, up here, say " we're be all in this together" nonsense. We have limited resources up here, the flatlanders have many resources down there. The Eastern Sierra's are basically shut down because they realize the obvious. Opening fishing be season has been delayed until June 1, why can't be we shut our valley from flatlanders until then also? I am tired of not having things in stock because of flatlanders coming up here and treating this time like a damn vacation. Stop it now, call the city and county and let them know how you feel.
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Airport Razz, Mon Apr 20 2020, 06:38PM
Thanks, thought I was getting my dander all up and out for nothing and the only one that can see that elephant in the room that keeps eating the apples/oranges of the discussion. It is like driving 100mph on the freeway and then trying to tell the judge that those speed laws weren't intended for you, only the idiot doing the speed limit that you just blasted the doors off and they ended up in the center divider. That's not justice. Just isn't right to act like royalty when the crown on your head is imaginary.
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Benny ⭐, Mon Apr 20 2020, 06:51PM
Golf and tennis reopening in Riverside county... [Click Here]
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Airport Razz, Mon Apr 20 2020, 07:40PM
Well, so glad to hear that the destruction of the american economy and the american way of life plus hunkering for 30 days plus was worth it so some while balls can be knocked around. Has the entire world lost its frikkin mind. Time to S&$%Can the politicians.
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Benny ⭐, Mon Apr 20 2020, 07:58PM
With temperatures in the hundreds starting this weekend, let em bake!
But in all seriousness, with the high temps this "should" die down through the summer. The time to plan ahead again will be late summer, early fall. Hopefully by then we will have treatment, even an outside chance the vaccine will be ready.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 21 2020, 08:55AM
Rant Tuesdays
I would like to see the valley shut off and also isolated,
You feel like we live on an island up here. But with a 20% increase from last weekend of confirmed cases in the valley 5-6. Our once a month travel to the market, the parking lot was packed, go inside it’s packed like a cruse ship must be in port with all the unknown-faces. I feel sorry for the checker she says it all started on Friday the faces coming through. The owners of the rental home next door were at the store 2 baskets full of items pasta. Soups supplies they say that they were going to be coming up on the weekends and are stocking up the house “cant rent it going to use it” WTF. I get the fact that some of you feel that paying property taxes gives you special rights. But it is a god dam business investment your not members of this community.
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mountainart, Tue Apr 21 2020, 09:34AM
Just curious, but would you deny people who have owned family homes up here for generations the ability to use it? And if not, would you feel ok in forcing some ( retired, fixed income)who need to rent out their homes to put food on their tables to lose them because you changed the rules of acceptable use after the fact,l?
You do realize, that the more testing of the general population numbers are coming in, it looks like over half of the population has already had it with less symptoms than the common cold, which puts the mortaity rate now to levels lower than the annual common flu.
Are you going to be consistent, and now apply the social distancing rules you are trying to keep to every year forthcoming, so the annual hundreds of thousands of people who die from the common flu won't anymore.
It's a difficult conundrum, but having been down the hill during this time for needed supplies, I can tell you it's way worse down there, where it seems most people don't care, and just crowd right up to you.. Of course, with the daily testing numbers showing the trend that it looks like the majority of the population already got it unnoticed, perhaps fear is the actual enemy. How many millions of people/families are you willing to financially destroy, in order to prevent annual flu events...... the recent fall of oil into negative territory is a canary in the coal mine, and I see the future global economic toll( supply chain breakdown, bk, food industry industry collapse, with accompanying 3rd world famine and health issues, killing orders of magnitude more people than this 19. All because fear of the unknown and political fearmongering caused a complete shutdown. Look an Dakota. they had zero shutdown orders, instead working with isolating the at risk seniors and immunocompromised, and it has been a success..
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Squatch, Tue Apr 21 2020, 10:28AM
Well said mountainart!
Oil looks to be the first major domino of many to fall, could very well lead to a catastrophic collapse of the U.S./global economies.
Yes, oil will probably rebound, not so much for other segments!
People, lets`s just wear our protection and get back to living/working!
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 21 2020, 11:38AM
I don’t want friends sick and dying
Its lives the plan is stay in place-not go to my cabin for the weekend
use the following recommendations:
diligently honor the Governor's order to "shelter in place",
limit your interactions with others to the maximum extent practical,
plan your essential trips out accordingly, and limit the number of trips to the grocery store, drug store, etc.,
keep at least 6 feet of distance between you and others you come into contact with,
wash your hands ALL THE TIME,
if you need to get outside, take a walk, go for a run, take a bike ride, or go on a hike by yourself or with your family - but stay far way from others!
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 21 2020, 11:39AM
Angelus Oaks: 1
Big Bear City: 2
Big Bear Lake: 4
Crestline: 5
Rimforest: 1
Running Springs: 2
Mountain communitys: 15
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ArchJohn, Tue Apr 21 2020, 11:59AM
Sky, is this including the results from last week's testing?
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Codger, Tue Apr 21 2020, 12:17PM
With some high placed individuals (their apologies ready at hand) saying we should open everything up now because “Old people are going to die soon anyway”, I had a thought. Just like canaries in a coal mine, they could use us old, decrepit folk to figure out if it is safe to de-hunker. Gather a flock of old ’uns and send us out, sans mask. If most die, lock down a little while longer. After a week or so, send out another group. If only half die, we know it’s getting better but we still need to stay in. Keep this up until most survive. (Two or three are gonna die anyway just ‘cause we’re old.) Then we’ll know it’s safe to fling the doors open and begin frolicking outside again. Call us the Covid Canaries.
(I give this two posts before some idjit makes this political)
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cricket, Tue Apr 21 2020, 03:02PM
They have not released statistics for last weeks mountain tests.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 21 2020, 03:47PM
No the test take 3 to five days city said they hope to get them today. 231 people took the test seems results from the test run 9% positive hope that's not the case.
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cricket, Tue Apr 21 2020, 06:44PM
City Manager report just came. No results.it is 6:44 pm on Tuesday.
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Benny ⭐, Wed Apr 22 2020, 08:33PM
The results are in! Out of the 229 tests they took last Friday there was only 1 positive for Covid!
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:01AM
I thought that 231 samples were taken
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:01AM
Dr Anthony Fauci has warned that if the US moves too quickly to end stay-at-home orders there could be another surge in Covid-19 cases.
Trump and Fauci: America's future hangs on this delicate relationship
Read more
Speaking to ABC News, the director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a key member of the White House coronavirus taskforce
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BillyJean, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:06AM
There were, but reporting 229 gives something for people to do. Now we can all sit around and speculate what happened to the missing two? Did they sneak away for lunch? Did a ufo beam them to their mothership? Are they out fishing on Big Bear Lake, maybe golfing??? No one knows!
(Insert conspiracy theory here)
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:08AM
How did Herrick contract SARS Cov 2
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:19AM
I would like better Accounting
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Airport Razz, Thu Apr 23 2020, 10:59AM
I was told to put it in a thread...…..At least the weather is going to be nice
. I guess that was too controversial? Actually I am sure it was the observation that there is a good chance that rebel ridge and the go-karts would be open this weekend and I asked why it is that I feel as if we have not only lost the battle but the war. I was admonished for having a simple opinion after dialing my 'rants' way way down. Didn't realize that doing the right thing was so controversial these days, not how I was raised.
Once again, thank you SoCalAdmin for putting up with my misdirected questions. No foul intended. I will further pursue other avenues for possible answers as it seems I am no longer able to say anything to anybody without someone getting upset.
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MrOwl, Thu Apr 23 2020, 12:19PM
It's like that everywhere, being a touchy subject on both sides. Opinions are like a-holes...we all have one.
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Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 23 2020, 12:56PM
He was campaigning at the time, out meeting a lot of people and shaking hands, likely came from someone that way. This was over a month ago, he's been in quarantine and since recovered.
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BillyJean, Thu Apr 23 2020, 01:15PM
Accounting? I would call a CPA if you need assistance with your taxes! Which by the way, have been extended through July 15th!
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Apr 23 2020, 01:24PM
I just chaulk'd it up to miscounted, lost or test error, which is 0.8733624454148471% unknown.
Don't sweat the mules, just load the wagon.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Apr 24 2020, 06:13AM
Friday 4.24.20 6;00
Angelus Oaks 1
Big Bear Lake 5
Big Bear City 2
Blue Jay 3
Crestline 5
Rim Forest 1
Running Springs 2
Mountain Community 20
Its still a plus +5 from Tuesday.
Big Bear High Sorry
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Mtngoat John⭐, Fri Apr 24 2020, 07:03AM
Now I see why you need an accountant.
Your numbers don't add up to 22 and you failed to include Blue Jay in the numbers you posted Tuesday.
It was 18 on Tuesday and 19 on Friday, not a 7 person increase as you seem to suggest.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Apr 24 2020, 07:58AM
Sorry Big Bear High
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Apr 24 2020, 08:06AM
Here is some numbers 150 Available 32.9 % of ICU beds a 40.2 % from the previous day get your reservations now.
IM not impressed with there tracking John.
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Jellylorum, Fri Apr 24 2020, 11:35AM
Per the County's Covid-19 dashboard:
Total count so far = 78 residents of Big Bear Valley tested, 7 were positive.
To me, that means many that were tested at the recent drive-thru event were from other (mountain?) areas.
Countywide, the percentage of positives compared to the number of tests run is about 10 per cent. Big Bear's stats are about the same as those for the county as a whole. It appears we may not be as isolated as some may believe.
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Benny ⭐, Fri Apr 24 2020, 12:24PM
I personally know of many, many other residents who went off the hill for testing. Of those 7 that are positive, none were from the local testing last week, those numbers aside from 1 haven't changed. Still... 10% seems to be the general #.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Apr 24 2020, 02:58PM
It's not that simple.
So far, there is no proven "immunity passport" after a positive serological (antibody) test.
What of those cases that have recovered and become reinfected with the virus? Possibly also be asymptomatic their second time around & contagious once again.
[Click Here] VICE article
[Click Here] CNBC - WHO warning: No evidence that antibody tests can show coronavirus immunity
[Click Here] NY Post - City health officials warn coronavirus antibody tests may not prove immunity
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Apr 25 2020, 05:26AM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 17
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 20
Barstow 10
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 20
Blue Jay 3
Chino 60
Chino Hills 53
Colton 57
Crestline 5
Fontana 197
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 48
Highland 58
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 31
Mentone 9
Montclair 22
Morongo Valley 4
Oak Hills 8
Ontario 110
Piñon Hills 2
Phelan 6
Rancho Cucamonga 99
Redlands 88
Rialto 72
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 177
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 67
Victorville 78
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 171
Yucca Valley 10
Undetermined 115
Grand Total 1,666
Female 28Male 51
03/2403/2804/0104/0504/0904/ 1304/1704/21020406080100Number of Deaths
Latino 27Non-Latino 41Unknown 12
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0-1420-2940-4960-69Unknown0204060
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Apr 25 2020, 08:49AM
95 about normal but whats the normal summer Humidity? Ben
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Apr 25 2020, 10:46AM
COUNTY ORDERS NOW ALLOW BOATING ACTIVITIES, GOLF COURSE OPERATIONS ....today April 25
"Notably, the County specifically recognized the value of recreational activity for our residents, and has clarified that boating activities and golf course activities are now permitted."
Is it really for residents only? I didn't know they could do that. Go now SQUATCH!
[Click Here] Update #41
COVID-19 Emergency page (Scroll down halfway to pic of boat)
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Apr 25 2020, 11:10AM
Brain Fart
San Bernardino County residents
Well earlier than the previous May 1 opening
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Jellylorum, Sat Apr 25 2020, 12:36PM
County-owned recreation facility grounds are open. Restrooms, playgrounds, buildings are NOT open.
Facilities owned by cities, parks districts, USFS, BLM, etc. may be open as well, at the discretion of their operators/managers. Those facilites will not be allowed to open restrooms, BBQ areas, playgrounds, or restaurants.
My understanding is the lake shore of BBL is open, but the launch areas for boats may not yet be open.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Apr 25 2020, 12:48PM
"Now that the snow has melted, and in an effort to make it convenient for our residents to enjoy City parks and facilities, these parking facilities are now open again. Please enjoy these facilities by yourself or with your family group only, and avoid interacting with others. Public restrooms are now OPEN again."
Please read entire update.
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Jellylorum, Sat Apr 25 2020, 01:12PM
So, everybody who cannot find a bathroom open at USFS, MWD, or County facilities can all go use the ones at Veteran's Park, Boulder Bay Park, Rotary Park, Bartlett and Knickerbocker. At least some are open.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Apr 25 2020, 01:49PM
Good points jelly, but I read the 'County' message as that it included 'City parks and facilities'. Why so cryptic? Where is this info of county areas, etc are not included? Thx & sry for misunderstanding.
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Jellylorum, Sat Apr 25 2020, 02:10PM
I guess it's what you see, where you live. I work and walk on the north shore. Nothing is open over here except Cluster Pines.
There are people parked everywhere, and walking and bicycling.
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Jellylorum, Sat Apr 25 2020, 04:50PM
Here is info on what is and isn't open, per County order.
This explains why County parks restrooms are not open.
Restrooms are CLOSED, per the answer to question "What facilities are open? What activities are NOT allowed."
[Click Here]
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MrOwl, Sat Apr 25 2020, 05:58PM
This says it all
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NShore.Allen, Sun Apr 26 2020, 08:53AM
Have you heard what Hawaii is doing? 14 day mandatory quarantine for all visitors with the threat of arrest. They extended the order thru May 31 (and are hinting the whole summer if they see results).
It's easier to isolate Hawaii, just control air and sea traffic.
You can see why they are worried: Currently hey have had 604 cases, 68 requiring hospitalization, 14 deaths and 432 recovery (people infected in hawaii and released from isolation). They have a population of about 1.42 Million. However, Hawaii get over 9M visitors every year.
Most cases were blamed on people returning from Vegas and spreading the virus.
It must be nice on Hawaii these days. Here's a webcam from the Grand Wailea Maui yesterday around 2pm
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Tlingit, Sun Apr 26 2020, 11:34AM
As I posted on the political discussion forum. Very promising results when proactively prescribed is Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, Zinc, and high dose vitamin C. I see patients go home to their loved ones daily because of this cocktail. Not pushing this, it's a decision that must be made between you and your physician. But know, this is the best option I've seen. Drs both internationally and around the US are prescribing this
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KK, Sun Apr 26 2020, 03:00PM
Thank You needed a laugh! A lot of people would have to google who most of them are. Yes it does say a lot! 🤣
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Benny ⭐, Sun Apr 26 2020, 04:56PM
Thanks for the info, if we had decent treatment, that would be a tremendous lifesaver, literally!
When I had the "flu" or whatever it was back in February, doc had me go through 2 Z-Packs (Zithromax) with vitamins, that did the trick, still took almost a month to get over though! Now if we could fast-track a vaccine we'll be getting somewhere!
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Tlingit, Sun Apr 26 2020, 05:14PM
Many experts agree death numbers are low in such a populous state as CA, because the virus was here as early as Nov.,as I'm sure you've heard. Until a vaccine is approved ( many don't do vaccinations) this cocktail is something you want to discuss with your MD. Ask for it, if infected. My wife was sick in January. All the signs of covid. A good # of us may have already been exposed. Stay safe everyone.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Apr 26 2020, 05:23PM
Agreed! I'm not big on the flu shot, I became terribly ill after getting the flu shot once, almost died, so I skip that. Will have to consider this when it's time...
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Apr 26 2020, 08:20PM
Adelanto 20
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 20
Barstow 10
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 20
Blue Jay 3
Chino 51
Chino Hills 55
Colton 58
Crestline 5
Fontana 203
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 48
Highland 57
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 35
Mentone 9
Montclair 23
Morongo Valley 4
Oak Hills 8
Ontario 115
Piñon Hills 2
Phelan 6
Rancho Cucamonga 99
Redlands 93
Rialto 77
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 185
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 90
Victorville 79
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 171
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 144
Grand Total 1,751
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MrOwl, Mon Apr 27 2020, 11:19AM
Another perspective
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MtMan, Mon Apr 27 2020, 07:49PM
Censored by YouTube. They are looking out for us.
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MrOwl, Mon Apr 27 2020, 08:12PM
WTH, bet they deleted later when Fox mentioned it.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:09AM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 20
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 20
Barstow 10
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 6
Bloomington 21
Blue Jay 3
Chino 51
Chino Hills 55
Colton 59
Crestline 5
Fontana 210
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 48
Highland 59
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 37
Mentone 9
Montclair 24
Morongo Valley 4
Oak Hills 9
Ontario 122
Piñon Hills 2
Phelan 6
Rancho Cucamonga 102
Redlands 95
Rialto 77
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 193
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 91
Victorville 81
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 172
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 126
Grand Total
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NShore.Allen, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:39AM
Airbnb changing their rental policies.
[Click Here]
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MrOwl, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:45AM
It's back up until it gets pulled again
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mountainart, Tue Apr 28 2020, 07:13AM
Fear of litigation, I believe, is what prompted 90% of the overreaction to this pandemic. Especially as it is becoming evident, with the newest testing figures that 70 percent of people who had it never even knew, and were not counted in original morbidity rates. Now looking like death rate pretty much identical to common flu, which also mostly kills people with prior issues like morbid obesity, diabetes, and lung issues. And the poverty and resulting global disruptions, food chain interruptions, loss of regular childhood vaccinations, etc will end up killing 10 times as many in the coming years.
With the fearmongering media trying to pump every outlier case on mainstream news as "normal", no wonder the public is scared senseless. Just imagine if the media did that for the leading causes of death in this country that take 1000 times more lives annually......but no, that doesn't fit in with the current bandwagon agenda.
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Airport Razz, Tue Apr 28 2020, 08:47AM
MtnArt, interesting that you bring up the litigation issues. I found it interesting that in the city meeting last night the council is putting into their budget extra $$ for lawsuits that are going to be coming from restriction of trade once the reopening sequence begins and most of those lawsuits are going to be coming from private rental homeowners for restricting them from renting their while allowing the 'professional' companies to start renting before the private owners. They already went through that pile of crap when the permit process was put into place and the owners got pissed because the 'pros' were getting preferential treatment. And the AdHoc committee for putting the plans together seems to be leaning really heavy on the business side with NO representation from the private sector. Virus might as well take us now, government will bury what is left at this rate.
Side note, first time I have ever been on the same side at AirBnb and their regulations. Have been speaking out against the back to back rentals for years. always have felt that the toilet seat should at least have a chance to cool down before the next group arrives. Have a fun week out there troops, Doing my best to keep my tongue in check.
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BillyJean, Tue Apr 28 2020, 05:45PM
In case it gets pulled again from youtube, here it is on another site. For some reason youtube is pulling anything that explains the coronavirus. If you have the time, it's worth watching.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:08PM
Dang! Google Crawlers are scrambling the truth in posts now!!!!
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Benny ⭐, Tue Apr 28 2020, 10:30PM
What the heck is that??
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SSJ2012, Wed Apr 29 2020, 09:34AM
Robot fell asleep on the keyboard?
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Benny ⭐, Wed Apr 29 2020, 10:36PM
Governor Newsom is scheduled to order the closure of all California beaches tomorrow, effective this Friday, May 1st. [Click Here]
Rather than opening them all up so people can get outdoors and spread out, let's shut em down. Pushing the problem somewhere else... And guess where they're all going to go to escape the heat? You thought last weekend was bad in the mountains?
Buckle your seatbelts folks, we're about to go on one helluva ride!
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NShore.Allen, Wed Apr 29 2020, 10:46PM
I’m surprised the lack of comment from county supervisors, assembly members senators or the courts. I’ve reached out to my various representatives and get crickets..
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MtMan, Wed Apr 29 2020, 10:49PM
That's just great. Can't wait to see the piles of excrement around the lake along with the trash. Extremely frustrating. Hey, where are the people now that have said, We need their money for our local economy. Yes, right.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 30 2020, 06:30AM
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
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MrOwl, Thu Apr 30 2020, 06:32AM
The beaches will probably be even busier. People are fed up with this crap.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 30 2020, 06:32AM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 25
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 22
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 24
Blue Jay 3
Chino 54
Chino Hills 56
Colton 63
Crestline 5
Fontana 227
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 51
Highland 63
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 11
Montclair 28
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 11
Ontario 137
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 8
Rancho Cucamonga 111
Redlands 94
Rialto 83
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 225
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 89
Victorville 86
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 175
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 162
Grand Total 1,928
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mountainart, Thu Apr 30 2020, 09:11AM
Sweden had no lockdowns and they had no overwhelming of the hospitals. Going with herd immunity is the way to go, and isolating yourself if you are with medical conditions should be theway to go, rather than destroying the economy and creating more health problems via the poverty and stressors.
Now that widespread testing results are comimg in showing a huge percentage of the general population has already had it and never showed symptoms, or only mild symptoms which were at the time attributed to normal flu, the actual death rate has skewed to less than bad flu season, which also targets the underlying medical condition populations.
Local hospitals are ghost towns, people with other medical problems are deigning to visit hospitals for needed treatments. Listened to an interview with several doctors from city of hope who have been working with results that show an upsurge in deaths over the next several years from other problems brought on by the shutdown unintended consequences which they say will be far larger than the current death rates, which are affecting mostly people with serious underlying medical issues currently.
Translation: Our governor is actually increasing the total damage and death rates from Covid19 lockdowns than if we just let the virus play out and develop herd immunity. Sensationalist news media prints the horror stories to scare people, like the most recent pregnant mother who died of covid while giving birth. Emotionally based thinkers read that, and get scared out of their minds at how terrible this flu is. Rational based minds decide to fo online and pull statistics, and end up seeing that over 50 people each day die in childbirth related medical emergencies, with 30 from complications fron the regular flu.
I believe the media has a definite agenda, and deliberately skews its coverage to deliberately increase the panic in ill informed/factually challenged people, our governor included, to end up causing untold suffering where it does not need be so.
If I had my way, I would tar and feather all politically biased news organizations, or charge them with high crimes against the american people.
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RH_Runner, Thu Apr 30 2020, 09:38AM
Totally agree with everything said!
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Tlingit, Thu Apr 30 2020, 10:40AM
Well said. The Covid mortality numbers quoted by our biased leaders and left wing media are false. EVERYONE who dies now who is Covid positive, is added to the padded Covid number. Regardless if you die of a stroke, cancer in hospice, or any comorbitity issues, if you are positive for Covid, Covid is the cause of death.
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Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 30 2020, 11:25AM
There's another decent discussion in NEWS with some interesting facts & statistics. [Click Here]
It's very likely 1/2 to 1/3rd of the current Covid19 related deaths are inaccurate. You can probably drop it down to 30,000 attributed to coronavirus. Dr's and coroners are no longer investigating reasoning behind a death, they just put it down as Covid19 death. Easier to write it off, even if they had trauma from a car crash.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Apr 30 2020, 01:39PM
Weeks ago, I was expecting crime rates to skyrocket with all this out of work & even bordem panned out. In major cities across the world, a quick Google search shows it has actually plummeted by huge numbers. Stimulus checks may have helped the money issues, for now. When that runs out and back rent/loans are due, will crime then rise? Open back up before it's too late.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Apr 30 2020, 02:02PM
I forgot to mention another point: California is granting early release to 3,500 inmates in an effort to reduce crowding. We'll see how that goes.
And then there's the mandatory mask wearing..
(Fitting now, I've had my avatar since I signed up here)
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Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 30 2020, 03:06PM
Yeah I saw now they're alerting residents in Orange County, a half dozen of the sex offenders they released cut off their gps tracking devices. Perfect plan!
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Apr 30 2020, 03:32PM
Whadda they gonna glue their ankle straps back on when it's time for the parole officer's visual check-ins? Or just going on the lamb..?! Nuts!
I did not know about all this : [Click Here] -Wired . com article
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MtMan, Thu Apr 30 2020, 06:39PM
"California is granting early release to 3,500 inmates in an effort to reduce crowding."
Thanks Gavin.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 01 2020, 08:51AM
Adelanto 30
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 26
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 3
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 27
Blue Jay 3
Chino 59
Chino Hills 59
Colton 69
Crestline 6
Fontana 245
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 54
Highland 64
Joshua Tree 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 12
Montclair 31
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 12
Ontario 151
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga 116
Redlands 101
Rialto 92
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 3
San Bernardino 247
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 90
Victorville 93
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 177
Yucca Valley 12
Undetermined 167
Grand Total 2,058
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 01 2020, 08:52AM
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
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BillyJean, Fri May 01 2020, 09:22AM
So what you're say is, the lock down had no impact?? Whoops!
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SSJ2012, Fri May 01 2020, 11:17AM
Hard to actually say, they’re not exactly forthcoming in who and where the new case are. I’m not talking about I want their exact address, but I think it be important to find out if the person is a nursing home, hospital worker, 1st responder, etc. If it general public, who should be staying at home, then it raises more questions. Personally I think they would had better luck controlling this by education and “asking businesses and citizens” to follow recommendations.
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Benny ⭐, Fri May 01 2020, 12:51PM
I believe in LA county they reported 80% of their fatalities were from nursing homes, of those 92% had underlying conditions.
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Jellylorum, Fri May 01 2020, 01:25PM
SBCO dashboard, outbreaks tab, indicates 44 of 93 deaths were in care facilities.
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SSJ2012, Fri May 01 2020, 04:09PM
Shocking, let’s close the beaches but let’s look the other way at helping long term care facilities.
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SSJ2012, Fri May 01 2020, 04:19PM
A lot of fatalities are people who made poor choices in life. I’m one of the poor choice makers. I smoked cigarettes for 25+ years, ate a lot of fast food, now with my high blood pressure I’m trying to change all of that. But those choices fall on me, I knew better. You won’t hear me or family complain if I kick the bucket early, definitely won’t hear me. My daughters and wife are well aware my health falls straight on my back and is my burden.
But also something I once heard a doctor tell my daughter when she went on school visit about becoming doctor. He pretty much said prepare to deal with death, everyone dies, all we try to do is postpone the date, but understand most of your patients will never listen to you until the damage is irreversible. Hard job, and definitely not for weak minded people. Oh and he told the kids if they actually make it through everything, they will end up killing someone. Life of doctor.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 01 2020, 05:47PM
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
I find it exciting that the doubling days are increasing
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springvalley, Fri May 01 2020, 10:23PM
I think the doubling score is kind of dependent on how they calculate it - The statewide version from the LA times says 19 days. But, if you start at the 17th with just over 1000 cases and go til it's just over 2000 - I think it's 13 days. [Which is all a flattened curve anyway] - LA/Riverside/Sbdo were all on the 3 day doubling treadmill before the stay the hell home started taking hold. The distancing has made a difference - but it's a slow train...
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mountainart, Sat May 02 2020, 09:53AM
CNN, yes, CNN, just mistakenly linked to a new CDC study that shows collateral deaths, disease, and poverty related illnesses in the US will most likely be 2 million deaths over the next 4 years.
Link finally deleted, and references scrubbed after 6 hours, suprised it took that long. They actively promote stories about how bad opening up will be, ignoring Sweden's open policy that resulted in no spike that overwhelmed their hospirals.
Current US hospitals are half empty as nobody wants to be seen for other illnesses that will only get worse to irreversible.
Anyone who believes MSM are our friends and have americans best interests at heart need to get their heads examined.
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NShore.Allen, Sat May 02 2020, 10:38AM
Here’s an interesting map
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Jellylorum, Sat May 02 2020, 11:21AM
Interesting article in National Geographic.
There were a number of points. This one in particular caught my attention:
Germany.
Initial infection rate: 4.2
After strict social distancing, the
Current infection rate dropped to 0.7
Sweden
Has 3x the number of deaths per capita, compared to Germany.
Initial infection rate: 2.3
After recommending some social distancing, but otherwise not enforcing it,
Current infection rate 1.1
[Click Here]
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Cap'n Crunch, Sat May 02 2020, 11:24AM
Very interesting NSA! I suspect many of the concentrations in the east, south and Ohio River valley area relate to comorbidities. However, the area that really jumps out at me includes Sioux Falls, SD and Sioux City, IA along the western border of Iowa. Another anomaly is the Bay Area. With a relatively younger, healthier population, how come it appears more dense than the LA metropolitan area?
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Jellylorum, Sat May 02 2020, 11:39AM
Sweden is recommending social distancing, and many are complying. They just haven't required it.
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springvalley, Sat May 02 2020, 04:46PM
Capt'n - I think the Sioux fall and Sioux City number represent hotspot outbreaks where there were mass infections in meat plants.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat May 02 2020, 05:57PM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 30
Angelus Oaks 0
Apple Valley 33
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 3
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 27
Blue Jay 0
Chino 63
Chino Hills 63
Colton 75
Crestline 8
Fontana 257
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 59
Highland 67
Joshua Tree 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 40
Mentone 13
Montclair 33
Morongo Valley 7
Oak Hills 12
Ontario 167
Piñon Hills 0
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga 116
Redlands 124
Rialto 105
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 3
San Bernardino 263
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 92
Victorville 98
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 177
Yucca Valley 12
Undetermined 174
Grand Total 2,182
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Hooky Bobber, Sat May 02 2020, 05:58PM
Angelus Oaks 0
Blue Jay 0
Now Zero?
Crestline up to 8
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cricket, Sat May 02 2020, 09:26PM
I would like to say something. I keep hearing people say that people with underlying conditions should just stay home. Usually cited are things like heart or lung problems, hypertension, and diabetes. Interestingly enough they never mention drinking alcohol or smoking pot or vaping. All three of these put a person into underlying conditions category due to either inflammation or immune system lowering effects.
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Airport Razz, Sun May 03 2020, 08:55AM
I would think that those particularly high risk types are already staying home due to thier ailments. Which means they are at risk by those that care for and assist them. Where does the chain break?Which entitled person will be the 'carrier' of suffering and possible death for these at risk people? Who gets to make that decision, we have already lost so many rights to protect ourselves??
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Cap'n Crunch, Sun May 03 2020, 08:58AM
Thanks Spring. Makes sense!
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 04 2020, 04:43AM
Confirmed Cases The total number of patients with laboratory confirmation of the virus causing COVID-19.
3
Doubling Time The number of days it takes for the number of COVID-19 confirmed cases (since 4/1/2020) to double in size.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 04 2020, 04:56AM
The way that they assign the cause of death has interpretation, /slow the infection spread rate is the goal, This virus is forever
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Squatch, Mon May 04 2020, 09:03AM
Wanted to share some "1st hand info" that I recently learned.
Last week I had a "curve ball" thrown at me in the form of appendicitis which resulted in my having surgery and a 2 day stay at Kaiser in Fontana.
As I was processed through each dept (emergency, pre-op/post-op, etc, I asked several techs, nurses and doctors, "is the virus problem really as bad as the press is portraying?"
Every single person either I or Mrs Squatch asked said NO!!!!
Apparently there was a big surge the first couple of weeks and since then everything has planed out and actually been pretty quiet!
I personally have never seen a hospital so quite, the only dept that seemed busy at all was surgery, no doubt due to a huge delay/backlog caused by the virus protocol.
Please don`t turn this into a "bashfest" I just wanted to share real information directly told to me by hospital staff, thanks for listening, good health to all.......
P.S. I tested neg for covid!
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Tlingit, Mon May 04 2020, 10:15AM
I've personally seen a marked decrease in Covid cases at my Hospital in the the last week. Other units in the Hospital are almost empty including the Emergency Dept.
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NShore.Allen, Mon May 04 2020, 10:59AM
Got the same info from my brother-in-law who is a RN in San Diego.. not much on his COVID floor and not many patients in total. Said they are completely restocked with PPE and ventilators, only having used 4 ventilators so far.
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Airport Razz, Mon May 04 2020, 11:14AM
I noticed on news this morning where they were interviewing restaurants and about procedures once reopening begins. it makes me wonder when I see a full pack of sanitizing wipes sitting on each available table when we haven't been able to purchase even one pack up here in over 6 weeks. how the heck can this state reopen when we can't even get basic PPE and once we can get it get it consistently? Personally no matter how bored or desperate I am getting, I find dealing with those parameters to just go out and eat just isn't worth it. I have no desire to have my order taken and then served by staff member wearing booties, gloves, mask, and surgical cap. Not real happy having to stand outside in line for basic pick up. Saw where a place in Sweden was using small individual green houses for the outside tables to sit inside. Nope, not for this kid. I'll stay home and light up the BBQ. Well, as long as the meat supply doesn't tank on us.
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Tlingit, Mon May 04 2020, 12:43PM
We haven't had more then 3 Patients on ventilators at one time. We currently have one we are about to wean.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Mon May 04 2020, 01:04PM
It looks like the Jerry Brown reusable bag has bit the dust. I never understood why they wanted me to bring bags to the market checkout counter that had sat on my kitchen floor, car floor, porch floor, etc.
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Tlingit, Mon May 04 2020, 02:24PM
Must be a hippy thing. I don't mind bringing my own bags and bagging my own.
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Squatch, Mon May 04 2020, 03:03PM
A couple more things I forgot to mention....upon arrival to the emergency room front door (a very detailed screening process btw) I viewed only 1 person sitting off to the side in the corona screening area, one! Pulled right up to emergency and got a parking place btw, that never happens!
My wife was not allowed to enter emergency with me, had to wait in the car until I was diagnosed and when it was determined I would need surgery she was only allowed a brief visit with me in pre-op, and never allowed back in.
I didn`t actually see her again until she came to pick me up a couple days later. It didn`t bother me too much but I can see how people who are very anxious might freak out without someone by their side, very scary for some!
No one there to advocate for there loved ones while under heavy meds = bad decisions made by clouded patients.
Second, per the same previously mentioned staff I spoke with, NO ONE DENIED when asked about the mixing of numbers pertaining to the flu/respiratory death numbers that are being reported. This means that the numbers are corrupted and we will never know the actual covid numbers. Our governor claims he`s using the data to decided when/where he will open things back up but using "pumped-up" numbers from corrupted data means we`ll be closed much much longer that necessary! That`s why I and others have such a problem with this numbers game, it`s BS!
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Benny ⭐, Mon May 04 2020, 03:46PM
Yeah the numbers are so skewed now, completely in-accurate. I know of someone who died by heart-attack a couple weeks back, reason for death was put down as Covid19. Hospitals fluff their numbers for federal funding, this is just one of many, many, many examples I've heard first hand from friends. If you look at CDC's website, they actually have Covid19 deaths in the mid 30's, a little more realistic. Horrific none the less, but on par with a more typical flu season.
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Squatch, Mon May 04 2020, 05:07PM
Right -on Benny!
The state/fed gov is keeping us closed based on an elaborate data system, CRAP IN, CRAP OUT makes this fancy data spew out a bunch of hooey! Keeping the 5th largest economy in world closed based of hooey data is absolutely insane! Besides, people are not staying in anyway, better to come up with a plan to manage that than try and keep people home, the majority are just not going to do it any longer!
Btw, isn`t the majority rule supposed to be what are democracy is based on?
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NShore.Allen, Mon May 04 2020, 08:22PM
Actually, our government is a representative republic, not a democracy. Direct democracy is difficult to administer, ask the Occupy folks.
Periodically, the citizens exercise their right to elect their representative to the government, be it a council person, assembly, senate, etc. In California, elections are the “ two highest vote recipients”, in a primary (possibly members of the same political party) who face off in a subsequent general election.
A question comes up every election: are you happy with your government? Usually answered with ignorance and apathy: I don't know and I don’t care...
Now is the time to learn and the time to care. If you don’t like what is happening, make a difference. There is an election coming.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue May 05 2020, 06:02AM
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
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springvalley, Wed May 06 2020, 09:10AM
147 new cases yesterday - so - sadly - the 2 days of no increase didn't hold.
With a 4-6 day incubation period - these would have been infected late last week, or over the weekend.
The other possibility - is that the paperwork didn't get updated over the weekend and all the cases got dumped into yesterday's numbers.
The next 2-3 day will show if this is a statistical anomaly - or a new increasing trend.
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BillyJean, Wed May 06 2020, 01:09PM
We're actually past this point now, time to return to some form of normalcy... Overall, numbers are decreasing, we've flattened the curve. 2 months is enough, back to work everybody!
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 02:54PM
Just read in the Grizzly, the City of BBL won't be allowing businesses to fully open any time soon. I guess that's what happens when sheeple elect morons. Wake up Big Bear. Your elected and appointed officials are destroying our community. The shutdown is a fraud and a political power play.
I'll be in Huntington Beach on Saturday to protest the statewide shutdown with people who actually care.
Information: ***https://wehaverights.com/ huntington-beach-ca***
Direct Link: [Click Here]
Please join us. Our community depends on you.
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Deb Doodah, Wed May 06 2020, 03:27PM
I’m sorry guys but maybe you should talk to a family that has lost a beloved family member to the virus. They don’t feel this is a political ploy or a scam. And maybe talk to someone that works in a COVID unit this is real as they sit and hold the hand of someone dying without their family. I have! My cousin is a nurse in one of those units and it is very real to her.
Have you thought that maybe the quick action of shutting things down may have kept us from getting Overwhelmed. I understand the frustration of being quarantined but quit making this political. It is about people, family’s losing their 32 year old father to something they don’t understand. Have a little compassion for those that have faced the virus head on.
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 03:31PM
Well if you consider this weekend soon, No the city won't be open. But reading the proposed protocol which the city is voting on Monday to accept and take to County and Governor for approval, they are fairly confident that things can start phase 1 5/14. Considering what we will be up against, I see that as 'soon'. Not soon enough for you? Then while in HB, why not stay down there with your fellow brethren rabble rousers, I am sure there are a number of Big Bearians that would appreciate the cooperation and thought of staying DTH. If protesters keep this whining up, Newsome will throw away the keys and YES HE CAN DO THAT AND DO IT LEGALLY and use the military if he has to. He closed the beaches, while there was a lot of whining most of the public abided and cooperated and guess what? He reduced some of the restrictions and allowed them to open back up some. You have gone this far, hang in there another week at least. Remember its not about YOU and/or a small select portion of the public that just doesn't get it but about EVERYBODY. No offense to anyone here, just tired of the whining and posturing, and not looking forward to the new norm at all. Why rush it and take a chance of making it a permanent part of American life. I used to laugh at the pictures of the Japanese/Chinese general public wearing masks all the time. Now I am one of them and it sucks and listening to a bunch of selfish people taking a chance it making the entire situation worse isn't helping anyone. And this from one who would have rather seen CA fall off into the ocean than have Newsome in charge. I shudder the think what the situation would be if good ole Jerry was still in power
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Wed May 06 2020, 03:54PM
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 04:09PM
Arguments supporting continued shutdowns and lock-downs in Big Bear are without merit. May 6th 2020: 2432 reported cases and 104 reported deaths countywide. These figures do not justify destroying our local economy and the livelihood of many. More people get the flu and die each year. Has common sense gone out the window?
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 04:41PM
A long long time ago Doc. Common sense hasn't been a commodity since the early 90s I think. Hasn't been taught in the schools for like ever. And when you mix religion, politics, basic human rights into the pot it gets really thick and muddy.
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KK, Wed May 06 2020, 04:44PM
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 05:19PM
Big Bear Business Owners: Please defy orders and open your businesses now. Businesses have already opened all over the country. The US Constitution is on your side.
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MrOwl, Wed May 06 2020, 05:25PM
Where the cases come from in NY.
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srndpte, Wed May 06 2020, 05:37PM
Rdoctor are you seriously advocating that Big Bear business owners break the law and open just because you want them to? You must be a very important person. Personally I prefer to thank those business owners for obeying the shut down orders and keeping us safe. And those who head down to Huntington Beach and exercise your rights. Please stay down there and respect my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The rights given us by the Constitution pertain to ALL of us, not just those folks who agree with you.
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 05:42PM
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 05:43PM
So Doc, you going to cover bail and further lost wages when the owners are in jail? I guess you didn't see the salon owner in OC thrown in jail for 7 days for opening without permission. Go to HB, do your protest and stay the heck down there. We don't need dissension advocates stirring the pot up here and suggesting civil unrest is the way to solve your issues. Go break the law somewhere else.
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 06:05PM
Perhaps this headline will further encourage citizens to fight for their constitutional rights:
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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed May 06 2020, 06:09PM
C'mon on, don't just send a picture, send a link....
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Squatch, Wed May 06 2020, 06:28PM
Right on Dock, or freedom does not end where their fear begins!
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 06:38PM
We are taking back Big Bear. We are taking back our state. We are exercising our protections under the U.S. Constitution. Standing up to tyranny is not civil disobedience but the duty of Patriotic Americans.
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 07:44PM
Not sure what you point is with the picture of the devil incarnate, what ever, distract and confuse when the answer isn't the one that is wanted to be heard. How does it feel to be in a minority position against the big bad government? I doubt if any of the HB crew have half the Moxie that college student had years ago when he stood in front of that tank in that square by himself. HB is just a bunch of whining. Whambulance needs to be called. Gonna look pretty silly 'taking back the city' and no one shows up or there isn't enough workers. Check out Texas and the newly opened empty malls.
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springvalley, Wed May 06 2020, 09:07PM
Man - some of these people just can't stop bellowing about their "FREEDOMS!"
But wait a sec there Chief - Yes, but with your freedoms - comes a profound set of responsibilities to the rest of a free society - and one of those, is your responsibility to not be an accidental silent spreader of a disease - with no cure - barely any treatment - and a high mortality for some.
It's like watching somebody lob chunks of concrete off of an overpass - bellowing about their freedom to do so - and that nobody got hurt {and then they finally hit a car at random - and kill an innocent person} But they don't think they have any responsibility - they have their FREEDOM! to do so.
And maybe you have the right and "Freedom" to drop that concrete - but Sonny, you damned sure are fully responsible as a citizen, when you hit somebody. [These people might make the same argument that they are free to get loaded - drive off - and hit somebody - and it's not their fault because they are Free to drink and drive}
So, when they shout and posture in Huntington Beach remember that these folks would drop those chunks on you - because only they matter. And these folks will come back into our community right after it's done.
And finally, before this waste of electrons is finished. Stop with the flu comparisons. The really bad version flu might kill 50,000 people over a 4+ month flu season - Covid killed more than that in the first 59 days. [Now 74,800 dead - more than can fit in the Superdome]
And know - in some ways - we have been VERY lucky. This bug is a [censored] to be sure - but it's not a super great spreader - it's death rate may be about 1% [10 times flu] We got on it early and flattened the curve and the 74,000 dead is a fraction of the expectations at this point. If we get out of this, with less than 130,000 US dead it will be a missed bullet. But, chew on this - if MERS ever had an allele shift to be a wide spreader - THAT CoronaVirus has a 45% fatality rate.
I await the inevitable namecalling and witty "You sheeple" replies.
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 09:54PM
Excellent dissertation on the meaning of Freedom. Cannot forget the responsibilities to the rest of society while exercising those freedoms. I don't remember exactly where I heard this but those people that these protesters are putting at risk are the ones that were unwilling drafted, removed from family and friends to sacrifice life and limb in the process of securing those 'Freedoms' these selfish protesters attest to have being taken away from them. No Respect. Not for others or their selves
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rocketscientist, Thu May 07 2020, 04:49AM
Doc, even though I quoted your post, I've heard this said a lot, so my comment is for everyone that said it and not just you.
People get killed by drunk drivers every day. So, I think we should repeal all the laws against DUI. Lots of people manage to get home O.K. when they're over the limit. If people are afraid of getting killed by someone under the influence, they can just stay home.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 05:52AM
As long as you want to protest what about this stuff
That 25-MPH speed limit at in front of grade schools
That student that isn’t allowed to bring Peanuts to school because of some other kid has an allergy.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 05:53AM
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 06:09AM
Population in households in Big Bear City
Total Population: 12,286
Male Population: 6,225
Under 5 years: 367
5 to 9 years: 396
10 to 14 years: 440
15 to 17 years: 301
18 and 19 years: 170
20 years: 85
21 years: 65
22 to 24 years: 177
25 to 29 years: 334
30 to 34 years: 343
35 to 39 years: 303
40 to 44 years: 390
45 to 49 years: 445
50 to 54 years: 561
55 to 59 years: 515
60 and 61 years: 212
62 to 64 years: 247
65 and 66 years: 127
67 to 69 years: 186
70 to 74 years: 251
75 to 79 years: 181
80 to 84 years: 90
85 years and over: 39
Female Population: 6,061
Under 5 years: 386
5 to 9 years: 348
10 to 14 years: 348
15 to 17 years: 277
18 and 19 years: 148
20 years: 51
21 years: 52
22 to 24 years: 167
25 to 29 years: 301
30 to 34 years: 302
35 to 39 years: 309
40 to 44 years: 408
45 to 49 years: 476
50 to 54 years: 596
55 to 59 years: 581
60 and 61 years: 181
62 to 64 years: 243
65 and 66 years: 138
67 to 69 years: 198
70 to 74 years: 236
75 to 79 years: 157
80 to 84 years: 94
85 years and over: 64
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Airport Razz, Thu May 07 2020, 06:38AM
Heard on morning news from LA traveler. "I don't like the mask, don't feel I need to wear a mask but out of respect of the driver and the other travelers I put one on". Key phrase - RESPECT FOR OTHERS.
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Squatch, Thu May 07 2020, 10:31AM
Oh Brother!
Like lobbing chunks of concrete? 45% fatality rate?
Kook-Kook Ka-Choo, you ARE the Walrus !!!
Nuff said!
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springvalley, Thu May 07 2020, 12:06PM
OK OK - I had a typo - it's 35% fatality rate for MERS
[Click Here]
Feel better now. 35% of MERS coronavirus patients die.
Yeah, that's so much better.
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Squatch, Thu May 07 2020, 12:54PM
Having recently been in the hospital (non-covid related) and spoken with many levels of staff, and via feedback by others "in the trenches," the numbers you`re regurgitating are completely non-factual BOGUS statistics! Go back and read thru all of the posts and check the REAL facts if you can even find any!
Concrete blocks, REALLY?
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springvalley, Thu May 07 2020, 01:22PM
Seriously - google some medical journal citations (I actually urge anybody reading this to check the numbers yourself if you find my sources fantastical)
"MERS fatality rate" (around 35%)
"SARS fatality rate" (around 11%)
Covid 19 may end up at 1% But, it has had a MUCH wider spread than MERS or SARS ever had.
That link is to the Canadian Journal of Respiratory Therapy - if multiple peer reviewed literature sources is outvoted by "people in the trenches" - then fine.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu May 07 2020, 02:40PM
WOW springvalley. I never knew MERS was transmitted from camels until I read your post.
Midnight at the oasis
Send your camel to bed
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu May 07 2020, 02:41PM
Yea kill the economy for a 1% fatality rate......
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mountainart, Thu May 07 2020, 02:57PM
CDC just posted TB and other related deaths to top 150,000 because of social distancing and home lockdowns. Not including he estimated 600,000 other preventable deaths that will occur because people are afraid to go to hospitals
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 05:03PM
Confirmed Cases
2,562
▲ 5.3% from previous day (2,432)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.9 Days
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 05:09PM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 38
Angelus Oaks 0
Apple Valley 41
Barstow 9
Big Bear City* 3
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 36
Blue Jay 0
Chino* 168
Chino Hills 69
Colton* 101
Crestline 10
Fontana* 310
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 72
Highland* 78
Joshua Tree* 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 45
Mentone* 16
Montclair 39
Morongo Valley 6
Oak Hills 15
Ontario 215
Piñon Hills 0
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga* 133
Redlands* 144
Rialto 125
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 4
San Bernardino* 330
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland* 100
Victorville* 106
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa* 180
Yucca Valley* 12
Undetermined 104
Grand Total 2,562
23up on the mountain. Cresline it looks like nothings working
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Airport Razz, Thu May 07 2020, 05:18PM
Crestline and part of Lake Arrowhead have the additional challenge of being bedroom communities.
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springvalley, Thu May 07 2020, 09:37PM
Thanks for looking Polar Orbit - MERS seemed to be linked to the camel birthing season - But, Since MERS fizzled out - all the research into it and SARS kinda came to a stop.
Which is a real shame - because if they had come up with a usable coronavirus vaccine back then - we'd be miles ahead on this one. The sad fact is that we stink at developing vaccines to single strand RNA viruses in general. (like Ebola / Marburg / Dengue / West Nile etc. none of which have a workable vaccine despite more than a decade)
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springvalley, Thu May 07 2020, 10:43PM
Butler Peak - Perhaps I should expand - please know that the 1% rate is including the newly discovered group of "silent positives" that are coming to light, now that a little more testing is being done in Gen Pop. There seems to be 3 groups - clear - asymptomatic spreaders - and those that show symptoms.
The Current Reality (based on date up to today) is that if you DO show symptoms and are confirmed positive - you have troubles. The fatality rate is a fraction less than 6%. (1.3 million cases - 77,000 dead)
(even the local Sbd dashboard shows it currently at 4.2%)
I'm trying to be positive here and still get sneered at.
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wisteria1, Fri May 08 2020, 07:12AM
"Cresline it looks like nothings working"
I am sticking with my theory that the statistics are nearly meaningless without widespread testing (a statistically valid sample size).
Crestline? Yes. we have 10 positives but as of today's Dashboard it lists the number of tests performed by city and, at 101, Crestline is on track for the same 10% of those tested being positive likely because the only people being tested do so because they are symptomatic, not just curious. In addition, the population of Crestline is @ 10,000 if anyone wants to do the math on that percentage.
What I do find interesting is that Lake Arrowhead, a much more active tourist/visitor area, with a larger population, is not listed either for positives OR number tested. NO ONE from Arrowhead has dropped by MCH's four-day-a-week COVID testing right in their own town?
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RH_Runner, Fri May 08 2020, 07:30AM
Not I!. No symptoms that are needed for a test at MCH.
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wisteria1, Fri May 08 2020, 08:05AM
"Not I!. No symptoms that are needed for a test at MCH. "
In attempting to be brief, I was unclear
In these months of testing, I find it strange that Arrowhead hasn't had even one test done much less a positive result. they're completely missing from the Dashboard.
And my interest is not inter-town rivalry, I love Instacart but some of Staters PPE protocols for the drivers seem a bit loose and, as a high risk patient myself, I'd just like the data to make an informed decision on least likely grocery store to kill me. (And I say that semi-facetiously. On the spectrum from "there's nothing going on" to "gargle bleach", I fall squarely into the "reasonable precautions" category).
I'd ask the County but I suspect they have their hands full with the pandemic and saving lives 'n stuff.
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Squatch, Fri May 08 2020, 08:49AM
Check this out, funny, Corona Virus Horse Race (a little levity)
[Click Here]
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springvalley, Fri May 08 2020, 01:43PM
Squatch - that's pretty good!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 08 2020, 08:00PM
Confirmed Cases
2,629
▲ 2.6% from previous day (2,562)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0405001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.1 Days
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 08 2020, 08:01PM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 38
Angelus Oaks 0
Apple Valley 41
Barstow 9
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 39
Blue Jay 0
Chino* 175
Chino Hills 70
Colton* 105
Crestline 10
Fontana* 315
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 73
Highland* 79
Joshua Tree* 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 46
Mentone* 17
Montclair 40
Morongo Valley 6
Oak Hills 15
Ontario 218
Piñon Hills 0
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga* 132
Redlands* 150
Rialto 128
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 4
San Bernardino* 352
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland* 102
Victorville* 111
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa* 183
Yucca Valley* 12
Undetermined 102
Grand Total 2,629
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 08 2020, 08:07PM
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan will begin lifting its coronavirus lockdown on Saturday, Prime Minister Imran Khan said, hours after the country announced its highest daily increase in new cases.
Pakistan, where a poorly enforced shutdown has been in place since late March, has recorded 24,073 cases of COVID-19, with 564 deaths. On Thursday, authorities said there had been 1,523 new cases and 38 deaths in the preceding 24 hours.
"We're deciding that we are ending this lockdown now," Khan said in a televised address on Thursday. "We know that we're doing it at a time when our curve is going up ... but it is not edging up as we were expecting."
Impoverished Pakistanis cannot survive under lockdown any longer, Khan said. "Since we started this lockdown, we had this fear that these people who are daily wagers, who feed their kids on daily earnings, what will happen to them?" he asked.
He said the shutdown would be lifted in phases and warned people that the disease could get out of control if they didn't take precautions.
The government's handling of the virus has been strongly criticised by scientists and doctors who fear the outbreak will gather pace among a population of more than 200 million and overwhelm the country's struggling health system.
"It will definitely lead to an increase in the number of cases, the number of critical cases," the secretary of Pakistan's Young Doctors' Association, Salman Kazmi, told Reuters. "We are concerned about pressure that will come on the hospitals."
Planning Minister Asad Umar said that initially small markets and shops would be allowed to open until 5 p.m., although big malls and other spaces which attract large crowds would remain closed for now.
A decision to reopen intercity transport and railways will be taken later, while schools will stay closed until July 15, Umar said.
Khan said the restrictions could be restored if the outbreak worsens, something his critics expect to happen due to what they describe as a confused policy response to the crisis and capitulation to Islamist clerics.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 08 2020, 08:10PM
Confirmed Cases
2,629
▲ 2.6% from previous day (2,562)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0405001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.1 Days
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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri May 08 2020, 10:17PM
SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY NEWS RELEASE MAY 8 2020
Face Coverings (masks) are now optional.
Face coverings are no longer required - but still recommended - in San Bernardino County as the result of new health order requested by the Board of Supervisors The new order repeals the April 23 omnibus health order that required face coverings as well as social distancing at essential businesses, and banned gatherings and short-term rentals.
Although no longer regulated by a county health order, gatherings and short-term rentals are still prohibited and social distancing at essential businesses are still required under the state's "stay-at-home" order. The County strongly urges everyone to continue wearing face coverings in public to slow the spread of the COVID-l 9 virus, and businesses may still require face coverings for customers and employees," said Board of Supervisors Chairman Curt Hagman. "But repealing the local health orders and deferring to the less-restrictive state orders will allow the County to reopen businesses more quickly as the governor continues to relax standards."
Many types of businesses were allowed to reopen today under certain conditions. The Board of Supervisors on Thursday adopted a Readiness and Reopening Plan and made plans to seek the governor's consent to open many other types of businesses next week. The board plans to discuss additional details on Tuesday morning at 9 a.m. That meeting can be viewed on the CountyDirect Broadcast Network at [Click Here].
Information related to COVID-l 9 in San Bernardino County can be found at http://sbcovid 19.com/.
Link to full revised order from the SB County Public Health Office: [Click Here]
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rdoctor, Fri May 08 2020, 10:45PM
Time to get back to work now. Open everything back up. This is not the Plague that killed millions. Still be careful with the elderly, but Americans will judge their own risk and when they want to get back out there. For business owners their companies and workers are essential.
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Nature, Fri May 08 2020, 11:54PM
I’m guessing by the the end of June we will all know where this stands.
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Airport Razz, Sat May 09 2020, 01:43PM
So the county's new position is it is better to do nothing 'extra'? Is this the way to be 'better' prepared to re-open businesses more quickly as the governor continues to relax standards? When did going backwards make going farther forwards easier unless you are a battering ram? What I see here is the spoiled children (City/County) just got their feeling hurt because Parent Newsome said thank you for trying but I want something else before I allow you to go to the dance. The spoiled children took offense and are taking their toys and going home to pout. Are we to point of NUKE EM ALL, let god sort them out? Glad to hear we have been put through hell for the last 2 months to be right back where we were 4 (?) weeks ago. Again, SMH continually still
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mountainart, Sat May 09 2020, 02:21PM
Newsome's edict of arbitrary 14 days with no deaths , and 1 in 1000 positive new test results for counties to open. Estimated that 1 in 100 have it, so what he in effect is deliberately doing is ensuring we don't ever open, and turn cali into a miserable hellhole of 3rd world epic proportions, which Nunes was overheard in Sacremento to say "that should being a lot more people to the democratic party".
Playing god with peoples lives, without lawful basis. How long before the media can no longer keep acting as govt spokespieces, when people literally start to starve.
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SSJ2012, Sat May 09 2020, 03:01PM
Razz, I think a lot of problem is, everything people were told fear hasn’t materialized except the meat shortage. Having rules set to say a county can’t reopen until there’s zero deaths for 14 days is completely unobtainable goal. There’s no enforcement of the stay at order, maybe grand total of 10 tickets issued for the entire state? Honestly I think we’re at point we need to roll the dice and worry about protecting yourself and family since a lot people are just doing their thing. If my step mother hasn’t caught the virus working at the nursing home where cases have now hit 50% of the staff and patients. I’m not as worried, she’s taking precautions at work and at home, and that seems to be the best practice.
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Airport Razz, Sat May 09 2020, 04:07PM
It is amazing what a little common sense and some basic hygiene will do for a cold outbreak. Probably best thing that has happened is that people that are marginally sick and still coming to work aren't doing that now. Never liked crowds just because of the 'snot' factor and if had to be in did take those extra precautions along with staying to the fringes of the crowd. Now I understand my affinity for fire exits
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Dave™, Sat May 09 2020, 08:06PM
Being part of the older group I sure wish I could feel better about all this...
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Nature, Sat May 09 2020, 09:29PM
Dave if you don’t “have to” work, keep doing what you are doing. Anyone who doesn’t trust decisions being made for us then don’t participate.
I fully intend to continue being overly cautious according to those who want normalcy.
I feel deeply for families and individuals who are desperate to get back to work.
I believe s second wave may prove to be more scary than this first wave and results may be very different adding more issues than present issues.
Let’s see what happens June/July.
I sincerely hope only good happens and we can relax.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun May 10 2020, 07:31AM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 38
Angelus Oaks 0
Apple Valley 40
Barstow 9
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 6
Bloomington 40
Blue Jay 0
Chino* 359
Chino Hills 73
Colton* 110
Crestline 10
Fontana* 331
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 73
Highland* 83
Joshua Tree* 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 46
Mentone* 17
Montclair 42
Morongo Valley 6
Oak Hills 16
Ontario 232
Piñon Hills 0
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga* 137
Redlands* 151
Rialto 135
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 4
San Bernardino* 367
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland* 103
Victorville* 113
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa* 184
Yucca Valley* 15
Undetermined 110
Grand Total 2,902
Locations identified
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Hooky Bobber, Sun May 10 2020, 07:40AM
Confirmed Cases
2,902
▲ 10.4% from previous day (2,629)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0401,0002,0003,0004,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.1 Days
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rsbruce, Sun May 10 2020, 05:45PM
Can somebody help me understand why San Bernardino County is allowing opening AND removed mandate of face coverings?
Thank you
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cricket, Sun May 10 2020, 05:56PM
RSBruce...the County leadership is weak sauce. They are cow-towing to a vocal minority. Keep you and yours safe. This is going to crash and burn. The cases have never gone down...they keep climbing. The Big Bear Valley cases went up. After this weekend I am sure you will see the fruit of their labors in short order. The City of Big Bear Lake leadership is just as bad. Worried more about hanging onto trinket shops full of cheap junk mass produced in China than the townspeople...some who have roots here for generations.
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MtMan, Sun May 10 2020, 06:55PM
Yes, we are all going to die.....
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rsbruce, Sun May 10 2020, 07:29PM
Thank you for your contribution to the conversation MtMan.
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Airport Razz, Mon May 11 2020, 07:47AM
Experienced some of what the new world will be like next couple of months this weekend. Ended up going out and doing my first 'face-to-face" bid this weekend. Previous customer that I am fairly sure hasn't been running up/down the hill, home schooling the kids, etc etc. Still showed up, hit what little hand sanitizer we still have on hand, gloved up and put on the mask. Owner wasn't wearing mask being in their own home I'm sure but still wore mine out of respect for them. Did what I had to do, touched as little as I possible could. And I have to say this. Not having those facial cues plus the distraction of having your face wrapped in fabric, is was a rather difficult chore and did not enjoy the experience at all. As leaving, of course, no hand shake, fist bump, toe kick, just a slight wave and would be in touch. Stripped off the gloved (approved removal method of course ) dropped off the mask and sucked in that wonderful mountain air and not my CO laden return air. Hit the hand sanitizer, seeing the bottle empty even further knowing that there is no ready replacement source, but then with the new 'ruling's I don't see any vacation rental or major 2nd home use starting up any time soon. Was not an enjoyable experience other than getting out of the house, even if it was just to the other side of the airport . New world is going to take some adjustments
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Airport Razz, Mon May 11 2020, 07:56AM
Saw an interesting 'solution' for social distancing in a restaurant prepping for hopes to open in the near future. The solution was the owner hung clear shower curtains around all the booths. I guess is does the intended operation but here is my question. How desperate does one have to be to go out to eat to subject oneself to such conditions?? I don't see that as an enjoyable dining experience. No matter whom I am with or what I'm eating for lunch/dinner. I just don't see sitting in a restaurant being waited on by a server in face mask, gloves, apron and social distance, and I certainly don't want to be sitting inside of a plastic cocoon. Some of the smaller restaurants, unless there is some patio seating, will only be able to handle maybe 4-5 groups of 4, if that. Most of them were barely surviving before this hit, how are they going to be able to survive with such restrictions. Surprised that more haven't fallen through the rabbit hole already, sure that there are a few that are just hanging on by threads. Curious to hear other thoughts on the upcoming world we will have to learn to live in.
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NShore.Allen, Mon May 11 2020, 08:50AM
This have been done before: Years ago, my dad took the family to a fancy Chinese restaraunt in China Town/San Francisco. We had our own room, big table with a lazy susan, small table with a water pitcher. The waiter would knock then enter the room. The only time we saw anyone else was entering and leaving.
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Tlingit, Mon May 11 2020, 12:36PM
When my wife finished her first marathon this year, I took her to a Japanese restaurant to celebrate. we had a private room that I found both comforting and intimate. But then again, I am an introvert.
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Nature, Mon May 11 2020, 12:50PM
Had a quick doctors visit and a conversation with the doctor. When I was there, there was a need to test someone for Covid. Felt a little different knowing someone was in a small room with me who may have the virus. The conclusion is, between my doctor and myself, the authorities are lying through their teeth about the numbers everywhere, including right here in Big Bear. The only thing I can think is, when that is realized and brought to the surface, we will get things back to normal sooner instead of delaying them by opening too fast. I guess they figure the risk is worth the dollars in the interim.
Stupid.
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rdoctor, Mon May 11 2020, 01:52PM
Best Sign Found Today!
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Squatch, Mon May 11 2020, 04:59PM
One word: RECALL!
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Deb Doodah, Mon May 11 2020, 05:27PM
Guys please don’t make this thread political or we will have to move it and that won’t help anyone. Thank you.
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rdoctor, Mon May 11 2020, 06:03PM
This has nothing to do with politics. This has everything to do with the livelihoods Newsom is destroying. He should resign. BTW I have no party affiliation.
Elon Musk to defy coronavirus stay-at-home order as California Gov. Newsom talks Tesla production restart
'I will be on the line with everyone else,' Musk tweeted. 'If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me.'
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 11 2020, 06:21PM
Confirmed Cases
3,015
▲ 1.7% from previous day (2,964)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0405/1101,0002,0003,0004,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.6 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 11 2020, 06:22PM
GO LUCERNE VALLEY
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cricket, Mon May 11 2020, 08:40PM
I wish people would not repost on and repost on and repost on where one small thought is three quarters of a page long. You know who you are.
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rdoctor, Mon May 11 2020, 08:53PM
I agree with Cricket. Thank you.
Shelley Luther's small business support site:
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Benny ⭐, Mon May 11 2020, 09:43PM
Better?
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Hooky Bobber, Tue May 12 2020, 05:05AM
The post was growing like the Virus anoying. Sorry Cricket for posting what seems like a ray of good news
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Hooky Bobber, Tue May 12 2020, 05:07AM
WTF
political crap Now a petition
We, the undersigned, are taking a stand to support small business owners and workers who face excessive government overreach and abuse. We believe that our civil liberties and Constitutional rights shall never be infringed. We have the Courage to Stand.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue May 12 2020, 05:12AM
I have friends that I went to school with up here 60 years ago I would hate to see them get sick from this if really blows up in a second wave. California with 70,978 confirmed and if only 1 person started the infections in the state. What the number going to be in 3 months with an unknown mass out if they stop.
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SSJ2012, Tue May 12 2020, 05:40AM
Yesterday went to doctors, had to have some bloodwork done, all the staff was wearing PPE, what blew me away, where I had to have my blood work done, happened to also be a testing site watched 5 cars with total of 8 people in car going to get tested, 5 weren’t wear mask. On ended up going to Taco Bell drive thru, across the street. Then a little fender bender, 3 cop cars, AMR and one fire truck, only 1 firefighter and AMR wore PPE after they got out. With everyone huddled around the gal complaining about back. FYI, emergency room was only 1/4 mile away.
Folks it’s up to you to take care of yourself and loved ones. If you’re counting on the government or others to act in your best interest, your in for shock. I’ve seen way too many people not care about themselves, why should I expect them to care for me. News stories of birthday party in Pasadena, inmates trying to get infected so they can be released, and what I’ve seen with my eyes.
Be safe and keep your love ones safe.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue May 12 2020, 06:54AM
[Click Here]
Updated on May 8 at 11:54 a.m. ET
Sixty-four children and teens in New York State are suspected of having a mysterious inflammatory syndrome that is believed to be linked to COVID-19, the New York Department of Health said in an alert issued Wednesday. A growing number of similar cases — including at least one death — have been reported in other parts of the U.S. and Europe, though the phenomenon is still not well-understood.
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springvalley, Tue May 12 2020, 01:33PM
For 40 years there's been a sign on the door "No Shoes - No shirt - no service" (because - you know hygiene)
Now - if you ask somebody to wear a mask - it's suddenly a brutal assault on personal liberty??
No - it's hygiene - and asking for a tiny bit of personal responsibility
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Airport Razz, Tue May 12 2020, 03:41PM
The ones I'm enjoying are the ones that at the very beginning were 'OMG, you can't go outside, you will bring it back to the family'. So 60 days later of home schooling, mask goes flying, kids no mask, going through stater brothers and takes offense because someone in line mentioned that there still was a sign on the door requiring a mask inside the store. Once again it's all relative to ones own perspective. I do remember the no shirt no shoes no service sign becoming a standard when I was a kid. I don't remember a big hulabaloo and it made sense oh my. And I grew up in an arm pit of CA, Ridgecrest, home of the Desert Red Neck species. They are meaner than the mountain version as they don't have snow in winter to cool off with
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KK, Tue May 12 2020, 04:02PM
Ha! Vons is trying so hard but then you have the butt wipes with no mask, no gloves and purposely coughing on the ones that do! They go up the down and down the up just to be nastier! I would never wish illness on anyone but what about my rights to protect myself and loved ones? Karma is all I can say...or is it covid?
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Cornbread, Tue May 12 2020, 04:17PM
Check out this video. I am in agreement with this Dr. 100%. Everything needs to be opened back up so we can get back to our lives. To many small businesses will not be able to reopen and MANY people are out of work because of a virus that 98% of us won't even get. And when everything is opened back up and you still want to stay Quarantined, well that is YOUR choice and you get to make that decision.
This is not a political rant, but if the moderators think it is than you have to do what you have to do. I am just tired of this whole thing. I think it has been blown way out control.
[Click Here]
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Squatch, Tue May 12 2020, 04:56PM
Right on Cornbread, this is about people losing their lives and livelihoods over a virus that has no real scientific or medical data that supports the shutdown, all of the models have been proven wrong, the tests are faulty. Can't understand why those who are scared think it is OK to make everyone suffer over the possibility of getting sick - thousands of people die everyday in America without Covid, the numbers are overblown, every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors, what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
Take a few minutes to watch this video, it is quite funny and at the same time a sad example of how many seem to have lost the ability to reason.
[Click Here]
What It's Like to Believe Everything the Media Tells You
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rdoctor, Tue May 12 2020, 07:41PM
California will be locked down for as long as possible going into the November elections. Los Angeles County already announced today they'll be locked down until August. And as they have done before, they'll likely extend that date too going into the November election. Newsom will toss a bone now and then while the people become impoverished. He and Garcetti know the sheeple do not have the guts to rise up because of their fear of catching the virus.
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MtMan, Tue May 12 2020, 11:10PM
And there is how to control society......fear. I'm done with living in fear, fear for you and fear for me. Call me what you want, don't care. Our constitutional rights are being trampled. How? Fear. When one gets arrested for simply surfing on an ocean alone or protesting, then freedom is eroded. I want to live in freedom, you know, the freedom guaranteed by God and our constitution. Those of you that want to live in fear? Your choice. I have the right to make mine, I choose freedom.
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MtMan, Tue May 12 2020, 11:23PM
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Hooky Bobber, Wed May 13 2020, 08:01AM
you have a link to this
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Squatch, Wed May 13 2020, 10:06AM
Skyline - my mistake, not HHS, but CDC
[Click Here]
Note at bottom of page COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death . - note - no test needed (my remark)
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Numbers above
Here's all you need to know about Governor Gruesome, of course it highlights how he is a "man of the people", the elite people of course
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Ben Franklin said "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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Cornbread, Wed May 13 2020, 03:34PM
This video is great and funny
[Click Here]
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Squatch, Wed May 13 2020, 03:41PM
Cornbread, posted this yesterday, click below to see the whole video (repost)
Right on Cornbread, this is about people losing their lives and livelihoods over a virus that has no real scientific or medical data that supports the shutdown, all of the models have been proven wrong, the tests are faulty. Can't understand why those who are scared think it is OK to make everyone suffer over the possibility of getting sick - thousands of people die everyday in America without Covid, the numbers are overblown, every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors, what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
Take a few minutes to watch this video, it is quite funny and at the same time a sad example of how many seem to have lost the ability to reason.
Right on Cornbread, this is about people losing their lives and livelihoods over a virus that has no real scientific or medical data that supports the shutdown, all of the models have been proven wrong, the tests are faulty. Can't understand why those who are scared think it is OK to make everyone suffer over the possibility of getting sick - thousands of people die everyday in America without Covid, the numbers are overblown, every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors, what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
Take a few minutes to watch this video, it is quite funny and at the same time a sad example of how many seem to have lost the ability to reason.
Right on Cornbread, this is about people losing their lives and livelihoods over a virus that has no real scientific or medical data that supports the shutdown, all of the models have been proven wrong, the tests are faulty. Can't understand why those who are scared think it is OK to make everyone suffer over the possibility of getting sick - thousands of people die everyday in America without Covid, the numbers are overblown, every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors, what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
Take a few minutes to watch this video, it is quite funny and at the same time a sad example of how many seem to have lost the ability to reason.
[Click Here]
What It's Like to Believe Everything the Media Tells You
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Cornbread, Wed May 13 2020, 04:17PM
My bad Squatch. I forgot where I originally saw this video.
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srndpte, Wed May 13 2020, 04:38PM
ummm, admins? I wonder if you could split this thread in two parts- one for covid-19 news and information and one for political rants like those above my post.
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springvalley, Wed May 13 2020, 05:04PM
Cosigned. The political shouting is neither helpful, nor particularly accurate.
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rdoctor, Thu May 14 2020, 12:25PM
Best quote of the day:
"When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health. When the State puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous, but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health! When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot, but dangerous to go to your local hobby store it's not about your health. When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health. When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health. When the State bans dental visits because it’s unsafe, but deems abortions are safe, it's not about your health. When the State tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health! When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH. WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes and ears to what is happening!"
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Nature, Thu May 14 2020, 12:52PM
You know... I’ve had people in my circle move to Texas and Arizona because they liked those states so much more.
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Benny ⭐, Thu May 14 2020, 02:39PM
Same here..... and Idaho, don't forget about Idaho! All 3 are great states, I have friends in all of them. I'm eyeing Arizona, fun there during monsoon season!
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SCM ALERT🚨, Thu May 14 2020, 02:40PM
My SCM Friends: Please keep the political discussions in the Politics Forum.
Thank you!
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Nature, Thu May 14 2020, 06:41PM
Idaho is very nice.
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srndpte, Thu May 14 2020, 06:47PM
thank you SCM Alert!
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MrOwl, Thu May 14 2020, 06:59PM
It's horrible, cold and crowded.
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Mtngoat John⭐, Thu May 14 2020, 07:00PM
Actually it is a horrible place. Wildfires galore, wasps the size of elephants, lakes and rivers that are a downright menace to the public. Snow, snow and more snow, followed by torrential flooding and mud season. Gun fire constantly, wild weather, horrible lightning storms and the wind, don't even get me started on the wind. ID should be avoided at all cost. The preceding has been a PSA from the N ID Chamber of Commerce.
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Squatch, Thu May 14 2020, 07:05PM
Well guys/gals, it looks like our pointing out the government`s bad decisions and policies based on severely flawed data concerning the Covid has now officially been branded POLITICAL! Never mind the clear connections as they relate to Covid!
Kinda sad, CENSORSHIP....first Facebook, Youtube, Tritter, Google and now Socal Mountain Forums!
Political section viewable by "members only! Really!
I will continue to fight for ALL of OUR rights, maybe one day the "naysayers " will get it before it`s too late!
Cheers to All....
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rdoctor, Thu May 14 2020, 07:45PM
Thank you for saying that Squatch. There's many more here right at your side. God Bless.
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MtMan, Thu May 14 2020, 08:35PM
Squatch, I agree.
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Lostinbigbear, Thu May 14 2020, 10:24PM
Yep, I agree too Squatch...🙋♀️
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Benny ⭐, Thu May 14 2020, 10:49PM
Many of us do agree with you, however, "General Discussion" isn't the place to be trash-talking political entities. That is what the "Political Forum" was created for. This was meant to be more a General Discussion on Coronavirus, a place for information, compare notes, learn what's happening in our community, not so much on who caused it and who didn't do enough to stop it. Sure, things could have been done differently, we live & learn. We never said you can't say what you believe in, just ask you to put it in the right place if you're going to start cussing and make it political. If you would like to dig deeper and play political blame games, simply take it to the political forum, that's all we ask. There is no censorship there but be warned, there is no censorship there.
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Squatch, Fri May 15 2020, 08:14AM
Benny, I have a great deal of respect for you and Craig, your sites provide an invaluable service to the community.
In this case I have to respectably disagree with burying critical information/decisions concerning covid in a section closed to the general viewers and titled political. Reporting/sharing this info may seem like political ranting but it`s not, in fact it`s information/decisions people need to know about and how it will affect our lives and is clearly covid related. ie:" a place for information, compare notes and learn what`s happening in our community"...
If the politicians have a political agenda or not, that`s for everyone to decide for themselves...
Your sandbox...
Cheers
P.S. For the record, I don`t recall ever using cuss words!
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Benny ⭐, Fri May 15 2020, 09:09AM
I never said you did, I wasnt talking to you. But there were f-bombs and other "poop" if you will.
Unfortunately one bad apple ruins it for everyone. If you guys want to be vulgar and give political opinions you can do that in politics or in pm's.
All the rest is totally fine.
Thanks.
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rdoctor, Fri May 15 2020, 10:08AM
The excessive response to COVID-19 might go down as the biggest hoax of all time except for the world being flat.
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Craig ⭐, Fri May 15 2020, 12:15PM
I want to get into this discussion and I will make sure its not going to flame along political lines.
Mr. Rdoctor, when you say Hoax do you mean it doesn't exist or are you implying that it is simply the flu and doesn't need to be treated any differently? Or maybe one of several other thoughts. I am always curious as to others thoughts about this bug. On the SCM facebook page, it is far more wild west than it is here and I think I have heard every theory that exists to date.
Thanks Rdoctor!
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BillyJean, Fri May 15 2020, 01:09PM
This gentleman thought it was a hoax, then he died from it...
Story from the NPR [Click Here]
"The family of John McDaniel, an Ohio man who died from COVID-19 after initially claiming the pandemic was overblown, is grieving this week. McDaniel's wife says they're also mourning the fact that her husband didn't get a chance to change the stance he took against the initial public response to the outbreak. It's now clear, she adds, that shutdown orders were necessary.
"We know if John was still here with us he would acknowledge the national crisis we are in, abide by the stay-at-home order, and encourage family and friends to do the same," Lisa McDaniel wrote in a Facebook post. "But sadly he is not with us and we will forever have to live and cope with how his life ended far too soon."
She added, "Further, we will never be able to erase from our hearts and minds the negative posts that have been made and shared about John this past week."
The backlash against John McDaniel's early remarks about COVID-19 on Facebook and Twitter forced his family to cancel plans to put a video stream of his funeral service online.
McDaniel died at age 60 last week, becoming the first person reported to have died from COVID-19 in Marion County."
And yes, the earth is flat, duh!
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mountainart, Fri May 15 2020, 03:49PM
The problem is that for an equal number of preventable yearly deaths from other causes is not reported, and every heartwrenching case that can be obliquely related to covid 19 is actively searched out and published/editorialized by the mainstream media. This causes associative distress and panic in the general population, as opposed to nobody getting worked up by vehicle deaths which are about the same number, or medical error deaths which are yearly 4 times as much.
People really need to evaluate the exposure to hysteria based media reporting.
Where is the panic and terror relating to heart disease, or diabetes, which kills orders of magnitude more people, year after year. Do we see making Golden Corrall illegal, or sugary foods forbidden, in order to stop a far far worse annual mortality rate? This is what I think some here are unconsciously relating to, when they see the enforced shutdown of the economy, which according to the CDC's own website estimated the deathrate from poverty and stress related issues to be 10 times what the virus is doing. Look at the countries that have not instituted lockdowns, like Sweden, which still has a similar death rate to covid as those countries enforcing lockdowns. But they will not have any of the lockdown related economic collapses and accompanying health problems.
This is not a political issue, but a human condition issue. We should continue to try to mitigate the spread and deaths as much as it does not end up causing more deaths from lockdown and panic issues
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Airport Razz, Fri May 15 2020, 04:53PM
Man, those tire tracks across my back are going to tough to get out in the laundry. Nothing like an entire town thrown under the bus. Vacation rentals back open. Renters to bring their own food and stuff and leave our stores alone. SURE THATS GONNA HAPPEN. Got news for you folks. Just made a trip through town. there is NO and I mean NO TP, PT, Lysol, Wipes, Hand sanitizer (in substantial quantities, not 2oz), bleach, and half the freezer case at Staters is bare. WTH, This town is not ready for this onslaught of humanity, even if the owners, renters abide by the new protocols. Here is the new 'BEST PRACTICES' FOR THE BIG BEAR VALLEY. Vacation rental pages 8-11
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Deb Doodah, Fri May 15 2020, 06:17PM
Hey Razz it is similar dth as well. We can get TP and meat but you have to time it just right. Sams Club has gone back to limiting purchases of meat products and I have not seen Lysol or Clorox wipes in months.
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Craig ⭐, Fri May 15 2020, 09:03PM
I finally found some "good" TP on Amazon I bought 1000 rolls just in case! Naw.... Limit 1 per customer but it is one of the dense rolls where 12 = 2500 regular rolls
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Hooky Bobber, Sat May 16 2020, 06:48AM
Any opinion or thought on why Crestline cases continue to grow in numbers, that area is at 11 now, seems to be on the climb
County
over 30 days
of Confirmed cases in county
4/15 -996
5/15 -3311
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Tlingit, Sat May 16 2020, 07:27AM
We're seeing a spike everywhere. We went from 4 positive, and 3 PUI, to 7 positive and 9 PUI within 3 days. I believe it's because people are tired of staying home. Got invited to a dinner party last night, 4 couples total but no masks. (Can't eat with a mask). Wife and I stayed home.
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wisteria1, Sat May 16 2020, 10:37AM
Crestline was at 5 for some time then, as MCH started doing testing, the number rose to 10 and finally an 11th appeared. Meanwhile, 145 Crestliners have been tested (out of 10,000 residents). 11 out of 145 is still below the average of 10% testing positive - and 145 out of 10,000 still represents a significantly insignificant sample.
There's something odd about that SB County Dashboard. Lake Arrowhead still isn't listed as having anyone even tested, much less positive. I think the unincorporated areas are confusing them.
We're trying to draw conclusions (and make life-altering decisions) based on insubstantial data which apparently has a fairly hefty margin of error (because that's all we've got to go on).
Strange days.
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Nature, Sat May 16 2020, 12:59PM
Costco had a ton of toilet paper.
Charmin double rolls in 16 packs and Kirkland brand big packs.
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Nature, Sat May 16 2020, 01:11PM
My doctor already confirmed to me the Big Bear Covid numbers aren’t real.
One covid test was being done during my visit so I asked about the accuracy of our reported numbers in Big Bear.
There are considerable more but the doctor wouldn’t give me a number.
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Airport Razz, Sat May 16 2020, 01:38PM
Thank you for that information. On one hand good to know if can get down the hill for supplies, on the other hand, just how does that help us up here where the shelves are empty and we have more and more people coming up to visit and will need to purchase stuff because 50% wont being stuff with them?????
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Socalman, Sat May 16 2020, 02:09PM
As more and more tests are administered, it only stands to reason that more cases will be discovered..to a point. There may be a great many people who are asymptomatic or have such slight symptoms they do not think they have the virus. As requirements for testing have opened up more people are being tested. Odd, at the very end of January into early Feb. I had some 'flu=like' symptoms. I keep wondering if I had a mild case of C-19?
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Nature, Sat May 16 2020, 03:04PM
As I understand it the tests are still for serious symptoms only. I don’t trust the tests at this time as too often they are proven to give false negatives. Everything is still in the beginning stages. I’ll wait for confirmation of more accurate tests regardless of how long it takes to get them back. June into July will tell all about the process of reopening the country without accurate testing, even if that means testing twice. The sick should stay home until completely well.
Who are they?
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Airport Razz, Sat May 16 2020, 03:17PM
And there is that giant frikkin elephant back in the room again. We just don't know whom the sick are and by the time it is found out they have already further spread the virus to another 100+ potential victims. Anyone else see the fallacy in what is being done putting an end to anything quickly?
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Airport Razz, Sat May 16 2020, 03:19PM
Well, other than letting the flood gate open and letting everyone just do whatever. Go ahead and kill of whomever gets the nasty version, not your family so no problem. Yeah, No Problem. God can sort them out later
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BillyJean, Sat May 16 2020, 05:34PM
Shame on you, that's a horrible thing to say.
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Squatch, Sat May 16 2020, 06:14PM
Razz, buddy...you off your meds again? lol
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Hooky Bobber, Sat May 16 2020, 07:48PM
A seriously deadly virus is moving through the world 4,634,000 are infected 311,739 are dead.
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Airport Razz, Sat May 16 2020, 08:05PM
Meds would probably help. Been in a county discussion group about opening the rentals before town is ready and basically feel like the little Dutch boy but instead of stopping the leak I've just watched the entire dike blow apart.
Some really big elephants in some very small rooms these days
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Nature, Sat May 16 2020, 11:38PM
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun May 17 2020, 06:41AM
Crestline has added another confirmed case now at 12
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Sanitary Mask manufacturing plant video
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Nature, Sun May 17 2020, 12:33PM
That manufacturing link is scary.
Look what we get when we choose a cheap bid.
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Squatch, Sun May 17 2020, 04:09PM
By all means, PLEASE STAY HOME and spare us your constant finger wagging!
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sun May 17 2020, 04:25PM
Now you see why we don't put it in chat...
Torrance (Jill)
May 17 : 04:17pm
I agree, I always have my mask on outside. So easy to do. Then you see fools protesting, when people are still dying in their towns. At my work, 4500 employees, we are ordering masks, thermometer strips and infrared forehead thermometers. That is how life will be when people start to return to work. Your temperature will be taking four times a day. If you have a fever, you will be sent home for 14 days. I mean I can see of reopening of some business, as long as people are taking it serious, wearing masks, keeping 6ft distance and sanitizing a lot.
Nature
May 17 : 03:55pm
Since this statement is more people attitudes than the virus itself putting it in the virus thread was purely questionable.
Nature
May 17 : 03:53pm
Those who observe the serious requests appreciate others who observe them. It can only take one person to infect 100 or more in just one day. Some either don’t care or are belligerent, feeling sensible requests are unfair demands.
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BillyJean, Sun May 17 2020, 04:27PM
Now Dr. Fauci and experts are back to saying masks are no good and not to wear them.
[Click Here]
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KK, Sun May 17 2020, 04:55PM
The only fingers I see wagging are yours at your keyboard.
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Benny ⭐, Sun May 17 2020, 05:04PM
KK
Waved at Mike this afternoon, saw you parked down the street playing on your property. I didn't actually see you or I would have stopped to say hello!
Hope you guys are doing well...
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KK, Sun May 17 2020, 05:30PM
Hi Benny! Please feel free to remove my rant. 🤪😘
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Nature, Sun May 17 2020, 11:12PM
SCM it all works for me. Replying to someone in chat made that one a little more complicated. Thank you.
Jill, Taking temperatures works great for actively symptomatic cases. Unfortunately we are being told the virus can be spread prior to symptoms becoming obvious and the widest spread likely comes from people with no symptoms who believe they are fine. Unfortunately, the public statement, “If we test everyone, it will make us look bad” makes other officials stay in line.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 18 2020, 05:51AM
This line in the second paragraph in this link says a bit about the BS
Dr. Fauci, bonafide sex god and ruler of us all, who also said face masks are largely security theater and of no use to the healthy.
Come on
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 18 2020, 05:59AM
Worthless Thread
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Christopher, Mon May 18 2020, 07:58AM
What about me? I can't stay home. My company is considered part of the "critical infrastructure" and by law we're required to be on the job every day. Not only that, but we're exposed to the stuff the people who "never leave their homes or rentals during the weekend" bring up with them because they throw it in the trash in Big Bear Lake before they go home on Sunday. So when you say (with derision), "Stay Home!", what about me? What about US? When the trashmen get infected, trash collection will stop because we will have to isolate (provided, God forbid, that none of us get sick) at home. What about us? Who will people complain to when their trash isn't picked up for an entire month?
Asking for a friend.
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Squatch, Mon May 18 2020, 08:48AM
Hi Christopher, our business is also considered essential (medical equipment related) and like you and or your friend we have to take the best precautions we can.
And you`re right, we`d been up a creek with out critical services, we all give a huge shout out to you and ALL of the true hero`s out there.
My comments we directed at those who feel it`s their duty to endlessly chastise those who don`t agree with their point of view! Since my previous statements/posts we branded POLITICAL, I stopped pointing out that our constitutional rights are being taken away under the guise of Corona protocol. Many of us feel that there is a middle ground in which we can get things going again without sending 3/4 + of the country into poverty.
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Airport Razz, Mon May 18 2020, 09:31AM
Been my complaint from the beginning. First is was the 2nd home owners breaking Shelter in Place to force the issue that they had the right to use their properties (regardless they didn't have the right to get there) and there was no infrastructure available. We had nothing up here and saying, come on up people, how does that even make sense. Had we had infrastructure (TP/PT/Food etc) I wouldn't had a real problem. I have enough intelligence to work around most of the stupid. And now with rentals opening up, we are supposed to start accommodating again, and with our infrastructure still broken. So I am now supposed to be protecting ourselves, our employees and our clients.........WITH WHAT FRIKKIN CLEANING/SANITIZING/PPE SUPPLIES??????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? THIS IS WHY I AM SO PISSED OFF. MY MAGIC WAND IS BROKEN. I am at the point wear a mask, don't wear a mask, just would like to have some to wear, and my box of gloves is getting really empty. I guess I can just dip myself in bleach solution, but only have about 2 weeks worth of that. Lysol, what a bloody joke that is now. Like selling more cars but all the gas stations are closed. Dum de Dum de dum dum dum.
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Nature, Mon May 18 2020, 11:03AM
Razz is right. How does someone do everything required to rent a cabin with no supplies? They don’t. You wouldn’t believe how many follow their own rules or maybe you would. Anyone doing their best to stay safe from being infected or infecting others is everything those staying home or doing the same are asking. If businesses are opening take measures to be safe with patrons and insist they do the same or don’t allow them in the establishment.
The pictures and bragging by people who call this pandemic a hoax, make light of it, criticize those who are doing all they can to prevent the spread. No masks, crowding together, are laughing the face of fate. Essential workers? God bless and protect you all. My husband is one. Another family member works security in a hospital and one is a paramedic. Can they always social distance? I don’t think so but they use PPEs. I am also an essential worker but choose to work from the safety of home unless it requires otherwise. Gratefully it hasn’t yet but I know it’s coming. I’ve been exposed 100%. Going to a doctor’ office for sure and, more than likely, to any store. I’m careful and that’s all any of us are asking. It’s simple. Don’t make fun of a pandemic. It’s no fun.
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HATE330 ©, Thu May 21 2020, 12:58PM
FYI in South Lake Tahoe. No tourists allowed. $1000.00 fine.
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Airport Razz, Thu May 21 2020, 01:08PM
cage - I thought they lifted that a couple of weeks ago and were backing off on it? I remember when they put it place. I was hoping city would take a hint as the 2nd home owners were getting completely out of hand.
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MrOwl, Thu May 21 2020, 01:17PM
Quit being jealous of 2nd house owners, get back at 'em. Buy a house down the hill and go down when they come up.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu May 21 2020, 01:47PM
As a second homeowner, I had the luxury of raking, packing, and hauling 17 large trash cans worth of cones and needles last week. I didn't tell Razz I was coming. I'll sneak back up again and do the back yard after the holiday. P.S., I don't rent.
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Tlingit, Thu May 21 2020, 02:08PM
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Airport Razz, Thu May 21 2020, 03:31PM
PO, how you getting rid of all those bags this year?? I still have 8 left from 3 weeks ago from the front yard. Big Brown Trash Can just isn't cutting it so far.
And you are not the '2nd homeowner' type referred to here, by far. I love my neighbors and most of my caretaking clients. I am talking about the ones of privilege that wouldn't know what a trash bag is really used for unless it is something the maid or gardener asks for sometimes. The ones that just had to come up because they weren't allowed on the beach and they just couldn't take that ocean view from the living room one more day and had to have that change of scenery. And for the most part that wasn't a big deal, until the complaining started of that they couldn't find anything up here. And oh my heater broke, oh my car wont start, Oh I had an accident and needed towing, why can't the cleaning lady come out................ And the one that had the audacity after my having to show up at their place after midnight because the neighbor kid had a fight with Daddy and hid under their deck tripping the neighbors security cameras, that I was a 2nd class citizen (blue collar I am assuming) and who was I to point out that they were breaking state mandated regulations, those rules weren't for them and didn't apply as the city manager said it was OK for us to use our property. I mentioned the 2nd line of that statement which was unless it required travel that broke the shelter at home mandate. I was fired. And then they called my field supervisor to see if he would come over that weekend and cut the weeds. That was a WOW moment.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu May 21 2020, 03:56PM
OK, I'm in BBL and less than a mile from the clean bear site and have a full size pickup truck. I really didn't know what I got in my property tax bill, but it seems I got lucky. The truck will hold 12 bags per trip. I really appreciate the turmoil that the other people under the new one can restrictions are under. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a challenge filed.
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Airport Razz, Thu May 21 2020, 04:37PM
We have been told that 'more' is coming and to just be patient. Like I believe that line. I still see telephone poles from the last big local government/utility lie . We used to use the clean bear site for when we just had a few bags there on that side of the valley, but with the new 'no contractor' rule we don't want to piss Terry off. I still say that we are just an extension of the owner and we should be allowed to put their trash at Clean Bear just like they could IF they had the vehicle and manpower. Oh well, whatcha gonna do. Not like we show up Monday morning with 27 bags of rental cabin trash.
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Nature, Thu May 21 2020, 08:39PM
Those of us who know better and can choose what they want to do instead of being forced to go to work out of fear of losing their job, can find lots to do at home. Getting off the mountain for a HD well deserved ride sounds wonderful. I don’t even have to think about what is happening in town.
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Nature, Fri May 22 2020, 10:14AM
Just really curious... how much does it cost to spend a day or two in an ICU? Last time I had to pay the hospital bill for a two day stay, broken ribs, flailed chest and collar bone. Nothing they could do about that but watch. Cost me $17,000 but that wasn’t ICU. I understand some patients are in ICU for 60 days. 70% are not old. Sure good the economy is opening so those bills get paid so long as it isn’t those who think they are immune or their family members or their close friends. I understand cremation is relatively cheap. It’s just those darned hospital bills. I know .... just ignore those too. 😊
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Cornbread, Fri May 22 2020, 07:46PM
All school graduations have been canceled because of the virus. The government doesn't want large groups of people in the same area. This sucks for the seniors. They have worked their butts off to cross the stage. So here is a solution. Have the grad's go to Walmart, Home Depot or Lowes in the cap & gown and they can have their name called on the PA.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat May 23 2020, 11:19PM
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MtMan
May 23 : 10:13pm
Blame the city for the bare shelves, they are the ones that opened up the floodgates without thinking about the chain of supply. Thanks morons.
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BillyJean, Sat May 23 2020, 11:34PM
Respectfully of course MtMan, you can't have it both ways. On one hand you're arguing about our freedom and rights to get back to normal, then once we do you complain about that. So how I understand you know is, instead of the freedom to go surfing or going to the mountains on a nice holiday weekend, we should in fact be locked back down and living in fear? Which is it?
And by the way, the County of San Bernardino received approval from the Governor to re-open restaurants and retails shops anyway, so what the City did really made no difference in the end.
MtMan
Tue May 12 2020, 11:11PM
And there is how to control society......fear. I'm done with living in fear, fear for you and fear for me. Call me what you want, don't care. Our constitutional rights are being trampled. How? Fear. When one gets arrested for simply surfing on an ocean alone or protesting, then freedom is eroded. I want to live in freedom, you know, the freedom guaranteed by God and our constitution. Those of you that want to live in fear? Your choice. I have the right to make mine, I choose freedom.
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MtMan, Sun May 24 2020, 07:19AM
This was moved from the chatbox. I was responding to a post on someone talking about how they couldn't find things in our stores, hence my comment. Also, the county lifted more restrictions after my post was made, at least, I did not hear about it until after. I guess you may think having bare shelves for residents is normal and ok? I don't think it is good that the stores simply can't be keep up with the extra pressure be at this time. Would you not agree?
Hope this clarifies things for you. Pretty simple.
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mountainart, Sun May 24 2020, 08:30AM
In my memory, our 2 grocery stores here have always been temporarily wiped out every 3 day weekend. .. we just plan ahead and get necessities a couple days in advance. We learned to always keep a stock of essentials in our larder from when we lived up in Northern Montana, where winter storms regularly wiped out supply chains for weeks at a time. Just part of living in a fluid world......only in the very latest modern times have humans given up taking care for themselves, I believe from the advent and proliferation of the supermarkets from around the 50's. Especially more so in urban areas.
We have always been preppers, relying on planning that includes asking questions like "how do we survive if the "Big One"(San Andreas)hits in the middle of winter takes out our gas lines and roads, and electrical lines coming up the hill, and what about ground shift/faulting in the vally that severs the CSD water lines and they cannot get the material/labor necessary to restore water service....with no way to restock grocery stores, because of the guaranteed wipeouts from rockslides taking out our 3 main routes into Big Bear. Are you going to plan on depending on the goodness of the Natl Guard to airlift emergency food to us?
Lots of questions that ABSOLUTELY MUST be addressed by each individual, to keep their families safe and secure. Which is what 150 years ago in america literally every family through the great expansion already knew how to do. We have become way too soft, relying on others to take care of us, and now are perpetually coddled by govt giving us free S#!+ every time something totally predictable happens. This only works until something truly huge happens, then it is every person for themself. Are you prepared for another CME event like the Carrimgton event? Study of the Sun suggests this happens regularly, and since the last century we had that direct hit, it is a matter of throwing the dice until we get hit again, and grid is permanently destroyed. Our wise govt over the last few decades has decided in its wisdom to offshore all transformer production to China, under the pressure of liberal based environmental rules that made it too prohibitive for US based industry to comply with PCB handling. If they have to rebuild their infrastructure at the same time, guess who is going to be without electricity for a few years...... might be a golden gift to them, where all they have to do is declare their own production a national vital asset, and conveniently let america go back to medieval living, on purpose.
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SSJ2012, Mon Jun 01 2020, 08:48PM
[Click Here]
Interesting article that a lot of health experts and politicians are going hate. But like people say, numbers don’t lie
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 05 2020, 03:54PM
Nice unbiased programing
Here's a YouTube of it so you can cast it to the big tv [Click Here]
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BillyJean, Fri Jun 05 2020, 04:17PM
Worthy of noting, everyone, or I should say many, many people said Memorial Weekend would destroy us with Covid numbers exploding.
As expected by most, here we are two weeks later and still not a single new reported case over the past month. Sure, there could be a couple cases unknown, but it certainly didn't explode as all the doomsdayers predicted.
In recent weeks, it's important to point out that there has been only 1 new confirmed case in the Big Bear Valley in the past month+, and 0 new cases in the past 25 days. With an increase in visitors to Big Bear over the past 3 weekends and the potential for new community spread, the City is closely monitoring the emergence of new COVID-19 cases in our community, and will continue to do so.
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NShore.Allen, Fri Jun 05 2020, 05:42PM
The real experiment has begun. There was not much social distancing, hand sanitizer or PPE seen during the protests. Thousands participated nationwide.
Come June 14, we will know.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 05 2020, 06:07PM
Possible we (most) have already had it. Benny and many of my friends were down early on, for few weeks back in Jan/Feb. No evidence or sources.
Now I must lookup where that antibody testing was located. Lake Arrowhead maybe was closest, per the memory banks. Appointment only by phone con.
Edit: I hate flipping the thread page. Good key points from others just before...
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Benny ⭐, Fri Jun 05 2020, 08:02PM
You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable. I know people who have had it come back negative and those who didn't think they did result positive. So we may never really know the true scope of this. But we are now at the 14-day marker since Memorial Weekend, so if there's no new cases, unlikely to be any. Would have fallen ill by now.
Update:
Big Bear Lake is now reporting 1 new case, the first one in nearly a month. The remaining 9 of 10 cases have all since recovered and returned to their normal daily life.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 05 2020, 09:37PM
june 5
Big Bear City 2 2 3
Big Bear Lake 5 6 7
5,930
▲ 2.4% from previous day (5,793)
Doubling Time
16.6 Days
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Nature, Sat Jun 06 2020, 09:09AM
Over and over I’ve asked the City to bring up antibody testing. I have to admit the reasons they haven’t are understandable because testing can be inaccurate but the reason that they don’t know where to look for the best testing is lame.
Set up a task force to investigate the most accurate testing results and act. Locals need to know if they can relax or stay the course.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 07 2020, 02:17PM
WoW Quest here in town.
I had Lake Arrowhead incorrect as an antibody test place. It was in a linked SBSun article that didn't include Quest. [Click Here]
"Nasal swab and antibody testing is available from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. daily, by appointment only, at these urgent cares:
Colton Urgent Care Center, 1181 N. Mt. Vernon Ave., Colton. Information: 909-639-8800 or [Click Here].
Redlands Urgent Care Center, 301 W. Redlands Blvd., Redlands. Information: 909-335-1900 or [Click Here].
Yucaipa Urgent Care Center, 33494 Oak Glen Road, Yucaipa. Information: 909-797-8900 or [Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 07 2020, 04:47PM
Yeah I don't think the Quest office up here is processing Antibody testing. Need to go down the mtn, but I could be wrong, they weren't a month ago. But all tests are 50/50 at best.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jun 08 2020, 03:29PM
Lockdowns across the globe prevented millions of deaths from the novel coronavirus, new studies published Monday report.
According to a study by the Imperial College of London, some 3 million deaths were averted in eleven countries - Austria, Belgium, Britain, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Norway, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland – because of lockdown measures including the closings of non-essential businesses and schools.
A separate study conducted in the United States and published alongside the British study Monday found that some 530 million cases of COVID-19 were prevented or delayed by lockdown policies implemented in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France and the United States.
The number of COVID-19 deaths worldwide neared 403,000 and the confirmed cases stands at more than seven million, according to data collected by the Johns Hopkins University’s Coronavirus Research Center.
The World Health Organization (WHO) warned Monday that while the situation was improving in Europe, it is worsening in other parts of the world.
“More than 100,000 cases have been reported on 9 of the past 10 days. Yesterday, more than 136,000 cases were reported, the most in a single day so far,” Dr. Tedros Adhanom, WHO director general, said Monday.
“Almost 75% of yesterday’s cases come from 10 countries, mostly in the Americas and South Asia,” he added, noting increases in Africa, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia as well.
The United States remains the country with the highest number of deaths, followed by Britain, Brazil and Italy.
U.S. has also the highest number of confirmed cases, moving closer to two million, followed by Brazil with about a third of that number, and Russia and Britain.
The good news, however, came from New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who announced Monday that the country had eliminated transmission of the new coronavirus. The New Zealand has decided to lift most of its remaining Covid-19 restrictions but will keep its borders closed.
Meanwhile, authorities across the United States are urging people who took part in protests of the death of George Floyd to get COVID-19 tests after more than a week of marches and close contact with each other.
“Get a test,” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said, adding that the state is opening 15 new testing sites and telling people not to take any chances.
Similar calls for testing have come from state and city leaders in Atlanta, San Francisco, and Seattle.
As many as 400,000 people are expected to return to their jobs in New York Monday as the country’s largest city begins its first phase of reopening. Many will be using the subway for the first time in nearly three months.
Construction workers and those with jobs in factories, wholesale houses, and some retailers will be returning to work. Stores are offering curbside pickup only.
But the city’s thousands of restaurants will remain closed at least through the rest of the month.
While New York City officials appeared confident enough to start to reopen, the Florida Department of Health announced another 1,180 new coronavirus cases Sunday, saying it was the fifth straight day the number of new cases exceeds 1,000.
Experts in Florida say people are becoming careless about social distancing since statewide lockdowns have eased. They also note that the numbers started rising when the George Floyd protests began.
Florida Republican Senator Rick Scott accused China on Sunday of trying to sabotage U.S. efforts to develop a coronavirus vaccine.
In Europe, which suffered great losses earlier in the pandemic, countries are slowly reopening. Some countries in the European Union have opened borders to other European visitors. The European Union has said it hopes to open all borders to travelers by early July, the start of the summer travel season.
WHO director-general encourages COVID-19-safe protesting
World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Monday he supports the global movement against racism, but encourages protesters to do it “safely."
At his Monday news briefing, Tedros urged protesters to keep at least one meter apart from one another, wash their hands, cover their mouths when coughing and wear a mask while demonstrating. He also said protesters who are sick should stay at home.
During Monday's news conference, he also encouraged countries to strengthen public health measures and to find, isolate and test for every coronavirus case.
Also at the briefing, WHO emergency programs technical lead Maria Van Kerkhove told reporters that their ongoing research found it is rare for asymptomatic COVID-19 carriers to actually pass along the disease. She said the key to controlling the spread of the virus is to follow the symptomatic cases.
Kerkhove said they know COVID-19 is a respiratory pathogen that passes from an individual through infectious droplets. Symptomatic people are the ones producing those droplets, she said, and if all of them were followed closely and isolated, COVID-19 numbers would be drastically reduced.
"It seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Kerkhove said. “What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases. If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, follow the contacts and quarantine those contacts, we would drastically reduce" the spread. (Source: VOA News)
Story Date: June 8, 2020
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Jun 08 2020, 08:21PM
If anybody "quotes" the above I'm going to snicker.
If the flu numbers being compared to, ever had stay at home, hand washing & mask measures, there would be nothing to compare. haha
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Benny ⭐, Mon Jun 08 2020, 10:22PM
What a year! Am I right?
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jun 09 2020, 07:24AM
And then
(CNN) — The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization’s technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Van Kerkhove said on Monday.
“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They’re following asymptomatic cases, they’re following contacts and they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare — and much of that is not published in the literature,” she said. “We are constantly looking at this data and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.”
Van Kerkhove went on to describe how the novel coronavirus, a respiratory pathogen, spreads through droplets, which can be released when someone coughs or sneezes.
“It passes from an individual through infectious droplets. If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those cases, we would drastically reduce — I would love to be able to give a proportion of how much transmission we would actually stop — but it would be a drastic reduction in transmission,” she said.
Van Kerkhove also said that what appear to be asymptomatic cases of Covid-19 often turn out to be cases of mild disease.
“When we actually go back and we say how many of them were truly asymptomatic, we find out that many have really mild disease,” Van Kerkhove said.
“They’re not quote-unquote Covid symptoms, meaning they may not have developed fever yet, they may not have had a significant cough, or they may not have shortness of breath — but some may have mild disease,” she said. “Having said that, we do know that there can be people who are truly asymptomatic.”
Many people with Covid-19 who may appear to be asymptomatic actually could just have mild or atypical symptoms — or they could be pre-symptomatic, Dr. Manisha Juthani, an infectious diseases specialist and associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at Yale School of Medicine, said in an email to CNN on Monday.
Pre-symptomatic refers to the early stages of an illness, before symptoms have developed, whereas asymptomatic may refer to having no symptoms throughout the course of an infection — a distinction that Van Kerkhove hinted at during Monday’s media briefing.
Juthani, who did not participate in the media briefing and has not reviewed the unpublished data Van Kerkhove cited, said those findings are not necessarily inconsistent with other estimates regarding how pre-symptomatic spread of the coronavirus can occur.
A study in April found that viral shedding — when people may be able to infect others — could begin two to three days before symptoms appeared. In addition, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates in planning scenarios that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.
“These patients weren’t asymptomatic,” Juthani said. Rather, they were “spreading disease before becoming symptomatic.”
Overall, “these findings suggest that if we quarantine and contact trace symptomatic people, we can make a significant dent in the pandemic,” Juthani said.
Making this distinction between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic infections remains important — but also between “paucisymptomatic infections,” which refers to having atypical or very mild symptoms, Babak Javid, a principal investigator at Tsinghua University School of Medicine in Beijing and consultant in infectious disease at Cambridge University Hospitals, said in a written statement distributed by the UK-based Science Media Centre on Monday.
“Detailed contact tracing from Taiwan as well as the first European transmission chain in Germany suggested that true asymptomatics rarely transmit. However, those (and many other) studies have found that paucisymptomatic transmission can occur, and in particular, in the German study, they found that transmission often appeared to occur before or on the day symptoms first appeared,” Javid said in the statement.
“Other data available, from studies in several continents confirming that presymptomatic transmission does occur, would suggest that being well does not necessarily mean one cannot transmit SARS-CoV-2,” Javid said in part. “This has important implications for the track/trace/isolate measures being instituted in many countries.”
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MrOwl, Tue Jun 09 2020, 08:19AM
Stay tuned
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Polar 🌌rbit, Tue Jun 09 2020, 04:44PM
If the message contains "WHO" or "CNN", I just ignore it.
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Benny ⭐, Tue Jun 09 2020, 04:49PM
What if it was MrOwl saying who.... who!
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MrOwl, Tue Jun 09 2020, 04:57PM
Haha, then you better listen!
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Benny ⭐, Tue Jun 09 2020, 06:42PM
Damn skippy!
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NShore.Allen, Wed Jun 10 2020, 04:58PM
This development could set things back a bit
[Click Here]
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 10 2020, 06:28PM
6/10/20 176 new cases, 5th highest single day count for our county.
[Click Here]
HURRY R-2, SHUT THEM ALL DOWN !!!
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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed Jun 10 2020, 07:17PM
San Bernardino County stretches from the LA basin to the Mountains to the Colorado river. Biggest one in California. To quote numbers without area definition is stoking the fire. The authorities don't want to quantify by area because they lose control over people.
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mountainart, Wed Jun 10 2020, 07:24PM
95 percent of san bernardino county(which is bigger than many east coast states) is nothing but empty open land with a few tiny towns/hamlets here and there. Silly to shut down outdopr camping and rockhounding areas by blocking roads
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 10 2020, 07:26PM
Stating facts from the county dashboard.
Another fact, most of the county is rocks and rattlesnakes.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed Jun 10 2020, 07:29PM
I definitely have my share of rocks, but no rattlesnakes.
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Squatch, Wed Jun 10 2020, 08:31PM
I read the info N. Shore Allan posted, they start out talking about the past holiday gatherings being to blame for the up-tick, however, IF YOU READ ON, the up-tick seems more connected to the men`s and woman`s correction facilities as well as the very high concentration/number of nursing homes, specifically in Yucaipa, Colton, San Berdo and Redlands.
The left/media will of course leave out "the details" and push more delays on opening everything up or even reversing and closing places down..
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Socalman, Thu Jun 11 2020, 08:25AM
Excellent point. Another issue is the increase in testing.
Example:
If you test 100 people and find one positive, you have ONE case and a 1% infection rate.
Now test 1,000 people and find 4 (four) positive cases. You have a 400% increase in numbers of infections but your infection rate has dropped to .004%.
How numbers are reported is so important in this pandemic.
I close by posing a question. Do you personally know someone who has been tested positive for covid-19?
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jun 11 2020, 08:29AM
I personally know zero people who have tested positive for COVID. They did attempt to put it on my Grandfather's death certificate, but we fought it and it was changed. He died of something completely different and tested negative for COVID 3 separate times...
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Socalman, Thu Jun 11 2020, 08:31AM
I will add some interesting reporting information from my dth home city of Duarte. About two weeks ago the official number of reported covid-19 hit 100. What was NOT mentioned but found by digging is that 82 of those 100 were in two long term care facilities, one across the street from the other. Also left out of the report is the fact that one of the facilities had been designated by Los Angeles County as a facility to receive c-19 patients and several had been transferred in! That last bit of information comes from a close friend whose mother has been in one of those two facilities for quite some time. She continues test negative.
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Airport Razz, Thu Jun 11 2020, 11:13AM
Mayor Herrick
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cricket, Thu Jun 11 2020, 11:16AM
My best friend's brother died of COVID-19.
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Dizzygal, Thu Jun 11 2020, 11:48AM
I remember in High School (many moons ago!),
took a math class titled ‘How to Lie with Statistics’!
I went to a DOD high school (Dept of Defense)-was a
military brat.!!fanit
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Airport Razz, Thu Jun 11 2020, 01:39PM
Studied Logic and Statistics. Was taught how to not only manipulate numbers for the outcome required, not researched, required and also how to manipulate the questions to enhance those requirements. Again, it's all who you believe in and hopefully trust. That is in low supply these days. Heck, the scientists can't even agree if eggs and coffee are good or bad for you. And we are supposed to trust them AND politicians who are known to lie. Comforting it isn't
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NShore.Allen, Thu Jun 11 2020, 05:43PM
Now I know why the valley seems so busy
[Click Here]
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu Jun 11 2020, 05:49PM
I know no people that contracted China virus. Cricket, how old was the deceased and were there other health issues?
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Jellylorum, Thu Jun 11 2020, 07:26PM
43 per cent of people have, live with, or have a family member with a pre-existing condition.
[Click Here]
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 12 2020, 08:00AM
The random sample of 1,015 adults seems uncomfortably low, though was taken well before the outbreak, during Nov. 1-14, 2019.
Then there's this diddy-
Not to open of a can of worms..
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MtMan, Fri Jun 12 2020, 09:30AM
And you just did. This is someone's opinion and not fact based. Republicans more inclined to downplay the issue, really? Did they take a poll on that? I don't believe that and until you produce any facts backing that statement up, it should be considered fake news.
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Dizzygal, Fri Jun 12 2020, 09:44AM
“It is not the strongest species that will survive, nor the most intelligent but
the one most responsive to change.” Charles Darwin
The current Covid situation resonates Charles
Darwin’s observation.!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 12 2020, 10:55AM
Virus reaches milestone; Forecasts of sporadic outbreaks ‘coming true’
RIVERSIDE – (INT) - Riverside County passed 10,000 confirmed coronavirus cases Thursday becoming a stark reminder that the virus is still active.
Health officials are urging residents to remember the importance of continuing safe health practices to help flatten the curve.
As the region expands the economy and opens for more public interaction, health officials said they expect an increase in cases. It is not known what trends will hold for the novel virus during the summer, however, many viruses do slow during the summer months.
“We forecasted sporadic outbreaks through the summer, and those forecasts so far are coming true,” said Dr. Cameron Kaiser, Riverside County health officer. “It’s time to think about what the fall will bring, and those initial estimates aren’t good. If we’re not observing social distancing and facial coverings, two things that helped before and are helping now, we’re going to lose the progress we’ve made.”
Residents of all ages are encouraged to get tested, with or without symptoms, to identify where the disease is currently present in the community and where it is not.
Story Date: June 11, 2020
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 12 2020, 11:05AM
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Angelus Oaks 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Bear City 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
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Runnig Springs 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 6 5 5
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 12 2020, 05:29PM
It's in the article, almost halfway down.
The survey asked which party each participant represented.
Why would you ask me to fact check gallup dot com?
Or is it that Republicans are just less susceptible to having 'a preexisting condition'? So when the gallup polls come out [Click Here] , we should disregard them as fake news? It's all good bro.
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Deb Doodah, Fri Jun 12 2020, 07:52PM
Guys - please keep the politics out of the thread or we will have to start deleting. Politics need to stay in the politics thread. Thanks.
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rsbruce, Fri Jun 12 2020, 09:07PM
Deb,
Serious question...
How does one keep politics out of this topic?
It is an important topic and I feel should be in a public forum , not in the "Politics" forum.
Just my 2cents worth.
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Benny ⭐, Fri Jun 12 2020, 10:42PM
A great point, all the more reason to keep the political mudslinging out of it.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jun 13 2020, 08:20AM
Yesterday, according to the county covid dashboard was the second highest new case count.
Downplaying this would not be a good idea,imo.
[Click Here]
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cricket, Sat Jun 13 2020, 09:29PM
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
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mountainart, Sat Jun 13 2020, 09:47PM
Could you elaborate what you want the city to say enough to?
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Cap'n Crunch, Sun Jun 14 2020, 11:41AM
Here's an article from today's OC Register. Big Bear is in the top 10 of Air-BNB Covid destinations.
air_bnb.pdf
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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 14 2020, 11:49AM
Which City? Nobody additional has gotten sick up here, we are down to just 1 case in the Valley. We've had 10 cases "according to County", 9 have since recovered and there's currently only 1 active case, so our numbers are down, nothing "more". Thankfully no increase in numbers after Memorial weekend as many suspected.
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QuantumBear, Sun Jun 14 2020, 02:15PM
Jinx.
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 7
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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 14 2020, 03:15PM
Correct, those are how many cases we have had over the past 3 months (total cases), they've all since recovered aside from the one newer case.
So technically it should read:
Big Bear City* 4 (3 recovered)
Big Bear Lake 7 (7 recovered)
No Fatalities
They're only showing Total Cases and Recovered under county numbers. The total number of cases won't drop because they've recovered, it's still the total number of cases we've had in the past 3 months, but doesn't mean they're still active. So really we've dropped to just 1 case locally at this time.
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SSJ2012, Sun Jun 14 2020, 03:33PM
The way the numbers are presented give a feeling that it’s a lot worse in my personal opinion. In all reality I’m not nervous about this summer (mainly cause everyone is outside) but more concerned how things will work out in the winter when people spend more time indoors.
But one has to really, really wonder, with all the visitors coming up, where are they going to restroom since most are closed down?
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QuantumBear, Sun Jun 14 2020, 08:00PM
5th highest case count today in SB county.
Keep up the down play.
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Squatch, Sun Jun 14 2020, 08:18PM
Imagine, after all of the hype and fear, the numbers didn`t explode, we didn`t all die and the world didn`t end!
Very telling!
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cricket, Mon Jun 15 2020, 07:52PM
Another case reported today
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Benny ⭐, Mon Jun 15 2020, 10:57PM
Not today, that's the same one we talked about over the weekend/last week. Everyone else is just catching up. If you check the San Bernardino covid page, you can keep up with day to day numbers. Total confirmed cases at 11, with 9-10 recovered and back in society if you will.... no fatalities.
Obviously it doesn't count the many of us who likely already had it.
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rsbruce, Tue Jun 16 2020, 01:53PM
An interesting article:
[Click Here]
A quote from the article:
"The current mitigation measures, such as social distancing, quarantine, and isolation implemented in the United States, are insufficient by themselves in protecting the public. Our analysis reveals that the difference with and without mandated face covering represents the determinant in shaping the trends of the pandemic worldwide. We conclude that wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission, and this inexpensive practice, in conjunction with extensive testing, quarantine, and contact tracking, poses the most probable fighting opportunity to stop the COVID-19 pandemic, prior to the development of a vaccine."
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 16 2020, 03:23PM
Today had THE HIGHEST to date new case count.
[Click Here]
Perhaps someone could explain it for me.
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BillyJean, Tue Jun 16 2020, 06:56PM
Most likely due to newly expanded, extensive testing. In the grand scheme of things, 281 cases in a county of 2.18 million is minuscule, during flu season over half the county will fall ill with some form of cold, flu or virus. None the less, it's worthy of noting, especially if that trend continues.
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 17 2020, 06:27AM
Huh, 2097 tested yesterday.
Target # is 3288.
Over a thousand tests below target.
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rdoctor, Wed Jun 17 2020, 07:30AM
About half of the reported COVID cases are false positives. There's much variance and inaccuracy in the testing. A common cold is often mistaken for COVID. Spend some time and do the research.
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rsbruce, Wed Jun 17 2020, 10:26AM
rdoctor,
I am confused by your comment. My research has indicated that the false positives are actually from the immunity testing NOT the viral test? The ramifications of which test your eluding to is significant, eh?
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 17 2020, 03:57PM
6/17
Forth highest number of confirmed cases.
Testing, 1000+ under target.
Past week hospital census, steady climb in confirmed covid positive patients.
Does the curve appear to be flattening to you ? Please tell me it is.
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 17 2020, 03:59PM
The scientific method has five basic steps, plus one feedback step:
Make an observation.
Ask a question.
Form a hypothesis, or testable explanation.
Make a prediction based on the hypothesis.
Test the prediction.
Iterate: use the results to make new hypotheses or predictions.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed Jun 17 2020, 06:25PM
It's time for all the pessimists to stay home and wipe everything with their best anti-viral solution. The rest of us will breath fresh air, fish, hike, ride, drive, eat, drink, and be merry. Oh yeah, rake pine needles as well.
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rsbruce, Wed Jun 17 2020, 06:49PM
Actually, the ones that need to stay home are those that refuse to adhere to basic health precautions in public such as wearing masks.
The rest of us will breath easier if you do that
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 17 2020, 09:00PM
BTW, I'm an essential worker
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cricket, Wed Jun 17 2020, 09:33PM
If someone dies of covid in this valley I pray to God their family hires an attorney and sues the City of Big Bear Lake. They are being very irresponsible. Just about all of the Council members have a conflict if interest. They should not be opening this town to a free for all which they knew would happen.
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mountainart, Wed Jun 17 2020, 09:40PM
Since masks were shown to not have any effect at reducing covid infections, by, as the latest, German govt study, and long known in us medical circles, why do people still wear them, knowing that it is a govt mandated placebo? Answer: to make those who blindly follow govt edicts to feel more safe and secure when out and about. No big deal, it's easy to be gracious and accommodate the feelings of those around you who are uncomfortable going free. Just basic neighborliness
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rsbruce, Thu Jun 18 2020, 06:20AM
Please provide a link to the study you are eluding to. All of the studies I have read say exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
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mountainart, Thu Jun 18 2020, 07:10AM
Will collate the links and post. Meanwhile, average face covering masks have 200+ micron porosity, most cloth face coverings currently used by average person has porosity of 600 to 2000 micron porosity. 1500 virus lined up side to side can pass through.
Mention of face covering stopping average 600 to 2000 micron spittle particles from passing through, as droplets get caught by mask material, but what is never explained is that once droplets evaporate, encased viruses held in by turgor/surface tension disappears, and virus subsequently freely gets blown through mask materials by normal exhalation.
The only way to prevent virus from excaping mask material is to make porosity so small that pass-through passages are smaller than virus itself. Only problem with this is that for needed volume of transpiration to support human being oxygen replenishment needs, the filter square surface area needs to be on the order of square feet, not a few square inches which is what masks have. In other words, for a mask to have openings small enough to prevent virus passage, that ends up restricting airflow to such a degree that you would be suffocated by a mask sized filter in a few breath attempts. Only effective method is what the true viral isolating breathing units that CDC uses which you breathe through a large multi square foot aggregate surface area filter carried on your body/backpack, with a tube leading up to your fully enclosed facemask. The only problem with this, is that in order to be not infectious, would be to wear a full bio isolation suit, like you saw workers wearing during the Ebola incidents, but then you would have to have a second full filter system for your exhalations to prevent you from infecting others. This system is something that does not exist, and cannot be purchased yet. Also, assistance with gas passage would need to be augmented with pressure pumping, so you would need power supply and positive pressure systems. Then you develop issues with positive pressure "bubble" suits, as the positive preasure developed inside suit to prevent exterior air from getting in, means that conversely, you are constantly pushing your own suit air out through uncontrollable micro holes in the seams and material of the auits, which means that if you are infected, yur virus shedding will be pushed out into local air.
Absent that, and no isolation of other points of entry such as moist eye entry points, it is basicaly a placebo effect. Realization that average human has no way to purchase a breathing unit that is effective which costs more than average human monthly salary, and which needs to be serviced, filter replaced after only a few hours of use. Economically impossible for general populations, so govt issues guidance for basically placebo level protections, to placate general population.
This is just my personal take, after doing serious search and education of self by visiting informational sources and talking to medical infectious disease control experts.
But, we still wear masks when out around other people, as it is about helping to create a feeling of security and peace, which in itself is a positive thing. One positive benefit, however, of living up at altitude of big bear is that UB intensity is much higher in daytime than down the hill, breaking down viral structure very very fast.
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BootsNBridles, Thu Jun 18 2020, 07:25AM
Typical. You pick ONE study that supports your belief and call it good while ignoring at least 5? 10? others that say masks are definitely helping. How is it living in Never Never Land?
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mountainart, Thu Jun 18 2020, 07:31AM
Please reread what I just wrote, and go ahead and refute any of it. You didn't read what I posted. This information is available on numerous infectious disease control sites, including CDC referenced studies, JohnsHopkins, Atlanta CDC, and US army Infectious disease control Institute. I have spent days reading infectious control measures practices and measures, issued by these and other numerous pathenogenic control practices employed by the professional infectious disease experts who actually go out and have to work in the infectious/patenogenic environments.
Your calling the mainstream media reporting studies showing efficacy of wearing typical face coverings used by the general population shown to slow primary entrapment of exhaled particle is a good start into actually learning about disease and viral control vectoring. Dig deeper, and see that those studies show rates of 15 to 30 percent slowdown of particles, which is good, but those studies, if you bother to read the ones that go deeper, list the eventual passage of virus at close to 100 percent, once entraping moisture evaporates. Even N95 masks reach filtration medium saturation after only 20 minutes of exhalation. Then they need to be thrown away, as filtering process loses efficacy. What percent of the population is doing this? Statiatically zero. That is why I strongly call media bs, and label mask wearing a carefully crafted placebo edict, designed to help with mental health of general population. Google Loma Linda beat practices policy on masks worn by infectious disease healthcare workers. Efficacy of masks full design filtering levels listed in minutes, masks required to be used and thrown away on a recurring interval of minutes, or on per exposure occurrence in isolation wards. This is the actual truth, not media brainwashing public into believing that home depot "covid" mask will prevent viral passage after even a few minutes of wear. And specially designed medical viral prevention masks lose all propholactic ability when immetsed in water and subsequently dried, as molecular "stickiness" to entrap virus, bacteria, ect is destroyed. So washing masks and reusong them is myth, pure placation of population to prevent panic.
It is dangerous to rely on soundbite oriented press coverage at face value, without doing your own further digging and research. If face masks are so effective, then all those infectious hotzone workers wearing full body isolation suits are just silly overkill, to prevent passage of pathogens? Of course not, that is the only way humans currently know of to effectively resist transmission, and that is only from the side of healthy individuals, attempting to isolate from sick, as Army Infectious disease Control Institute reference, supported by CDC peer review, and adoption of minimum standards practices shows that only a percentage of viral shedding vectors from mouth, majority exfoliates from other orifices, skin, hair follicles, etc.
Ask yourself, if face masks are effective in preventing a sick person from releasing virus into general environment, why is it that isolation wards in hospitals have to rely on million dollar filtration systems to keep sick person room air from infecting rest of hospital. Why not just put a facemask on them? Occams razor
In my opinion, herd immunity will have to be the deciding factor whether this virus continues to be a hazard for elderly and immumocompromised populations( vast majority (last CDC published stats at 90+% , June 4 website link update) of cases that result in death/hospitalization). Ever increasing evidence is reinforcing that healthy population already resists this virus, with majority of positive symptomless carrier cases prove.
I and my family are extreme libertarian, less govt type of people, but we do not condone actions of people who deliberatwly antagonize people they come into contact with by loudly proclaiming it is a frwe country, so they see no problem in deliberately upsetting people who are yncomfortable not wearing masks. We are all one comminity, and that comes with social responsibilities to try to help everyone feel secure and mentally positive. That is the reason why we wear masks when around strangers, or those that have expressed desire to wear masks.
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Airport Razz, Thu Jun 18 2020, 08:11AM
So I guess using that logic profile and applying to other factions of our lives, I guess I really don't need to be wearing those really uncomfortable seat belts as I am traveling amongst the hordes.
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Squatch, Thu Jun 18 2020, 08:25AM
REALLY!!!
So, if someone dies from the regular flu, tb, pneumonia or any other potentially life threatening disease that we face every day of our lives, we should sue?
People are very capable of taking the precautions that best fits THEIR scenario....
Staying home is always an option, please leave God out of it and stop adding to the hype!
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mountainart, Thu Jun 18 2020, 08:33AM
Whose logic profile(post) are you referring to?
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BillyJean, Thu Jun 18 2020, 10:53AM
Also true, don't wear your seat belt if you don't want, and see where that gets you if you run into a wall. But since you're using apples to apples analogy, I don't think wearing a mask will protect you much if you run into a wall either.
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Tlingit, Thu Jun 18 2020, 11:05AM
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jun 18 2020, 12:11PM
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SSJ2012, Thu Jun 18 2020, 01:41PM
The reasoning behind the mask is simple, if I spray you with a water hose you’ll get wet, if you cover your entire body with clothing and I spray you with water hose, you’ll still get wet. But if I cover the nozzle with rag, T-shirt or mask and try spray, you chances of getting wet are greatly reduced.
The mask aren’t going to prevent you from getting sick, they’re meant to prevent sick who may not know they’re sick from possibly spreading it through water droplets.
Personally, I think the recent up tick in numbers is the fact the states are finally testing nursing homes and jails. The biggest outbreaks in San Bernardino County are the Chino State Prison, Jails and nursing homes. ABC 7 had video few weeks back of prisoners spitting in each other mouths in hope of getting sick and spreading the virus. Why? They thought they’d be released.
But media doesn’t want to report that as much as they prefer for everyone to be locked down at home. My proof is simple, if you’re stuck at home, you’re more likely to turn on the news, thus increasing ratings which means they can sale their commercial time and ads for more, that all increases the profits.
Luckily my mother in law’s nursing home she works at hasn’t had a new case in 2 weeks and 3/4 of the infected have recovered. In grand total, 29 got infected, 4 passed away.
And one last point, do you honestly believe the police right now are going enforce any mask laws? Cause they’re not even allowed to arrest someone for spitting in their face.
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QuantumBear, Thu Jun 18 2020, 02:11PM
6/18
440 confirmed new cases.
That's by far the most one day total, 2nd place day before yesterday 281.
440-281= 159
Down Play ??
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BootsNBridles, Thu Jun 18 2020, 03:13PM
So I just heard an epidemiologist respond to the idea that masks allow the virus back out. He said two things, paraphrased- how is the virus supposed to dry out and separate from the water droplets? You breathe out a large percentage of moisture that keeps the inside of your mask damp at all times. Once you take it off to dry you SHOULD be tossing it or washing it. AND two- the virus isn't going anywhere by itself for two reasons. One, it attaches to other molecules immediately and two, it's so small on it's own that it can't go far.
So logic wins. But many people will continue to look for excuses to keep from wearing masks and to keep from social distancing. Sadly too many in our society are selfish enough that their comfort is more iimportant than the lives of others.
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QuantumBear, Thu Jun 18 2020, 03:36PM
Did you hear the news
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wisteria1, Thu Jun 18 2020, 04:50PM
"That's by far the most one day total, 2nd place day before yesterday 281."
I think this is where numbers get us into trouble drawing conclusions. Fortunately the SB County Dashboard has gone back to listing number of tests performed at various locations every day (especially helpful up here with MCH doing testing three days a week). From what I've been able to see, every big spike in positive tests is preceded two to three days earlier by a spike in number of tests performed. Ergo....whatever you want to interpret from that.
It astounds me how many people (90%) I see have foregone the masks. I'm a high risk old lady so I figure it's my responsibility not to go anywhere and protect myself on my weekly run to the post office. Thank God for Instacart delivery and Goodwins curbside pickup!
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mountainart, Thu Jun 18 2020, 05:08PM
99 percent of your breath moisture exhales right through the mask. Average adult human exhales 20 to 25 cc per hour. That equivalates to a sugarcube size every 3 minutes. If your mask actually retained all your exhalation moisture, your mask would become sopping wet in a matter of minutes.
The person you quoted is a false medical "authority" who is so ignorant( or deliberate false agenda) that his statements fail basic understanding of how much moisture you are constantly exhaling. For the media to publish such patent malinformation, shows media is a direct part of a campaign to make the virus much more alarming than it has any right to be.
By the way, you lose almost an equal amount through your skin, about 20 cc per hour. Where is your body mask to catch all that virus laden sweat? If your clothes were impervious to moisture, it would be the same as wearing a rubber suit. I have done this. In a matter of a short while, you are literally streaming sweat from the arm and leg holes. You notice it because all your body volume gets concentrated to a couple exits, so you can really see what you shed, constantly, from your whole body.
A mask on your face only stops a fraction of a percent of your whole bodies moisture loss. Also, on any mask, you exhale moisture through mask, and even if there are viruses that are present in breath, the last layer that gets caught on exterior of mask instantly dries out at the surface when you suck in. This now leaves a micro dusting of pathogens that get blown off into the immediate airspace at the beginning turnaround of breathing out.
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QuantumBear, Thu Jun 18 2020, 05:13PM
Drywall dust clogs them
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SSJ2012, Thu Jun 18 2020, 05:16PM
Another note to add is the fact the 1st month of the lockdown, testing sucked, people who were sick didn’t meet the very narrow requirements and test were extremely limited.
3 questions I have.
If a person tests positive for antibodies test, yet negative for virus do they get added into numbers?
Second is while the website shows where the person lives, and they’re attached to outbreak, could it be possible to list the outbreaks. For instance, Chino looks like they’re getting hit hard, but do those numbers include the outbreak in prison
Last question is, does Big Bear have to wait another 4-5 weeks for a drive Thur testing event?
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jun 18 2020, 05:17PM
If you are at risk stay home. I'll continue to live my life without fear of a virus with an 0.3% infected fatality rate....sheesh soooo scary.
Also crazy how COVID seemed to avoid the protests... [Click Here]
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Squatch, Thu Jun 18 2020, 06:51PM
Yup, doesn`t make any rational sense, you`re not supposed to leave your house without a mask in public but it`s just fine to go sans mask if you gather in huge groups to protest or worse loot!
Not buying it, it`s B.S.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 19 2020, 08:14AM
Snip from:
[Click Here]
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Epidemiology reveals mask wearing by the public is crucial for COVID-19 control
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COVID-19 is mainly transmitted by saliva droplet which containing considerable copies of virus. Asymptomatic carriers are the main source of infection.
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Under different public health policies, infection curve responded more sensitively than daily reported cases and reveals that wearing mask by the public is the most efficient way to reduce daily infection cases.
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Our results elucidated the importance of daily infection curve in the assessment of efficiencies of prevention measures in an epidemic outbreak.
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Mask wearing by the public will be an important policy during the lifting of lockdown, as continued wearing masks can help prevent the epidemic from spreading again.
Abstract
Objective
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Airport Razz, Fri Jun 19 2020, 06:04PM
Devil's advocate time. Been a rough day, been called everything from a racist to an educated cracker (not sure what that is exactly but it was used after a number rather foul remarks ). And it is all appearantly MY FAULT because I grew up pasty white, poor, on a navy base and was educated by the american school system during the 60s and 70s 
. When did that become something so bad? Anyway, Devil time. I have heard time and time again, if you are in the high risk group or just scared and worried about your and others health and feel that wearing a mask would be helpful to a point that those people should just stay home. Well, I am tired of racist bigotry, yes, I said it, racist against the vunerable. How about this. Those that don't feel a mask is useful and a waste time and wont wear it, YOU STAY HOME!!!!!!!!! You will at least be among same thought pattern people that way and not breaking any law or state mandate and not present yourself as a putz. Yes, I said it folks. And I am tired of hearing it. 99% of the popultion is taking crap for a really nasty 1% that is still out there and hasn't been breed out of the gene pool yet. Want to attack someone, attack the 1% and leave the people that just want to go about thier lives alone. And before anyone says anything, I aplogize about the mixed message but will most likely leave this same message on the protest channel. Hey, everyone be careful out there and don't let the vertially challenged drive you to crazy.
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Squatch, Fri Jun 19 2020, 06:23PM
Buddy, take your meds, it`ll be ok!
If we haven`t all died and the world hasn`t ended by now were gonna be alright!
Just don`t buy into the hype, THAT stress is what will kill you! Seriously!
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Airport Razz, Fri Jun 19 2020, 07:14PM
Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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cricket, Fri Jun 19 2020, 09:06PM
He has a point. The ones that do not want to wear a mask nees to stay th F HOME. Keep your germs to yourself. The Governor of this Great State of California MANDATES you wear a mask when around the public. Grow up and do what you are suppose to do. Thousands are depending on it. Want to go back to lock down? Or worse?
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Squatch, Fri Jun 19 2020, 10:15PM
Hmmm, you`re going to scold/school US about whether or not WE wear a mask, but said nothing about the hundreds of protestors and looters that our gov officials allow to run around in huge groups and most with no mask! A double standard if I ever saw one, this so called mandate is a joke!
Again, you perpetuate the negative hype which helps no one, just makes it worse for everyone!
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MtMan, Fri Jun 19 2020, 10:47PM
Such viciousness from the "wear a mask" people. "Stay the F home", "keep your germs", "you putz", ad nauseum. Isn't that funny? Do as I say or we will try and shame you!!! Nope, doesn't work, nice try.
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Nature, Fri Jun 19 2020, 11:55PM
There are a lot of negative comments on both sides.
The difference is one side is trying to encourage people to be safe. The other side is encouraging people to ignore the vast majority of scientists saying we need to be safe. Conservatively, there are almost 9 million confirmed cases of covid, almost 500,000 confirmed Covid19 deaths, even with all the shut downs and practicing requested safety measures. There are little to no consequences here in the US for ignoring those safety measures. Some countries are fining and sometimes jailing people for ignoring safety requirements. Confirmed cases are only the ones being tested. The thousands who get sick and those who die without being tested are not counted. The increase in numbers are becoming alarming not because of the additional tests being done but the concern of hospitals who still don’t have adequate PPEs and beds are starting to fill up once again. I’ve said, in another post, wait for late June and July to find out where this is going and here we are starting up again. Pay attention. Non-mask wearers, hug and kiss and hang with whomever will join you. Those practicing safety measures, keep it up. You should be fine. You can’t change the minds of people who won’t believe there is a problem until it happens to them or those they care about. Then nay sayers “might” consider the prospect of not spreading their germs to others, no matter how ineffective they think it may be.
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MrOwl, Sat Jun 20 2020, 05:33AM
Where are beds filling up? We just had the third highest count in Idaho since this started and had ZERO hospitalizations yesterday.
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rdoctor, Sat Jun 20 2020, 07:10AM
Gruesome can shove his mask order up his rear orifice.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jun 20 2020, 07:26AM
You 'patriots' are not scoring very high in the citizenship category.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:12AM
What should be discussed is what is a mask, The cowboy style on a trail drive that’s not tight on the face the homemade cloth type with a hole drilled in for the cigarette or the N95 that filters out .00005 the germ. I want an N95 that protects me from the germ not to keep protect others from my bad breath it’s the only offence we have why bicker about who is right or wrong. IM not going to follow a social influence the Kartrashing the Oparh pig it what was required in 1918 they beat that flu.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:37AM
3M N95 are great. I've used them for years, sanding drywall and grinding fiberglass.
Look at the directions to bend the nose piece correctly or else it will leak.
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rdoctor, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:42AM
Fear is the best tool to control the public. It fits within Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs perfectly.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:57AM
I was single up in Big Bear in the 70s the only health rules don't meet a female at Chad’s. The Highlander or Disco seemed to offer a better quality trollop.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:58AM
Do you believe this is a conspiracy ? Seriously asking.
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Squatch, Sat Jun 20 2020, 09:56AM
Here`s the problem with using numbers to make public sanctions...
1. The data that is used is hugely inaccurate, tons of non-covid cases are being reported as covid which makes "the numbers" B.S., this is a fact! If this problem is truly as bad as they say, why did the Gov allow hundreds of protestors to gather without masks????
2. As a recent local article pointed out, the specifics of the up-tick are not explained in the reported numbers. Specifically our recent up-tick/cluster locally was mainly due to correctional facilities and several nursing homes that are all very close to each other!
3. Perpetually regurgitating the hype based on faulty numbers/facts actually causes many people undue stress which is also very unhealthy...
Lastly, NONE of the doom and gloom predictions even came close, this is why many of us have a problem with the "cry wolf" mentality!
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rdoctor, Sat Jun 20 2020, 11:01AM
Well put Squatch. Along those same thoughts, the California Department of Health put Riverside County on a "Watch List" for a small increase in reported cases. [Click Here] This supports exactly what we've been saying all along. The numbers and reactions to the numbers are being manipulated to create fear.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 21 2020, 09:35AM
Are you still boycotting shopping locally, rdoctor or have you cut out shopping altogether, because you won't don a mask?
Looting keeps being referenced in several threads, maybe I should watch more news, but I though it was a couple instances early on at the start of the protests.
Is looting still taking place?
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MtMan, Sun Jun 21 2020, 01:04PM
Couple of instances? Really? Here is a short list of cities that have been looted: New York City, Minneapolis, Bostin, Portland, Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Albuquerque, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington DC, and so many more, yet you call it "a couple instances". Don't forget currently in Seattle. Yes, maybe you should watch more news.
Sheesh.
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cricket, Sun Jun 21 2020, 04:07PM
You can add to that list San Bernardino, Highland , and Redlands. Two weeks ago they decimated the Verizon and ATT store down the hill and had to board up and close the Wal-Mart. All at the bottom of the hill.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 21 2020, 04:49PM
(Where is this 'Bostin'? j/k)
I totally admitted to NOT watching the news much. And I did ask is looting still going on...
Why would you need to rip into me like I'm stupid? Back off spaz.
Sheesh yo'self and thank you for the enlightenment. Some of us work 10-16 hour days so we don't have to call a contractor or go to a mechanic. It was a fair question I had.
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MtMan, Sun Jun 21 2020, 10:06PM
I pointed out the error of your statement that only a couple of instances of looting took place. Yes, you were wrong, I did not rip into you, again simply pointing out that you were wrong. If you can't take anyone pointing out your error then maybe you should check your facts first before posting untruths. By the way, you were not asking a question on that point of "a couple of instances". You made a statement without any factual basis. Oh, thanks for the name calling, I can take it for sure but I won't be stoop down to your level by calling you immature names. You are welcome for the enlightenment.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 21 2020, 10:21PM
I should have been more clear. A couple locally. I knew it was happening across the US & world.
Is looting still taking place?
Was the original question. Not protests or dropping down statues.
So all those cities you both listed are still being looted? I didn't ask for the 2 dozen from mostly 2 weeks ago.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 21 2020, 10:30PM
So did you answer the simple question or dramatize it? Has the looting slowed down, almost stopped? Everything I Google has older dates...
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MtMan, Sun Jun 21 2020, 11:18PM
Again, I was commenting on your ridiculous statement that there was only a couple of looting instances. I was not responding to your question of looting still going on. Was I not clear enough for you, do I need to continue to explain this to you?
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Squatch, Mon Jun 22 2020, 08:53AM
Guys, let`s pool our energy and direct it at all of the b.s. decisions and mandates we`re being put through, not each other...
We`ve got to work together to try and save what`s left of the way of life we know, if we fail the consequences are catastrophic!
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Jun 22 2020, 10:31AM
I've already admitted to the word couple, was too broad a generalization. Human nature. Should have used 'few' & 'locally'.
It was a simple question that was at hand.
Nobody on this forum needs to be subject to this, ridicule, all the while a main question goes unanswered.
Stay on topic.
Why couldn't MtnMan just state: COUPLE? about 2 dozen worldwide. I'd claim error, like I did. I touched/defended on my unfounded/opinionated word. We don't need to be subjected to some drawn out, off-topic bs.
The 1st sign of attack is to discredit.
Then to steer away from the subject matter
Next is to repeat yourself and finally speak as one would to a child.
I've found my answer, googling. Thx for the headache.
Call it amends? Drop it? You were correct. But the level you took it to, was a waste of energy.
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Squatch, Mon Jun 22 2020, 07:05PM
WOW, looks like someone forgot to take their meds today!
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Airport Razz, Mon Jun 22 2020, 08:37PM
I'm wondering if there is a breakdown or a study or just numbers about those that have both begen infected with CV19 and those that have died from it. I would imagine the bulk would be first line medical workers but it would be interesting to find out what other types of people and professions have been affected by it.
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Deb Doodah, Mon Jun 22 2020, 08:58PM
Hey Razz - I have found the website below has a lot of information regarding COVID cases throughout the world. It can be whittled down to the state and county and then links to county websites. Your post made me think that they might have a breakdown by occupation, but they don’t.
[Click Here]
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 23 2020, 03:08PM
649 new cases today.
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ArchJohn, Tue Jun 23 2020, 03:27PM
The death rate on the County website shows it to be leveling off, and the time to double is slowly increasing so potentially good news there.
[Click Here]
John
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 23 2020, 03:54PM
Oh yeah, the outlook is just peaches.
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rsbruce, Tue Jun 23 2020, 07:23PM
This was probably answered before but I missed it
In there a way to see in the county stats the following:
How many viral tests conducted versus how many pos and neg?
How many antibody tests conducted versus how many pos and neg?
I am sorry to poke again on this, but I have not seen that breakdown.
This breakdown is important to me to identify the impact on the community since I am now "out" in the community and dealing with mask-less peeps.
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 24 2020, 07:09AM
Are the hard headed ready to wear masks yet ?
Can't believe a virus has turned into a political issue, United States ?? Sad.
Just so you all know, I'm a socialist. Responsible Anarchy of the Social States of America.
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jun 24 2020, 10:29AM
Head over to the Political Forum....
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Nature, Wed Jun 24 2020, 10:46AM
Quantum.
No they are called hard headed for a reason. If all this were BS, the scientists of the world wouldn’t be reporting otherwise. I respect these scientists as their job is to try to help keep people safe. Wearing a cloth mask is considerate and respectful to others. N-95 masks are proven to keep people safe from those who refuse to participate in scientifically proven methods of preventing transmission to the more vulnerable population. Almost everyone is out and about doing daily necessities. Non-mask wearers should at least have the decency to respect the space of mask wearers. I’m learning, personally, some can’t even do that. Once again “our” country is divided. It’s okay to agree to disagree and still work together.
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Squatch, Wed Jun 24 2020, 11:28AM
After practically predicting "the end of the world" the scientists have FLIP FLOPPED so many times on this and the fact that the world didn`t end (didn`t even come remotely close to their predictions) and numbers based on hugely flawed data, yeah, many of us call b.s.
If you research the facts behind the numbers (correction facilities, nursing homes, etc) instead of regurgitating just numbers you would have a true understanding of whats really going on!
Yes the numbers are up, one would expect this with the huge increase in testing but again, look behind the numbers for the true picture.
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jun 24 2020, 01:21PM
Psssst most "scientists" get additional funding when there is a pandemic. Wonder what their motivation is...
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Airport Razz, Wed Jun 24 2020, 01:44PM
Also keep in mind that these are the same 'scientists' that keep telling us that eggs and coffee are bad one year and next year all is good, pig out and drink your sleepy time away. If they can't get something so simple, mundane and part of pretty much everyone's life right by at least the 3rd time, how can we trust them on these issues? Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Each to their own. But if on the side of non-mask, don't go walking into a place that requires such and make a spectacle of must how much of a 'putz' one can be when exercising one's 'rights'. I recall a video of an elderly man pushing his way into a WalMart yesterday, probably injuring himself in the process......to what end. He got to go through the store at one point, people shunning him with more than 6ft SD, and get whatever it was that was so important but they wouldn't check him out with the stuff so he ended up with nothing in the end, but his rant has been etched into millions of lives now. He told the manager he was leaving with the stuff if they woudn't check him out and answer was go ahead. The police wont enforce the mask ruling but they will certainly enforce a shoplifing charge. He went out empty handed. Not like they were asking him to put on a hazmat suit, walk through a decontamination station and still only be able to walk out with 1 package of TP. It's only a mask for a few minutes. Of course, those non-maskers are welcome to not enter the place of business I am quite sure. Keep looking, there are business owners of the same mind set out there that will be happy to help the non-mask group. Just not sure which group is on the 'winning' side at this point??
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SSJ2012, Wed Jun 24 2020, 02:55PM
So, I’ve had the same doctor for over 10years, he’s partnered with 2 other doctors in practice and employees 4 nurse practitioners. 20 people I know use the practice. Personally, I listen to my doctor over any so called media experts, politicians and/or internet wisemen.
They called to warned me back in March, I’m considered an at risk person, advised us how we should take precautions which contradict a few government recommendations. My last appointment, I asked about 4th of July, was told to have fun, but use common sense, since people still don’t know how to wash their hands.
Personally I won’t wear a mask, so I don’t go out, don’t need to plus I hate crowds. We get take out, phone order building supplies from butcher’s for delivery, wife does Costco runs, daughter goes to market.
What I’m getting at everyone is right and wrong. Federally, they couldn’t make a right turn together cause they’re so divided, so that’s a wash. California can’t run the DMV along with many other agencies, so how can I believe they know what they’re doing to handle this. County of San Bernardino only knows how to collect money, they’re clueless. Media uses “experts” like government uses consultants and they’re only in for the money.
So I depend on my doctor to recommend what’s best for my health just like I trust my mechanic to give recommendations on what best for car. Then it’s all up to me to choose to follow their recommendations.
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rdoctor, Fri Jun 26 2020, 05:16AM
Here's how COVID-19 numbers are being inflated in Riverside County and statewide. You're going to be talking about this video for quite some time. [Click Here]
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wisteria1, Fri Jun 26 2020, 06:48AM
RSBruce, "In there a way to see in the county stats the following:How many viral tests conducted versus how many pos and neg?How many antibody tests conducted versus how many pos and neg?"
At the bottom of the County Dashboard is a row of tiny subsections like "demographics" and "testing" etc. You will find your info there.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 26 2020, 12:25PM
Riverside County coronavirus hospitalizations drop for 2nd straight day; 237 cases added
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Riverside County hospitalizations from the novel coronavirus fell for the second straight day as 237 new cases and three more deaths were posted Thursday, June 25, on the county public health website.
In a sign of improvement, the county Thursday afternoon no longer exceeded a state threshold for COVID-19 hospitalizations. The county remains on the state’s coronavirus watch list and exceeds state thresholds for coronavirus cases per 100,000 residents and the percent of COVID-19 tests that come back positive.
Countywide, there are now 15,142 cases and 435 COVID-19 deaths. The weekday public health updates typically include diagnoses and deaths that happened over a span of days and it takes time for that information to reach the public health department.
Hospitalizations fell by three from Wednesday to 311, with 95 of those patients in intensive care, up three from the day before. The county set new highs in hospitalizations for four straight days, a streak that started last week.
Ten COVID-19 patients hospitalized in Riverside County are from Imperial County, which sends patients north under a statewide mutual-aid agreement for emergency services. The Imperial County patients are not counted among the county’s case totals.
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Officially, 7,272 in Riverside County have recovered from the virus, up 1.6% from Wednesday. Official recoveries are defined as infected residents who are no longer in isolation, show no symptoms and have had their public health cases closed.
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QuantumBear, Fri Jun 26 2020, 03:02PM
512 new cases today total.
Hospital census continues it's climb.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 26 2020, 06:01PM
26-Jun
big bear city 3
big bear lake 8
crestline 19
rim ofrest 1
runnig springs 6
11290
19.3days
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 26 2020, 08:23PM
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 19
(23.6 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, June 26
Rimforest
(Population 762)
Confirmed cases: 1
(13.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, June 26
Blue Jay
(Population 903)
Confirmed cases: 0
(0.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 1
(11.07 per 10,000 residen
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 6
(12.8 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 8
(15.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 resident
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 3
(2.8 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, June 26
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 19
(23.6 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, June 26
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QuantumBear, Sun Jun 28 2020, 08:29AM
County dashboard.
Last Update: 6/26/2020, 12:00:00 AM
Next update should be juicy.
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Jellylorum, Sun Jun 28 2020, 09:33AM
The SBCO Covid-19 Hospitalization chart was last updated at 12:00 am on 6-23-20. That day's data was what had Arrowhead Hospital's Dr. Pennington concerned during the press conference a few days ago. I wonder what might be revealed once they release updated stats for that measurement.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jun 29 2020, 05:14AM
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 4
(3.7 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Sunday, June 28
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 8
(15.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Sunday, June 28
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 6
(12.8 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Sunday, June 28
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Squatch, Mon Jun 29 2020, 09:52AM
Again, the numbers don`t reflect the true facts...
example: BBL pop 5,247 shows 8 cases (15.2 per 10k) due to the fact that many, many part timers are living up here right now, not to mention renters, the point being the actual average case per 10k???? NOT!
8 cases divided by 5247 =.0015%
The REAL AVERAGE is a blip on the radar compared to what`s being reported!!!! Our view is of the south shore in BBL, every night the shoreline is lit up like it`s a holiday weekend, hmmmm, do the "numbers mention any of this? No!
Btw, zero deaths in Big Bear Valley, so scary!
As one can see, the data is unreliable and reflects hugely exaggerated numbers, hey how about the spikes in San Diego, Riverside, San Berdo due to a major influx of cases from Mexico! The numbers don`t tell you that either!
The moral of the story, regurgitating numbers without researching and including the facts is adding to the hype and is hugely inaccurate!
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Airport Razz, Mon Jun 29 2020, 10:08AM
so is the problem with the bean counters, the beans that are being counted, or or are other things being counted in with the beans??
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ButlerPeakFire, Mon Jun 29 2020, 10:58AM
Also kinda interesting that while the COVID numbers go up ALL other causes of death are seeing drastic declines....seems fishy.
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NShore.Allen, Mon Jun 29 2020, 01:45PM
If a patient was admitted to the hospital suffering from a heart attack/stroke, etc. and the patient tests positive for COVID-19, they get listed as "hospitalized with COVID-19". Not entirely accurate but not untrue.
Unless there is a record that clarifies the true reason for the visit and treatment, the statistics will be misleading.
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MrOwl, Mon Jun 29 2020, 01:54PM
They need to separate the died "from Covid" or "with Covid". False statistics are not helpful.
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SSJ2012, Mon Jun 29 2020, 02:02PM
Here’s what I want the government numbers to show,
A) when they tested
B) number of active cases
C) percentage of those who test positive showing symptoms and aren’t showing symptoms
On June 23, a large portion of the increase in numbers was a backlog, and the fact many people are now getting test who show no symptoms. Personally the testing process ran by health departments is a huge joke. Big Bear doesn’t have a regular testing site that I know of, and some residents don’t have the means to travel to off mountain facilities.
On a joking side, if we rename the 4th of July Firework show to the 4th of July Protests, we should get the governor’s blessing and everyone will be safe from virus.
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ButlerPeakFire, Mon Jun 29 2020, 02:21PM
Again alot of hospitals seem to be doing this due to the financial kick backs as well....
I agree with Owl... They need to separate the numbers, otherwise we are getting a completely inaccurate view of the situation.
Additionally, from my own personal experience with my Grandfather, if someone tests positive for COVID but dies from another cause they still call it a COVID death. This is a gross misrepresentation of the actual Infected Fatality Rate of this virus...(which is still way below .05%)
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Nature, Mon Jun 29 2020, 03:52PM
So many people want none of this to be true. They want to find every way possible to negate the facts. If you get shot and bleed out you don’t die because your heart stopped due to lack of blood. You die because you were shot. If your house is on fire and your lungs fill up the smoke and you can’t breathe, you don’t die because your lungs gave out, you die because of the fire. People have strokes due to traumatic accidents. They don’t die because of the stroke they die because of the accident. None of those people had pre-existing conditions. When a pre-existing conditions, that can kill you, is made 100% worse because of a virus, you don’t die from that pre-existing condition, you die because you got the virus. Otherwise you would still be alive. The fact is anyone with and even without a pre-existing condition can get this virus and die or give it to someone who “can” die from it. Take away death. The hospital bill alone might kill you. One bill that was brought to out attention was 1.1 Million dollars from a few weeks stay. I wouldn’t want the virus or the bill. So what about all this back-and-forth how about we just be considerate of others by doing what all the doctors, public officials and scientists are “asking” us to do to save lives , across the entire globe, until we have a vaccine or know, via testing, we have already had it.
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NShore.Allen, Mon Jun 29 2020, 05:00PM
yep.
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Squatch, Mon Jun 29 2020, 05:04PM
Nature, THE TRUTH is what many of us are demanding, NOT BOGUS NUMBERS based on crap data!
You can believe what you want to believe despite all of the examples we have brought to light that are contrary to the "reported numbers!"
The problem is, bad decisions that affect our daily lives are being made based on flip flopping medical experts and "flawed numbers!"
Another point, the health officials are suggesting not to open up the country until a vaccine is developed, current flu vaccines are only about 40% effective, at the most!
Big Bear "Valley" has 12 reported cases, NO DEATHS despite a large previous holiday and higher than average visitors ever since.
The number of deaths falsely attributed to covid are unacceptable, these false reports have completely corrupted the data pool, again the facts behind the numbers matter!!!!
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MrOwl, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:17PM
Still waiting for the mers and sars vaccines so I can get out of the house.
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QuantumBear, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:33PM
Keep talking.
Update #78
COVID-19 Emergency
June 29, 2020 - 6:00 pm
2 New Cases Reported in Unincorporated Areas
City Has Not Yet Received Aggregate Test Result Data from June 19 Testing Event
City Closely Monitoring County Hospitalization Data
Governor Recommends Closure of Bars in San Bernardino County, Decision Expected from County on Tuesday
PLEASE WEAR YOUR FACE COVERINGS!
Keep Us OPEN!
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Polar 🌌rbit, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:51PM
Get over it. People are done with statistics,
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Cornbread, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:52PM
Here is a article from Ron Paul on how the media is lying about the 2nd wave.
For months, the Washington Post and the rest of the mainstream media kept a morbid Covid-19 “death count” on their front pages and at the top of their news broadcasts. The coronavirus outbreak was all about the number of dead. The narrative was intended to boost governors like Cuomo in New York and Whitmer in Michigan, who turned their states authoritarian under the false notion that destroying people’s jobs, freedom, and lives would somehow keep a virus from doing what viruses always do: spread through a population until eventually losing strength and dying out.
The “death count” was always the headline.
But then all of a sudden early in June the mainstream media did a George Orwell and lectured us that it is all about “cases” and has always been all about “cases.” Death, and especially infection fatality rate, were irrelevant. Why? Because from the peak in April, deaths had decreased by 90 percent and were continuing to crash. That was not terrifying enough so the media pretended this good news did not exist.
With massive increases in testing, the “case” numbers climbed. This is not rocket science: the more people you test the more “cases” you discover.
Unfortunately our mainstream media is only interested in pushing the “party line.” So the good news that millions more have been exposed while the fatality rate continues to decline - meaning the virus is getting weaker - is buried under hysterical false reporting of “new cases.”
Unfortunately many governors, including our own here in Texas, are incapable of resisting the endless lies of the mainstream media. They are putting Americans again through the nightmare of forced business closures, mandated face masks, and restrictions of Constitutional liberties based on false propaganda.
In Texas the “second wave” propaganda has gotten so bad that the leaders of the four major hospitals in Houston took the extraordinary step late last week of holding a joint press conference to clarify that the scare stories of Houston hospitals being overwhelmed with Covid cases are simply untrue. Dr. Marc Boom of Houston Methodist said the reporting on hospital capacity is misleading. He said, “quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now.”
In fact, there has been much reporting that the “spike” in Texas cases is not due to a resurgence of the virus but to hospital practices of Covid-testing every patient coming in for any procedure at all. If it’s a positive, well that counts as a “Covid hospitalization.” Why would hospitals be so dishonest in their diagnoses? Billions of appropriated Federal dollars are being funneled to facilities based on the number of “Covid cases” they can produce. As I’ve always said, if you subsidize something you get more of it. And that’s why we are getting more Covid cases.
Let’s go back to the original measurements used to scare Americans into giving up their Constitutional liberties: the daily death numbers. Even though we know hospitals have falsely attributed countless deaths to “Covid-19” that were deaths WITH instead of FROM the virus, we are seeing actual deaths steadily declining over the past month and a half. Declining deaths are not a great way to push the “second wave” propaganda, so the media and politicians have moved the goal posts and decided that only “cases” are important. It’s another big lie.
Resist propaganda and defend your liberty. That is the only way we’ll get through this.
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Airport Razz, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:55PM
OK, administrators still a tad touchy. I'll try posing my questions here.
Ok, local count has risen again. What I would like to know is what profession are these current victims are in, were they infected up here are down the hill, are they out in the masses on the weekend. Just WHAT should we be avoiding and staying away from other than everything and everybody. Would be nice to know before I or my guys go waking into another repair job. Thought that was a fairly non political, non-critical, just want to know question. I'll go back in my hole seeing as this is just TOO much for some to read.
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Jun 29 2020, 08:55PM
A lot seem to think it's a media hoax. Just do your normal preps man.
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Nature, Mon Jun 29 2020, 09:27PM
Mr Owl-Funny! 🤣
Airport-I agree! Where did the infected get it?
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Airport Razz, Mon Jun 29 2020, 10:23PM
Thinking that with the number of people I poked with my original post and thar it disappeared into nothingness, there is an outside chance that the powers that be might not want that info made public. Like what if last 2-3 infections were locals and was exposed by........ Yes, I'm going to say it..... One of the down the hill crowd that is now allowed up here with 'open' arms even though the valley is not prepared for it. That would imply responsibility by the powers that be and that person might be well intended to hire one of the virus ambulance chasers on TV and go after those powers that be for endangering those peoples lives. Hmmmmmmm. I've seen lesser actions dictate millions in legal settlementd.
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Airport Razz, Mon Jun 29 2020, 10:26PM
Or they got it through one of the businesses currently not putting their 'best' foot forward
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jun 30 2020, 06:55AM
The Valley picked up another 1 covid case now at 13 Confirmed cases around us.
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 5
(4.6 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 8
(15.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 20
(24.9 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Blue Jay
(Population 903)
Confirmed cases: 0
(0.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 1
(11.07 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Rimforest
(Population 762)
Confirmed cases: 1
(13.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 7
(15.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 07:03AM
Keep talking.
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 07:14AM
Duder, this is still the first wave.
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Squatch, Tue Jun 30 2020, 08:07AM
1 new case, oh the calamity, the world is going to end!!!
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jun 30 2020, 09:20AM
Yes Razz the area of infections would be nice to know and avoid. These are probably the wake from the Memorial Day Blast off
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jun 30 2020, 10:33AM
June 29, 2020 - 6:00 pm
2 New Cases Reported in Unincorporated Areas
City Has Not Yet Received Aggregate Test Result Data from June 19 Testing Event
City Closely Monitoring County Hospitalization Data
Governor Recommends Closure of Bars in San Bernardino County, Decision Expected from County on Tuesday
PLEASE WEAR YOUR FACE COVERINGS!
Keep Us OPEN!
FREE COVID-19 Testing Readily Available in San Bernardino County - No Symptoms Required
July 4 Fireworks Show is Still On
Personal Fireworks Are Illegal!
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 02:52PM
Big Bear City* 6
Big Bear Lake 9
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 02:56PM
Did you see today's dashboard update ?
[Click Here]
Didn't some idiot use the term fuzzy math ?
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 04:06PM
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cricket, Tue Jun 30 2020, 04:42PM
It certainly may end for that person and anyone they infected before they knew they were sick. You really shouldnt joke about things like this.
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Jellylorum, Tue Jun 30 2020, 06:21PM
The numbers to really pay attention to, are the daily Covid hospitalizations and daily Covid ICU numbers. They are significantly higher than ever before, and rising notably. The desktop version of the dashboard has graphs and much more data than is available on the mobile version.
[Click Here]
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Squatch, Tue Jun 30 2020, 08:26PM
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 09:31PM
OH YEAH !
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Socalman, Tue Jun 30 2020, 10:01PM
I originally posted the following in chat, but thought it should be here.
So, let me see if I understand. Of the 211 people tested, LESS than 1% tested positive for covid-19. Based on that, the county is considering banning the fireworks show? What if we were to test 200 drivers after 9:00 pm on any given night and we found even 2% were DUI. Would it make sense to ban all driving after 9:00 pm?
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jul 01 2020, 06:30AM
I saw a video of a nurse claiming they are using the life flight helicopters to transport illegal immigrants from southern hospitals to Riverside....all during the middle of the night
Seems pretty odd to me.
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wisteria1, Wed Jul 01 2020, 06:46AM
Just a quick FYI (and answer to a question I posed a few weeks ago), I finally read one of the press releases and for whatever reason they appear to be including everyone from Green Valley Lake (including Arrowhead) to Cedarpines Park as "Crestline" (which skews the population in these computations closer to 25,000, not 8042)
"Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 20
(24.9 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29"
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QuantumBear, Wed Jul 01 2020, 07:01AM
Is the valve of human life determined by what country one was born in ?
We're American's with lots of resources.
Don't fire up the chopper, just let them die.
Labor and fuel is more valuable.
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Hooky Bobber, Wed Jul 01 2020, 07:21AM
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 21
(26.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Blue Jay
(Population 903)
Confirmed cases: 0
(0.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 1
(11.07 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Rimforest
(Population 762)
Confirmed cases: 1
(13.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 7
(15.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 9
(17.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 6
(5.5 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
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Hooky Bobber, Wed Jul 01 2020, 07:26AM
[Click Here]
Deaths by Location of Residence The total number of deaths from COVID-19 complications, broken down by the reported location or residence of the patient. Please note that residents of facilities where outbreaks have occurred are reported as residents of the location where the facilities are located.
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Squatch, Wed Jul 01 2020, 08:38AM
DIVERSIONARY TACTIC DENIED!
Your post is completely out of context, the subject is what is causing the spikes of covid in our county!!!!
If the cases are not local then they should NOT be included in the numbers for our county as this greatly skews/pumps the up the numbers! This causes people like yourself to perpetuate the HYPE based on this flawed data!
This type of SPIN is exactly why "the facts" matter so much, misrepresentation of the truth is running rampant!
Btw, I never said any of the above, more spin and hype as usual!!!
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jul 01 2020, 10:16AM
You are so incredibly concerned with the spread of the virus, but you are OK with importing it from other countries now? Makes alot of sense...
Also with CA begging for Federal Aid.... I'm not sure what abundant resources you are talking about.
Socialists....always with their hands in other peoples pockets. Disgusting.
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Deb Doodah, Wed Jul 01 2020, 12:55PM
Guys - I am respectfully requesting AGAIN - keep the politics out of this thread.
As we have been witnessing for the last several months, not everyone agrees on the situation and how to handle it. Everyone has their own opinion and opinions are like ........., everyone has one. You are not going to change someones opinion or view of the situation by calling names and being angry.
This used to be a place I would come to have some fun, share my love for the Big Bear area, and get important information. I love my friends that I have made here on SCM but I find myself avoiding it more and more because of all the anger. I miss the fun we used to share here.
Of course, I love an occasional debate, but this is the same debate that just keeps getting nastier and nastier as the days go on. Please think before you let your fingers fly across that keyboard in an angry tirade or in an effort to bully someone into see the world through your window. No matter what our individual opinions we are still a community of people that love Big Bear!
Have a great day everyone!
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Jellylorum, Wed Jul 01 2020, 02:43PM
Yes, people from the border areas of Imperial and San Diego counties are being sent north for treatment. However, I haven't seen anything yet that breaks down who is and isn't a citizen.
Those areas have a lot of movement back and forth over the border. You also have a large number of migrant wokers working on the farms down there. (I lived in El Centro for awhile. Hated it.) In the Calexico/Mexicali area, American citizens live on both sides of the border. A good many people, American and Mexican, work and shop in one country, and live in a different country.
Our own county has similar issues with people in Needles and Baker going into Nevada and Arizona for medical care and shopping. (I also was one of those, when I lived in Shoshone, just north of the countyline.)
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Squatch, Wed Jul 01 2020, 03:19PM
Deb Doodah, I get what you are saying but there is a double standard going on here!
If you`re going to chastise Butler and I let`s be fair about it and call out others from the other side of the debate,
it`s only fair!
Why is it ok for some to go way off topic and insinuate others don`t value human life (just one example,) that was totally uncalled for and again wasn`t even on topic!
I do my best to stay on topic (no one`s perfect) and clearly I and others feel the "back story" is very critical to properly understanding the data/numbers...
Regurgitating numbers and schooling others without first doing due diligence is irresponsible!
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Deb Doodah, Wed Jul 01 2020, 03:24PM
I did not call anyone out specifically! All of my comments were in general to the whole group. Everyone is getting bent out of shape no matter what side of the fence they are standing on.
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KK, Wed Jul 01 2020, 04:16PM
Let’s go back to nakid Bar B Qing! 😘
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Dave™, Wed Jul 01 2020, 04:17PM
Who was that, KK? My memory is slipping...
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Dave™, Wed Jul 01 2020, 04:20PM
I just remembered. Snowave. Right?
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Deb Doodah, Wed Jul 01 2020, 04:26PM
Yep! He was a lot of fun.
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KK, Wed Jul 01 2020, 05:05PM
Yep! Good job Dave!🍻
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rdoctor, Wed Jul 01 2020, 05:43PM
There is no COVID-19 second wave. The data supporting this claim is located here: [Click Here]
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cricket, Wed Jul 01 2020, 07:10PM
Remember coco aka cocopuffs?
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Dave™, Wed Jul 01 2020, 08:25PM
The one I still miss a lot is @llen. He loved Big Bear so much and especially his LoriAnn.
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doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 01 2020, 09:39PM
We have our own first-hand COVID-19 positive relative, her brother that has been in the hospital for 3 days so far and did self-quarantine 3 days prior being admitted. A non-smoker. If he had the 'flu', he'd be at home taking over the counter meds. Location is Huntington Beach, not in our valley.
Not meaning to debate or get anybody angry, but he was an avid believer of all this being a media hoax. This virus can infect anyone. Just be careful folks.
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Deb Doodah, Thu Jul 02 2020, 06:20AM
I'm sorry Doo-hickey - I hope your family member gets well quickly.
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KK, Thu Jul 02 2020, 06:22AM
Who could forget Cocopuffs? 😀
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KK, Thu Jul 02 2020, 06:24AM
So sorry Doo-hickey. Hope he recovers soon!
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:06AM
Start of July 2020 accumulation of 14 in the valley
Bear City 6, Bear Lake 8, Crestline 21, Rimforest 1, Running Springs 7,
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 02 2020, 10:09AM
Thx for the wishes. They are going to start one of the experimental meds. The nurses were real hush-hush and waiting for the doctor to contact to get back to us. Pneumonia was already diagnosed. So not in Intensive Care or a ventilator, Oxygen and I.V. so far.
EDIT: They are releasing him with no O² needed, we are picking up a SoClean 2 CPAP cleaner machine and some in-home care. His girlfriend has also tested positive for C-19, being treated and self-isolating. WTH? They cannot release him unless he's 'clear' for doing so. Good news I guess, pneumonia clearing up and being treated, on his birthday 🎂 no less. Wild stuff.
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Benny ⭐, Thu Jul 02 2020, 04:39PM
Ahhh yes, the good ole days. Life was much simpler even just 15 years ago!
As a side note, I do communicate with cocopuffs regularly, he is doing great and sends his love!
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Benny ⭐, Thu Jul 02 2020, 04:41PM
Thanks for le update! I think there's just 4 active cases in the valley at this time? Glad to see our numbers locally coming down overall. Hopefully no spike after the 4th, we saw nothing after the big Memorial weekend, less pray for the same this weekend! Everyone be ready for the madness, hope you did your shopping and topped off those tanks!
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SSJ2012, Thu Jul 02 2020, 04:56PM
Putting up decorations now that we’re stocked up. Only plan to go out Saturday morning to deliver thank you items. Other then that, we just going have small bbq. I also Discovered, if I flip the bulbs on my LED Xmas lights, I can make them red, white and blue. So I’m gonna put a little light show on for my daughter. Might be able to see from hwy 38
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Socalman, Thu Jul 02 2020, 05:57PM
Something interesting I heard today on the radio. A Dr. (I believe her name is Dr. Kelly Victory) was speaking and stated this to be fact. I don't know, just repeating what I heard.
Someone may be asymptomatic but is tested because it is required for work. His test comes back positive. That is reported as a new case. A week later the same person, still aymptomatic, gets tested again so he may return to work but it comes back positive. That is reported as a new case. A few weeks he tests again and once more is reported positive. That is reported as a new case.
In this instance the same person was reported three times as a new case. According to the doctor, this has happened hundreds, perhaps a thousand times just in Los Angeles County.
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Socalman, Thu Jul 02 2020, 05:58PM
By the way, I miss @llen and Judee, to say nothing of Bill's Grandson!
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MtMan, Thu Jul 02 2020, 06:07PM
The legend, Bill's Grandson...
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Dave™, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:15PM
Oh, yes!
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:16PM
Yes this is common practice and has been happening for sometime now...Another reason the numbers being reported are entirely incorrect.
Coming from an engineering background, this complete lack of consistency and structure regarding keeping the numbers accurate is infuriating.
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QuantumBear, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:20PM
Now explain away the hospital census.
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Squatch, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:37PM
Helloooo... that`s the point, the what and where behind the increase, try something different for a change, actually do some research and fact checking before making your cute little come backs... you might LEARN SOMETHING beyond just quoting numbers!
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QuantumBear, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:40PM
Look at the county dashboard.
[Click Here]
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Squatch, Thu Jul 02 2020, 08:06PM
Never mind, you just don`t get it!
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Dave™, Thu Jul 02 2020, 08:27PM
Do the number of deaths matter at all? We're playing in the weeds and forgetting the finality for many people.
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Squatch, Thu Jul 02 2020, 08:54PM
Absolutely the deaths matter, never indicated otherwise!
Speaking of which, how do you explain that the "numbers are spiking" yet the death rates are so disproportionately low ? Once again, when something doesn`t line up, this sends a major flag, do the homework and fact checking to find out why!!!!
What you find out will surprise you!
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Dave™, Thu Jul 02 2020, 09:03PM
Keep in mind the death count will lag everything else.
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BillyJean, Thu Jul 02 2020, 09:41PM
Excellent point Dave, ADM, All Death's Matter! That's the worst part of all this....
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SSJ2012, Thu Jul 02 2020, 09:43PM
There’s a few things I learned about our health care system, one is available hospital beds have slowly been dropping since the 1970s, a lot of that reasoning was behind advancement in medicine. But this virus has clearly shown, we are not ready for the extreme likely what if’s, for instance the big one. Luckily in case like a natural disaster, emergency care is only overwhelmed at local level and the rest of the nation kicks in, much like hurricanes. Here we’re faced with a serious but not completely extreme virus that if it infected say 20-40% of the population, our health care system would be overwhelmed. It didn’t hit me as real issue until my friend and his wife got sick, while she was sick for a week, he was down for 4 1/2 weeks. No Pre existing conditions, except now his blood pressure is higher since he’s recovered. While he flat out refused to be hospitalized in fear of being put on a ventilator. It’s something he wouldn’t wish on worst enemy. Now he is going to a local university bi-weekly to be studied.
This isn’t a doomsday virus, but it’s enough to crash the system if unchecked. Problem is, there was no playbook on virus of this type, China wasn’t the most open in beginning, so I understand why doctors and scientists are bouncing all overall. But I do feel we missed a lot opportunities in beginning by the side shows the media was putting out. I’m sure there are definitely better ways we can address this pandemic in ways that don’t shut the economy down without having to get into a social media war.
Luckily the virus hasn’t hit home, but it’s hit close enough I know it’s real. But like I’ve always said, I’ll listen to my doctor long before I’d ever listen to social media/mainstream media expert. My advice to everyone is do the same, and if you don’t like your doctor, find another one. Going to the internet for medical advice, will convince you have cancer. Arguing your point on social media is pretty much like arguing at wall telling it to move. And chances are high, you’re arguing with someone sitting in basement in the underwear.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 02 2020, 10:21PM
Who forgot their meds this time?
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Well, our relative made it home today to enjoy his own bed, best bday present eva for him. 4 days in the hospital, they worked the pneumonia to a release level. Still C-19 but at least him and his girlfriend (also positive) can Netflix the days away.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 03 2020, 06:42AM
How did we drift off to Nick? from the virus
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 03 2020, 08:26AM
Nicely put SSJ2012!
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 03 2020, 01:26PM
Yes the number of deaths matter....this is the reason for shutdown. We don't shutdown the world because of the cold because not that many people die from it in comparison to the overall global population.
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 03 2020, 01:27PM
Eeeek swing and a miss Quantum....
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 03 2020, 05:43PM
Here is terror Bear Valley Community Hospital
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 03 2020, 05:50PM
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 05:56AM
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 05:59AM
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 22
(27.4 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, July
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 8
(17.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, July 3
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 9
(17.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, July 3
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 6
(5.5 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, July 3
Map
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 06:36AM
Health
How much of the coronavirus does it take to make you sick? The science, explained
By Alex Hogan @hoganalex
April 14, 2020 Reprints
INFECTIOUS DOSE STILL
Alex Hogan/STAT
Infectious respiratory diseases spread when a healthy person comes in contact with virus particles expelled by someone who is sick — usually through a cough or sneeze. The amount of particles a person is exposed to can affect how likely they are to become infected and, once infected, how severe the symptoms become.
The amount of virus necessary to make a person sick is called the infectious dose. Viruses with low infectious doses are especially contagious in populations without significant immunity.
The minimum infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is unknown so far, but researchers suspect it is low. “The virus is spread through very, very casual interpersonal contact,” W. David Hardy, a professor of infectious disease at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, told STAT.
Alex Hogan/STAT
A high infectious dose may lead to a higher viral load, which can impact the severity of Covid-19 symptoms.
Viral load is a measure of virus particles. It is the amount of virus present once a person has been infected and the virus has had time to replicate in their cells. With most viruses, higher viral loads are associated with worse outcomes.
“The more viral particles that get into the lungs, the more damage to the lungs that is probably happening,” said Hardy.
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One study of Covid-19 patients in China found that those with more severe symptoms tended to have higher viral loads.
“It’s not proven, but it would make sense that higher inoculating doses will lead to higher viral loads, and higher viral loads would translate into more pathogenic clinical courses,” said Dan Barouch, director of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.
Alex Hogan/STAT
People with higher viral loads may also shed more whole viruses, which makes them more contagious, compounding the danger of spreading disease more widely.
If exposure to higher doses, or even frequent low doses, of SARS-CoV-2 does lead to worse health outcomes, there are significant implications for health care workers who are routinely exposed to Covid-19 patients.
“Someone caring for large numbers of patients on the wards, if they’re not wearing PPE [personal protective equipment], there might be a high frequency of exposure as well as a high dose of exposure,” Barouch said.
In Italy, a country particularly hard-hit by the virus, about 9% of reported cases were health care workers. Here in the U.S., 10% of Covid-19 cases in California were health care workers, according to the California Department of Public Health.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 06:44AM
Some hotels are using UVC light to kill the Virus. Earth atmosphere blocks most of the UVC rays. Now China has been blowing up with all types of crap virus, could it be from air pollution blocking UV? No fact here just thinking out loud!
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QuantumBear, Sat Jul 04 2020, 07:16AM
Richard Clay Travis is an American sports journalist, writer, television analyst, and media personality. He is the morning radio show host for nationwide Fox Sports Radio and appears on FS1's daily sports gambling show Lock It In.
A sportswriter, hardy qualified.
I listen to Dr. Fauci
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MrOwl, Sat Jul 04 2020, 08:13AM
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Richard Clay Travis is an American sports journalist, writer, television analyst, and media personality. He is the morning radio show host for nationwide Fox Sports Radio and appears on FS1's daily sports gambling show Lock It In.
A sportswriter, hardy qualified.
I listen to Dr. Fauci
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Fascinating.
Would that be the Dr Fauci that says don't wear a mask or the one who says wear a mask?
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 09:38AM
He could have a degree from Hooters sports bar and did understudy at the tilted kilt. Wonder what he thinks about Hot Wings from global warming
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 09:39AM
Fauci on masks
[Click Here]
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ButlerPeakFire, Sat Jul 04 2020, 10:10AM
Lol said it before I could Owl.
Regardless of what type of reporter he is...the numbers are still true...
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RH_Runner, Sat Jul 04 2020, 01:03PM
We have two UVC lights that we use in a room for packages, mail, etc. I can tell you that you sure do not want to even turn them on when you a in the room with them! Blinding! In any case, they are probably no more than a placebo like medical masks, but you never know!
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Polar 🌌rbit, Sat Jul 04 2020, 02:07PM
UVC goes from 100 to 280 nm wavelength. 100 nm is 4 times the energy of the fringe we get from the sun at around 400 nm.
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rdoctor, Sat Jul 04 2020, 02:42PM
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
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cricket, Sat Jul 04 2020, 04:23PM
Find another website then...and ,stay the heck home...wash your hands...wear a mask...i hope you enjoy your fireworks in Lancaster CA!
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Benny ⭐, Sat Jul 04 2020, 06:39PM
Which website? Assume you don't mean here on SCM. We only delete stuff that's vulgar or threatening. Unless you're in politics, then you're on your own.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jul 04 2020, 09:46PM
Click "view all posts" in your profile.
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ButlerPeakFire, Sat Jul 04 2020, 11:12PM
it's pretty much the wild west in the politics forum.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Jul 05 2020, 12:41AM
Yeah I agree, I think he's just getting lost in all the posts. So many active topics... Nobody has deleted anything here.
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Hooky Bobber, Wed Jul 08 2020, 09:31AM
Confirmed Cases
15,932
▲ 3.8% from previous day (15,345)
Recovered (Projected)
8,696
Doubling Time
19.8 Days
BBL11
BBC 7
crestline 23
running springs 9
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Squatch, Wed Jul 08 2020, 12:28PM
FYI - WE`RE OVER IT !
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jul 08 2020, 12:31PM
Death rate continues to drop...
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Deb Doodah, Wed Jul 08 2020, 12:31PM
I'm sorry Squatch - but I don't find this information being provided to be a problem. I appreciate that someone takes the time to share it.
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Cornbread, Wed Jul 08 2020, 02:43PM
It's being proven that masks may cause more harm than good. 1st wearing will reduce your oxygen levels. Normal pulse oximeter readings usually range from 95 to 100 percent. Values under 90 percent are considered low. People who wear their mask multiable hours a day are getting readings down to 80. Dr's are wearing mask's all day and they have to make life or death decisions (kinda scary). 2nd reason is that masks cause skin irritation and skin infections. For instance, my mom was just diagnosed with Impetigo. It is a very contagious skin infection that was caused from wearing a mask to much. She is a very clean person with good hygiene.
If masks really work, how come when you fart the smell can go through your underwear and pants? Fart gas particles are bigger than COVID particles and that goes through two "filters".
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Airport Razz, Wed Jul 08 2020, 03:11PM
Yeah, but if it's a wet fart do you really want to be sitting on the leather couch going commando 🎺. Short of a Haz-Mat suit I will gladly take the inconvenience of a mask and the little bit of assist it provides. Especially with the number of people out there that are insisting on sharing their personal spew. You know, those that think their short term 'needs' supercedes the long term needs of the many
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MtMan, Wed Jul 08 2020, 06:06PM
Kinda like surrounding yourself by with chain link fence against mosquitoes.
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Squatch, Wed Jul 08 2020, 07:46PM
Potatoe - potato !
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jul 08 2020, 10:13PM
CDC confirms 0.26% Infected Fatality Rate... [Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:21AM
I’m not bending the numbers they are what they are. I’m sorry that the infections continue to grow. Are these new numbers representing the actions from events from weeks back like Memorial Day?
I wonder what group or where the new infections are possibly being transmitted service industry, restaurants. The news says no infections during BLM but then ABC/GMA today reports the Trump Rally in Tulsa has caused a surge of cases.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:36AM
Yes recovery has improved. Treatments for the disease have improved some with only a 4 to 8 week stay in the hospital or three weeks at home in bed they are options. Blue Jay and Angles Oaks comminutes each had 1 case they got too zero but each have one death.
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MtMan, Thu Jul 09 2020, 10:11AM
Skyline, yes, the Wuhan flu only affects gatherings where Trump is involved and magically skips over any leftist gatherings. It's amazing.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 09 2020, 10:39AM
The chain link fence plan Mt Man seems to be what the schools are going to do to protect the teachers
Schools are scheduled to resume August 3rd. What will that be only a bit more than 3 weeks from now.
Bear Valley Unified School District
2020 they have 4 options plans none adapted on the web site for the return.
-
2021 options for Reopening School Plan
[Click Here]
Rim Schools Disrict
On July 6, 2020 the County of San Bernardino has restricted all youth and high school athletic programs from taking part in practice and conditioning activities. These restrictions also pertain to band practices. This effects our athletes and band students in Rim of the World Unified School District and all schools within San Bernardino County. We sincerely appreciate the efforts our coaches and band instructor have made to ensure the safety of our athletes and band students when county and state guidelines had, at the time, allowed them to participate in athletic and band programs.
When the county and state lift the restrictions, the Rim of the World Unified School District will update our parents, athletes and band students. We look forward to when our students can resume participating in their athletic and band programs.
If you have questions pertaining to the restrictions, you can contact the County of San Bernardino at (909) 387-3911.
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Cornbread, Thu Jul 09 2020, 01:56PM
It is a very smart virus. You can't get it at Walmart, Home Depot and the grocery stores, but they know you will get it if you wait in line to vote in Nov.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 09 2020, 01:59PM
And the only time you can get it protesting is when you are protesting the shutdown. BLM protests are immune to this virus....
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 03:47PM
The previous few posts are a stretch for being witty. Touch political and silly.
This wet fart comparison intrigues me. Let's take one sitting upon my face, bare bottomed: If I had the choice of wearing a mask or not, while the expelling was performed, be it wet or not, I'd put the mask on.
Now let's explore the chain link/mosquito comparison: It is already established the virus is transmitted via airborne and uses a vehicle. It is not as simple as the virus having a straight path out. Oxygen is only 2 atoms, the virus is 1000s of atoms in size. The virus has sticky appendages to attach to larger surfaces, it does not discriminate. Now take that mosquito (which can dodge obstacles at will) and blow some bubbles (breath moisture, sneeze, flem, etc) all around, it has now smacked into a bubble or more, the virus cannot steer away. It has now gotten it's vehicle but in turn, become much larger. The mass has now grown and can be carried much further. That is how some of it gets stuck in the fence. Not all, but some will be trapped. The obstacles have the projectile mass to take it on a ride further. Positive & negative magnetism attraction plays a role also.
A no mask wearer in line before you:
Breath, etc upon the keypad. You touch to checkout. Instinctly you have an itch and touch your T zone, eyes, nose, mouth. Direct infection occurs. Less so, if both subjects don'd a mask.
I'd rather have some protection than none at all.
Masks are here for good, suck it up. Next season's flu numbers will drop dramatically if mask usage is still prevalent.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 04:25PM
A 'clean' unplugged mask cannot block oxygen, nor trap carbon dioxide molecules
[Click Here]
Sure limited airflow, being the size of the straw (path/volume) vs force (pressure).
If we are posting the Dental Tribune as a source link, there's a Forbes link.
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Jellylorum, Thu Jul 09 2020, 05:05PM
Exactly, Doohickey. Many of the virus particles travel inside larger droplets spewed when people sneeze, cough, and talk. They also often clump together or bump into each other while trying to pass through. Many of the larger droplets and clumps cannot make it through the mask.
Thus a face covering can reduce the number of virus particles that get far enough to reach another person.
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MtMan, Thu Jul 09 2020, 05:06PM
A mask wearer before you:. Touches their mask and then touches keypad, same damn difference, you touch keypad and voila.....suck that up.
Notice you didn't even touch the subject brought up by the protests..... convenient.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 05:22PM
No, that portrays a 2nd contact. Hand to mask. You've already lost some in touching another surface. Not direct hand to your actual face.
I started my own subject, relivant to the topic.
Science is our master, not how one would be eluded by TV or social media. That phone in your hand, that rocketship on the moon. Fact. Proven to application. Not 'what' I've read. Sure, the numbers/reportings are skewed.
Your disreguarding the subject matter, is a ploy to distract. Speak on scientific terms.
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MtMan, Thu Jul 09 2020, 06:17PM
Not disregarding any subject at all. Still contact with a surface that "potentially" has the virus, then contact with a surface that the next person may come into contact with it. Real simple, in unscientific terms.
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Squatch, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:24PM
To quote Monte Python: I fart in your general direction!
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:43PM
And now a 3rd contact must be present, after your mask is off your face, you've now lost some more of that virus, sir. Another or yourself would have to touch it again, at the same contact point. Are you going to drive this aspect home? What have you accomplished? Let's take the time span inbetween the touches that have been had. Was it in the sun? Did you wash as you should? Have you proven a mask won't help?
Your concept hasn't procured anything on lifespan to contract, nor the physical areas needed for contraction. I've defined dispersion at each said location and how it could be displaced.
A mask puts forth a barrier. Level up like Mario Bros.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:50PM
A needed disruption. Nice!
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 10 2020, 05:59AM
Masks are here for good? Lol good luck with that...
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 10 2020, 07:33AM
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 13
(24.8 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 7
(6.5 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 11
(23.5 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Blue Jay
(Population 903)
Confirmed cases: 0
(0.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 1
(11.07 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 25
(31.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Rimforest
(Population 762)
Confirmed cases: 1
(13.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
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Cornbread, Fri Jul 10 2020, 10:58AM
If you want to wear a mask for good. That's fine with me. Protect yourself how ever you want but don't make me wear one if I don't want. It's my body, my choice.
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:10AM
I would protect myself however I want, IF I could. N95 masks are unfortunately unavailable.
If high-risk people could access N95 masks, the lack of face masks on other people would be irrelevant.
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:23AM
The short version of why ANY mask might be helpful. (Longer version explains more about different types of masks, and demos.)
[Click Here]
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Dave™, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:30AM
Jelly: If KN95 masks are acceptable, I did find a source [Click Here] Works out to $2 each.
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MrOwl, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:30AM
Funny, coming from a mechanical engineer, not a scientist.
Of course he is welcome to wear a mask.
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:33AM
Lol Bill Nye...really? Such a credible source..
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:14PM
Well let's hope not.
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:23PM
I mean you mentioned they were here for good...that's all I was touching on.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:31PM
Fab find Dave™, KN95's which test very close (chicketty china made) were at Butcher's Block. I only bought one at $4 I think.
I grew up with Bill Nye's shows. A bit eccentric nowadays. That message was short and simple. He's called 'the science guy' for a reason. It'd be like calling Adam West not a superhero.
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:43PM
Thanks for the link to the KN95 masks.
I'm one of those who has multiple lingering side effects for weeks and months after I get sick. One of my coworkers previously commented that when I get a cough, it sounds like I'm hacking up a lung .
I am, of course, trying to stay healthy.
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Airport Razz, Fri Jul 10 2020, 01:02PM
but don't make me wear one if I don't want. It's my body, my choice............ That is very true. But once you step into a public forum if is no longer just your choice. It that other person's, the one next to them, the one behind you and all others in your 'spew zone'. Why should you get to make that choice for them when they aren't allowed to make the choice for you. Why is everything always more important for the few, the privileged, the entitled. Unwashed masses lives matted TOO! If you can make the choice to not wear the mask you can also choose to stay home. Just like the mask people have the choice of staying home to avoid unmasked.
Hey, everyone be safe out there and have a pleasant
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 01:21PM
Jellylorum, KN95's are the China knockoffs of the N95.
Razz, they don't do your line of work and care about their rights & freedom(s) more so.
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MtMan, Fri Jul 10 2020, 01:34PM
Why are some of you bitching about masks? We all are supposed to wear one in public for now. Once that is lifted then you can "shame" us that prefer not to wear one. Seems to be popular these days, shame, shame, shame...
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 03:00PM
KN95 masks are a usually a decent substitute for the N95. Good find. I used N95 regularly when I could get them, at work before I retired, and at home.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 03:01PM
Why are some of you bitching that masks are worthless? I explain they are not quite the chain link fence & mosquito, etc, etc. Shame? Ok if you feel that way.
Living in fear, sheeple are people too!
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 04:34PM
From Facebook.
A Big Bear resident has a seriously ill adult daughter. Covid-19. The daughter visited Big Bear from AZ two weeks ago, and reportedly was all over town while visiting. The granddaughter is also ill.
It appears she is letting people know, so they can be aware of possible exposure, particularly patrons of Murray's Karaoke nights.
[Click Here]
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cricket, Fri Jul 10 2020, 04:35PM
23 cases now. BB Lake 14. BB City 9
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QuantumBear, Fri Jul 10 2020, 04:38PM
I for one look better in a mask.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 06:37PM
I've been saving money on razors. hah
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Nature, Fri Jul 10 2020, 06:54PM
Right when Arizona and Florida cases were starting to explode, an Arizona relative contacted us to tell us of their impending visit. There was no question if we were ok with that or not, just “we are coming”. She had an old friend from Florida, who lived up here the same time she did some years ago, coming back for a visit. We agreed to visit but only at the bike path with social distancing and masks. They weren’t thrilled but agreed. People like that can be warned, educated with the best and most logical information you can share and their smug, ignorant, one sided mindset shuts you out. It’s useless to try and reason with them until they are personally affected. Sometimes that won’t even make any difference. Keep doing what you feel is right for yourself and let the chips fall where they may for those who refuse to believe this pandemic could be bad for them or for their loved ones. It wouldn’t hurt to say a little prayer for everyone.
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QuantumBear, Fri Jul 10 2020, 07:13PM
99% of cases are harmless.
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Airport Razz, Fri Jul 10 2020, 08:08PM
My vacation rental owners for the most part have been cooperative and supportive with our new protocols and the timing needed.......until tonight. Have a renter (non-related to owner) leaving tomorrow at 11 and Mom and friend is coming in from AZ around 5 and staying till tuesday with a follwing renter (non-related to owner) scheduled in the Friday after. Taking the 'family' notation a little too far I'm thinkin but that is millenial thought process taking care of things there. So you think we are going in before Arizona mom arrive tomorrow afternoon and after Mom goes back to AZ with full Haz-Mat suits on and hosing the place down with bleach solution? you better believe it and it is going to cost them dearly. But according to owner, they are OK with that as if we weren't able (or willing) to accomodate she was ready to get on the phone and search for some poor sucker that is either too broke or too dumb to care. And sadly she would have probably found someone eventually.
Side Note: Should the renter coming in after the AZ mom be entitled to a disclaimer that previous guest was from a hot spot?? Thoughts from the gallery?????????
This is the state of our society folks. Isn't going to get any better from here, no matter who's lives matter. Be safe, be careful, and have a good weekend.
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BillyJean, Fri Jul 10 2020, 09:08PM
Maybe try a bag over your head!
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Polar 🌌rbit, Fri Jul 10 2020, 09:11PM
We are all born to live we are all bound to die.
Extra points for the first one to ID the quote.
doo·hick·ey wins!
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Nature, Fri Jul 10 2020, 10:26PM
Razz.
Now you are talking about it I would say disclose, disclose, disclose. Read whatever rules are being required by rentals. Whatever you do, follow them to the letter. I’m hearing 24 hrs to clean and after the cleaners leave no one can enter for another 24 hours but they was some time ago.
Do what current rules are dictating.
I would have them sign any and all disclosures, especially the ones that absolve you and your company of any responsibility or liability to their health .
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 10:50PM
e harris PO!
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cricket, Fri Jul 10 2020, 10:52PM
You need a talk about proper sanitization. 23 cases . we are a small town with small first aid hospital
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Airport Razz, Sat Jul 11 2020, 05:51AM
We are down with the recommended protocols and taking them seriously and like engineering doing things 150%. I have some confidence in what we do after 35 years of mold remediation work. Not quite the same as mushrooms growing through the living carpet but very very similar in treatment. At least no white suits and wash down pools in the garage. Not yet anyway🤞
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Squatch, Sat Jul 11 2020, 01:12PM
Watch this video from a doctor regarding covid, masks, social distancing and how the virus actually works
[Click Here]
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QuantumBear, Sat Jul 11 2020, 01:49PM
ABOUT THE EXPERT
Kelly Victory,
MD
Trauma and Emergency Specialist
President, Victory Health Steamboat
Springs, CO
Kelly Victory, MD, is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 15 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina.
Dr Victory is an expert in disaster preparedness and the medical management of mass casualties. She is a member of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative, a combined effort of Harvard School of Public Health and the Kennedy School of Government to develop meta-leaders for national disaster preparedness and response. She has worked closely with officials from Homeland Security, the US Department of Health and Human Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and multiple branches of the military.
Dr Victory has been a guest lecturer at the Harvard Business School Healthcare Conference, and she is a member of the Leadership Council at Harvard School of Public Health. She is the former president of the Colorado chapter of Docs4PatientCare, a physician group dedicated to protecting the doctor-patient relationship and personal choice in healthcare. Dr Victory also served as an advisor to the Romney healthcare policy team and remains actively involved in the reform debate. Dr Victory currently teaches an “Active Shooter Rapid Response and Extraction” course and “Leadership in Times of Crisis” for first responders, community leaders, and organizations, aimed at limiting casualties, improving outcomes and enhancing resiliency. She makes frequent radio and television appearances to discuss issues related to healthcare policy, emergency and disaster, and public health.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jul 11 2020, 05:50PM
2 places you've shared this pseudoscience propaganda. It belongs in the Political section. Not News or General.
Colorado candidate campaigns with doctor who shared coronavirus conspiracy theories
Doctor made false claim about the disease’s spread in Colorado
[Click Here] -Denver Post
I don't wish to spend my Saturday afternoon debunking her month old "informational" video, that she recently re-uploaded.
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Nature, Sat Jul 11 2020, 06:10PM
Although I guessed what this video was about to say I still, out of respect for other’s opinions, watched it. I’m not sure what benefit it was supposed to have. Saying “if” we have a second wave in the fall - the virus dies in temps in the 80’s - the virus will decline when the weather warms up - we shouldn’t social distance or wear masks unless we are sick or have underlying health conditions - 85% have little or “no” symptoms - referring to the drug used for Malaria and arthritis as a treatment -don’t concern yourself about children because they won’t be affected unless they have health conditions - everyone not sick should go back to work and school and everyone should live their normal lives unless they have health conditions or covid19. So... Every normally healthy person basically forget we have covid19 out there because there is nothing to worry about.
What part of every statement there is valid?
If you have it how do you know?
Healthy people get the virus. Children get it and come home. One person can give it to 100 others in crowded locations.
What was missing in all that was how did this current explosion of the covid19 happen or is that a hoax too?
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Benny ⭐, Sat Jul 11 2020, 07:38PM
I didn't watch it, will later. I don't believe we'll have a second wave in the fall, in that we'll never get out of the first wave. It's now apparent heat isn't killing it, but we are approaching herd immunity level(s), which "should" allow it to start decreasing on its own. But this virus hasn't done a lot of things it "should". With all that, some form of treatment and a vaccine, hopefully, we can pull out of this by the New Year.
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SSJ2012, Sat Jul 11 2020, 09:29PM
I know some of our fellow community members have some connections to those running for election here in next 5 months. (Hint Hint). I’m wondering if they could get just 1 question answered out of the many, on the county reported testing.
If someone test positive for antibodies, but negative for virus. Do they get added to new case count?
I tried emailing our county supervisor and health dept, but they’re kinda dodging questions like 2nd graders dodge balls😂
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rdoctor, Sun Jul 12 2020, 08:24AM
Excellent video Squatch. Thank you very much for posting the link.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 12 2020, 09:59AM
Big Bear City
9
1
10
Big Bear Lake
15
0
15
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ButlerPeakFire, Sun Jul 12 2020, 11:57AM
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it should be moved/erased. We do, however, talk about logic like that in the political section.
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cricket, Sun Jul 12 2020, 04:51PM
Another case today.
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NShore.Allen, Sun Jul 12 2020, 05:20PM
Dr victory is on the 790 AM weekdays on the John Phillips program.. the station comes in weak in fawnskin.
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QuantumBear, Sun Jul 12 2020, 06:25PM
What's AM ?ROFL
Oh, on the Marconi
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jul 13 2020, 11:18AM
13/7/2020
Big Bear City
9
+
1
10
Big Bear Lake
15
+
1
16
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cricket, Mon Jul 13 2020, 10:27PM
28 now
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Nature, Mon Jul 13 2020, 11:02PM
Please correct me if I’m not calculating this correctly.
In the numbers above it says 16+10 on July 7. Since July 10 to now July 13 we have 5 more.
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Jellylorum, Tue Jul 14 2020, 06:53AM
July 9 BB had 19 cases. 4 days later 28 cases. 9 new cases in 4 days. 47% increase.
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Jellylorum, Tue Jul 14 2020, 07:08AM
Be careful out there.
I was advised by my doctor's office yesterday that tests are available locally only with significant symptoms and a doctor's referral.
Otherwise, get on the county web site and try to get an appointment in Apple Valley or elsewhere.
Who is driving that far to get tested? Thus, I infer that the new cases likely are from people obviously sick, and does not include those mildly symptomatic, asymptomatic, or those possibly exposed. My question then: how many more have it and haven't been tested?
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QuantumBear, Tue Jul 14 2020, 07:13AM
dashboard, tab at bottom of page 'confirmed cases - detail'
[Click Here]
City of BBL updates.
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San Bernardino County reported 5 new COVID-19 cases for the Big Bear Valley this past weekend and today.
According to the latest data from San Bernardino County, there have now been a total of 19 confirmed cases in the Big Bear Valley since early May, and a total of 14 new cases in just the past 12 days. A total of 9 confirmed cases were reported between mid-March and early May, and it is believed that all of these cases have now recovered. Including these earlier cases, the total cumulative case count now includes 18 reported cases in the City of Big Bear Lake and 10 in unincorporated areas (28 total cases). Thankfully, there have been no deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the Big Bear Valley.
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wisteria1, Tue Jul 14 2020, 07:16AM
COVID testing is available four days a week at MCH in Lake Arrowhead. Doesn't say anything about having to have a prescription, just two of the listed (very general) symptoms and an appointment.
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BaughHumbug, Tue Jul 14 2020, 09:00AM
At last night's city council meeting, city manager Frank Rush stated that he knew of one local business that had voluntarily closed due to Covid-19 issues. Realtor Dana Profet spoke, said he was aware of two, but neither would name the businesses. Shouldn't this info be shared with full-time residents, many of whom are in the most susceptible category?
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Nature, Tue Jul 14 2020, 09:34AM
Thank you Quantum.
Agreed Humbug.
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Levi1746474, Tue Jul 14 2020, 11:10AM
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CoyotePass, Tue Jul 14 2020, 04:12PM
Dana Prophet is a she. Perhaps you meant her husband Simeon?
We are no where near herd immunity. Herd immunity would kick in somewhere between 40 and 70% of the TOTAL population, but no one knows for sure where the tipping point is. The math to reach that point is frightening. Look up Tate Reeves brilliant tweets on herd immunity yesterday. Tate Reeves is the Republican Governor of Mississippi. He's a plain talking individual. Herd immunity would overwhelm our hospitals and results in MILLIONS of deaths.
Just wear the damn mask already.
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Skier, Tue Jul 14 2020, 04:38PM
Yes!
Our economy and our country are in trouble right now.
The situation is grave.
This is not a test.
Show your'e a patriot, wear a mask proudly.
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Nature, Tue Jul 14 2020, 05:02PM
There is a desperate need for blood donations.
I was told they test you for antibodies when you give blood. I’m not sure about testing for Covid but that would make sense. Call the Big Bear Lake fire station, located behind Remax on Big Bear Blvd, to get an appointment right away. Your blood can save lives with all sorts of medical issues but your plasma can save Covid 19 patients in severe distress. You’re not only getting peace of mind, knowing your status with this virus, but giving life to someone else.The blood drive is up here right now.
You can also request a prescription from your doctor for an antibody test and take that prescription to Quest on Fox Farm Road. So you don’t have to leave the mountain. I believe everyone should get tested to speed up our economic recovery. If the federal government won’t help us, we the people can take this into our own hands and solve these problems without them.
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QuantumBear, Wed Jul 15 2020, 01:32PM
1000 new cases in the county today
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cricket, Wed Jul 15 2020, 02:13PM
37 cases now. Big Bear City 15, Big Bear Lake 18, Sugarloaf 4. Thank you City Council and Visitor Center for sending the engraved invitation.
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Jellylorum, Wed Jul 15 2020, 06:41PM
7 days ago, the case total was 18, since March. Approx. 120 days total.
Today's numbers are a 100% increase in 7 days.
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Nature, Wed Jul 15 2020, 07:03PM
Cricket. Well put.
As for all those who are saying this is a hoax, our rights are being stepped on by being told to stay home and wear masks, let us go back to work now, this is no worse than the flu and any other remark to try and erase/discredit what’s going on, maybe… and only maybe... you’ll open your eyes and hopefully your minds.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 06:19AM
No thanks. Death rate is still incredibly low. I'll take my freedoms.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 06:30AM
Also it's total bull crap they are blaming bars and restaurants for this and still allowing protests...
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 16 2020, 08:14AM
Sugarloaf | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 4
Cases per 10,000 residents: Not available
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Big Bear City | Population: 10,838
Confirmed cases: 15
Cases per 10,000 residents: 13.8
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Big Bear Lake | Population: 5,247
Confirmed cases: 18
Cases per 10,000 residents: 34.3
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Green Valley Lake | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Arrowbear | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Running Springs | Population: 4,677
Confirmed cases: 12
Cases per 10,000 residents: 25.7
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Cedar Glen | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 2
Cases per 10,000 residents: Not available
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Rimforest | Population: 762
Confirmed cases: 1
Cases per 10,000 residents: 13.1
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Crestline | Population: 8,042
Confirmed cases: 31
Cases per 10,000 residents: 38.5
Deaths: 2
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 2.49
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Valley of Enchantment | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Cedarpines Park | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 08:43AM
There you go...
2 Deaths out of 83 Confirmed Cases. That makes the infected fatality rate for the mountain ~2.4%
Really not that scary if you ask me.
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CoyotePass, Thu Jul 16 2020, 08:48AM
We've been soooooo LUCKY so far in Big Bear. It's sheer luck. Our luck could run out any day now. Wear the damn mask.
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Cornbread, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:21AM
I live in Idaho now and masks are not required. I am SO glad I don't live in CA anymore. I refuse to wear a mask. I prefer to keep my immune system strong and my oxygen level normal. My body my choice.
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Squatch, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:29AM
But what about "The Numbers?" You`re going to kill Grandma!
Dam, someone must have slipped me some KOOLAID!
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MrOwl, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:44AM
Unfortunately our piss ass county just made them mandatory. Not wearing one.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:47AM
Score was 43 Confirmed Cases on July 4th.
12 days later 83 Confirmed Cases
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:55AM
Still with a low death rate.....that's the important number.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 16 2020, 10:51AM
So far they have no last names from the community. Just known as dead
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Cornbread, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:09AM
Serious question. If this is so contagious & deadly. Why are there no bio hazard bins for masks and gloves?
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:16AM
And if masks are that effective why did we need to release 18,000 inmates instead of just giving them masks?
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Squatch, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:17AM
Where were you and others for that matter when SARS, EBOLA, BIRD FLU, SWINE FLU, MERS and so many other horrible diseases were circulating? Why so vocal now?
It`s simple: HYPE! HYPE! HYPE!
Noun: extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion.."she relied on HYPE and headlines to stoke interest in her point of view!"
Verb: promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating it`s importance or benefits.
"one`s agenda quick to HYPE her point of view!"
HYPED UP
To stimulate, excite, or AGITATE. ...To create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods...To intensify by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc....to trick;gull.....
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Marty, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:40AM
I'm not trying to counter your point, or take an opposite side, but that's 2.4% not 0.024%.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:59AM
You are correct Sir. Amended.
...Coffee hadn't kicked in yet.
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CoyotePass, Thu Jul 16 2020, 12:58PM
I guess this 58 year old female must just be tougher than you pitiful little male wimps. I wear a mask up to 9 hours a day while physically working my butt off yet I have no trouble breathing through an N95 mask.
It's your god given right to die, but the mask isnt about YOU. MAN UP.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 01:50PM
Ah yes wear a mask or die....the numbers don't agree, but thanks for your opinion. Maybe share it with the 10's of thousands of unmasked protesters flooding the streets of LA...which is legal according to our Governor. According to him, it was the Bars/Restaurants at ~50% capacity that cause the spike...sigh.
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KK, Thu Jul 16 2020, 03:17PM
Not a liberal by any means. NRA member, Yes! Most of Hollywood Uggh! That being said, if something helps why not? If it doesn’t OK! Everyone gets to choose right? Or is that not in the Constitution? I wear a mask in public. Do I wear it while driving around in the car? NO! Do I wash my hands? Yes! It is funny how people Not wearing a mask will cough at you when you are wearing one. What the hell!! Wear a mask, don’t wear a mask. Just don’t cough at me because I choose to wear one!
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Deb Doodah, Thu Jul 16 2020, 04:30PM
I think a piece of all this that gets missed in these conversations is that a large number of people who recover, sustain permanent damage. This virus is scarring lungs, creating blood clots and damaging hearts. We don’t know the long term effects on our children. Will they experience permanent damage from this virus and to what extent will that damage effect their lives?
This is not just a number of people who die issue. It is the overarching effects this virus will cause to those that catch it. I don’t think anyone really knows at this point and is it worth risking your children’s future for?
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KK, Thu Jul 16 2020, 06:23PM
Nicely put Deb!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 17 2020, 06:09AM
Who is she???
What is your Problem, the numbers are what they are. shut down the hate!! the numbers are what we have to look at and to reason it out.YOU can Just keep your head in the sand. Just ignore make up your own mind for your self.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 17 2020, 06:19AM
After the moon landing hoax
SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio doctor said one of her hospital's patients, a 30-year-old man, died after attending a so-called "COVID party" -- a bizarre trend where young people intentionally get together with someone who's infected.
Dr. Jane Appleby, chief medical officer for Methodist Hospital and Methodist Children's Hospital, said the patient thought the coronavirus pandemic was a hoax.
"He thought he was young and he was invincible and wouldn't get affected ... One of the things that was heart-wrenching that he said to his nurse was, 'I think I made a mistake,'" she said.
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In Florida, officials reported 120 deaths in one day Thursday, the highest number since the previous record of 113 in early May.
SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio doctor said one of her hospital's patients, a 30-year-old man, died after attending a so-called "COVID party" -- a bizarre trend where young people intentionally get together with someone who's infected.
Dr. Jane Appleby, chief medical officer for Methodist Hospital and Methodist Children's Hospital, said the patient thought the coronavirus pandemic was a hoax.
"He thought he was young and he was invincible and wouldn't get affected ... One of the things that was heart-wrenching that he said to his nurse was, 'I think I made a mistake,'" she said.
'IT MAKES ME MAD AS HELL' What in the world is a COVID-19 party and why would anybody have one? Hit play to find out.
Many who attend "COVID parties" are competing to see who can catch the virus first. During events reported in Alabama, some college students even gambled money to give to the "winner," the one who catches COVID-19 first.
Appleby said she is seeing more and more coronavirus patients in their 20s and 30s. She said she shared the story not to scare people, but to make sure they understand that the virus can affect anyone.
On Friday, Texas surpassed 10,000 hospitalized patients for the first time, capping a week of grim markers that also saw the state exceed 10,000 new cases in a single day. And it has been the deadliest week of the pandemic in Texas, with 95 new deaths reported Friday.
"The tsunami is here," said Hidalgo County Judge Richard Cortez, the top official in one of the largest counties on the Texas-Mexico border.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Squatch, Fri Jul 17 2020, 09:25AM
I didn`t say anything hateful, it`s troubling that you equate the TRUTH as hate! An opposing opinion is just that, and THANK YOU for making my point by replying with more HYPE!
Btw, you never answered my question regarding "where were you during all of the other diseases?"
Last but not lease, "she" was a direct quote taken from Websters!
Have a great day!
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RH_Runner, Fri Jul 17 2020, 09:39AM
This is one of the biggest problems in today's world, IMO! No one can just have an exchange of ideas, or thoughts, any longer!
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wisteria1, Fri Jul 17 2020, 09:51AM
"Btw, you never answered my question regarding "where were you during all of the other diseases?"
Where was I? In the same place most other people were - can't happen to me!
Until four years ago when my beautiful healthy 40-year-old daughter took a mid-afternoon stroll through Mile Square Park and got a mosquito bite. Within three days she was in a coma and having seizures. Meningoencephalitis from West Nile virus. She was one of the lucky ones, one of only four such cases in all of Orange County that year to not end up blind, paralyzed or dead. Four years later she still has lingering neurological deficits which may never completely heal.
Can't happen to me? BS. And when it does, it's devastating beyond belief.
wear the damn masks. take reasonable precautions. It's a small enough price to pay. no more of a constitutional rights issue than "don't leave standing water to collect on your property to breed mosquitoes".
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Airport Razz, Fri Jul 17 2020, 11:42AM
Very Good Question - Where Was I? Thinking I was hunkered down here in Big Bear watching all the problems originate with international travelers so figured my having no life and never leaving the mountain left me and my family quite safe from those pandemics. Good chance that would have been the same thing this time had travel to the mountains been restricted to locals......but we all know how that would have turn out. Range war between the haves and the have-nots. I do believe that the reason we were so 'clear' for so long is that the ski areas were shut down at the onset of the pandemic. Even Herrick is fairly sure that he wasn't infected by someone here in the valley. That kept a lot of it out of the local population for so long possibly.
Hey, all be safe, wear a mask when you are supposed to and enjoy the weekend. This is our life for a while, i'm kicking and screaming but slowly starting to adjust. Not something we old folk do well by the way
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 17 2020, 11:56AM
I think the most frustrating part of all of this are the "incorrect" numbers being brought to light now (thousands of pending cases being recorded as positives or even people not going to tests getting positive results). These numbers are being inflated to increase Federal/State funding to these hospitals, but they are also one of the main deciding factors for shutdowns. Hospitals falsifying these numbers are possibly destroying people's livelihoods/businesses by keeping them unnecessarily closed. That's what I'm really bugged by...
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Nature, Fri Jul 17 2020, 10:01PM
I’ve said it before. You can’t influence the minds of those who want to believe whatever suits them. Keep doing what is right and talk to those who understand the seriousness of what is happening to the world. The more they fight what needs to be done to turn this around, the longer our economy will suffer. Prepare for It.
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MrOwl, Sat Jul 18 2020, 09:38AM
This is how they count
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jul 18 2020, 11:56AM
So is there any data with percentages on false reporting? Is the media telling medical facilities to report incorrect death numbers or do they get extended funding? What is the motive? With every collection reporting system, there is bound to be a +/- margin of error. Was Big Bear Valley all false, some false or all true? Pretty broad statement...
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Nature, Sat Jul 18 2020, 03:28PM
Doo Hick ey If you want to know where the false reporting is, consider the fact that Very few were getting counted for the first 2 to 3 months of this pandemic. Only counted were those who had the worst symptoms and ended up hospitalized were counted as “confirmed” with Covid19. There was such limited testing, with tests being in short supply. Today I spoke with my paramedic relative in Texas. I was saying it seemed that younger people are getting infected. I told him I didn’t want the children to suffer the results of this virus and he told me, near the border, there are 85 babies testing positive. All are under a year old. I was so shocked. He is transporting more and more Covid cases daily. Far more in bad condition than they have ever transported previously. Texas is in dire straights. My doctor told me that cases in Big Bear have not been counted. As far as I’m concerned there are “far more” cases than being reported. Especially cases with few or no symptoms. They have been put aside completely. I wouldn’t worry about false counting being too high. That’s a ridiculous statement made by people who feel this is a one sided virus.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jul 18 2020, 05:32PM
Hey Nature, I get that hang after hitting 'Reply To Thread' also. I thought it was due to having too many tabs open or internet or phone issues. I don't hit submit more than once. Preview, select all, then it's on my clipboard if it gets lost. When hung, I start over with a new tab.
Yeah, I don't think much of the early infections that were not reported. These back n forth, drive-by comments are not going to change my mind to this is all hype. CO2 molecules are 3 atoms, O2 is 2. A clean mask, not dampened with moisture isn't going to suffocate me.
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Nature, Sat Jul 18 2020, 07:58PM
Yeah. It is impatience and pressing submit more than once. I work another program that does the same thing.
Thanks for the affirmation.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jul 18 2020, 10:19PM
Way to hijack the topic. L0L
J/K, about half of my attempts, either just browsing or posting. I know when it'll get stuck bad, when the progress bar sits at ~6% for minutes. Usually I can start over and see the post did, in fact, go through.
I really thought it was just me.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 19 2020, 06:14AM
19/7/2020
Big Bear Lake 22
Big Bear City 14
Fawnskin 0
Sugarloaf 4
CestLine 34
Running Springs 12
County San Bern. 23566
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Squatch, Sun Jul 19 2020, 09:35AM
Please share with us who is doing the due diligence and fact checking the government numbers, AND, how many local numbers are attributed to cases brought in from other counties/countries!
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Quakes🦊, Sun Jul 19 2020, 04:32PM
Everyone seems to be flocking to the mountains. It is extremely crowded up here everywhere. Sky Park was open and the parking lot was full. Scores people, including lots of families with little kids were gathered in Big Bear today as we swung by.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jul 20 2020, 05:44AM
Sugarloaf 5
BBL 22
BBC14
Fawn 0
Valley 41
Confirmed Cases San Bernardino County
23,772
Doubling Time
20.1 Days
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ArchJohn, Mon Jul 20 2020, 11:15AM
The County's website shows an "outbreak" in Big Bear City of one ("Confirmed Cases-Details" tab) but the location is not on the list of outbreaks on this site. Any idea where that might be?
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Jellylorum, Mon Jul 20 2020, 01:06PM
An "outbreak" marker means 1 or 2 cases involved a person from BBC who is living in prison or a care facility, or receiving outpatient therapy at a care center. That marker has been there for a very long time, well before the outbreaks at the prisons. Most likely was a person in a care facility. At the time the marker first appeared, I believe cases in BBC totalled 3 or 4.
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Skier, Mon Jul 20 2020, 04:25PM
Well looky here.... [Click Here]
The President must have seen my post! Took 6 days though. Maybe he should give me his cellphone number so I can offer him other advice.
I wonder, if Trump issued a federal mandate for everybody to wear masks out in public, would the current no maskers finally give in? Serious question, because it very likely could happen.
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Jul 20 2020, 04:51PM
Well that's political.
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Skier, Mon Jul 20 2020, 05:47PM
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QuantumBear, Mon Jul 20 2020, 06:43PM
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Nature, Mon Jul 20 2020, 08:14PM
Oh Cool!
So if only half the nation ends up getting Covid there will be only 1,500,000 deaths.
Sound good??!
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cricket, Mon Jul 20 2020, 08:22PM
We are fortunate it is not a prion disease.
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Jul 21 2020, 06:31AM
^ Squatch and I get hassled and then there are these posts ^
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 21 2020, 08:14AM
94 pages why
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QuantumBear, Tue Jul 21 2020, 05:07PM
Trump says coronavirus pandemic will ‘probably, unfortunately’ get worse before it gets better
Published: July 21, 2020 at 6:06 p.m. ET
President now urges mask-wearing, social distancing.
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Craig ⭐, Tue Jul 21 2020, 06:43PM
Everyone needs to cooperate with keeping political battles out of this forum. The alternative is to move this forum to politics and start a new one where we can all share information and not make it another political forum. We have a whole forum dedicated that stuff thanks you guys!
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Squatch, Tue Jul 21 2020, 06:58PM
Thank you Craig!
Thought Butler, others and I were getting the old double standard again!
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 21 2020, 07:53PM
Big Bear City
14
1
15
Big Bear Lake
23
0
Fawnskin
0
0
Sugarloaf
5
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25,067
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Airport Razz, Wed Jul 22 2020, 04:27PM
Frikkin Owners!!! Had a vacation cabin that got lucky and got a long term rental starting just after the shut down and going through August. Now starting to get booking for them and of course "we are all on board with the new regulations and will help keep you and your staff safe". SURE, so explain why I just got a booking that has an exit on Sun 9/13 and an arrival on Mon 9/14. WTF people. Can't anyone pull and keep thier head out of that dark damp place???? Greed greed greedy bird.
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Hooky Bobber, Wed Jul 22 2020, 08:01PM
7/22
Big Bear City
15
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Big Bear Lake
24
0
Fawnskin
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Sugarloaf
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BaughHumbug, Thu Jul 23 2020, 08:24AM
Skyline Drive, please clarify for me what the "1" underneath BB City's 15 cases indicates. Hoping it's not a death; I checked the link you provided and no deaths are listed for BBC. Thank you!
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 23 2020, 08:54AM
from the link
Location
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Cases- Outbreak Cases-total
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 23 2020, 08:55AM
U.S. states and territories on Wednesday reported more than 1,100 new deaths attributed to the novel coronavirus, marking the first time since May 29 that the country exceeded that number, according to Washington Post tracking. The tally was led by Texas, which reported a record 197 new deaths Wednesday.
Deaths from the virus have continued to climb upward since June, a troubling trend that gives credence to experts who expected an increase in fatalities following the recent surge in infections.
With cases, hospitalizations and deaths mounting in many areas, governors in Ohio, Indiana and Minnesota on Wednesday joined the growing momentum for mandating face coverings statewide. More than 30 states now require people to wear masks as top health officials and federal leaders, including once-skeptical President Trump, tout their effectiveness.
Here are some significant developments:
· California on Wednesday passed New York in the number of total confirmed cases, as the pandemic once concentrated in the tri-state area shifts to the South and the West.
· Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is pushing to unveil an approximately $1 trillion coronavirus relief bill as early as Wednesday but faces deep divisions between Senate Republicans and the White House.
· Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer and German biotechnology firm BioNTech will supply the federal government with 100 million doses of coronavirus vaccine under a $1.95 billion deal announced Wednesday, the administration’s largest investment in a vaccine that has not yet been proved effective.
· The president’s maskless appearance at Trump International Hotel this week — in apparent defiance of D.C. coronavirus regulations — has caught the attention of local authorities, who say they plan to investigate the hotel’s compliance with city rules.
· An unusual new video with former president Barack Obama and Joe Biden marks a new tactic for campaigning for the country’s highest office in the midst of a pandemic.
Virus may be controlled but never ‘eradicated,’ Fauci says
The coronavirus may never be wiped off the planet , that’s the bad news, but it may be controlled and ultimately managed, Anthony S. Fauci said.
The country’s top infectious-disease expert offered the sobering yet cautiously hopeful assessment Wednesday during a virtual event hosted by TB Alliance on the future of fighting global pandemics like the coronavirus and tuberculosis.
Citing the high rate of coronavirus cases in which people are infected but show no symptoms, Fauci said the virus is unlikely to be the “worst” global killer, although it has certainly proved to be particularly deadly for elderly patients and those with underlying conditions.
The virus is also unlikely to “disappear” the way severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, did after it was identified in 2002. The respiratory virus spread to more than two dozen countries and killed nearly 800 people before virtually vanishing; it was considered eradicated the following year.
The novel coronavirus, Fauci said, is “too efficient” in its ability to transmit from one person to the next.
“I think we ultimately will get control of it; I don’t really see us eradicating it,” he said.
The ability to control the virus will depend on strong public health measures, “a degree of global herd immunity” and a vaccine, he said. Fauci said he is “cautiously optimistic” about developing an effective vaccine.
“I think when you put all three of those together, I think we will get very good control of this, whether it’s this year or next year,” he said.
California passes New York as the state with the most coronavirus cases
The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in California reached 413,576 on Wednesday, causing it to pass New York as the state with the most confirmed infections, according to data tracked by The Washington Post.
New York on Wednesday reported 705 new cases, to bring its total to 408,886 since the start of the pandemic.
California was among the earliest states to confirm cases of community spread, with Northern California and the Bay Area becoming the first areas to implement stay-at-home orders in mid-March. At the time, the state’s aggressive shutdowns helped keep the number of cases in the Bay Area stable, 33 by the end of March, while New York City’s infection rate had exploded to 497 during that same time.
Almost four months later, the two states have switched positions. New York’s highest-in-the-nation numbers have plummeted from their April peak, with cases down 94 percent.
Meanwhile, the number of infections, hospitalizations and deaths in California has surged. The rising infection rate grew sharply in June. Outbreaks in several California prisons became major vectors for community spread, while large social gatherings in parts of the state fueled new infections. California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) issued a statewide mask mandate a month ago, but at least five rural counties refused to comply.
Pfizer and BioNTech announce deal with U.S. to distribute up to 600 million doses of potential coronavirus vaccine
Pfizer and BioNTech will supply the federal government with 100 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine, once it’s proved effective and secures regulatory approval, under a $1.95 billion deal, the biotech companies announced Wednesday.
The agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and Defense Department allows the government to acquire an additional 500 million doses of BNT162, the vaccine candidate.
“Expanding Operation Warp Speed’s diverse portfolio by adding a vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech increases the odds that we will have a safe, effective vaccine as soon as the end of this year,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. “Depending on success in clinical trials, today’s agreement will enable the delivery of approximately 100 million doses of this vaccine to the American people.”
Americans will receive the vaccine free, the release said.
Senate GOP struggles to finalize $1 trillion coronavirus bill
Senate Republicans struggled to finalize a $1 trillion coronavirus relief bill Wednesday, confronting internal divisions and continued White House demands for a payroll tax cut that most lawmakers oppose.
Several lawmakers speculated openly that they might be unable to make any deal with Democrats at all, suggesting the possible need for a stand-alone extension of unemployment benefits that expire at the end of this month.
Can you get coronavirus twice? Doctors are unsure
When Sophie Cunningham, a guard for the WNBA’s Phoenix Mercury, returned to training last week after a bout with covid-19, she made an announcement that startled fans. She said she believed she had been infected twice, once in March and then again in June or July.
“They said you can only get it once, but I’ve had it twice,” she told reporters Thursday. “Hopefully, I’m done with it.”
As the United States marks its sixth month since the arrival of the virus, Cunningham’s story is among a growing number of reports of people getting covid-19, recovering and then falling sick again, assertions, that if proved, could complicate efforts to make a long-lasting vaccine, or to achieve herd immunity where most of the population has become immune to the virus.
Miami will create new police unit to enforce mask ordinance
Miami will dedicate 39 law enforcement officers to enforcing the city’s mask ordinance, Mayor Francis Suarez said Tuesday at a news conference.
Like many other hard-hit South Florida cities, Miami requires face coverings to be worn in both indoor and outdoor public settings, with exceptions only for joggers, people with health conditions and children under 2. As cases and hospitalizations continue to surge, however, the city is taking things a step further by creating a mask enforcement unit.
The 39 officers “are going to be working seven days a week,” Suarez said. “All they are going to be doing is mask enforcement.”
Violators will be fined $50 for a first offense, $100 for a second offense and $500 after that. Anyone who violates the ordinance more than three times will be arrested.
Miami-Dade County leads Florida for the most coronavirus infections reported per 100,000 people, as well as the highest death count, according to data tracked by the Miami Herald.
Ohio, Indiana and Minnesota join nearly two-thirds of states requiring masks
On Wednesday, Ohio, Indiana and Minnesota followed about 30 states in the country that have implemented mask mandates in recent weeks.
Governors from the Midwestern states emphasized the importance of mask-wearing to slow the community spread of the coronavirus, as cases have spiked.
Ohio’s order, which goes into effect Thursday, will require people older than 9 to don masks in indoor public spaces and outdoors when social distancing can’t be maintained. Indiana’s order, to be signed Thursday, also calls for mask-wearing when social distancing is not possible.
Minnesotans who are 5 or older must be masked indoors, aside from homes, starting Saturday.
Minnesotans who are 5 or older must be masked indoors, aside from homes, starting Saturday.
D.C. will require people older than 2 to wear masks when they leave the house, one of the strictest mask ordinances in the country, according to a Wednesday announcement by Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D).
Several Republican governors, including Ohio’s Mike DeWine, had opted to mandate masks only in some places but expanded the rules as coronavirus infections have escalated and the public has largely supported face-covering requirements.
Ohio reported 1,527 new cases Wednesday, its third-highest single-day number of infections. Indiana on Wednesday tallied 757 new cases, which was also the state’s highest seven-day average. Minnesota reported 504 infections the same day.
Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb (R) said at a news conference Wednesday afternoon that his mandate will take effect Monday to give time for news of the order to spread among Hoosiers — “hopefully faster than the virus,” he said.
More than 3,000 leading health officials sign letter defending Fauci
More than 3,000 top health officials have signed an open letter criticizing White House efforts to discredit Anthony S. Fauci, the top infectious-disease expert advising the administration in the pandemic.
Drafted by Peter Lurie, a former Food and Drug Administration associate commissioner, and epidemiologist Gregg Gonsalves, the letter praises Fauci’s ability to explain “the complexity of an illness we still don’t fully understand” and to keep science “front and center” in public discourse.
“We need the clear voices of government experts, including Dr. Fauci, to be available to the American public without limitation,” reads the letter, which has signatories including two former Food and Drug Administration commissioners, two former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a former Health and Human Services secretary, a former surgeon general and several leading medical journal editors. “That is the only path that can bring success in our efforts to control the virus.”
In mid-July, the White House circulated a list of what it characterized as mistakes that Fauci, the director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, had made about the pandemic, mostly in the early days when information about the virus was extremely limited. Shortly after, Trump’s chief trade adviser Peter Navarro penned a USA Today op-ed claiming Fauci was “wrong about everything I have interacted with him on.” The White House distanced itself from the piece and released a statement saying it had not been authorized.
Fauci, in an interview with the Atlantic last week, called the attempts to discredit him “bizarre” and counterproductive.
“I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that,” Fauci said. “I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it’s only reflecting negatively on them.”
Congress urged to provide billions of dollars to fix crumbling school buildings that pose threat to safety
A coalition of dozens of education and civic groups are asking Congress to provide billions of dollars in emergency funding to repair aging, crumbling school buildings that are an obstacle to the safe reopening of schools during the coronavirus pandemic.
BASIC, or [Re]Build America’s School Infrastructure Coalition, said in a letter (see below) sent to congressional leaders that there is an urgent need for $10 billion to be targeted to at least 14,000 schools in the highest-poverty communities that are in the poorest physical shape.
“The children and staff returning to schools serving low-income communities are far more likely to be in old and severely deteriorated buildings that are woefully unprepared to operate safely during this health crisis,” the letter says. “Many of these schools in high-poverty communities educate children from families who are essential workers. … These schools and communities are often where broadband and virtual schooling are most deficient.”
United Airlines requires customers to wear masks in airports
Customers flying United Airlines will now have to wear masks in airports, the company announced Wednesday.
Face masks will now be required at airport kiosks, customer service counters, gates and baggage claim areas. United Airlines patrons with United Club access will also need to wear masks.
The company is tightening its rules even further by exempting only children under the age of 2.
The updated rules take effect on Friday.
The airline giant said that customers who refuse to follow the new requirements may not be allowed to travel and could be banned from flying with United Airlines while the order is still effective.
A federal eviction moratorium ends this week, putting 12 million tenants at risk
A federal moratorium that has protected millions of renters from eviction since late March expires Friday, leaving millions of people at risk even as the coronavirus continues to spread across the country.
The moratorium covers renters who live in homes with federally backed mortgages, which the Urban Institute estimates to be 12.3 million households, or about 30 percent of all renters nationwide. Once the moratorium lapses, landlords can give their delinquent tenants 30 days’ notice and then begin filing eviction paperwork in late August.
The expiration of the federal protection comes as state and local eviction bans are also starting to expire and enhanced federal unemployment benefits that kept many renters afloat are scheduled to end. That will put more pressure on renters already scraping by, housing advocates say.
Lowe’s says that employees won’t enforce mask mandate because of safety concerns
Home-improvement giant Lowe’s doesn’t plan to have its employees enforce its new mask mandate out of concern for their safety, the Charlotte Observer reported Tuesday.
Lowe’s was one of a slew of major retailers, including Target, CVS, Kohl’s, Walmart, Kroger and Home Depot, to announce last week that shoppers would have to wear face coverings inside U.S. stores. But mask requirements have proved difficult to enforce, and low-paid retail and service workers typically bear the brunt of customers’ anger. There have been countless examples of shoppers becoming belligerent when asked to wear a mask, and some workers have even been physically assaulted.
Earlier this month, some Starbucks employees told The Washington Post that their managers had warned them to avoid confronting maskless customers. Similarly, CVS said last week that it was “not asking our store employees to play the role of enforcer” for its new mask policy.
At least a dozen maskless shoppers walked into a Lowe’s store outside Charlotte in the span of 10 minutes on Tuesday, the Observer reported. When the paper inquired about the apparent lack of enforcement, a spokesperson said that safety “has been and continues to be” the chain’s priority.
“We will not ask our associates to put their safety at risk by confronting customers about wearing masks, so we are consistently requesting that customers wear masks for the safety of everyone in our stores,” the statement from Lowe’s said.
Dollar Tree and Family Dollar, which are both part of the same company, made masks mandatory for shoppers on July 8 but reversed that policy a week later, saying only that it would “request” face coverings be worn. The company has not explained the reason for the change.
Bolsonaro tests positive again, two weeks after first confirmation of covid-19
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro tested positive for the novel coronavirus for the third time since July 7, Brazil’s Communications Ministry said Wednesday, Reuters reported.
“The test carried out on the president yesterday, on the 21st, showed a positive result,” a statement said. “President Bolsonaro is still in good condition, accompanied by the presidency’s medical team.”
Bolsonaro has repeatedly belittled the virus causing covid-19 as nothing worse than the flu and flouted public health social distancing recommendations. He has also championed hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the novel coronavirus, despite scientific studies that have repeatedly found it is not effective.
Brazil has the world’s second-highest number of confirmed coronavirus infections and fatalities, following the United States. Bolsonaro has repeatedly clashed with the governors of some Brazilian states, who have imposed closures on the local level in the absence of a centralized federal response.
Brazil has reported more than 2 million confirmed coronavirus cases and over 81,000 related deaths. (Source: The Washington Post)
Story Date: July 22, 2020
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 23 2020, 09:03AM
this is from the sun
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Big Bear Lake | Population: 5,247
Confirmed cases: 24
Cases per 10,000 residents: 45.7
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 22
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QuantumBear, Thu Jul 23 2020, 09:08PM
Cali has the most cases in the country,
USA has the most cases in the world.
Countries ban Americans from entering.
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Cornbread, Fri Jul 24 2020, 08:27AM
Maybe America should ban other countries from coming here too
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Airport Razz, Fri Jul 24 2020, 09:21AM
. Seems to me that is what Trump wanted to do at the beggining of the problem and get royally blasted as a racist for such thoughts. No win situtation there. But yes, as bad as it sounds, people just need to stay put for a while.
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 24 2020, 10:14AM
Trump did do it to some extent and was subsequently called a Racist....
...Then a few weeks later he was criticized for not doing it sooner..
...guess you just cant win.
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Squatch, Fri Jul 24 2020, 07:04PM
Quantum...we can always count on you to regurgitate information and perpetuate the HYPE!
Nice job, as always!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 24 2020, 07:30PM
Big Bear City
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18
Big Bear Lake
27
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Sugarloaf
5
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49 in valley
26,796 county
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Nature, Fri Jul 24 2020, 08:07PM
Thank you Skyline. So 49 now huh. I guess all the bragging we are doing so amazingly well everything should open up and everyone can come on up is starting to show what we always knew was untrue. We do our best to keep politics out of these conversations. Take it to the political thread.
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Quakes🦊, Sat Jul 25 2020, 12:08AM
I got tested today(as requirement for my new job). I will not know the results for at least a week.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 25 2020, 06:25AM
Sugarloaf
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Fawnskin
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Big Bear City
17
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18
Big Bear Lake
27
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7/25 San Bernardino County is now reporting a total of 50 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the Big Bear Valley [Click Here]
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Update #89
COVID-19 Emergency
July 23, 2020 - 4 pm
4 New Cases in Big Bear Valley Over Past Two Days, Incidence Remains Relatively Low Compared to Rest of California
No Significant Change in Hospitalizations
ALL Businesses Need to Be Vigilant In Order to Keep Our Community Safe and Open!
Pine Knot Avenue Businesses Permitted to Occupy Sidewalks and Parallel Parking Spaces, Street Closed to Vehicular Traffic This Weekend
Village Drive Businesses Permitted to Occupy On-Street Parking Spaces, Street Remains Open to Vehicular Traffic This Weekend
More Than 700 Free Public Parking Spaces Available in Village Parking Lots
Multiple Efforts to Increase Testing
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL COVID-19 GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY OF BIG BEAR LAKE
The City of Big Bear Lake is working hard to ensure that the residents, second home owners, investors, businesses, and visitors in our community have the correct information about the status of COVID-19 in Big Bear Lake and the City's response to the COVID-19 event.
This email newsletter is the official guidance from the City of Big Bear Lake, and the City appreciates everyone's adherence to the guidance outlined herein. This email newsletter also serves as the City's official press release regarding the City's COVID-19 response, and press inquiries may be directed to City Manager Frank Rush at 909-866-5832 or via email.
The City issues these COVID-19 updates periodically as significant or new information emerges. To be sure you are receiving the latest and most accurate information, please sign up for this email newsletter by clicking here . PLEASE share this email newsletter with anyone and everyone, as we want to reach as many people as possible with this information. Thank you!
4 NEW CASES IN BIG BEAR VALLEY OVER PAST TWO DAYS, INCIDENCE REMAINS RELATIVELY LOW COMPARED TO REST OF CALIFORNIA
A total of 4 new cases have been reported for Big Bear Valley since the City's last update on July 21.
San Bernardino County is now reporting a total of 38 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the Big Bear Valley since June 1, and this figure represents the estimated maximum number of "active" cases at this time. It is believed, however, that some of these individuals have recovered by now, thus the actual number of "active" cases may be somewhat lower.
There were a total of 9 confirmed cases reported in the Big Bear Valley between mid-March and June 1, thus the cumulative total in the Big Bear Valley is now 47 confirmed cases. Since reporting began in mid-March, there have been 26 confirmed cases in the City of Big Bear Lake, 16 in Big Bear City, 5 in Sugarloaf, and 0 in Fawnskin. Thankfully, there have been no deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the Big Bear Valley.
Over the last two weeks, there have been 27 new cases reported in the Big Bear Valley, which equates to a two-week new case rate of 123 per 100,000 population. This is one of the key metrics used by the State to gauge the current COVID-19 threat in California counties. If the Big Bear Valley was its own county, we would have a lower rate than 40 of the 58 counties in California, and lower than the incidence in all Southern California counties.
The City continues to closely monitor COVID-19 in the City limits, the entire Big Bear Valley, and in San Bernardino County, and will adjust our strategies as necessary and appropriate to keep our community SAFE and keep our community OPEN. City officials are increasingly concerned about the increase in new cases in recent weeks, however, we do not believe it is necessary or prudent at this time to seek the closure of certain segments of our community. The City is currently implementing all applicable restrictions imposed by the State, and, as noted above, we remain fortunate to experience a relatively low incidence of COVID-19 in the Big Bear Valley.
In order to keep our community SAFE and OPEN, it is imperative that all residents, businesses, and visitors WEAR FACE COVERINGS, MAINTAIN PHYSICAL DISTANCE, and PRACTICE GOOD HAND HYGIENE! We all need to do our part to reverse the recent trends, and reduce the number of "active" cases in the Big Bear Valley!
The County now reports a cumulative total of 26,185 confirmed cases in all of San Bernardino County. A total of 222,911 tests have been administered thus far in the County, with 11.7% testing positive for COVID-19. Sadly, a total of 358 people have now died from COVID-19 in San Bernardino County, with 25 deaths reported over the past two days. This data is the most sobering reminder of the threat we all face, and the need for all of us to do our part to keep our community safe.
This data is updated daily at the County's COVID-19 dashboard, and the City encourages everyone to view this site for the most accurate information.
NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN HOSPITALIZATIONS
Because any COVID-19 patients from the Big Bear Valley would likely be treated by other, larger hospitals in San Bernardino County, City officials continue to closely monitor hospitalization and ventilator data in the entire County.
According to the latest County data, there are currently 676 confirmed and suspected COVID-19 patients hospitalized in San Bernardino County. This number has increased from 217 patients on June 1, and 516 patients on July 1. Over the past week, the number of confirmed and suspected COVID-19 patients hospitalized in San Bernardino County has been relatively constant, and has been in the 656 - 699 range each day.
According to the latest County data, there are now a total of 195 COVID-19 patients in intensive care, and this number has also been relatively constant over the past week - ranging from 181 - 200 ICU patients each day. It is important to note that there now a total 178 intensive care beds still available in San Bernardino County. This number has also been relatively constant over the past week, ranging from 143 - 178 ICU beds available each day.
Ventilators remain readily available in San Bernardino County, with a total of 461 currently available. San Bernardino County reports that many hospitals are now utilizing alternative devices, including CPAP and BiPAP devices, to treat COVID-19 patients, and that these devices have been effective in avoiding ventilator use.
ALL BUSINESSES NEED TO BE VIGILANT IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND OPEN!
As the number of local cases continues to rise, it's now more important than ever for ALL Big Bear businesses to double-down on your commitment to keeping your employees, your customers, and our community safe! If we can't do that, we may be forced to close some or all businesses, and no one wants that to happen again!
PLEASE do your part, and be vigilant in your efforts:
adhere to the applicable State guidance for your business, and always err on the side of health and safety,
REQUIRE your employees and customers to wear a face covering in order to work at or enter your business,
arrange your business operations to maximize physical distance between all customers and employees,
wherever feasible, move business operations outdoors,
monitor your employees for possible COVID-19 symptoms, and err on the side of caution by keeping them away from work until a negative test result is obtained and no symptoms are present,
if you have an employee test positive, please follow the guidance located here , and
become a COVID-Compliant business through San Bernardino County's program that will provide up to $2,500 to help your business implement safe practices.
The City is happy to assist any of our businesses with compliance efforts, and City staff are making periodic visits to all Big Bear Lake businesses to educate business owners, offer assistance, and provide free masks.
The City's goal is to work cooperatively with our businesses to keep everyone safe, and also help your business avoid a potential punitive action by State officials. For assistance, please contact City Hall at 909-866-5831 or email us. The City is committed to helping our businesses operate safely and maintain profitability!
PINE KNOT AVENUE BUSINESSES PERMITTED TO OCCUPY SIDEWALKS AND PARALLEL PARKING SPACES, STREET CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THIS WEEKEND
In an effort to promote greater physical distancing and also to provide more options for outdoor dining and retail, the City will close Pine Knot Avenue to vehicular traffic this coming weekend, July 25 - 26. Pine Knot Avenue will be closed between Village Drive and Stone Road from 7 am on Saturday through 10 pm on Sunday, and the entire street will become a pedestrian plaza for this entire time period.
Restaurants on Pine Knot Avenue will be permitted to set up tables for outdoor dining on the public sidewalk directly in front of the restaurant, and also in the parallel parking spaces directly in front of the restaurant. Restaurants may set up tables for wait service, or may simply set up tables for take-out customers to utilize after picking up their food at the restaurant. No permit is required, however, all restaurants must maintain 6 ft. of separation between tables, maintain a safe and clean environment, maintain adequate aisle widths, and must comply with applicable California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC) requirements. The State has established a special COVID-19 permit for the serving of alcohol in outdoor spaces, and a copy of the permit application is available here . If a restaurant secures this special COVID-19 permit from the State, restaurant customers on public sidewalks and public parking spaces may be served alcoholic beverages. If not, restaurant customers on public sidewalks and public parking spaces are limited to non-alcoholic beverages only, and restaurants should seat their customers accordingly.
Retail establishments on Pine Knot Avenue will also be permitted to display merchandise on the public sidewalks and parallel public parking spaces directly in front of their establishment, and must simply maintain a safe and clean environment, and maintain adequate aisle widths. No permit is required.
A summary of the Pine Knot Avenue closure and guidelines for outdoor dining and retail displays is located here , and a map of the closure area is located here. Restaurants and retail establishments may email any questions about setting up on the public sidewalks and public parking spaces, or call City Hall at 909-866-5832 for assistance.
The planned closure is a TRIAL for this coming weekend, and any future closures will be determined by the City Council at a later date.
VILLAGE DRIVE BUSINESSES PERMITTED TO OCCUPY ON-STREET PARKING SPACES, STREET REMAINS OPEN TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THIS WEEKEND
The City is implementing a nearly identical program for outdoor dining and retail displays on Village Drive this weekend, however, Village Drive will remain open for vehicle travel all weekend. In this area, all on-street parking spaces along Village Drive will be closed and made available for outdoor dining and retail displays this weekend, along with an area in the Indian Village parking lot. Public sidewalks will remain open for pedestrians on Village Drive, and may not be utilized for outdoor dining or retail displays.
No permit is required, and a summary of the requirements for restaurants and retail establishments to set up in the Village Drive public parking spaces is located here . A map of the closure area is located here . Restaurants and retail establishments may email any questions about setting up in the public parking spaces on Village Drive or in the Indian Village parking lot, or call City Hall at 909-866-5832 for assistance.
MORE THAN 700 FREE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE IN VILLAGE PARKING LOTS!
Due to the trial closure of Pine Knot Avenue and the public parking spaces on Village Drive this weekend, there will be no on-street parking available along The Village "L". Residents and visitors are encouraged to park in any of City's more than 700 free public parking spaces in public parking lots around The Village.
There are a total of:
89 parking spaces in the Indian Village parking lot between Village Drive and Cameron Drive, right behind Oakside Restaurant,
282 parking spaces in the Bartlett Road parking lot, directly behind the west side of Pine Knot Avenue with a quick cut-through behind the movie theater,
159 parking spaces in the Knickerbocker Road parking lot, directly behind the east side of Pine Knot Avenue, with a quick cut-through behind the Copper Q,
100 parking spaces in the Pennsylvania Avenue parking lot, located one block east of the intersection of Pine Knot Avenue and Village Drive,
49 parking spaces at Veterans Park, located along the lakefront one block east of Pine Knot Avenue, and
30 parking spaces in the Alden Road parking lot located a few blocks east of The Village.
City signs will be deployed this weekend directing the public to these free public parking lots. It's actually quicker to just park in one of these lots and walk to Pine Knot Avenue and Village Drive than it is to circle around looking for an on-street parking spot!
MULTIPLE EFFORTS TO INCREASE TESTING
After recent testing delays, multiple efforts are underway to increase COVID-19 testing in San Bernardino County and the Big Bear Valley.
San Bernardino County expects to implement new testing capabilities next week, with a goal to have 6,000 - 7,000 people tested daily in our County. In recent weeks, the County has averaged approximately 3,000 tests per day, which was considered to be sufficient prior to the recent escalation in COVID-19 cases. The additional County testing capacity is expected to make it easier and quicker to be tested, with quicker results. To make an appointment at a free County test site, please click here .
The City of Big Bear Lake partnered with San Bernardino County to offer free COVID-19 testing events in the Big Bear Valley in April and June, and is currently working to arrange additional free testing events in the Big Bear Valley. Additionally, the City continues to explore other testing strategies aimed at ensuring that our residents can secure a test as soon as needed, with results available as quickly as possible. The sooner we can identify positive cases, the sooner we can isolate those individuals and prevent the spread to others.
If you are experiencing COVID-19 symptoms, please stay away from others until you can get tested - either at a free County site or by contacting your private medical provider, who may have the ability to secure a test sooner.
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Re: virus pandemonia
ROCK, Sat Jul 25 2020, 09:41AM
and we all know the numbers are accurate
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Sat Jul 25 2020, 10:47AM
Perfect example on how NOT accurate the numbers are:
Big Bear Lake pop 5,247 cases per 10k 45.7
Absolute BS when everyone knows the population during the summer swells to many, many times that during the summer, especially with all of the people out of work. Even during the week there is an unusually high flow of cars/people into the area right now...
This changes to ratio a ton but some people aren`t savy enough to do the math!
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MtMan, Sat Jul 25 2020, 12:56PM
Re: virus pandemonia
Nature, Sat Jul 25 2020, 07:39PM
Community numbers are based on how many people live in that community. That is how it’s done everywhere. It is not based on how many people visit, spend the night, or drive-through. The fact is that the virus is here in Big Bear. It is now also being spread by those who willingly or unwillingly bring it home to loved ones, friends and associates. Willingly would be by those people who refuse to follow the recommendations meant to slow the spread.
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Squatch, Sat Jul 25 2020, 08:23PM
In this example, by your own admission, numbers are based on "set population numbers" not ACTUAL numbers...
Apply this FACT WITH A TON OF MISREPORTED COVID CASES and you end up with "crap data," you and others can blindly believe the numbers without question if you wish, but that would be completely ignorant!
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Sat Jul 25 2020, 08:48PM
What are available hospital beds based on ?
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Squatch, Sat Jul 25 2020, 08:53PM
Thank you for not disappointing us with that ignorant response! Again!
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Nature, Sun Jul 26 2020, 01:10AM
OK, I’m going to try to explain this very simply. Only because there may be one or two people who might be confused by this silly argument. I won’t waste my time on trying to quote specific numbers.
There are X number of “residents”, people who live here full time, in our Big Bear Valley. Got that?
There are X number of COVID-19 “confirmed” cases of those same residents here in our Big Bear Valley. Simple enough? That’s how it works in every community. Have a nice rest of your weekend.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 26 2020, 06:19AM
Back on the third rock from the sun
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San Bernardino County coronavirus cases, deaths
See the latest numbers (represented by circle size), as well as rates relative to population (represented by circle shade), for cities and unincorporated areas.
Fawnskin | Population: 529
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Sugarloaf | Population: 3,141
Confirmed cases: 4
Cases per 10,000 residents: 12.7
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Big Bear Lake | Population: 5,247
Confirmed cases: 28
Cases per 10,000 residents: 53.4
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Big Bear City | Population: 10,838
Confirmed cases: 20
Cases per 10,000 residents: 18.5
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Valley 52
Angelus Oaks | Population: 403
Confirmed cases: 2
Cases per 10,000 residents: 49.6
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Crestline | Population: 8,042
Confirmed cases: 38
Cases per 10,000 residents: 47.3
Deaths: 2
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 2.49
As of: Saturday, July 25
Running Springs | Population: 4,677
Confirmed cases: 14
Cases per 10,000 residents: 29.9
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Lake Arrowhead | Population: 8,131
Confirmed cases: 6
Cases per 10,000 residents: 7.4
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Cedarpines Park | Population: 1,200
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Valley of Enchantment | Population: 1,873
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Twin Peaks | Population: 2,502
Confirmed cases: 7
Cases per 10,000 residents: 28.0
Deaths: 1
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 4.00
As of: Saturday, July 25
Rimforest | Population: 762
Confirmed cases: 1
Cases per 10,000 residents: 13.1
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Blue Jay | Population: 903
Confirmed cases: 6
Cases per 10,000 residents: 66.4
Deaths: 1
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 11.07
As of: Saturday, July 25
Cedar Glen | Population: 743
Confirmed cases: 3
Cases per 10,000 residents: 40.4
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 26 2020, 06:41AM
That’s an algorithm! It allows comparison of different size comminutes with a different population just a tool for tracking.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 26 2020, 06:45AM
Mask respirator.
Apples oranges
Disclaimer for the lawsuit
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Nature, Sun Jul 26 2020, 08:01AM
In support of Sky, the disclaimer is exactly what they are saying to all of us. Masks are meant to keep you, while you’re wearing it, from spreading it to others. That’s why we are told wearing a mask is being considerate of others and slowing the spread. N-95 masks keep you from getting the virus. That’s why N-95 masks are needed by health professionals while caring for those with Covid. If everyone wears a normal face mask and keeps a safe distance from others it will slow the disease from spreading to each other. Understand?
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MrOwl, Sun Jul 26 2020, 08:12AM
If you have an N95 mask with a valve you are still spreading the virus to others, so don't bother.
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wisteria1, Sun Jul 26 2020, 10:20AM
I have to disagree, Mr. Owl. It's all about the viral load you are either expelling or inhaling with or without facemask. The only analogy that comes to mind is if you have a low sperm count it is not impossible to get someone pregnant, just far less likely. Less swimmers (or viruses), less probability of one reaching a recipient.
And as far as the statistics go, they are, like everything else these days, FUBAR'd and at best accurate-ISH, but better than nothing and as valiant an attempt as any of our systems trying to adapt to a new situation. For example, it was only a week or so ago that they stopped counting everything from GVL to Cedarpines Park as "Crestline" and started listing the various towns individually. Hence, Lake Arrowhead only has 6 cases on the Dashboard but likely some of the previous "Crestline" positives were Arrowhead. As long as you keep things like that in mind, you can get a picture, albeit a bit fuzzy, of what's going on.
And if "I don't wanna wear a facemask" and "but the numbers aren't completely accurate" are the worst problems you're facing these days, you are, in all sincerity, truly blessed.
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 10:50AM
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Jellylorum, Sun Jul 26 2020, 10:53AM
If you have N95 masks with the respiration valve, covering the valve with some tape will help protect others, as well as yourself. Easy modification.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 26 2020, 11:01AM
Because they are too ignorant to wear them
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 11:24AM
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jul 26 2020, 12:08PM
Social distancing is not much of an option in a prison's general population. Not saying, releasing (non-violent?) inmates was the best thing to do...
Masks help some, it is not the cure. Rehash the wet farts and molecule sizes of virus, O2 & CO2?
We all here know the views of several members, do we need to be hit over the head w/it on a daily basis?
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 12:57PM
Oh, so maybe I should have asked permission from you to voice an opinion that differs from yours... BTW, haven't posted here in more than a week, if you can't handle a different opinion than yourself's, maybe just ignore it?
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jul 26 2020, 02:07PM
Add something of value for once. You and others are not contributing positive posts. Just silly memes and comments of how your opinions are superior. You do not need my permission to spam here. Have at it bro(s)
More trash talk
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 02:50PM
Never said my opinion is superior, you are making things up. Value? That is up to you to decide if there is value but also your opinion as to the value of the subject. Trash talk.....your opinion and not a very value oriented one I may add.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jul 26 2020, 03:22PM
If it's not superior, why do you believe in it so passionately?
Shut Up and Fish!
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ArchJohn, Sun Jul 26 2020, 05:53PM
Finally some good news!
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 08:07PM
I could ask the same question.
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Deb Doodah, Sun Jul 26 2020, 09:16PM
Guys - take your argument to PM’s. The thread is not the place to have a pissing contest!
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jul 27 2020, 08:10AM
Big Bear City
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Big Bear Lake
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Fawnskin
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Sugarloaf
4
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55 in the valley
hospital bed population
Confirmed COVID-19 Positive Patients
607
▼ -1% from previous day (613)
Suspected COVID-19 Positive Patients
69
▲ 13.1% from previous day (61)
Surge Capacity Beds in Use
86
▲ 2.4% from previous day (84)
Total Surge Capacity Beds
972
▲ 0.7% from previous day (965
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cricket, Mon Jul 27 2020, 09:18AM
It seems the more sick we get the harder the city of big bear lake trys to make it more accommodating to large crowds.
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QuantumBear, Mon Jul 27 2020, 02:21PM
Where's the rep button ?
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Polar 🌌rbit, Mon Jul 27 2020, 02:40PM
Cueby, please take your political opinions off of your signature.
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cricket, Mon Jul 27 2020, 03:31PM
60 Cases Now. 24 Big Bear City, 32 Big Bear Lake, 4 Sugarloaf. When is somebody in charge going to do something???
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Jul 27 2020, 05:07PM
There's not much more to do. It could be worse to just shut the valley all down.
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cricket, Mon Jul 27 2020, 05:30PM
Why would that be worse? Do you think in 3 months they will be outside chowing down in the cold weather? How will they social distance while waiting for the chair lift? How is that suppose to work? People grabbing at straws and making more people sick. Tell me how the house cleaner for next door can clean and sanitize a huge home for 12 in under an hour. Never see any dirty line s co.e out. If there are machines that will wash and dry a load in under an hour let me know so I can get one.
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Squatch, Mon Jul 27 2020, 06:58PM
For a change, why don`t you come to the table with some resolutions and ideas instead of adding to the HYPE with negative comments which HELPS absolutely NO ONE!
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cricket, Mon Jul 27 2020, 09:13PM
There is no hype. This is a viral illness that has potential to kill even healthy people. It is the responsibility of the local government to dissuade too much tourism right niw but instead they are flagging them to come up here. They are not wearing face masks, congregati g, crowding into small unventilated places. The disease is spreading. How about slowing some of that down? What's your big idea?
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 28 2020, 06:53AM
Cricket thanks for bring up those talking points, before they are issues. Alfresco seemed to be the treatment along with separation for the virus. Yip the evening weather will be cooling and throwing a wrench in dinning outside. The Ski areas closed once who knows they may not even open. Like long term valley locals that felt this place is an island separate from flatland BS and that only one or two cases but then the numbers are exploding in this stew pot.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 28 2020, 06:54AM
Big Bear City
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24
Big Bear Lake
32
0
Sugarloaf
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Fawnskin
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[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 28 2020, 08:01PM
63 Cases Now. 25 Big Bear City, 33 Big Bear Lake, 5 Sugarloaf.
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BillyJean, Tue Jul 28 2020, 09:39PM
I believe the logic is more along the lines of, if they're coming up anyway, let's do what we can to spread people out more and give them additional space to social distance. Not so much "accommodate", as much as social distancing while supporting local businesses so they don't all shut down. I'm afraid this is the new norm for a while so we should probably get used to it.
As far as masks go, there's a million out there, the ones with the valve are pretty pointless, they fully open when you exhale. But, if they help protect better than zero percent, well, that's better than nothing right? Generally, it helps keep you to you and me to me. IF, there's no harm in wearing one and it helps even the slightest bit then why not.
NShore.Allen, Mon Mar 02 2020, 03:56PM
The Costco stores in north OC are sold out of bottled water (all sizes), toilette paper (all brands) and 50# bags of rice.
"Hand Sanitizer" is unavailable from any source as is rubbing alcohol. My bride said a customer bought all the wet ones (several cases) at our local Target.
Anyone out there need basic dust masks for your business (painters, contractors..)?? What are you doing?
People are going crazy.. Imagine when the real calamity occurs.
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Van, Mon Mar 02 2020, 06:01PM
I made the mistake of going to Costco yesterday to pick up my regular stuff because it was the first day I could get there in the past week and it was absolute mayhem. It didn't occur to me why it was that crazy until after I left. We haven't been able to buy dust masks for a month now so everyone gets a $40 respirator instead when we are doing demo. Its very annoying.
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MrOwl, Mon Mar 02 2020, 06:03PM
Sheeple are stupid
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Deb Doodah, Mon Mar 02 2020, 08:16PM
We had to order toilet paper from Amazon because our Sams Club was completely sold out. This is just nuts. Why the TP?
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BBNona, Mon Mar 02 2020, 09:09PM
I’m with you Deb! Can’t understand what the deal is with TP and Purell, hot water and soap are stlll effective!!
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SrRaceFan, Tue Mar 03 2020, 04:59AM
Toilet paper is cheaper than tissues like Kleenex, etc.?
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 03 2020, 05:52AM
Best part is....antiBACTERIAL (Purell) does nothing against a VIRUS.....dumb sheeple everywhere.
These "dust" masks are really not effective either according to the CDC....
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CoyotePass, Tue Mar 03 2020, 09:10PM
Shhhhhhh . . No one tell but Dollar Tree is where I bought a pack of dust masks awhile back. Yeah 10 for a dollar. Course they're probably made in China:)
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CoyotePass, Tue Mar 03 2020, 09:15PM
Um, and why bottled water? The odds of the entire municipal water system going down because of this is slim.
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Dave™, Tue Mar 03 2020, 09:28PM
Deb Doodah⭐ wrote ...
We had to order toilet paper from Amazon because our Sams Club was completely sold out. This is just nuts. Why the TP?
We had to order toilet paper from Amazon because our Sams Club was completely sold out. This is just nuts. Why the TP?
Shsssh, Deb. Sharon found TP at Staters up here today. Don't tell anybody.
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Mar 04 2020, 06:14AM
Lmao.
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cricket, Thu Mar 05 2020, 06:42AM
Serious question here. I wonder how the vacation rentals are cleaning their inventory? I will see a hoard of people stay next door for several days...big party and lots of drunken shenanagins. Then they check out and when the cleaner comes they spend 20 minutes.
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Deb Doodah, Thu Mar 05 2020, 05:45PM
Well I’m not proud to say Chino Hills (my dth city) made the news today. I guess the hoarding of tp and water bottles became a little too much for the shoppers and the police had to be called.
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NShore.Allen, Thu Mar 05 2020, 05:48PM
Or this. [Click Here]
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Airport Razz, Sat Mar 07 2020, 06:34AM
Can't speak directly for the others in town but with past history I would say that majority of the vacation owners/cleaning crews are doing NOTHING towards this. My crew on the other hand have been made sick numerous times just from regular cleaning. Having the flu 3-4 times a year is no fun. Nothing like pulling the comforter crammed into the washing machine to find it covered with vomit. Soooo, a long time ago our cleaners are supplied with disposable gloves, they have access to good Quality dust masks (at least as long as my supply lasts, could get interesting), and we have a nice supply of lysol which the beds, baths, and surfaces get hit with. BTW strongly recommend reading use instructions. For a long time we were not aware that manufacturer recommends leaving surfaces 'wet' for min 3 minutes before further wiping. Changes the way you clean BIG TIME. Just be diligent, thorough and do what you Mother taught you to do. Wash your hands, don't touch your face, cover your sneezes and coughs, and if you are sick, if at all possible stay the heck home. Follow this and I think the human race will survive this which is just another checkmark on the things that are,were going to wipe us out. Hang in there folks.
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Socalman, Sat Mar 07 2020, 03:43PM
Yesterday we made our usual early-in-the-month Costco trip. I had to laugh at the guy who had 10 cases of water stacked on a regular, not flatbed, cart and then was told he could only have two! I sort of understand the run on toilet paper. If you are self-quarantined for 2 weeks, that is sort of an essential you want to have.
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Socalman, Sat Mar 07 2020, 03:45PM
To further add to the covid-19 story, it turn out a local middle school has had a student test positive for the virus. One of the neighbor kids attends that school. Guess we won't be over to their house for coffee for a few months!
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Juliann, Sun Mar 08 2020, 06:13AM
Socalman wrote ...
To further add to the covid-19 story, it turn out a local middle school has had a student test positive for the virus. One of the neighbor kids attends that school. Guess we won't be over to their house for coffee for a few months!
To further add to the covid-19 story, it turn out a local middle school has had a student test positive for the virus. One of the neighbor kids attends that school. Guess we won't be over to their house for coffee for a few months!
I hadn’t heard that there was a LA County case of the virus. But now that I’ve looked it up, I realize there are at least 14. Most have come from having traveled to other countries.
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CoyotePass, Sun Mar 08 2020, 10:29PM
I'm almost out of rice so I stopped at Staters to get some and a few other things on the way home. There was no plain white rice on the shelf, none. I had to settle for a big bag of jasmin rice. Really people, you had to buy ALL the rice! I have Celiac Disease so I go through a lot of rice, but you had to buy every freaking bag! When the hysteria is over what are you gonna do with all that rice huh?
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Skier, Mon Mar 09 2020, 08:36AM
CoyotePass wrote ...
I'm almost out of rice so I stopped at Staters to get some and a few other things on the way home. There was no plain white rice on the shelf, none. I had to settle for a big bag of jasmin rice. Really people, you had to buy ALL the rice! I have Celiac Disease so I go through a lot of rice, but you had to buy every freaking bag! When the hysteria is over what are you gonna do with all that rice huh?
I'm almost out of rice so I stopped at Staters to get some and a few other things on the way home. There was no plain white rice on the shelf, none. I had to settle for a big bag of jasmin rice. Really people, you had to buy ALL the rice! I have Celiac Disease so I go through a lot of rice, but you had to buy every freaking bag! When the hysteria is over what are you gonna do with all that rice huh?
Maybe they're going to a wedding?
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Socalman, Mon Mar 09 2020, 11:10AM
Good one Skier!
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Socalman, Mon Mar 09 2020, 11:11AM
I hadn’t heard that there was a LA County case of the virus. But now that I’ve looked it up, I realize there are at least 14. Most have come from having traveled to other countries.
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It turns out that the young who tested positive has a parent who is a healthcare worker and had been exposed, obviously passing it on to the young man.
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CoyotePass, Mon Mar 09 2020, 11:42AM
Must have been a really big wedding. My plan is to do an ISO post on local FB groups in a month when the hysteria has died down and buy a couple bags for half price. The odds are good most of the people who bought the rice don't even know how to make non-instant rice anyway.
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NShore.Allen, Mon Mar 09 2020, 02:18PM
Picked up a case of wine on sale at Costco. The checker said "if you can't get water then get the wine". I replied "as soon as the city supplies wine out of the faucet, I'll have to get it in bottles". She laughed, sort of.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Mon Mar 09 2020, 03:11PM
I just rinsed and filled a half dozen 2 liter bottles waiting for recycling. It's funny how the faucet still works. I'll put them on ebay for 5 bucks each.
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MrOwl, Mon Mar 09 2020, 03:41PM
Line was out the door at the Post Office and a man commented it was the bottled water line. I said probably the TP line.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Mar 09 2020, 06:09PM
CDC
[Click Here]
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BootsNBridles, Mon Mar 09 2020, 06:49PM
Folks. Stop panicking. If the store is out of what you want ask when they get their delivery and show up then. We are OFTEN out of staples after big weekends. This is standard behavior.
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CoyotePass, Mon Mar 09 2020, 07:13PM
They've never been out of 20lb bags of white rice in my 20 years up here, let along ALL bags of white rice with a sign on the empty shelves that said something to the effect of we apologize but demand for this product is high. Not panicking by any means, but annoyed by the stupidity of it all and the fact that my diet which is rice heavy for good reason is being upended by this stupid hysteria.
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Benny ⭐, Mon Mar 09 2020, 09:20PM
NShore.Allen wrote ...
Picked up a case of wine on sale at Costco. The checker said "if you can't get water then get the wine". I replied "as soon as the city supplies wine out of the faucet, I'll have to get it in bottles". She laughed, sort of.
Picked up a case of wine on sale at Costco. The checker said "if you can't get water then get the wine". I replied "as soon as the city supplies wine out of the faucet, I'll have to get it in bottles". She laughed, sort of.
Ask and yee shall receive!!!
[Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Mon Mar 09 2020, 09:23PM
BootsNBridles wrote ...
Folks. Stop panicking. If the store is out of what you want ask when they get their delivery and show up then. We are OFTEN out of staples after big weekends. This is standard behavior.
Folks. Stop panicking. If the store is out of what you want ask when they get their delivery and show up then. We are OFTEN out of staples after big weekends. This is standard behavior.
You have got to be kidding me, now there's a rush on staples??? Emergency arts & crafts???
In all seriousness, I went to Vons today to shop, no craziness and everything stocked, just a normal day. If everyone would just keep doing what you normally do with shopping and what not, we'd all be fine. They were out of hand sanitizer, I noticed that, but wasn't looking for it.
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 05:55AM
The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the World Health Organization and no one bats an eye....this all just media hysteria...
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Airport Razz, Tue Mar 10 2020, 07:33AM
Well with the democratic party race in such shambles and they have already picked Sleepy Joe and Bernie Stalin to the bones, what else do they have to keep themselves busy?????
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MrOwl, Tue Mar 10 2020, 08:32AM
If your Corona has a virus...
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 11:13AM
Alright one more and I'm done...
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Mtngoat John⭐, Tue Mar 10 2020, 12:43PM
Message signs on I-15 in Utah
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 10 2020, 01:03PM
Fun little experiment, courtesy of mythbusters!
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Christopher, Tue Mar 10 2020, 01:21PM
Just for general consumption... On any given day the healthcare system in the US has about 330,000 beds available. Less than 1% of those are suitable for isolation of infectious diseases, and that doesn't take into account the number of ventilators needed, masks, etc.
It's currently taking about 6 days for each outbreak of the Wuhan Virus to double. Conservative estimates are that we'll have around 4 mil cases by Mid-May. That alone will overwhelm our capacity to treat people.
Massachusetts' number of cases more than doubled OVERNIGHT last night, with an almost 10% hospitalization rate.
Here's a sobering read:
[Click Here]
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Van, Tue Mar 10 2020, 02:10PM
It really bugs me that somehow some members of the conservative media have grabbed on to the idea that this is a liberal hoax. The facts are the facts and this is NOT similar to the flu in many ways. There is a period of incubation of around 5 days and maybe as much as 10 days where someone has the virus and doesn't show symptoms. The flu is most infectious after the patient exhibits symptoms. That will make this virus spread more efficiently. Also the flu has a vaccine which millions take to lessen the severity of the infection. There is currently no vaccine for this virus and there will not be for at least a year if not more. If we are looking at an infection rate of 30-40% of the population and only 2% need advanced medical care that is 2 million people overwhelming our healthcare providers. Older people and people with underlying health problems are at a greater risk to die from this and its all of our responsibility to try to limit its spread so these people don't suffer the consequences. Viruses mutate as well so things might change for the better or worse but we HAVE to be prepared to take this seriously. If not this one which looks bad, for sure we should be prepared for the next one which could be worse.
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 02:54PM
Van wrote ...
It really bugs me that somehow some members of the conservative media have grabbed on to the idea that this is a liberal hoax. The facts are the facts and this is NOT similar to the flu in many ways. There is a period of incubation of around 5 days and maybe as much as 10 days where someone has the virus and doesn't show symptoms. The flu is most infectious after the patient exhibits symptoms. That will make this virus spread more efficiently. Also the flu has a vaccine which millions take to lessen the severity of the infection. There is currently no vaccine for this virus and there will not be for at least a year if not more. If we are looking at an infection rate of 30-40% of the population and only 2% need advanced medical care that is 2 million people overwhelming our healthcare providers. Older people and people with underlying health problems are at a greater risk to die from this and its all of our responsibility to try to limit its spread so these people don't suffer the consequences. Viruses mutate as well so things might change for the better or worse but we HAVE to be prepared to take this seriously. If not this one which looks bad, for sure we should be prepared for the next one which could be worse.
It really bugs me that somehow some members of the conservative media have grabbed on to the idea that this is a liberal hoax. The facts are the facts and this is NOT similar to the flu in many ways. There is a period of incubation of around 5 days and maybe as much as 10 days where someone has the virus and doesn't show symptoms. The flu is most infectious after the patient exhibits symptoms. That will make this virus spread more efficiently. Also the flu has a vaccine which millions take to lessen the severity of the infection. There is currently no vaccine for this virus and there will not be for at least a year if not more. If we are looking at an infection rate of 30-40% of the population and only 2% need advanced medical care that is 2 million people overwhelming our healthcare providers. Older people and people with underlying health problems are at a greater risk to die from this and its all of our responsibility to try to limit its spread so these people don't suffer the consequences. Viruses mutate as well so things might change for the better or worse but we HAVE to be prepared to take this seriously. If not this one which looks bad, for sure we should be prepared for the next one which could be worse.
You essentially just described the Flu (or a virus)...
The "flu vaccine" is not anywhere near 100% effective and is only the best guess at what the most common Flu virus will be...
The only difference with this Virus is the Upper Respiratory infection component.
Aside from panicking here is how you should react.. [Click Here]
Never said it was a hoax...just blown way out of proportion....by ALL media.
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Van, Tue Mar 10 2020, 03:48PM
Here's a good article that describes it better from National Geographic
[Click Here]
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 04:13PM
It's a strain of the flu...millions of people recover from that scary virus every year...
Remember SARS or Swine Flu....panic then crickets. Here we are again..
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Van, Tue Mar 10 2020, 04:23PM
I hate arguing with people in the interwebs but its actually not a strain of the flu, its more related to the common cold and that really doesn't matter. there are lots of viruses that are related that affect people completely differently. I'm not saying everyone should be hysterical and buy extra toilet paper and rice but people need to be aware and react accordingly. South Korea has provided an excellent example of how to handle this disease correctly.
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 10 2020, 05:51PM
I mean CDC is reporting it as closer to influenza A and B than a cold but what do they know...
I mostly compare it to that because the Flu, which happens yearly, has killed and infected tens of thousands more. Yet we don't shut down campuses, raid grocery stores, or cancel flights. We go on with our lives.
My main point is that this hysteria is ridiculous and it is just further fueled by media and misinformation.
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 10 2020, 08:30PM
Yeah it's a little blown up, albeit serious in some cases. I'm sure quite a few have actually had it come and go with not even realizing what they had. Unfortunately, this is why it's still randomly spreading.
If it weren't for social media, we would probably wouldn't know much about it, aside from what the news knows...
I think we're almost to the hump, newer cases are starting to go down, especially in China, though it could still spread like wildfire in the US if we're not extra careful.
Thankfully we're coming out of flu season in general and hopefully everyone is taking all the extra precautions to limit the spread, washing hands more often, etc.
Based on the seriousness of this new strain, I wouldn't be surprised if they have the vaccine ready by next flu season. There's a couple medical companies with a potential vaccine already, which is in it's testing(trials) phase. That's the part that could take a year+, unless the fda helps move it along.
I heard the flu vaccine this year was only good against maybe half the strains out there, which is better than nothing I guess. But I seem to get sick more often when I've had the flu shot in the past, so I abstain.
Thankfully the mortality rate is still in the 3-4% range (which is higher than the average flu) or we would be having a completely different discussion.
Just be smart about it and don't panic. Fighting over toilet paper is ridiculous.
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BootsNBridles, Tue Mar 10 2020, 08:56PM
Lets just do numbers: Fatality rates: Flu 0.2% Covid19 2.2% Seems pretty simple. The flu has been much more widespread so comparing the higher number of deaths doesn't make it more dangerous. Those of you who want to believe someone is jerking your chain will likely not take precautions. With luck for us you won't spread it before you succumb to it. Hard attitude? You are talking about spreading a deadly virus that can kill people I know and love.
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 10 2020, 09:39PM
BootsNBridles wrote ...
Lets just do numbers: Fatality rates: Flu 0.2% Covid19 2.2% Seems pretty simple. The flu has been much more widespread so comparing the higher number of deaths doesn't make it more dangerous. Those of you who want to believe someone is jerking your chain will likely not take precautions. With luck for us you won't spread it before you succumb to it. Hard attitude? You are talking about spreading a deadly virus that can kill people I know and love.
Lets just do numbers: Fatality rates: Flu 0.2% Covid19 2.2% Seems pretty simple. The flu has been much more widespread so comparing the higher number of deaths doesn't make it more dangerous. Those of you who want to believe someone is jerking your chain will likely not take precautions. With luck for us you won't spread it before you succumb to it. Hard attitude? You are talking about spreading a deadly virus that can kill people I know and love.
Agreed, but panicking and stockpiling toilet paper is not how we get there.
Hopefully this will come to a halt pretty quick and it won't be anywhere nearly as widespread as the regular flu.
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RH_Runner, Wed Mar 11 2020, 05:29AM
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MrOwl, Wed Mar 11 2020, 06:46AM
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Benny ⭐, Wed Mar 11 2020, 10:06PM
As everyone has probably heard by now, things getting a little more serious. NBA season canceled (least of our worries), new travel bans in place and cancellation or postponement of many major scheduled venues, a sign we're taking more drastic measures to stop the spread. There's a chance the President will declare a national emergency in the coming days. Even growing suspicion the Coronavirus is now airborne!
We've all heard all the precautions to take just in case, storing TP not being one of them, tissues maybe. Here are some suggestions from the World Health Organization, including a link to videos and a ton more information! [Click Here]
Current Coronavirus (Covid19) Status: [Click Here]
Basic protective measures against the new coronavirus
Stay aware of the latest information on the COVID-19 outbreak, available on the WHO website and through your national and local public health authority. COVID-19 is still affecting mostly people in China with some outbreaks in other countries. Most people who become infected experience mild illness and recover, but it can be more severe for others. Take care of your health and protect others by doing the following:
Wash your hands frequently
Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water.
Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.
Maintain social distancing
Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Why? When someone coughs or sneezes they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person coughing has the disease.
Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth
Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick.
Practice respiratory hygiene
Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately.
Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.
If you have fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical care early
Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.
Stay informed and follow advice given by your healthcare provider
Stay informed on the latest developments about COVID-19. Follow advice given by your healthcare provider, your national and local public health authority or your employer on how to protect yourself and others from COVID-19.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on whether COVID-19 is spreading in your area. They are best placed to advise on what people in your area should be doing to protect themselves.
Protection measures for persons who are in or have recently visited (past 14 days) areas where COVID-19 is spreading
Follow the guidance outlined above.
Stay at home if you begin to feel unwell, even with mild symptoms such as headache and slight runny nose, until you recover. Why? Avoiding contact with others and visits to medical facilities will allow these facilities to operate more effectively and help protect you and others from possible COVID-19 and other viruses.
If you develop fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical advice promptly as this may be due to a respiratory infection or other serious condition. Call in advance and tell your provider of any recent travel or contact with travelers. Why? Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also help to prevent possible spread of COVID-19 and other viruses.
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BootsNBridles, Wed Mar 11 2020, 10:10PM
It is unknown at this time HOW LONG the virus can live on soft surfaces such as the inside of your elbow if you are wearing long sleeves. - just something to keep in mind.
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Stringfellow, Thu Mar 12 2020, 12:47AM
I sincerely hope that for all the blustering and denial, the folks that have been playing this down for the last few weeks are truly prepared. And I hope you've been telling your friends to be prepared as well, so that we don't have crazy runs on the stores. Whoops, too late?
Okay, Plan B. Let's start working together and bridge the obvious political gap that is keeping people from treating this thing with even the modicum of respect it deserves. It's only going to get worse before it gets better. The situation out of northern Italy is dire, and with the announcement of the lockdown there, tens of thousands of people burned rubber to their vacation homes in southern Italy. In two weeks, we'll be hearing about the spread of the disease there, and their lack of facilities to handle it. Today, the president announced travel restrictions from mainland Europe, STARTING TWO DAYS LATER. Not every American is going to make it back in those two days... but plenty will. And some of those will have unwanted hitchhikers, and there won't be tests waiting at the airports for them. The UK is not part of the restriction, so I'm curious what flights are available from London to the US right now, and exactly how crowded the Tube will be for the next 36 hours. Our time is coming, and besides the strain on hospitals if we don't reel it in, we don't even know the long term effects of this. This strain is literally BRAND NEW. China is finally through the worst of it because they literally welded people into their homes over a month ago. We all know that ain't gonna happen here, so what will it take to make us be serious about it?
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Skier, Thu Mar 12 2020, 07:08AM
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
I mean CDC is reporting it as closer to influenza A and B than a cold but what do they know...
I mostly compare it to that because the Flu, which happens yearly, has killed and infected tens of thousands more. Yet we don't shut down campuses, raid grocery stores, or cancel flights. We go on with our lives.
My main point is that this hysteria is ridiculous and it is just further fueled by media and misinformation.
I mean CDC is reporting it as closer to influenza A and B than a cold but what do they know...
I mostly compare it to that because the Flu, which happens yearly, has killed and infected tens of thousands more. Yet we don't shut down campuses, raid grocery stores, or cancel flights. We go on with our lives.
My main point is that this hysteria is ridiculous and it is just further fueled by media and misinformation.
It's not the media, it's the President who is fueling the hysteria by spreading misinformation and lies. He tried to downplay the outbreak from the very beginning. At one of his rallies he even said it was a hoax.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Mar 12 2020, 07:54AM
Skier wrote ...
It's not the media, it's the President who is fueling the hysteria by spreading misinformation and lies. He tried to downplay the outbreak from the very beginning. At one of his rallies he even said it was a hoax.
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
I mean CDC is reporting it as closer to influenza A and B than a cold but what do they know...
I mostly compare it to that because the Flu, which happens yearly, has killed and infected tens of thousands more. Yet we don't shut down campuses, raid grocery stores, or cancel flights. We go on with our lives.
My main point is that this hysteria is ridiculous and it is just further fueled by media and misinformation.
I mean CDC is reporting it as closer to influenza A and B than a cold but what do they know...
I mostly compare it to that because the Flu, which happens yearly, has killed and infected tens of thousands more. Yet we don't shut down campuses, raid grocery stores, or cancel flights. We go on with our lives.
My main point is that this hysteria is ridiculous and it is just further fueled by media and misinformation.
It's not the media, it's the President who is fueling the hysteria by spreading misinformation and lies. He tried to downplay the outbreak from the very beginning. At one of his rallies he even said it was a hoax.
Please take your TDS back to the political discussions...
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Skier, Thu Mar 12 2020, 08:33AM
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
Please take your TDS back to the political discussions...
Skier wrote ...
It's not the media, it's the President who is fueling the hysteria by spreading misinformation and lies. He tried to downplay the outbreak from the very beginning. At one of his rallies he even said it was a hoax.
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
I mean CDC is reporting it as closer to influenza A and B than a cold but what do they know...
I mostly compare it to that because the Flu, which happens yearly, has killed and infected tens of thousands more. Yet we don't shut down campuses, raid grocery stores, or cancel flights. We go on with our lives.
My main point is that this hysteria is ridiculous and it is just further fueled by media and misinformation.
I mean CDC is reporting it as closer to influenza A and B than a cold but what do they know...
I mostly compare it to that because the Flu, which happens yearly, has killed and infected tens of thousands more. Yet we don't shut down campuses, raid grocery stores, or cancel flights. We go on with our lives.
My main point is that this hysteria is ridiculous and it is just further fueled by media and misinformation.
It's not the media, it's the President who is fueling the hysteria by spreading misinformation and lies. He tried to downplay the outbreak from the very beginning. At one of his rallies he even said it was a hoax.
Please take your TDS back to the political discussions...
Sorry if you think I am injecting politics into this thread but the White House response to this pandemic is extremely important and seeing the way it is being handled is not confidence inspiring. Look at what is happening on Wall Street as evidence.
Btw, as the self appointed hall monitor of thread content, you might want to go back and reprimand the guy who posted this a couple pages back if you don't like politics here.
Well with the democratic party race in such shambles and they have already picked Sleepy Joe and Bernie Stalin to the bones, what else do they have to keep themselves busy?????
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 08:51AM
So-cal-Mts. has worked well for community information and emergency, You can skim the posts disregard political bias opinions. posting real numbers information. Media hype I’m going to go at it like any other emergency issues with media sensation. The site has worked so well for forest fires in the past. You watch hearings you find how mismanaged it has been.
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Benny ⭐, Thu Mar 12 2020, 09:18AM
BootsNBridles wrote ...
It is unknown at this time HOW LONG the virus can live on soft surfaces such as the inside of your elbow if you are wearing long sleeves. - just something to keep in mind.
It is unknown at this time HOW LONG the virus can live on soft surfaces such as the inside of your elbow if you are wearing long sleeves. - just something to keep in mind.
Funny thing about that, I saw people tapping elbows as an alternative to shaking hands, except you should be coughing and sneezing into your elbow!
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Skier, Thu Mar 12 2020, 09:51AM
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 10:06AM
90% of prescription are not made in the United States but in China.
Penicillin has not been manufactured in the United States since 2004
hearing-coronavirus-impact- supply-chain:
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 11:35AM
2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19)
2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV) is a virus that has been identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness. The first detection of COVID-19 occurred in Wuhan, China. Initially it was thought to be animal-to-person transmission, due to the majority of the infected being linked to the animal and seafood market. However, after a growing number of patients having no ties to these markets, it is indicated that person-to-person transmission is occurring. It is unclear at this time how easily the virus is being spread between people. For the most recent situation summaries and updates please visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention web page.
Symptoms and Complications
The symptoms of COVID-19 infection range from little to no symptoms, to individuals being severely ill and dying. Some symptoms of COVID-19 include, but are not limited to:
• Fever
• Cough
• Shortness of breath
Currently the CDC believes that symptoms appear in as little as 2 days or as long as 14 days after being exposed. These times are based off of the previous incubation period of MERS viruses.
Transmission
Coronavirus es come from a large family of viruses that are commonly found in different animal species such as camels, cattle, cats, and bats. It is rare for a coronavirus to infect a person, and then spread from that person to another person, such as cases of MERS and SARS.
In the case of person-to-person transmission it is thought to have been transferred via respiratory droplets that are emitted into the air when an infected individuals coughs or sneezes. This is similar to how influenza and other respiratory illnesses are spread. It is important to look at how easily a virus is able to be spread from person-to-person. Some viruses are extremely contagious, such as measles, while others are much less contagious. COVID-19 is being considered a serious public health threat by the CDC, however, based on the current information, the immediate health risk to the general public in America is considered low for the time being.
Prevention and Treatment
Currently there is no vaccine to prevent COVID-19. The best prevention is avoiding the virus as much as possible. The CDC also always recommends everyday preventative measures be taken to help prevent the virus being spread. These measures include:
• Hand washing often with soap and water for no less than 20 seconds.
• If access to soap and water is not available, the use of alcohol base sanitizer is recommended.
• Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth without first washing your hands.
• Avoid contact with sick individuals
• Stay home if you are sick
• Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then immediately dispose of the tissue in the trash.
• Clean and disinfect surfaces and objects that are frequently touched as much as possible.
By having these everyday habits you can help to prevent the spread of several different viruses, including COVID-19.
San Bernardino County Department of Public Health
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 11:39AM
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BBVSD
his is an important message from Dr. Mary Suzuki, Superintendent:
On February 27, 2020, San Bernardino County Department of Public Health reports there are no confirmed cases of Novel Coronavirus in San Bernardino County. As of February 27, 2020, there are 33 positive cases in California. At this time, we believe the health risk to our students in our schools is low; however, we will continue to take necessary precautions to control the spread of all infectious diseases. We will continue to communicate with the San Bernardino County Superintendent of Schools, San Bernardino County Department of Public Health, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for current updates.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 12 2020, 11:41AM
What is a coronavirus?
[Click Here]
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SSJ2012, Thu Mar 12 2020, 02:28PM
So if I reading the information on the virus correctly, the virus is more dangerous to those who are over the age of 50. People under 25 aren’t in any real danger other than passing the virus to other people.
But the crazy thing is seeing lines of people waiting to get into Costco today! Here we’re closing major gatherings but forcing elderly people to wait in lines for food and medications. This is going to make it much worse since younger people aren’t really showing symptoms. Are there any food delivery services the operate in mountain for the elderly who high risk to get their food?
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu Mar 12 2020, 03:37PM
So the best disinfectant as long as it's not where you would ingest it would be denatured alcohol. At your local Home Depot/Lowes/Ace/Crown... Oops, not anymore...
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu Mar 12 2020, 04:13PM
On a different track, are there any dental hygienists out there that want to comment on their upcoming calendar? I'm due in three weeks.
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Jellylorum, Thu Mar 12 2020, 05:13PM
InstaCart delivers in Big Bear. Per news reports, they have a new program, allowing drop off on the porch.
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BootsNBridles, Thu Mar 12 2020, 07:11PM
It is probably good for us to remember that there are no CONFIRMED cases of Covid-19 in SB County. But until recently there weren't any doctors performing the test and even now it's impossible to find somewhere that has a test. So there COULD be Covid-19 cases here but since they've not been tested they don't count! Social distancing and good hygeinic habits for everyone!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Mar 13 2020, 07:49AM
Toilet paper
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47Ronin, Fri Mar 13 2020, 01:09PM
My sister lives in San Pedro and she is having a hard time finding toilet paper! I actually had to mail her some today. She has an immune compromised daughter with anemia and I worry so much for them. Hope this crap is over soon.
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Cornbread, Fri Mar 13 2020, 01:33PM
Psychic Sylvia Browne was on Montrell Williams back in 2008. Here is a prediction she made.
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MtMan, Fri Mar 13 2020, 03:03PM
Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone, paper towels almost gone. Someone told me they heard that people from down the hill are coming up here just to hoard the toilet paper. This is insane. Even if you get the damn virus, it is a respitory illness not the other end. Mass hysteria is contagious. I am not going to say where we bought our paper because you locals should already know, not going to spread the news in case flatlanders are lurking. Plenty of snow...
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MtnBluebird, Fri Mar 13 2020, 03:17PM
I am wondering about the reasoning behind thinking the summer will make the virus go away on it's own. I see that warm equatorial countries are reporting cases...
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MtMan, Fri Mar 13 2020, 05:46PM
The following from someone called Otto Yang. He is an MD at UCLA, specializes in Infectious Diseases (https://www.uclahealth.org/otto- yang? fbclid=IwAR1l1JWIgunF3wcSMcyESVo90- kXqLaFQM6rtgHSTV-xjzvtzUOuLtD-1zk) Here is one of his posts on his FB page and it looks legit to me. So, don't bite my head off, just passing on what seems to be good info:
COVID-19 update:
I've seen so much misinformation making the rounds, and increasing panic, so I thought I'd share my thoughts in follow-up to my earlier posts. The situation is continuing to evolve, but overall nothing has changed drastically from my prior posts.
Transmission and protecting yourself: All RELIABLE data to date still indicate that the virus is carried in respiratory droplets from infected persons who cough/sneeze and NOT aerosol. What this means is that the virus doesn't float through the air and you don't get infected by breathing the same air as an infected person. To get infected, a person has to cough forcefully in your face so that droplets land directly on susceptible cells in your eyes, nose, or mouth. Alternatively, the droplets with virus land on a surface, you touch that surface, and you touch your face. This means that unless you are directly in close contact with an infected person, no mask is necessary (e.g. walking in public places where you are several feet away from others). If you're in a crowded area face to face with others, a regular mask may be appropriate (with eyewear). The mask isn't acting as a filter; it is acting as a shield against droplets.
So that also means an N95 is not needed. It is no more useful as a shield than a regular mask. One thing that HAS changed since my last posts is that authorities are relaxing about healthcare professionals wearing N95 masks. The Canadian CDC for example is requiring only normal masks in hospitals (unless the patient is getting a high risk procedure that generates a lot of aerosol) and normal isolation rooms without negative airflow. Our own CDC as well as local public health authorities are also considering downgrading their current isolation protocols. There are reassuring reports, such as two airplane passengers with COVID-19 on a 15 hour flight who did not transmit to anyone on the plane.
Bottom line: You don't need an N95, and you don't even need a regular mask. You might consider a regular mask if you will be in very crowded areas especially around international travelers, and if you are at higher risk for serious illness.
Who is at risk for serious illness? The data are clear that age is a major factor. Mortality takes off rapidly starting around age 40-50. Still, as I discussed earlier, current mortality estimates appear to be quite high, and true mortality is probably much lower due to underdiagnosis of mild cases. Best guess now is that overall 80% of people have mild illness not requiring hospitalization. About 5% will have very severe illness. This is overall; again age is a huge factor. No children under 10 have died according to a large case series from China (with the caveat that their reports are not always reliable). What will the final overall mortality rate be? It seems highly likely that it will be south of 1% (versus the current media reports of >3%). Perhaps 0.5% or less? We'll see. But it's not like the 1918 Spanish flu that had a mortality that some estimated to be as high as 10%.
Besides masks, handwashing and surface decontamination are absolutely essential. It's not clear how long the virus lives on a surface, although people are citing very detailed exact numbers.... We don't know, but it's moot. Who cares? Treat every surface like it could have virus. Again, bleach or lysol-type wipes and sprays are extremely effective. Hand sanitizer should have at least 60% alcohol; soap and water are better if you can wash your hands. If stores are sold out, buy rubbing alcohol and mix it with a moisterizer like aloe gel at a ratio of 1 part to 2 parts alcohol (66% alcohol).
Should you stop going to public places and events? General rule: If you can control your distance from other people and decontaminate things you have to touch, it's probably OK. Again, the virus doesn't float in aerosol. So, if you go to a gym and can wipe stuff down and you can keep a distance from people, that's probably fine. Going to a punk concert where people are slam dancing... not so much. And again, this has to be weighed with personal risk, including your age. Diabetes, chronic lung disease, and cardiovascular disease are also significant risks for severe disease. Weigh all this in your decision. Also remember, you need to protect those around you, and that is a matter of personal responsibility. You want to protect not only yourself, but everyone you know who may be exposed to you, and weigh that in your risks too.
There has been a document "from Stanford" floating around. It demonstrates a dangerous trend, which is mixing true useful information that comes from reliable sources with total nonsense. Washing hands? Yes, absolutely. Gargling with saline? Not useful. Taking deep breaths to see if you have lung fibrosis? Nonsense that is not even worthy of being on House MD. Drinking water every 15 minutes to wash the virus into your stomach where it is killed by acid? Makes absolutely no sense; once a virus hits a cell it will stick and enter quickly. This is only useful for causing you to pee every 15 minutes. Garlic? Nope. Essential oils? Nope. Bleach? Drinking bleach is a good way to die. Sesame oil? Smells nice but won't help.
What's on the horizon for treatment? Right now, treatment is "supportive care," which means providing oxygen and breathing artificially if you can't breathe well enough, until your body recovers naturally. The virus causes an inflammatory process in the lungs that impairs their ability to exchange oxygen. If the inflammation gets very bad, your body can develop shock, with low blood pressure and multiple organ failure, which is the common "sepsis" syndrome seen with any overwhelming infection. As for specific treatment, the most promising agent now is a drug that was being developed to treat SARS before it disappeared, called remdesivir. It blocks an enzyme used by the virus to reproduce its genetic material. A few major medical centers are involved in clinical trials of this drug (I am the principal investigator who has enrolled UCLA in a trial), and the company with this drug (Gilead) has a program to issue the drug as a "compassionate use" agent, i.e. a doctor can request it for desperate cases, although my understanding is that Gilead is being overwhelmed with these requests and it may be hard to get.
A big unknown that has not been discussed much in the press is seasonality. The other coronaviruses (including SARS) tend to be most active in fall-winter months and wane dramatically in spring-summer. SARS in fact totally disappeared, never to return (again all expectations and predictions). I doubt this virus will disappear, but we may see a dramatic decline when the weather warms; it's too early to say if we'll be this lucky.
In the meantime, we all need to take personal responsibility to slow its spread. We won't stop it, but we may reduce the number of cases and save many lives. Even if in the worst case scenario we can't reduce the number of cases, just slowing it down will be very helpful. The problem in Italy now, where there aren't enough ventilators for patients and they are dying in the hallways, is that too many cases have presented all at once. If we slow it down so that the cases we get are spread out over time, that will prevent our health system from being overwhelmed in that way. It's like releasing water from a dam; a controlled flow is manageable but a sudden onslaught is not.
Above all, be rational and don't panic. We'll get through this. Hopefully our CDC will step up and overcome its completely inadequate management of surveillance and testing thus far, and private companies will bring testing online to make up for this egregious shortcoming of CDC leadership. This information will be crucial for our dealing with this.
If people have questions, I can try my best to answer them. If I don't know the answer, I will tell you, and try to find an expert who does.
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MtMan, Fri Mar 13 2020, 08:08PM
All schools closed for BVUSD.
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Benny ⭐, Fri Mar 13 2020, 09:08PM
MtnBluebird wrote ...
I am wondering about the reasoning behind thinking the summer will make the virus go away on it's own. I see that warm equatorial countries are reporting cases...
I am wondering about the reasoning behind thinking the summer will make the virus go away on it's own. I see that warm equatorial countries are reporting cases...
Absolutely viruses still spread in the summer months, but as a general rule during the colder winter months, people's immune systems tend to get worn down more. And when it's cold out or during bad weather, it drives people indoors, in closed/close quarters, increasing the potential for spread.
During the warmer months, people get outdoors more and spread out a little bit, lessening the threat & spread, which is why winter is always "flu season". But people still get and spread the cold & flu any month.
No real science to it, just human pattern....
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MrOwl, Sat Mar 14 2020, 08:09AM
MtMan wrote ...
Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone, paper towels almost gone. Someone told me they heard that people from down the hill are coming up here just to hoard the toilet paper. This is insane. Even if you get the damn virus, it is a respitory illness not the other end. Mass hysteria is contagious. I am not going to say where we bought our paper because you locals should already know, not going to spread the news in case flatlanders are lurking. Plenty of snow...
Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone, paper towels almost gone. Someone told me they heard that people from down the hill are coming up here just to hoard the toilet paper. This is insane. Even if you get the damn virus, it is a respitory illness not the other end. Mass hysteria is contagious. I am not going to say where we bought our paper because you locals should already know, not going to spread the news in case flatlanders are lurking. Plenty of snow...
When you have a run on TP just order the booty washer
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wisteria1, Sat Mar 14 2020, 09:46AM
"Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone"
I got an email this morning that all of the Albertson's company stores (including Vons) are instituting purchase limits to stop the hoarders.
But I'm completely baffled by the specific run on TP. If you don't have any friends or neighbors who would be willing to pick up a pack for you and leave it on your doorstep if you asked, you're likely so socially isolated that you don't have enough human contact to be at much of a risk.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 14 2020, 10:11AM
wisteria1 wrote ...
"Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone"
I got an email this morning that all of the Albertson's company stores (including Vons) are instituting purchase limits to stop the hoarders.
But I'm completely baffled by the specific run on TP. If you don't have any friends or neighbors who would be willing to pick up a pack for you and leave it on your doorstep if you asked, you're likely so socially isolated that you don't have enough human contact to be at much of a risk.
"Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone"
I got an email this morning that all of the Albertson's company stores (including Vons) are instituting purchase limits to stop the hoarders.
But I'm completely baffled by the specific run on TP. If you don't have any friends or neighbors who would be willing to pick up a pack for you and leave it on your doorstep if you asked, you're likely so socially isolated that you don't have enough human contact to be at much of a risk.
Yeah that stinks, literally. And the sad part is, if it were in stock then ok, they buy one, go out to the car come back in, go to another checker and buy another. Just get what you need people, we won't run out if you just do what you've always done!
It's a stretch, but if people are coming up to hoard our stuff, I would start carding at the door(s), residents only into grocery stores!
Probably not realistic but geeze!
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SSJ2012, Sat Mar 14 2020, 01:54PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Yeah that stinks, literally. And the sad part is, if it were in stock then ok, they buy one, go out to the car come back in, go to another checker and buy another. Just get what you need people, we won't run out if you just do what you've always done!
It's a stretch, but if people are coming up to hoard our stuff, I would start carding at the door(s), residents only into grocery stores!
Probably not realistic but geeze!
wisteria1 wrote ...
"Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone"
I got an email this morning that all of the Albertson's company stores (including Vons) are instituting purchase limits to stop the hoarders.
But I'm completely baffled by the specific run on TP. If you don't have any friends or neighbors who would be willing to pick up a pack for you and leave it on your doorstep if you asked, you're likely so socially isolated that you don't have enough human contact to be at much of a risk.
"Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone"
I got an email this morning that all of the Albertson's company stores (including Vons) are instituting purchase limits to stop the hoarders.
But I'm completely baffled by the specific run on TP. If you don't have any friends or neighbors who would be willing to pick up a pack for you and leave it on your doorstep if you asked, you're likely so socially isolated that you don't have enough human contact to be at much of a risk.
Yeah that stinks, literally. And the sad part is, if it were in stock then ok, they buy one, go out to the car come back in, go to another checker and buy another. Just get what you need people, we won't run out if you just do what you've always done!
It's a stretch, but if people are coming up to hoard our stuff, I would start carding at the door(s), residents only into grocery stores!
Probably not realistic but geeze!
Apparently Italy is doing just that, 1 resident is allowed to go to the market and they are limited to how much they get. We should do that here before it gets too insane and those who need the items the most don’t go without. Personally, our family has always been stocked well in case of an earthquake or snowstorm. We may end up just using that until calm as returned.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 14 2020, 05:18PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Absolutely viruses still spread in the summer months, but as a general rule during the colder winter months, people's immune systems tend to get worn down more. And when it's cold out or during bad weather, it drives people indoors, in closed/close quarters, increasing the potential for spread.
During the warmer months, people get outdoors more and spread out a little bit, lessening the threat & spread, which is why winter is always "flu season". But people still get and spread the cold & flu any month.
No real science to it, just human pattern....
MtnBluebird wrote ...
I am wondering about the reasoning behind thinking the summer will make the virus go away on it's own. I see that warm equatorial countries are reporting cases...
I am wondering about the reasoning behind thinking the summer will make the virus go away on it's own. I see that warm equatorial countries are reporting cases...
Absolutely viruses still spread in the summer months, but as a general rule during the colder winter months, people's immune systems tend to get worn down more. And when it's cold out or during bad weather, it drives people indoors, in closed/close quarters, increasing the potential for spread.
During the warmer months, people get outdoors more and spread out a little bit, lessening the threat & spread, which is why winter is always "flu season". But people still get and spread the cold & flu any month.
No real science to it, just human pattern....
Actually there is science to it. :-) I was reading a statement from a researcher at the Univ of Hong Kong who is widely respected as an expert with Coronavirus. He said that this virus doesn't replicate well in warm humid environments. I don't want to quote exact without going back and looking up numbers but he gave the science for it. AND yes he also said that combined with the viruses normal preference for cool (not cold) temps that people tend to be in enclosed spaces during the winter leading to higher infection rates in the winter.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 14 2020, 05:22PM
World Health Organization has a page of Coronavirus Myth Busters. I dont' know how to paste the relevant info here but this is the address: [Click Here]
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CoyotePass, Sat Mar 14 2020, 06:18PM
MtMan wrote ...
Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone, paper towels almost gone. Someone told me they heard that people from down the hill are coming up here just to hoard the toilet paper. This is insane. Even if you get the damn virus, it is a respitory illness not the other end. Mass hysteria is contagious. I am not going to say where we bought our paper because you locals should already know, not going to spread the news in case flatlanders are lurking. Plenty of snow...
Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone, paper towels almost gone. Someone told me they heard that people from down the hill are coming up here just to hoard the toilet paper. This is insane. Even if you get the damn virus, it is a respitory illness not the other end. Mass hysteria is contagious. I am not going to say where we bought our paper because you locals should already know, not going to spread the news in case flatlanders are lurking. Plenty of snow...
Casue you know, those flatlanders are gonna drive 3 or 4 hours on freeways and mountain roads from L.A. or SD or OC JUST to buy all our TP.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 14 2020, 06:55PM
CoyotePass wrote ...
Casue you know, those flatlanders are gonna drive 3 or 4 hours on freeways and mountain roads from L.A. or SD or OC JUST to buy all our TP.
MtMan wrote ...
Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone, paper towels almost gone. Someone told me they heard that people from down the hill are coming up here just to hoard the toilet paper. This is insane. Even if you get the damn virus, it is a respitory illness not the other end. Mass hysteria is contagious. I am not going to say where we bought our paper because you locals should already know, not going to spread the news in case flatlanders are lurking. Plenty of snow...
Went to Vons this morning, toilet paper completely gone, paper towels almost gone. Someone told me they heard that people from down the hill are coming up here just to hoard the toilet paper. This is insane. Even if you get the damn virus, it is a respitory illness not the other end. Mass hysteria is contagious. I am not going to say where we bought our paper because you locals should already know, not going to spread the news in case flatlanders are lurking. Plenty of snow...
Casue you know, those flatlanders are gonna drive 3 or 4 hours on freeways and mountain roads from L.A. or SD or OC JUST to buy all our TP.
Unfortunately they do strange things. I've seen it over and over again. They come up here and buy things they can easily buy at their homes and carry them packed into their cars back down the hill. Go into any of the stores here on a weekend and look. Go into KMart and look during holidays. It's amazing to me but it does happen - as strange and illogical as it is.
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WaveSlider, Sat Mar 14 2020, 10:45PM
Sorry to hear my money is no good in BB.
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Mtncwby, Sun Mar 15 2020, 07:36AM
With the closure of the resorts I'm hoping we get a break from the visitors so we can feed and take care of our OWN families. Big bear simply can't handle all the tourists. ... Let's go back to the 70s when it was a lot more calm.
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Jellylorum, Sun Mar 15 2020, 08:59AM
San Bernardino County recommendations may mean some events, meetings, etc. may be cancelled or modified.
Their announcement is viewable here:
[Click Here]
The guidelines from the State of California, which SBCO is also endorsing, are here:
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Jellylorum, Sun Mar 15 2020, 09:23AM
Big Bear Fire Department posted the following on their Facebook page Saturday at 5:11 pm.
A message from us on the Coronavirus (Covid-19).
We are following CDC guidelines and working with Bear Valley Community Hospital in preparation for any cases on the mountain that may present itself.
Changes in 9-1-1 care that you can expect during these unique times:
-Dispatch will ask specific questions to help identify if the patient is showing signs and symptoms of the virus
-Only one crew member may approach the door and escort the patient outside to the ambulance
-Obviously if more than one crew member is needed for assistance, this will happen
-A mask will be placed on the patient
-Transport to BVCH will be done and the patient will be quarantined and tested
With the schools and ski resorts closed, hopefully Big Bear can avoid any cases, or at least limit the number of cases. Please wash your hands and drink plenty of water.
Thank you!
***
They stated in comments that the hospital is prepared to handle all cases (including some that may need ventilators). The most serious cases, may be transferred.
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RH_Runner, Sun Mar 15 2020, 10:14AM
Went to Stater's in Arrowhead this morning. They were letting shoppers in and out of one door only and there were probably 25 carts/shoppers waiting in line to get in! Thankfully, I only needed two items, so I just left.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 11:02AM
Let the memes begin!
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BootsNBridles, Sun Mar 15 2020, 11:08AM
WaveSlider wrote ...
Sorry to hear my money is no good in BB.
Sorry to hear my money is no good in BB.
Please don't take this personally. It's a crisis situation. Things are different. If you think about how limited the resources are in Big Bear and how many people live here and may need those resources, you can see how limiting visitors makes sense. I am pretty darn sure that NONE of our visitors would appreciate it if all of Big Bear descended on their local stores and wiped them clean.
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Mtngoat John⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 11:28AM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Let the memes begin!
Let the memes begin!
Coronavirus Pandemic, day 3.
If anyone is still out there, I’m alive but struggling. Food is running low. Down to only 770 days worth. My hands are sanitized and my butt is super clean. Power still on, but for how long? Missing human interaction. I fear dark days ahead. News is all bad. Last few friends have leaped from buildings to their death, (or near death... most have single story homes so they are badly bruised). Basic necessities are gone though. MLB NBA NHL NASCAR NCAA all gone. Oh did I mention MLB.. Basic Survival is a definite challenge without it. I am a survivor! Please, if there is life out there, communicate!
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Jellylorum, Sun Mar 15 2020, 11:37AM
[quote]
Let the memes begin!
I've been transitioning to eBooks, but I still have several hundred paper books. I'm set with book pages for TP, if necessary. If I run out of firewood, I could burn them, a la Fahrenheit 451.
Uh-oh. I need to memorize one of them, so I can become a Living Book.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 01:21PM
First case of novel coronavirus recorded within county
San Bernardino County today recorded its first case of novel coronavirus. The case appeared in a Kaiser Fontana patient who returned from London, U.K., sometime last week. The test was administered by Quest Diagnostics on Thursday, March 12. The results were reported to the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health today.
The patient, a 53-year-old female, presented herself to the Kaiser Fontana emergency department on March 12 with symptoms consistent with COVID-19. The County Department of Public Health is working to identify the patient's contacts to monitor them for signs and symptoms of the illness and to take measures to prevent transmission. As should always be the case, people experiencing symptoms of contagious illness should seek medical guidance, not attend work or school, and avoid unnecessary contact with other people.
"We knew it was only a matter of time before we recorded our first case," said Acting County Health Officer Dr. Erin Gustafson. "This does not change our level of readiness and alert because the county is in a state of emergency, we are prepared from a public health standpoint, and our residents, cities, businesses and other key communities have been informed about safe practices."
"The health risk from COVID-19 to the general public in San Bernardino County remains low at this time, but everyone is strongly urged to engage in practices that reduce the risk of spread," Dr. Gustafson said.
"While this patient and her loved ones are in our thoughts and prayers, we want to commend the community for its strength and resilience in the face of this challenge," said Board of Supervisors Chairman Curt Hagman. "Avoiding panic and heeding the advice of public health professionals is the path that will lead us through this crisis."
On Tuesday, March 10, the County Public Health Officer and the Board of Supervisors declared a local health emergency to help ensure county government and the public would be prepared for the possibility that coronavirus would appear within the county.
On Thursday, March 12, the County Public Health Officer ordered the immediate cancellation or postponement of gatherings of more than 250 people within the county until further notice. Smaller gatherings should refer to guidance from the California Department of Public Health, which can be found here.
Various appropriate county departments and agencies have been working together since Jan. 25 to prepare for the possible arrival of the virus within the county. That is when the county was notified an aircraft carrying U.S. citizens evacuated from the region in China where the virus had originated might be arriving at Ontario International Airport. The flight was eventually diverted to Riverside County. The County Department of Public Health activated its Department Operations Center on Feb. 13.
As with any virus, especially during the cold and flu season, there are a number of steps you can take to protect your health and those around you:
* As should always be the case, people experiencing symptoms of contagious illness should seek medical guidance, not attend work or school, and avoid unnecessary contact with other people.
* Wash hands with soap and warm water for 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom; before eating; and after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing. If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol.
* Avoid touching eyes, nose or mouth, especially with unwashed hands.
* Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using regular household cleaning spray or wipes.
* N95 masks are not recommended outside a healthcare setting. Surgical masks can be worn by sick individuals to reduce the likelihood of spreading germs to others.
For more information on COVID-19, please call (800) 722-4794 or visit the County Public Health COVID-19 webpage at wp.sbcounty.gov/dph/coronavirus. Information is updated as soon as it is made available.
Anyone with questions or concerns can contact County Public Health at coronavirus©dph.sbcounty.gov.
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Juliann, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:07PM
Mtngoat John
[/quote1584296907 wrote ...
Coronavirus Pandemic, day 3.
If anyone is still out there, I’m alive but struggling. Food is running low. Down to only 770 days worth. My hands are sanitized and my butt is super clean. Power still on, but for how long? Missing human interaction. I fear dark days ahead. News is all bad. Last few friends have leaped from buildings to their death, (or near death... most have single story homes so they are badly bruised). Basic necessities are gone though. MLB NBA NHL NASCAR NCAA all gone. Oh did I mention MLB.. Basic Survival is a definite challenge without it. I am a survivor! Please, if there is life out there, communicate!
[/quote1584296907 wrote ...
Coronavirus Pandemic, day 3.
If anyone is still out there, I’m alive but struggling. Food is running low. Down to only 770 days worth. My hands are sanitized and my butt is super clean. Power still on, but for how long? Missing human interaction. I fear dark days ahead. News is all bad. Last few friends have leaped from buildings to their death, (or near death... most have single story homes so they are badly bruised). Basic necessities are gone though. MLB NBA NHL NASCAR NCAA all gone. Oh did I mention MLB.. Basic Survival is a definite challenge without it. I am a survivor! Please, if there is life out there, communicate!
Love this !!
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MrOwl, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:26PM
Mtngoat John⭐ wrote ...
Coronavirus Pandemic, day 3.
If anyone is still out there, I’m alive but struggling. Food is running low. Down to only 770 days worth. My hands are sanitized and my butt is super clean. Power still on, but for how long? Missing human interaction. I fear dark days ahead. News is all bad. Last few friends have leaped from buildings to their death, (or near death... most have single story homes so they are badly bruised). Basic necessities are gone though. MLB NBA NHL NASCAR NCAA all gone. Oh did I mention MLB.. Basic Survival is a definite challenge without it. I am a survivor! Please, if there is life out there, communicate!
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Let the memes begin!
Let the memes begin!
Coronavirus Pandemic, day 3.
If anyone is still out there, I’m alive but struggling. Food is running low. Down to only 770 days worth. My hands are sanitized and my butt is super clean. Power still on, but for how long? Missing human interaction. I fear dark days ahead. News is all bad. Last few friends have leaped from buildings to their death, (or near death... most have single story homes so they are badly bruised). Basic necessities are gone though. MLB NBA NHL NASCAR NCAA all gone. Oh did I mention MLB.. Basic Survival is a definite challenge without it. I am a survivor! Please, if there is life out there, communicate!
Come on down to Brundage and go skiing...life goes on!
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Ernest T. Bass, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:41PM
Mtngoat John⭐ wrote ...
Coronavirus Pandemic, day 3.
If anyone is still out there, I’m alive but struggling. Food is running low. Down to only 770 days worth. My hands are sanitized and my butt is super clean. Power still on, but for how long? Missing human interaction. I fear dark days ahead. News is all bad. Last few friends have leaped from buildings to their death, (or near death... most have single story homes so they are badly bruised). Basic necessities are gone though. MLB NBA NHL NASCAR NCAA all gone. Oh did I mention MLB.. Basic Survival is a definite challenge without it. I am a survivor! Please, if there is life out there, communicate!
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Let the memes begin!
Let the memes begin!
Coronavirus Pandemic, day 3.
If anyone is still out there, I’m alive but struggling. Food is running low. Down to only 770 days worth. My hands are sanitized and my butt is super clean. Power still on, but for how long? Missing human interaction. I fear dark days ahead. News is all bad. Last few friends have leaped from buildings to their death, (or near death... most have single story homes so they are badly bruised). Basic necessities are gone though. MLB NBA NHL NASCAR NCAA all gone. Oh did I mention MLB.. Basic Survival is a definite challenge without it. I am a survivor! Please, if there is life out there, communicate!
Go Back to your bolt hole you potato head, don't forget to pick us up on the way.
I have ammo to pay my way..............................
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Ernest T. Bass, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:49PM
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Ernest T. Bass, Sun Mar 15 2020, 02:54PM
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Lostinbigbear, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:04PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Let the memes begin!
Let the memes begin!
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Lostinbigbear, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:14PM
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Ernest T. Bass, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:15PM
so sad................
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Lostinbigbear, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:17PM
😳😳😳
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NShore.Allen, Sun Mar 15 2020, 03:41PM
had lift tix for tomorrow but and came up anyway. I wasn't concerned about quickly getting the refund as I figured the resorts had to call a few hundred people. However, got the refund at 10 am!
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HazMatMind, Sun Mar 15 2020, 04:32PM
Hooboy. You know those stories where the uncle of a friend of a friend of a friend wakes up in a hotel bathtub packed in ice to find his kidneys have been harvested?
Someone told me about a multi-forwarded email from a friend of a friend of a friend who knows a person in LAPD. Email sez they are going to quarantine ALL of LA on Tuesday -- no one allowed in or out. Sounds preposterous to me and the logistics alone would be mind-boggling. Fear factor spurs these kind of stories.
However, if you are with the LAPD and know something . . .
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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 06:00PM
HazMatMind wrote ...
Hooboy. You know those stories where the uncle of a friend of a friend of a friend wakes up in a hotel bathtub packed in ice to find his kidneys have been harvested?
Someone told me about a multi-forwarded email from a friend of a friend of a friend who knows a person in LAPD. Email sez they are going to quarantine ALL of LA on Tuesday -- no one allowed in or out. Sounds preposterous to me and the logistics alone would be mind-boggling. Fear factor spurs these kind of stories.
However, if you are with the LAPD and know something . . .
Hooboy. You know those stories where the uncle of a friend of a friend of a friend wakes up in a hotel bathtub packed in ice to find his kidneys have been harvested?
Someone told me about a multi-forwarded email from a friend of a friend of a friend who knows a person in LAPD. Email sez they are going to quarantine ALL of LA on Tuesday -- no one allowed in or out. Sounds preposterous to me and the logistics alone would be mind-boggling. Fear factor spurs these kind of stories.
However, if you are with the LAPD and know something . . .
Yeah that holds some weight (Sarcasm). Pretty unlikely.
It probably came from the LA Mayor ordering a full lockdown on all bars and restaurants, not the city itself.
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MrOwl, Sun Mar 15 2020, 06:44PM
Some places up here running out of propane...WTH?
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SSJ2012, Sun Mar 15 2020, 06:47PM
Benny, Last Sunday we were planning our daughter’s spring break and planning on going to Grand Prix of Long Beach, This Sunday, I’m rationing toilet paper and going through our earthquake supply kit, so nothing at this point sounds crazy.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Mar 15 2020, 09:24PM
MrOwl wrote ...
Some places up here running out of propane...WTH?
Some places up here running out of propane...WTH?
Are you asking or telling? Pretty unlikely, no reasoning for that, not exactly bbq weather. I'm sure Thomas and Ferrellgas are in good shape for filling resident's household tanks.
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SSJ2012, Mon Mar 16 2020, 12:08AM
Low tanks would make sense, people do use the smaller tanks for heaters in winter, being a weekend, they probably just ran out, should be good tomorrow when more deliveries are made.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Mar 16 2020, 07:34AM
California COVID-19 risk screening and testing site
[Click Here]
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Mar 16 2020, 07:54AM
SARS Covid 2002 Bush and 2012 Obama
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Benny ⭐, Mon Mar 16 2020, 06:58PM
The City of Big Bear Lake has daily updates on their status with the Covid-19 Coronavirus. [Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Mon Mar 16 2020, 08:34PM
NEWS
From the County of San Bernardino
[Click Here]
For Immediate Release
March 16, 2020
Second case of novel coronavirus recorded within county.
San Bernardino County today reported its second case of novel coronavirus (COVID-19) in a 54-year-old male with underlying health conditions who had come into contact with persons who had recently traveled from Washington state.
"This case does not change our level of readiness or response and it should not increase alarm among the public," said Acting County Health Officer Dr. Erin Gustafson. "The health risk from COVID-19 to the general public in San Bernardino County remains low at this time, but everyone is strongly urged to engage in practices that reduce the risk of spread."
"We are prepared from a public health standpoint, and our residents, cities, businesses and other key communities have been informed about safe practices," Dr. Gustafson said.
"We continue to commend the community for its strength and resilience in the face of this challenge," said Board of Supervisors Chairman Curt Hagman. "Avoiding panic and heeding the advice of public health professionals is the path that will lead us through this crisis. As more testing is conducted and more results come in, we thoroughly expect to see an increase in the number of reported cases."
The county reported its first case of novel coronavirus on Sunday, March 15, in someone who had recently returned from the United Kingdom.
On Tuesday, March 10, the County Public Health Officer and the Board of Supervisors declared a local health emergency to help ensure county government and the public would be prepared for the possibility that coronavirus would appear within the county and allow flexibility in response.
On Thursday, March 12, the County Public Health Officer ordered the immediate cancellation or postponement of gatherings of more than 250 people within the county until further notice. Smaller gatherings should refer to guidance from the California Department of Public Health.
Various appropriate county departments and agencies have been working together since Jan. 25 to prepare for the possible arrival of the virus within the county. The County Department of Public Health activated its Department Operations Center on Feb. 13.
As with any virus, especially during the cold and flu season, there are a number of steps you can take to protect your health and those around you:
--People experiencing symptoms of contagious illness should seek medical guidance, not attend work or school, and avoid unnecessary contact with other people.
--Wash hands with soap and warm water for 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom; before eating; and after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing. If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol.
--Avoid touching eyes, nose or mouth, especially with unwashed hands.
--Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using regular household cleaning spray or wipes.
--N95 masks are not recommended outside a healthcare setting. Surgical masks can be worn by sick individuals to reduce the likelihood of spreading germs to others.
For information about the coronavirus crisis, visit the County's coronavirus website at [Click Here], email the County at coronavirus©dph.sbcounty.gov, or contact the coronavirus public information line from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday through Friday at 909-387-3911.
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Jellylorum, Mon Mar 16 2020, 09:28PM
Some San Bernardino County facilities are now closed to the public. Included: senior center, library, zoo, planning department, parks, most social services, and Beyond the Bell.
Assistance online and by phone likely to remain available for some departments.
[Click Here]
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Ernest T. Bass, Tue Mar 17 2020, 10:41AM
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 17 2020, 12:27PM
Ernest T. Bass wrote ...
Good one!!!!
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SCM ALERT🚨, Tue Mar 17 2020, 04:44PM
The County of San Bernardino has 2.157 million residents, as of now there are 3 cases reported in our county.
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Jellylorum, Tue Mar 17 2020, 05:23PM
San Bernardino County issues more restrictions, thru April 6 (or later).
[Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Tue Mar 17 2020, 05:32PM
Jellylorum wrote ...
San Bernardino County issues more restrictions, thru April 6 (or later).
[Click Here]
San Bernardino County issues more restrictions, thru April 6 (or later).
[Click Here]
Thanks! We posted that a while ago in News [Click Here] but forgot the throw it in here...
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doo·hick·ey, Wed Mar 18 2020, 11:26AM
There are many comprihesive & interactive maps out there to look at, on total cases reported per local counties, but this quick n dirty one rather shocked me.
For a resort visitor location, we are still at zero. Keep up your vigail BBV!
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BaughHumbug, Wed Mar 18 2020, 12:42PM
And ALL of these areas are within about a 2-hour drive (or less) to us. Please, SB County, restrict mountain access for now!!
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Benny ⭐, Wed Mar 18 2020, 12:45PM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
There are many comprihesive & interactive maps out there to look at, on total cases reported per local counties, but this quick n dirty one rather shocked me.
For a resort visitor location, we are still at zero. Keep up your vigail BBV!
There are many comprihesive & interactive maps out there to look at, on total cases reported per local counties, but this quick n dirty one rather shocked me.
For a resort visitor location, we are still at zero. Keep up your vigail BBV!
Thanks doo! I saw this on ktla too! I imagine these numbers will go through the roof now that additional testing is rolling out. So don't panic when numbers skyrocket through the weekend. Hopefull,y with all these actions we're taking things will stabilize next week and start coming back down.
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BootsNBridles, Wed Mar 18 2020, 12:50PM
Unfortunately number of confirmed cases doesnt' really give us the info we need. Anyone with a sniffle, a cough, or a headache should get tested. A better picture is how many have been exposed. The woman in RS associated with family members before she had symptoms, and they associated with others. It's reasonable to expect more infection just from that source. These numbers are likely to rise quickly just like they did in Italy and France.
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ArchJohn, Wed Mar 18 2020, 03:26PM
Fingers crossed: [Click Here]
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Van, Wed Mar 18 2020, 07:58PM
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Mar 19 2020, 06:08AM
BootsNBridles wrote ...
Unfortunately number of confirmed cases doesnt' really give us the info we need. Anyone with a sniffle, a cough, or a headache should get tested. A better picture is how many have been exposed. The woman in RS associated with family members before she had symptoms, and they associated with others. It's reasonable to expect more infection just from that source. These numbers are likely to rise quickly just like they did in Italy and France.
Unfortunately number of confirmed cases doesnt' really give us the info we need. Anyone with a sniffle, a cough, or a headache should get tested. A better picture is how many have been exposed. The woman in RS associated with family members before she had symptoms, and they associated with others. It's reasonable to expect more infection just from that source. These numbers are likely to rise quickly just like they did in Italy and France.
CDC advises against that...for now. Best you can do is stay home if you feel sick and do not require medical attention. Do not overwhelm the testing facilities.
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Airport Razz, Thu Mar 19 2020, 09:42AM
REPOST from KBHR - KUDOS to these young adults
Big Bear, CA – The Big Bear community is known for its generosity in times of need and now, during the coronavirus pandemic, Big Bear High School students are reacting by volunteering their time for our local high risk population. The high school chapter of Rotary’s Interact Club students will shop and deliver groceries particularly for senior citizens, pregnant women and Moms of newborns. The idea was suggested by student, Noah Ocon, and the Interact members quickly agreed. Interact Advisor, Julann Warren, will coordinate the logistics of the effort. Students will be trained on health protocols to keep them and others safe and will wear Interact t-shirts to identify them. Any community member over the age of 65, or at high-risk due to other issues, may utilize this free delivery service. If you, or someone you know, could benefit, or if you would like to volunteer to assist Interact or have food and goods you wish to donate, contact Julann Warren at 562-335-9339.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 19 2020, 12:52PM
Dumb ass link
[Click Here]
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Mar 19 2020, 03:40PM
Yeah they have become susceptible (young ones) as of recent.
Boots, I like to think of the total cases per county similar to watching a sporting event's scoreboard. It's the top of the pyramid final result at end of each day and informs us what we are really dealing with.
LA 192
OC 50
San Bern 5
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Last I looked
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Mar 19 2020, 04:12PM
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Mar 19 2020, 05:29PM
Big Bear schools closed until May 1
Judi Bowers Mar 19, 2020 Updated 54 min ago 0
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Beat Valley Unified School District is joining San Bernardino County districts and will remain closed through May 1
The decision was made March 19 during a meeting with all San Bernardino County school superintendents.
During the school closures, Bear Valley Unified will continue to provide distance learning for all students. All students are expected to participate in the distance learning opportunities to master new content at their grade level and in their coursework. Teachers will provide instruction online to support ongoing student learning.
For those who have not contacted their child’s teacher or principal, do so immediately via email or your teachers’ preferred method of communication. Bear Valley Unified wants its students to continue to learn new content and be successful.
Nutrition services will continue through March 27 and will resume on April 13. Meals can be picked up between 11 and 11:45 a.m. The district plans to extend meal delivery to the elementary bus stops. The dates and times for delivery at elementary bus stops will be posted online and on the Bear Valley Unified School District website at [Click Here].
Check the district app, Facebook page, district website and school websites for updated information. Bear Valley Unified will continue to provide information.
District officials extend their sincere appreciation to the Big Bear community and families for their patience and flexibility.
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BillyJean, Thu Mar 19 2020, 05:56PM
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MrOwl, Fri Mar 20 2020, 06:53AM
My corona
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Mar 20 2020, 10:22AM
Butcher's Block customers and friends,
As this COVID-19 (Coronavirus) continues to change daily, we at Butcher's Block are taking some steps to insure the health and safety of our employees, our families and our customers. Below are the actions we have taken to help combat the spread of the virus.
*Reducing our store hours to:
7am-4pm Monday - Friday
8am-4pm Saturday
8am-2pm Sunday
**Please know that we have been extra diligent in keeping our counters, doors and keypads as well as the entire store in general wiped down and clean.
***If you or someone you know has been sick or possibly exposed, PLEASE DO NOT come into the store. You can call us and place an order by phone and pay by credit card. We will have someone prepare your order and have it ready at a designated time/place to pick up.
As of right now, we are staying open to continue serving the needs of our community. If that changes or we are told that we must close, we will notify you immediately. We feel the most important thing is to stay home if you or someone close to you is sick. We will let you know as things change.
Thank you for your patience and understanding during this time.
Butcher's Block
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MtMan, Fri Mar 20 2020, 11:03AM
Well, the song was funny until he just had to make it political.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Mar 20 2020, 04:45PM
recommend the general population to seek medical help at their nearest emergency room hospital.
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San Bernardino County public health officials reported four news cases of coronavirus on Friday afternoon, bringing the county's total of confirmed cases to nine. The county has not yet reported any fatalities as a result of COVID-19.
Lana Culp, spokesperson for the county health department, declined to provide more information about the people who tested positive for the virus.
County officials expect more cases to emerge as more tests results are reported, they said in a statement.
Acting county health officer Dr. Erin Gustafson urged people to comply with Gov. Gavin Newsom's statewide stay-at-home order to reduce transmission of the virus. The state reported 1,006 positive cases and 19 deaths, as of Friday afternoon.
“These orders are not intended to spark panic, but rather reduce the spread of infection and minimize the number of people who get sick at any one time to keep our healthcare system functioning," Gustafson said in a statement. “We must assume and behave as if the virus is everywhere."
An unused testing vial for coronavirus sits on a table at a drive-up testing site in Indian Wells, Calif., on Wednesday, March 18, 2020. © Taya Gray/The Desert Sun An unused testing vial for coronavirus sits on a table at a drive-up testing site in Indian Wells, Calif., on Wednesday, March 18, 2020.
In nearby Riverside County, there were 28 confirmed cases of coronavirus as of Friday afternoon, 16 of which were reported from the Coachella Valley.
Of the 28 cases, four were fatal, and all were residents of the Coachella Valley, according to county spokesperson Brooke Federico.
This story is developing. Check back for updates.
This article originally appeared on Palm Springs Desert Sun: Coronavirus update: San Bernardino County reports 4 new cases, bringing total to 9
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Jellylorum, Fri Mar 20 2020, 05:02PM
Call the ER first!
They will instruct you on how to proceed. They may have you use a particular entrance, they may wish to meet you at the car and escort you inside.
Apparently somebody here in Big Bear did not call first, and ER staff had a meltdown. Per Facebook..
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Mar 20 2020, 05:12PM
Four new cases of novel coronavirus recorded within county
Published March 20, 2020 | By Administrator
San Bernardino County today reported four news cases of novel coronavirus (COVID-19). The county now has a total of nine confirmed cases and no deaths attributable to the disease.
The county reported its first case on Sunday, March 15. Additional cases are expected to emerge as more test results are reported to the County.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom and the State Public Health Officer on Thursday issued a statewide stay-at-home order with exceptions for essential tasks and services. See details here: [Click Here].
“Complying with public health orders is essential to our continued health and safety,” said Acting County Health Officer Dr. Erin Gustafson. “These orders are not intended to spark panic, but rather reduce the spread of infection and minimize the number of people who get sick at any one time to keep our healthcare system functioning.”
“We must assume and behave as if the virus is everywhere,” Dr. Gustafson said.
On March 10, the County Public Health Officer and the Board of Supervisors declared a local health emergency to help ensure county government and the public would be prepared and allow flexibility in response.
Various county departments and agencies have been working together since Jan. 25 to prepare for the possible arrival of the virus within the county. The County Department of Public Health activated its Department Operations Center on Feb. 13.
As with any virus, especially during the cold and flu season, there are a number of steps you can take to protect your health and those around you:
People experiencing symptoms of contagious illness should seek medical guidance.
Persons aged 65 years and older and persons of any age with certain underlying health conditions are at increased risk should they contract COVID-19 and are encouraged to self-quarantine.
Wash hands with soap and warm water for 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom; before eating; and after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing. If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol.
Avoid touching eyes, nose or mouth, especially with unwashed hands.
Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using regular household cleaning spray or wipes.
N95 masks are not recommended outside a healthcare setting. Surgical masks can be worn by sick individuals to reduce the likelihood of spreading germs to others.
For information about the coronavirus crisis, visit the County’s coronavirus website at wp.sbcounty.gov/dph/coronavirus, contact the coronavirus public information line from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday through Friday at (909) 387-3911, or email the County at coronavirus©dph.sbcounty.gov.
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RH_Runner, Sat Mar 21 2020, 07:35AM
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Skier, Sat Mar 21 2020, 08:15AM
NShore.Allen wrote ...
The Costco stores in north OC are sold out of bottled water (all sizes), toilette paper (all brands) and 50# bags of rice.
"Hand Sanitizer" is unavailable from any source as is rubbing alcohol. My bride said a customer bought all the wet ones (several cases) at our local Target.
Anyone out there need basic dust masks for your business (painters, contractors..)?? What are you doing?
People are going crazy.. Imagine when the real calamity occurs.
The Costco stores in north OC are sold out of bottled water (all sizes), toilette paper (all brands) and 50# bags of rice.
"Hand Sanitizer" is unavailable from any source as is rubbing alcohol. My bride said a customer bought all the wet ones (several cases) at our local Target.
Anyone out there need basic dust masks for your business (painters, contractors..)?? What are you doing?
People are going crazy.. Imagine when the real calamity occurs.
I had a unopened box of 20 N95 masks on hand. Yesterday my wife mailed them to our daughter's friend who works at Cedars Sinai hospital as a nurse. She said they are completely out of masks and have been told they need to provide their own. Currently they are sharing masks with coworkers or going without. So sad and infuriating that they cannot get the supplies they need.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 21 2020, 11:11AM
So, I've got to say this out loud because it’s becoming too big of a coincidence to not. The more I talk to people the more it becomes comes obvious this virus has already been going around for months.
Food for thought, there's a strong possibility many of us have already had this flu when it went around back in January/early Feb., before we knew it was a thing.
In early February I had all those symptoms, fever, trouble breathing, etc., and I don't have asthma. But I went to the doctor per the norm, got meds and within a week or two it moved on and I returned to normal life, thinking it was just the 'big bear crud' going around.
Don't be amazed when the # of cases spike as we play catchup with testing, and don't panic, but the fact LA and NYC are no longer trying to contain it makes you scratch your head.
There might be a few that think I'm crazy, but those of you that had the crud in previous months, seriously think about it. Talking to family, friends, and colleagues, we all had the same symptoms.
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moco, Sat Mar 21 2020, 12:07PM
Interesting my wife and I were looking back at our texts and we had the same symptoms back around February 11. Daughter had it too but. Got better super fast, as a teen.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 21 2020, 12:20PM
moco wrote ...
Interesting my wife and I were looking back at our texts and we had the same symptoms back around February 11. Daughter had it too but. Got better super fast, as a teen.
Interesting my wife and I were looking back at our texts and we had the same symptoms back around February 11. Daughter had it too but. Got better super fast, as a teen.
Yeah see, I had it around Feb 3rd... I think the more people think back, they'll realize wow, it's been here awhile and we're all ok!
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Squatch, Sat Mar 21 2020, 01:09PM
Mrs SQUATCH and I both had "the Crud" back around Dec or Jan, had many of the same symptoms described with this virus.
Looking back, who knows what crud we had but makes you think, took much longer than usual to kick this thing, aprox 14+ days with a lingering cough...
FYI - We both work from our home and didn`t venture out while sick in case anyone is wondering!
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NShore.Allen, Sat Mar 21 2020, 01:59PM
the good news: if there is a large population that has experienced the virus and fully recovered, they carry anti-bodies. This is a crucial element in creating treatments and vaccines.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 21 2020, 02:10PM
NShore.Allen wrote ...
the good news: if there is a large population that has experienced the virus and fully recovered, they carry anti-bodies. This is a crucial element in creating treatments and vaccines.
the good news: if there is a large population that has experienced the virus and fully recovered, they carry anti-bodies. This is a crucial element in creating treatments and vaccines.
Bingo! I hope all the 'experts' realize this.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 21 2020, 04:53PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Bingo! I hope all the 'experts' realize this.
NShore.Allen wrote ...
the good news: if there is a large population that has experienced the virus and fully recovered, they carry anti-bodies. This is a crucial element in creating treatments and vaccines.
the good news: if there is a large population that has experienced the virus and fully recovered, they carry anti-bodies. This is a crucial element in creating treatments and vaccines.
Bingo! I hope all the 'experts' realize this.
oh They do! As soon as more tests become available then even those with minor symptoms can be tested and eventually those with no symptoms will be tested. Then we will really know.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 21 2020, 06:36PM
BootsNBridles wrote ...
oh They do! As soon as more tests become available then even those with minor symptoms can be tested and eventually those with no symptoms will be tested. Then we will really know.
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Bingo! I hope all the 'experts' realize this.
NShore.Allen wrote ...
the good news: if there is a large population that has experienced the virus and fully recovered, they carry anti-bodies. This is a crucial element in creating treatments and vaccines.
the good news: if there is a large population that has experienced the virus and fully recovered, they carry anti-bodies. This is a crucial element in creating treatments and vaccines.
Bingo! I hope all the 'experts' realize this.
oh They do! As soon as more tests become available then even those with minor symptoms can be tested and eventually those with no symptoms will be tested. Then we will really know.
Yeah that's the big question, will they have a way to test down the road to see if you've had it in the past, and would it matter? For curiosity's sake I s'pose, it would be interesting to see how far and wide this really went. I'm sure for many of us, it's already come and gone without even realizing it.
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abitsquirrely, Sun Mar 22 2020, 07:07AM
Wait a minute... I also had some kinda "thing" back in January. Sudden onset of stiff neck, shortness of breath, low fever, total lack of appetite. It lasted two weeks and was over as fast as it started. My daughter had mild symptoms of stomach flu, no appetite. Hers lasted two weeks also. BTW, I'm 74 and my daughter is 50, both in good health. The Dr. (up here) said to both of us "must be something going around". Little did he know......
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Around The Lake, Sun Mar 22 2020, 09:58AM
Thank you for your post as it dose give you time to pause to think for a moment. Yes the “Big Bear Crud” was definitely making its rounds late Nov and throughout December and even in to feb. the resorts where reviving a lot of call in for sick days. I am not convinced that this epidemic is much different. Yes unfortunately there are people passing away from this and if you or somebody you know has passed away from this or pneumonia or the flu it is truly a tragedy. But the true numbers show the infection rate versus the death rate are extremely different. All I can say is I am as well as most of the state as well as people all over the world may be at “stay in place “ orders. This is definitely a wake up call . We definitely need to bring back a lot of manufacturing to the US and stop relying on China. Stay safe and be kind to each other
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Airport Razz, Mon Mar 23 2020, 09:09AM
Let me throw this out there. You all might just remember that the first few months of 2018 was another devastating round of the Big Bear Crud. problem with it this time was there were a number of people that didn't have the on/off for 3-4 weeks but were dropped to their knees and home bound for 6-8 weeks. I remember coming home from work New Years Eve, going to bed and not coming back to the office until March. Ended up on an inhaler thanks to that little bought. Didn't have enough air in my lungs to climb into my truck. And there wasn't the periods of feeling OK before crud attacked. This one was full on and again, didn't feel like the flu. HMMMMMMMMMMMM
Side thought, if these oddball sicknesses were something to do with CoronaVirus, then maybe there is possibility we might have something of an immunity like a vaccine. Hope hope hope
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SSJ2012, Mon Mar 23 2020, 01:26PM
[Click Here]
Press release from county on STR
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CoyotePass, Tue Mar 24 2020, 10:46AM
The biggest, most blatant irony of all for me in this whole panic is that the resulting global recession, which has already begun, will claim far far far more lives than this virus. Recessions are deadly, particularly for those who's incomes were marginal to begin with.
"A 2016 study by researchers at Imperial College London found that the last global financial crisis caused 500,000 cancer deaths worldwide between 2008 and 2010. They found a correlation between each percentage increase in unemployment, and an uptick in cancer deaths.
Another study in 2014 by University of Oxford researchers found over 10,000 suicides tied to the Great Recession in the U.S., Canada and Europe. The two studies referenced above found 510,000 deaths directly tied to the Great Recession."
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 24 2020, 11:04AM
CoyotePass wrote ...
The biggest, most blatant irony of all for me in this whole panic is that the resulting global recession, which has already begun, will claim far far far more lives than this virus. Recessions are deadly, particularly for those who's incomes were marginal to begin with.
"A 2016 study by researchers at Imperial College London found that the last global financial crisis caused 500,000 cancer deaths worldwide between 2008 and 2010. They found a correlation between each percentage increase in unemployment, and an uptick in cancer deaths.
Another study in 2014 by University of Oxford researchers found over 10,000 suicides tied to the Great Recession in the U.S., Canada and Europe. The two studies referenced above found 510,000 deaths directly tied to the Great Recession."
The biggest, most blatant irony of all for me in this whole panic is that the resulting global recession, which has already begun, will claim far far far more lives than this virus. Recessions are deadly, particularly for those who's incomes were marginal to begin with.
"A 2016 study by researchers at Imperial College London found that the last global financial crisis caused 500,000 cancer deaths worldwide between 2008 and 2010. They found a correlation between each percentage increase in unemployment, and an uptick in cancer deaths.
Another study in 2014 by University of Oxford researchers found over 10,000 suicides tied to the Great Recession in the U.S., Canada and Europe. The two studies referenced above found 510,000 deaths directly tied to the Great Recession."
DOW is up like 1500 points today....
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CoyotePass, Tue Mar 24 2020, 03:08PM
The DOW gain was in response to a hopeful passage of a stimulus bill. The unemployment numbers come out Thursday. Goldman Sachs is projecting a possible 2.25 million or more new jobless claims in the next few weeks. That's a gigantic number in a very short time period. That's going to hit like a ton of bricks; unemployed people don't spend money.
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Airport Razz, Tue Mar 24 2020, 03:33PM
Except for booze, cigs and drugs. They always seem to have money for those necessities. That isn't going to recharge our economy.
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ArchJohn, Wed Mar 25 2020, 11:33AM
Good news from New York; social distancing is working and the curve is starting to flatten:
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CoyotePass, Wed Mar 25 2020, 02:50PM
Here's the thing Airport. I'm now unemployed from the hotel industry, and who knows for how long. I went to the grocery store yesterday and one of my purchases was the biggest bottle of vodka I can afford. Now I don't smoke and I don't do drugs but if you think I'm gonna get through this without alcohol you're freaking nuts. For the sake of my neighbors and society in general vodka and coffee are a must, food is optional.
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Airport Razz, Wed Mar 25 2020, 03:44PM
CP, Trust me, I fully understand the why. Have been down in the portion of the gutter before and a lot of your time is spent just ignoring and looking the other way at your plight. Sometimes it is just a challenge to make to the next day with some assemblence of sanity. CHEERS Re: virus pandemonia
HazMatMind, Wed Mar 25 2020, 06:01PM
A song for these times by the great Richard Thompson.
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BootsNBridles, Thu Mar 26 2020, 10:18AM
A small Italian town, 3000 people, was the epicenter of covid-19 in Italy. How did they manage to stop the virus in it's tracks? Sounds like we could do this pretty easily! [Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Sat Mar 28 2020, 12:28AM
San Bernardino County to release coronavirus data by city when it hits 100 cases [Click Here]
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Airport Razz, Sat Mar 28 2020, 06:31AM
BNB, even with the mayor a statistic, our officials both city and county don't have the balls to take the steps necessary to protect our valley from the catastrophe. At this point even 2nd home owners should have to show absolute necessity to utilize their mountain property. I'm not ready for Marshal Law but it is an inevitability due to the inability of the American society to follow simple requests. To much 'It Isn't About Me' or 'That Rule Can't Be For Me' for it to not happen. We see it every major weekend and holiday up here. People just doing stupid crap because it just isn't about them.
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BBNona, Sat Mar 28 2020, 08:17AM
Thanks for the article Boots.. very interesting
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ArchJohn, Sat Mar 28 2020, 01:43PM
When are we going to start seeing results of staying-at-home and social distancing? It would seem to be about two weeks from that time, which is supposed to be the virus' incubation period.
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BootsNBridles, Sat Mar 28 2020, 02:21PM
ArchJohn wrote ...
When are we going to start seeing results of staying-at-home and social distancing? It would seem to be about two weeks from that time, which is supposed to be the virus' incubation period.
When are we going to start seeing results of staying-at-home and social distancing? It would seem to be about two weeks from that time, which is supposed to be the virus' incubation period.
They are already reporting a flattening of the curve in places where they, are you ready? TESTED for the virus two weeks ago! We have no way of knowing how well it's working since we have no idea how many are actually sick. Lets just think about the valley. Looking at the last census figures there's approx 17,000 people in the entire Valley. The county estimates about 8% as an infection rate. That means that 1,360 people in our valley potentially have Covid-19. HOWEVER we have no idea if there are more, or less, or more are being infected or less BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET TESTED.
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Cap'n Crunch, Mon Mar 30 2020, 08:05AM
Fortunately, this message didn't come from Mrs. Crunch.
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MrOwl, Mon Mar 30 2020, 08:40AM
Funny Cap'n
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Mar 30 2020, 09:47AM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
San Bernardino County to release coronavirus data by city when it hits 100 cases [Click Here]
San Bernardino County to release coronavirus data by city when it hits 100 cases [Click Here]
We are at 111 cases and 3 deaths. App needs to be installed to read full article. Any data by city yet?
San Bern had drive-thru testing Friday and nearly 400 were tested. Presently, No appointments are being taken. So because of our low totals, is that the reasoning behind keeping us in the dark?
**EDIT: Victorville is said to have the next drive-thru testing 1st week of April.**
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Mar 30 2020, 10:22AM
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Dashboard from sbcounty . gov was already listed on COVID RESOURCES page [Click Here] Thx SCM.
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SDGrandma, Mon Mar 30 2020, 11:29AM
ArchJohn wrote ...
When are we going to start seeing results of staying-at-home and social distancing? It would seem to be about two weeks from that time, which is supposed to be the virus' incubation period.
When are we going to start seeing results of staying-at-home and social distancing? It would seem to be about two weeks from that time, which is supposed to be the virus' incubation period.
An opinion from a person (me) that was around during the Polio epidemic of 1949 . Several of my friends ended up in iron lungs. The same issues of staying away from people especially kids existed and there was so very little information since it had to be on the radio at a certain time or you read it on a flyer that was nailed to a telephone pole. Almost 3 thousand died a lot of them children out of about 43, 000 "known" cases. That is about 16 of every 100 people!
If you are looking for a "date" to be able to go out and join others without worrying about the social distancing I suggest you plan for it around August 2020 then back to social distancing from beginning of November 2020 thru June of 2021! The next two to three weeks will not be pleasant and unless by some miracle there is a medicine readily available I fear the cases will be 4 Xs what they are today.
Testing now is only as good as the day it is done. There are thousands of people that may have it and have no clue just as they have no clue about having the regular flu or strep throat or Hepatitis . Carriers exist for almost every disease with the carrier having no symptoms or reason to think they are carriers. You could be one of them. So you go test tomorrow and then on Wednesday you are now a carrier. Are you going to test every day? So distance between people is the answer for now.
Go visit some neighbors that are on your street by talking to each other at 12 feet apart.....go for a walk. Those are recommended as long as you don;t have a group converging on an area.
Both my son in law and daughter are in Law enforcement and have to work. My daughter has MS but still works. My oldest granddaughter suffers from Crohns disease and I have lungs that look like broken glass due to massive radiation for Cancer in the 70's! Talk about concerns! I am taking care and home schooling the 3 grandkids, cooking and trying my best to stay positive and sane. And praying their parents stay healthy and don't being home any unwelcome presents.
Participating on this site is the highlight of my day. My plan is to nag you all in staying sane and healthy. Think this through and remember you only know what you know and do not know what you do not know. I would suggest that everyone on this planet is in that same boat right now. Anger and frustration take too much of a toil on us. Turn up the music, sing and laugh as often as you can. Where are all you joke tellers when we need you? !bighug
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MrOwl, Mon Mar 30 2020, 11:47AM
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solargardens, Mon Mar 30 2020, 12:52PM
SDGrandma,
I remember the polio epidemic very well as a child in Anaheim.
Walking down Center street seeing children in iron lungs with a donation can at the side.
I will never forget that sight.
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Dave™, Mon Mar 30 2020, 01:01PM
I remember it as well very vividly. It was 1956-57 when we were visiting my mother's parents in Chicago and she ended up in an iron lung. Scared the heck out of this 13 year old but she survived and learned to walk again. Not anything I'd like to go through again!
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SDGrandma, Mon Mar 30 2020, 01:08PM
solar.... you and I are here because someone in our family made sure we followed the rules..... I was in New York City and lived in an apartment , it was summer and you had to stay inside..... nasty, humid, hot ,boring! The Shadow, Hopalong Cassidy, The Lone Ranger on the radio........in the evening.... .I wonder if my parents ever recovered from the insanity of us inside all summer because my brother and I were not angels..... so moving forward to 2020 ..... 71 years later......the weather is different, the entertainment a heck of a lot better..... communication overwhelming....... same instructions stay home stay apart........ It worked then.......
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solargardens, Mon Mar 30 2020, 02:47PM
Yep, Truth, Justice and the American way.
Quite different then.
Still try to live by that message.
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Deb Doodah, Mon Mar 30 2020, 08:55PM
Thank you to you youngsters that are sharing your perspectives and what you learned from the past. We are really spoiled these days and don’t appreciate how good we have it during our house arrest.
. As hard as all of this is on us, I think everyone needs to realize it could be worse, much worse! So, instead of snapping at each other and trying to egg others on, we should all be helping and supporting each other. We are not all going to agree all the time, but respect the differences and get on with living and learning.
So, is there anyone here that needs assistance, that we can help? Maybe a virtual hug or someone to FaceTime with so they know they are not in this alone. Tog their we will get through this guys unless we continue to try and kill each other with negativity and hate.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Mon Mar 30 2020, 10:59PM
Thx Deb, well said! Very beautifully put!
Speaking of eggs and help! Im addition to Teddy Bears Restaurant and Wyatt's at the convention center offering up pantry items, Glazed n’ Amuzed is open on Moonridge as well. They are stocked with milk, eggs, bread, sodas, snacks, etc for the moonridge community!
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Dave™, Tue Mar 31 2020, 09:40AM
That's a name I don't recognize, SCM ALERT. Where exactly is Glazed n' Amuzed?
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BootsNBridles, Tue Mar 31 2020, 11:40AM
If you are feeling too closed in I would recommend reading some of the novels written about the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1918. ONE HUNDRED MILLION people died. An easy to read book that gives a good overview of living in America at that time is A Time of Angels by Hesse. It's a young adults book but the subject matter is anything but. After reading what it could be if we didn't know what we do now it makes staying home and practicing social distancing so much easier!
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 31 2020, 12:16PM
Early numbers are showing a recovery rate of 97.5% in critical patients when using Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin....near full recovery is accomplished on these patients within 5 days of administering the drug combo.
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ArchJohn, Tue Mar 31 2020, 12:37PM
Butler, that is good news. Where did you see this?
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Mar 31 2020, 01:36PM
ArchJohn wrote ...
Butler, that is good news. Where did you see this?
Butler, that is good news. Where did you see this?
Forbes and the Journal. But the numbers are still a bit too small to call it a conclusive victory. We will just have to wait and see, but the early stages of using the drug are a glimmer of hope.
Additionally, there was another article that may help ease the minds of those who are getting nervous about the RNA virus' ability to mutate....
As most of our knowledge of RNA viruses show...when these viruses do mutate they do it so incredibly quick that they tend to grow weaker rather than stronger. It is because these rapid mutations generally do not help the virus and they cannot be reversed by the virus. Additionally, alot of the scientific community agrees that if you have had COVID-19 you probably wont get it again (at least this year)....but most of what we know right now is so new and circumstantial. Just wanted to share a few positive notes instead of the normal panic.
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doo·hick·ey, Wed Apr 01 2020, 10:43AM
Interesting. Dog sniffer testing in UK [Click Here] BBC news.
"If this is proven, the dogs could be used to screen anyone, including those with no symptoms."
and
Cedars-Sinai starts clinical trials w/Remdesivir. [Click Here]
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wisteria1, Wed Apr 01 2020, 05:53PM
Also on the bright side, I've been watching the SB County Dashboard for the last week and one statistic (that I have not seen for other counties) is the number of negative tests performed so far - averaging around 90% (which is pretty darned good since this first round of testing is restricted to Tier 1, medical personnel, first responders, and those showing significant symptoms and a high degree of suspicion for the virus).
But I'll throw this out there as a request - when you're out in public, like grocery stores, please watch your kids extra closely. Small children have no clue on "social distancing" or what 3-6 feet would be and a lot of children (and even some adults I have observed) will pick up and discard 10 candy bars whilst waiting in the checkout line before they choose one.
But gotta love the new giant plexi sneezeguards at checkout at Goodwins - anything to keep those cashiers safe while they bravely sell us our needed "stuff". They're probably exposed to as many cooties as most healthcare workers.
Re: virus pandemonia
ButlerPeakFire, Thu Apr 02 2020, 07:16AM
Another thing to consider here....
My Grandfather who lives in Wisconsin was admitted to the hospital last week. He's 90 years old and became ill with pneumonia/COVID like symptoms. They tested him 3 TIMES! They all came back negative, but they used 3 tests on him. I assume this is somewhat common and I am wondering how many people are being tested multiple times....
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Tlingit, Thu Apr 02 2020, 07:25AM
BPF, it's not common but multiple test happen. Suspected false positive/negative, or incorrect labeling will warrant an additional test. Best to him.
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MrOwl, Thu Apr 02 2020, 07:30AM
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
Another thing to consider here....
My Grandfather who lives in Wisconsin was admitted to the hospital last week. He's 90 years old and became ill with pneumonia/COVID like symptoms. They tested him 3 TIMES! They all came back negative, but they used 3 tests on him. I assume this is somewhat common and I am wondering how many people are being tested multiple times....
Another thing to consider here....
My Grandfather who lives in Wisconsin was admitted to the hospital last week. He's 90 years old and became ill with pneumonia/COVID like symptoms. They tested him 3 TIMES! They all came back negative, but they used 3 tests on him. I assume this is somewhat common and I am wondering how many people are being tested multiple times....
Our 68 year old neighbor also has severe pneumonia and test was negative. She had traveled to Ohio to pick up her sister kicked out of a closing rehab.
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Fri Apr 03 2020, 02:56PM
Well, it's all a little realer today than it was last week. Just made the call to the insurance agent and got my policies on a 60 day waiver. Not sure where to come up with 3 months payment in 60-days not working but at least have 60 days now to figure that out.
Re: virus pandemonia
Cap'n Crunch, Sun Apr 05 2020, 08:56AM
Newport Beach has banned short-term rentals. In an OC Register article today, it showed that some (but not all) tourist beach communities have a much higher rate of Covid infection than inland cities. The average inland rate is 1-3 cases per 10,000 residents. San Clemente was 5.7, Newport Beach 8.0 and Laguna Beach 13.3. Someone who is tracking the stats for Big Bear valley may want to post it's rate for comparison.
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Airport Razz, Sun Apr 05 2020, 09:16AM
News from South Lake Tahoe. Notice from County:
[Click Here]
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NShore.Allen, Sun Apr 05 2020, 09:44AM
Cap'n Crunch wrote ...
Newport Beach has banned short-term rentals. In an OC Register article today, it showed that some (but not all) tourist beach communities have a much higher rate of Covid infection than inland cities. The average inland rate is 1-3 cases per 10,000 residents. San Clemente was 5.7, Newport Beach 8.0 and Laguna Beach 13.3. Someone who is tracking the stats for Big Bear valley may want to post it's rate for comparison.
Newport Beach has banned short-term rentals. In an OC Register article today, it showed that some (but not all) tourist beach communities have a much higher rate of Covid infection than inland cities. The average inland rate is 1-3 cases per 10,000 residents. San Clemente was 5.7, Newport Beach 8.0 and Laguna Beach 13.3. Someone who is tracking the stats for Big Bear valley may want to post it's rate for comparison.
From google search, BB City population (2018 est) 13860 cases = 2 as of 4/3/20 cases per 10,000 = 1.44
BB Lake population 5300, cases = 3 as of 4/3/20 cases per 10,000 = 5.66
With such a small population in Big Bear Lake, just one case makes a large number per 10K
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Sun Apr 05 2020, 10:16AM
Been a while since in Algebra and Statistics but thinking that just a couple more would put us up at the top of the charts. Not a status I would prefer.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Apr 05 2020, 02:41PM
Super easy Razz, refesher:
Number of cases divided by population, times 100.
Re: virus pandemonia
wisteria1, Sun Apr 05 2020, 02:53PM
I noticed that the other day, Cap'n, but West Hollywood/Beverly Hills also have the highest per capita rate in LA County.
The beach communities you mentioned are the most affluent in OC.
Are they really sicker than us normal folks or do they just have better access to health care and "cutting in line" on faster testing? (as has been documented with sports teams, celebrities etc who have been tactless enough to advertise their negative tests in an asymptomatic condition. The rest of us have to be semi-conscious and coughing up frogs in order to qualify for testing).
The statistics are going to be almost uninterpretable until widespread testing is available.
Re: virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Sun Apr 05 2020, 03:30PM
wisteria1 wrote ...
The statistics are going to be almost uninterpretable until widespread testing is available.
The statistics are going to be almost uninterpretable until widespread testing is available.
In California (pop 40,000,000) 126,000 have been tested with 18,000 test backlog. Of the sample set, 12,026 have tested positive, 10.48% rate. However, testing is done to people with symptoms meaning 89% did not have COVID-19. And 126,000 test sample is 0.3% of the population.
It's impossible to draw conclusions from such a small, highly selective sample size (remember, only sick people are tested), the margin of error is larger than the positive test results.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Mon Apr 06 2020, 09:15PM
102 years back in Nineteen Hundred and Eighteen
Re: virus pandemonia
CoyotePass, Tue Apr 07 2020, 06:18PM
Inquiring minds want to know. Does this face mask order mean that the weekenders two doors down who came up two days ago need to be wearing face masks when they play in the back yard and scream their stupid fool heads off. But really since the shelter in place order didn't faze them I doubt this would either. Yeah, I'm a little cranky from all the screaming and dog barking and the freaking back yard light that shines in through my bedroom curtains at night because apparently they're afraid of the boggy man or something. I've watched FOUR of my part time neighbors come and go from their cabins in the last two weeks REPEATEDLY. WTF? Since when does shelter in place mean drive for two or three hours to shelter in place for three days then drive back?
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Benny ⭐, Tue Apr 07 2020, 06:26PM
CoyotePass wrote ...
Inquiring minds want to know. Does this face mask order mean that the weekenders two doors down who came up two days ago need to be wearing face masks when they play in the back yard and scream their stupid fool heads off. But really since the shelter in place order didn't faze them I doubt this would either. Yeah, I'm a little cranky from all the screaming and dog barking and the freaking back yard light that shines in through my bedroom curtains at night because apparently they're afraid of the boggy man or something. I've watched FOUR of my part time neighbors come and go from their cabins in the last two weeks REPEATEDLY. WTF? Since when does shelter in place mean drive for two or three hours to shelter in place for three days then drive back?
Inquiring minds want to know. Does this face mask order mean that the weekenders two doors down who came up two days ago need to be wearing face masks when they play in the back yard and scream their stupid fool heads off. But really since the shelter in place order didn't faze them I doubt this would either. Yeah, I'm a little cranky from all the screaming and dog barking and the freaking back yard light that shines in through my bedroom curtains at night because apparently they're afraid of the boggy man or something. I've watched FOUR of my part time neighbors come and go from their cabins in the last two weeks REPEATEDLY. WTF? Since when does shelter in place mean drive for two or three hours to shelter in place for three days then drive back?
Obivously they're not supposed to be there in the first place, so they're breaking the rulez, unless they're the homeowners, but even still, no common sense. I have a place in the desert I'm dying to go visit, but not literally, so I won't go, just being responsible.
And no, you do not need to wear a mask when outside on your property, just going out in public. So, in theory, yes when you're out walking your dog, etc. Anywhere you could potentially have human interaction. But if you keep your 6ft distance then the mask is not really needed. Just an added level of protection, they'll probably change their minds again tho.
They're worse than the gun stores in LA!
Re: virus pandemonia
CoyotePass, Tue Apr 07 2020, 06:52PM
I had to go to the bank today. I was wearing a beanie cause it was snowing and a face mask. All I could think was three months ago they'd of hit the alarm the second they saw me. Strange days. The order actually says "when leaving home", so technically i suppose I'm supposed to wear it when I'm driving alone in my car too. The devil's in the details.
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NShore.Allen, Tue Apr 07 2020, 10:14PM
I thought about that as well. No longer Is entering a store, bank, post office, with your face covered considered suspicious, it’s required by the Heath dept..
Times, they are a changing.
CoyotePass wrote ...
I had to go to the bank today. I was wearing a beanie cause it was snowing and a face mask. All I could think was three months ago they'd of hit the alarm the second they saw me. Strange days. The order actually says "when leaving home", so technically i suppose I'm supposed to wear it when I'm driving alone in my car too. The devil's in the details.
I had to go to the bank today. I was wearing a beanie cause it was snowing and a face mask. All I could think was three months ago they'd of hit the alarm the second they saw me. Strange days. The order actually says "when leaving home", so technically i suppose I'm supposed to wear it when I'm driving alone in my car too. The devil's in the details.
Re: virus pandemonia
rdoctor, Tue Apr 07 2020, 11:27PM
It's unconstitutional for any government official to force us to shelter in place, close our businesses, or wear a mask. People who easily acquiesce their liberty and freedom deserve the next level of tyranny to follow. I will not comply.
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 01:11AM
I for one support your 'freedom' to not comply and there is a chance that a good portion of the local full time residents of Big Bear will most likely fully support your choice of anarchy but will respectfully request that you do it elsewhere than this valley we love.
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 01:13AM
Play Russian Roulette with your and your families lives away from others that you will impact.
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 01:19AM
Sorry folks, I tried really hard to be quiet today.
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 01:21AM
Hey Doc, you stated It's unconstitutional for any government official to force us to shelter in place, close our businesses, or wear a mask. Ever hear of Marshal Law? This attitude is what is going to cause that to happen and make everyone's life even more of a hell. Enjoy your freedom much? best respect it before it bites in the butt.
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CoyotePass, Wed Apr 08 2020, 07:52AM
While I feel you Doc I've also lived up here long enough to know 2 things: we have people in this town who will call the sheriff at the drop of a hat, and the sheriff up here are less than polite to locals as it is which is my "restrained" opinion. So your choice is to wear the damn mask or get arrested. It completely rubs me the wrong way but it's just me and if I dont get home to feed the dog she'll starve.
Re: virus pandemonia
BootsNBridles, Wed Apr 08 2020, 08:25AM
rdoctor wrote ...
It's unconstitutional for any government official to force us to shelter in place, close our businesses, or wear a mask. People who easily acquiesce their liberty and freedom deserve the next level of tyranny to follow. I will not comply.
It's unconstitutional for any government official to force us to shelter in place, close our businesses, or wear a mask. People who easily acquiesce their liberty and freedom deserve the next level of tyranny to follow. I will not comply.
I understand and agree with the basis. BUT if you are more concerned with 'freedom' then you are with life it won't matter in the long run, will it? Don't be stupid about exercising your choices. In other words don't cut off your nose to spite your face! We KNOW that staying home, and wearing a mask are two simple things that will keep more Americans alive. Personally I'd rather we ALL come through this alive, even you. So be smart. Remind people to be vigilant from the safety of your home. But if you try to come near my property and spread your germs....there's always the second amendment.
Re: virus pandemonia
MrOwl, Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:19AM
My self isolation quarantine diary:
Day 1: I can do this!! Got enough food and wine to last a month!
Day 2: Opening my 8th bottle of wine. I fear wine supplies might not last.
Day 3: Strawberries: Some have 210 seeds, some have 235 seeds. Who knew??
Day 4: 8:00 pm. Removed my day pajamas and put on my night pajamas.
Day 5: Today I tried to make hand sanitizer. It came out as jello shots!!
Day 6: I get to take the garbage out. I'm so excited, I can't decide what to wear.
Day 7: Laughing way too much at my own jokes!!
Day 8: Went to a new restaurant called "The Kitchen" You have to gather all the ingredients and make your own meal. I have NO clue how this place is still in business.
Day 9: I put liquor bottles in every room. Tonight I'm getting all dressed up and going bar hopping.
Day 10: Struck up a conversation with a spider today. Seems nice. He's a web designer.
Day 11: Isolation is hard. I swear my fridge just said, "What the hell do you want now?"
Day 12: I realized why dogs get so excited about something moving outside, going for walks or car rides. I think I just barked at a squirrel.
Day 13: If you keep a glass of wine in each hand, you can't accidentally touch your face.
Day 14: Watched the birds fight over a worm. The cardinals led the blue jays 3-1
Day 15: Anybody else feel like they've cooked dinner about 395 times this month?
Re: virus pandemonia
BBrow, Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:25AM
CoyotePass wrote ...
While I feel you Doc I've also lived up here long enough to know 2 things: we have people in this town who will call the sheriff at the drop of a hat, and the sheriff up here are less than polite to locals as it is which is my "restrained" opinion. So your choice is to wear the damn mask or get arrested. It completely rubs me the wrong way but it's just me and if I dont get home to feed the dog she'll starve.
While I feel you Doc I've also lived up here long enough to know 2 things: we have people in this town who will call the sheriff at the drop of a hat, and the sheriff up here are less than polite to locals as it is which is my "restrained" opinion. So your choice is to wear the damn mask or get arrested. It completely rubs me the wrong way but it's just me and if I dont get home to feed the dog she'll starve.
Joann, I when you goto the bank aren’t you putting people in harms way?
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BBrow, Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:26AM
CoyotePass wrote ...
While I feel you Doc I've also lived up here long enough to know 2 things: we have people in this town who will call the sheriff at the drop of a hat, and the sheriff up here are less than polite to locals as it is which is my "restrained" opinion. So your choice is to wear the damn mask or get arrested. It completely rubs me the wrong way but it's just me and if I dont get home to feed the dog she'll starve.
While I feel you Doc I've also lived up here long enough to know 2 things: we have people in this town who will call the sheriff at the drop of a hat, and the sheriff up here are less than polite to locals as it is which is my "restrained" opinion. So your choice is to wear the damn mask or get arrested. It completely rubs me the wrong way but it's just me and if I dont get home to feed the dog she'll starve.
Joann, I when you goto the bank aren’t you putting people in harms way?
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BBrow, Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:31AM
Joanna when you go out walking your dog, shouldn’t you have a face mask on?
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rdoctor, Wed Apr 08 2020, 10:42AM
There's no severe pandemic as described by the globalist World Health Organization. WHO is an arm of the United Nations which neither are proponents of free world capitalism. COVID-19 is no worse than the flu. Medical statistics confirm this each and every day. What's being witnessed is a political power grab of epic proportion. Our leaders are inept. People's lives are being ruined.
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Squatch, Wed Apr 08 2020, 10:57AM
I tried to point this out in the chatbox yesterday and all of the sheep bashed me! People are so fixated on the virus they don`t even see the power/control grab! And...they`re just getting started! I by far am more concerned about this than getting the virus! Sad, my grand kids will never know freedom as it was and should be, wake up people and start questioning what is going on!
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Squatch, Wed Apr 08 2020, 10:58AM
I tried to point this out in the chatbox yesterday and all of the sheep bashed me! People are so fixated on the virus they don`t even see the power/control grab! And...they`re just getting started! I by far am more concerned about this than getting the virus! Sad, my grand kids will never know freedom as it was and should be, wake up people and start questioning what is going on!
Sorry for the duplicate....didn`t look like it posted the 1st time....
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 11:37AM
So just what would you consider a severe pandemic?
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Airport Razz, Wed Apr 08 2020, 11:37AM
Credentials with response would be helpful here if you want to really make a point
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CoyotePass, Wed Apr 08 2020, 12:29PM
If you're talking to me my name is not, has never been and never will be Joann.
Secondly, if my bank had ATM's like normal banks I would have deposited my cash at an ATM, but they choose to rip them all out when they bought the bank.
Thirdly I was wearing a mask, and amazingly enough the tellers were not so I guess it's a moot point as to who was putting whom in danager.
Fourthly, banking is considered an essential service, so I'm good.
BBrow wrote ...
Joann, I when you goto the bank aren’t you putting people in harms way?
CoyotePass wrote ...
While I feel you Doc I've also lived up here long enough to know 2 things: we have people in this town who will call the sheriff at the drop of a hat, and the sheriff up here are less than polite to locals as it is which is my "restrained" opinion. So your choice is to wear the damn mask or get arrested. It completely rubs me the wrong way but it's just me and if I dont get home to feed the dog she'll starve.
While I feel you Doc I've also lived up here long enough to know 2 things: we have people in this town who will call the sheriff at the drop of a hat, and the sheriff up here are less than polite to locals as it is which is my "restrained" opinion. So your choice is to wear the damn mask or get arrested. It completely rubs me the wrong way but it's just me and if I dont get home to feed the dog she'll starve.
Joann, I when you goto the bank aren’t you putting people in harms way?
Re: virus pandemonia
SDGrandma, Wed Apr 08 2020, 03:22PM
SQUATCH, rdoctor...
I admire your persistence in being in denial. There is a use for that attitude as you do not fear what you do not believe exists. With that strength of conviction, may I ask why you do not volunteer at one of the hospitals dth like at Riverside or San Bernardino? They are in desperate need of regular volunteers to do things like keeping parking lot clean and other items as moving furniture etc. You would be of great help while you can help since you would not believe in using any protective equipment and the ones that are using protective equipment will not catch the Flu, Hepatitis, or other preventable diseases you may be carriers of since they will be protected from you! I assume you do not believe in vaccines or any of kind since those are recommended also by the same people who are recommending you stay home. If you get sick you can refuse any of the trial medicines they have since they are probably not good for you since recommended by the same people who ask that you stay home. Hence I wish not, but you may be one of the casualties at which time you will stay where ever your wishes have instructed your love ones to put you. If you happen to survive a bout with Covid-19 I would hope that your convictions would not prevent you from donating your plasma for a sick veteran -who protected your freedom of speech- and is fighting this Pandemic that does not exist and is not affecting people. The Flu has vaccines and medicine if you get it...Many people still die from it for many reasons but it is somewhat controlled like many other illnesses. This virus FYI is the Flu epidemic of 1918 prior to vaccines and medicine to fight it...just has a different name to it.
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rdoctor, Wed Apr 08 2020, 03:48PM
"When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty."
Thomas Jefferson
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Squatch, Wed Apr 08 2020, 03:59PM
Grandma, 1st of all, I work form my home (we supply repair parts for medical equipment btw, and have been in business since 1999)I have been staying home except to drop del at Fedex or go to the mkt, never said I wasn`t taking precautions, your interpetation!
May I ask what you are doing to assist out there, since you brought it up?
Lastly, you have not addressed the OTHER ISSUES that have been pointed out, other than the virus? This is still the USA and like you I have the right to free speech and the sharing of ideas and points of view.
God bless America!
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Fri Apr 10 2020, 08:44AM
Well now, this theory ain't looking so silly after all. With California twice the population of New York and far less cases, it's sounding like this virus may have already made a run through our state, with many of us likely immune. It's still a little early to get too excited, but a good sign things could slowly return to normal, possibly sooner than later, as early as next month! (May) [Click Here]
So if you're like me and think you had it back in January or February, it's likely you did. Antibody testing should roll out in earnest over the next few weeks, which will allow us to confirm cases and may drastically lower the death rate.
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
So, I've got to say this out loud because it’s becoming too big of a coincidence to not. The more I talk to people the more it becomes comes obvious this virus has already been going around for months.
Food for thought, there's a strong possibility many of us have already had this flu when it went around back in January/early Feb., before we knew it was a thing.
In early February I had all those symptoms, fever, trouble breathing, etc., and I don't have asthma. But I went to the doctor per the norm, got meds and within a week or two it moved on and I returned to normal life, thinking it was just the 'big bear crud' going around.
Don't be amazed when the # of cases spike as we play catchup with testing, and don't panic, but the fact LA and NYC are no longer trying to contain it makes you scratch your head.
There might be a few that think I'm crazy, but those of you that had the crud in previous months, seriously think about it. Talking to family, friends, and colleagues, we all had the same symptoms.
So, I've got to say this out loud because it’s becoming too big of a coincidence to not. The more I talk to people the more it becomes comes obvious this virus has already been going around for months.
Food for thought, there's a strong possibility many of us have already had this flu when it went around back in January/early Feb., before we knew it was a thing.
In early February I had all those symptoms, fever, trouble breathing, etc., and I don't have asthma. But I went to the doctor per the norm, got meds and within a week or two it moved on and I returned to normal life, thinking it was just the 'big bear crud' going around.
Don't be amazed when the # of cases spike as we play catchup with testing, and don't panic, but the fact LA and NYC are no longer trying to contain it makes you scratch your head.
There might be a few that think I'm crazy, but those of you that had the crud in previous months, seriously think about it. Talking to family, friends, and colleagues, we all had the same symptoms.
Re: virus pandemonia
ButlerPeakFire, Fri Apr 10 2020, 08:52AM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Well, now this theory ain't looking so silly after all. With California twice the population of New York and far less cases, it's sounding like this virus may have already made a run through our state, with many of us likely immune. It's still a little early to get too excited, but a good sign things could slowly return to normal, possibly sooner than later, as early as next month! (May) [Click Here]
So if you're like me and think you had it back in January or February, it's likely you did. Antibody testing should roll out in earnest over the next few weeks, which will allow us to confirm cases and may drastically lower the death rate.
Well, now this theory ain't looking so silly after all. With California twice the population of New York and far less cases, it's sounding like this virus may have already made a run through our state, with many of us likely immune. It's still a little early to get too excited, but a good sign things could slowly return to normal, possibly sooner than later, as early as next month! (May) [Click Here]
So if you're like me and think you had it back in January or February, it's likely you did. Antibody testing should roll out in earnest over the next few weeks, which will allow us to confirm cases and may drastically lower the death rate.
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
So, I've got to say this out loud because it’s becoming too big of a coincidence to not. The more I talk to people the more it becomes comes obvious this virus has already been going around for months.
Food for thought, there's a strong possibility many of us have already had this flu when it went around back in January/early Feb., before we knew it was a thing.
In early February I had all those symptoms, fever, trouble breathing, etc., and I don't have asthma. But I went to the doctor per the norm, got meds and within a week or two it moved on and I returned to normal life, thinking it was just the 'big bear crud' going around.
Don't be amazed when the # of cases spike as we play catchup with testing, and don't panic, but the fact LA and NYC are no longer trying to contain it makes you scratch your head.
There might be a few that think I'm crazy, but those of you that had the crud in previous months, seriously think about it. Talking to family, friends, and colleagues, we all had the same symptoms.
So, I've got to say this out loud because it’s becoming too big of a coincidence to not. The more I talk to people the more it becomes comes obvious this virus has already been going around for months.
Food for thought, there's a strong possibility many of us have already had this flu when it went around back in January/early Feb., before we knew it was a thing.
In early February I had all those symptoms, fever, trouble breathing, etc., and I don't have asthma. But I went to the doctor per the norm, got meds and within a week or two it moved on and I returned to normal life, thinking it was just the 'big bear crud' going around.
Don't be amazed when the # of cases spike as we play catchup with testing, and don't panic, but the fact LA and NYC are no longer trying to contain it makes you scratch your head.
There might be a few that think I'm crazy, but those of you that had the crud in previous months, seriously think about it. Talking to family, friends, and colleagues, we all had the same symptoms.
Been saying this for months...
This whole thing is a complete overreaction IMHO....
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Socalman, Fri Apr 10 2020, 09:23AM
I am beginning to concur on the idea that this virus made a good run at us earlier than we knew. Given the very large numbers or tourists and business people from China coming in to California, there is a very good chance this was even on us back in November.
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bearlythere, Fri Apr 10 2020, 10:45AM
Some truth to this, likely was around earlier than we thought and even I had an "odd" cold(?) earlier in December... never had one like that before with a small temperature, tired, light cough and NO sinus problems. Like none. Of course, could blame it on the flu vaccine a month before
Still, even with social distancing, the high body count is undeniable. If there was no social distancing in place and we kept the same protocols in place (as for flu), all across America we would have emptied out our assisted care facilities into mass burial graves. Harsh statement, but that is the reality.
Comparisons to the flu are tricky, the underlying models for determining R0 for flu and Covid-19 are surprisingly ill-formed given the questionable assumptions for onset of being contagious and when symptoms actually present, plus ongoing level of being contagious at a varying curve thoughout the infection not being accounted for. The curves are different for Flu vs. Covid-19, level of contagious should be treated as an integral under that curve.
When reading these research papers, you just end up shaking your head... billions of research dollars and this is what we have? Ugh... sad. Particularly, the silo'd mentality of the WHO and CDC regarding research. Almost a social clique. Actually, that is exactly what it is. Your a member, good. If not, then ignored. Case in point, research papers proved masks worked. Research papers proved aerosol dispersion for virus, research proved 6 foot distancing, research proved that sneezing projects droplets at 60mph and can cover much more than 6 feet, in a closed environment, virus particles can quickly saturate the surfaces and just by walking by them, blow them back up into the air, it goes on and on and on...
Though, after many hours of reading these papers, it is not straight forward and reduction into "newsy" sound bites for public consumption and action is... "nuanced"...
Even given "nuanced", still not that impressed with our scientists understanding what it means to APPLY science with relevancy...
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Airport Razz, Fri Apr 10 2020, 11:45AM
Who knows. Maybe the Big Bear Crud for so many years has gotten the valley 'ready' for this situation. I don't really know of any locals that hasn't had a case of it, if not multiple cases over the years. Maybe Big Bear could be the next Lourdes??
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CoyotePass, Fri Apr 10 2020, 12:20PM
They've been mapping the DNA of COVID 19. Each person it infects can mutate or alter it's DNA from what I understand so the lineage of the virus is more or less traceable. Some of the research suggests this virus started spreading back in September.
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Nature, Fri Apr 10 2020, 12:38PM
Of course it was active in September. Intelligence reported it spreading through Wuhan China in October. At a rate that everyone should be truly concerned.
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BBNona, Fri Apr 10 2020, 07:28PM
I made an appointment next week at Hollywood Urgent Care for antibody testing. Will let you know how it turns out. Heard about it on ABC7
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Benny ⭐, Fri Apr 10 2020, 08:49PM
BBNona wrote ...
I made an appointment next week at Hollywood Urgent Care for antibody testing. Will let you know how it turns out. Heard about it on ABC7
I made an appointment next week at Hollywood Urgent Care for antibody testing. Will let you know how it turns out. Heard about it on ABC7
Cool! I'd like to get it done but I'll wait another week until I get can get done a wee bit closer, somewhere locally.
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abitsquirrely, Sat Apr 11 2020, 06:44AM
OK, I've been lurking far too long. Went to DIY yesterday. A few non-mask wearers. Can't the store forbid them to come in?
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rdoctor, Sat Apr 11 2020, 07:06AM
Had it throughout June. Started out as bad indigestion episodes which were debilitating. Then dry cough, unbelievable fatigue, shortness of breath, headache, low grade fever 99 to 101 degrees for weeks, upper 80s blood oxygenation. Local doctors unable to diagnose after EKG, lung x-ray, full blood panel, urinalysis, and ultrasound.
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NShore.Allen, Sat Apr 11 2020, 09:15AM
How will SB County respond to LA County extending their "stay at home" order?
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CoyotePass, Sat Apr 11 2020, 12:45PM
Why does it matter, they're ignoring the order anyway. Another part time neighbor came up last night and he's a lawyer. Of the seven part time neighbors I've got only one hasn't been up since the order was issued. Four have been up repeatedly and one has apparently decided to ride it all out up here. Extend it, don't extend it, doesn't matter, no one pays attention to it.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 11 2020, 01:03PM
NShore.Allen wrote ...
How will SB County respond to LA County extending their "stay at home" order?
How will SB County respond to LA County extending their "stay at home" order?
Tough to say, although there's was set to expire April 19th, whereas ours goes through the end of the Month. I could see this being extended through May 15th also, but I don't know how much longer after that people will tolerate it. At some point, it will be time to get back to it...
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Airport Razz, Sat Apr 11 2020, 01:12PM
Yep, I have one coming up tomorrow which will be his 2nd trip. And after stating for 1st trip, I WONT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE LOCALS, ILL PACK IN AND PACK OUT. Hmmm, woke up Monday morning with no heat so guess who he had to call. There is no way you can travel up here and NOT have an impact on the local infrastructure. Entitled, the rules don't apply to 'me' and when the hell did they get to be 'better' than us. Not a class race, it's a dumbass race. I did finally get one convinced to stay home with the 3month old baby with 'Its not about you and what you want. The wants of the one cannot supersede the needs of the many.
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BillyJean, Sat Apr 11 2020, 01:24PM
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MtMan, Sat Apr 11 2020, 03:35PM
We have a 2nd home owner next door and they are riding it out up here. They have been here way before the lockdown. Personally, I think that is just fine. I would have done the same thing had we lived down in the sh*thole. Some of you have brought up the ones that keep going up and down, that is not "staying in place" and unfortunately is not being enforced. I have heard some of our friends have been actually pulled over and asked if they had their masks. Really? How about enforcing the law of these rentals being still rented out? Yes, that has slowed down but it is still happening. OK, back to watching old movies with Elvis...
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 11 2020, 03:49PM
MtMan wrote ...
We have a 2nd home owner next door and they are riding it out up here. They have been here way before the lockdown. Personally, I think that is just fine. I would have done the same thing had we lived down in the sh*thole. Some of you have brought up the ones that keep going up and down, that is not "staying in place" and unfortunately is not being enforced. I have heard some of our friends have been actually pulled over and asked if they had their masks. Really? How about enforcing the law of these rentals being still rented out? Yes, that has slowed down but it is still happening. OK, back to watching old movies with Elvis...
We have a 2nd home owner next door and they are riding it out up here. They have been here way before the lockdown. Personally, I think that is just fine. I would have done the same thing had we lived down in the sh*thole. Some of you have brought up the ones that keep going up and down, that is not "staying in place" and unfortunately is not being enforced. I have heard some of our friends have been actually pulled over and asked if they had their masks. Really? How about enforcing the law of these rentals being still rented out? Yes, that has slowed down but it is still happening. OK, back to watching old movies with Elvis...
Hah, was that actually up here MtMan?
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat Apr 11 2020, 04:39PM
Boots meant to post this here...
BootsNBridles
Apr 11 : 04:20pm
Dreamweaver- exactly. And all docs involved in pandemics have said Herd Immunity means 60-65% of the population had it. If even 2% of those had died we would have heard about this bug on every channel. Chances are we had a bad flu season, as suspected.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 11 2020, 04:46PM
SCM ALERT🚨 wrote ...
Boots meant to post this here...
BootsNBridles
Apr 11 : 04:20pm
Dreamweaver- exactly. And all docs involved in pandemics have said Herd Immunity means 60-65% of the population had it. If even 2% of those had died we would have heard about this bug on every channel. Chances are we had a bad flu season, as suspected.
Boots meant to post this here...
BootsNBridles
Apr 11 : 04:20pm
Dreamweaver- exactly. And all docs involved in pandemics have said Herd Immunity means 60-65% of the population had it. If even 2% of those had died we would have heard about this bug on every channel. Chances are we had a bad flu season, as suspected.
One might think that the way this is now spreading and the current mortality rate, unless many more had it unknowingly and the mortality rate is lower than previously thought. If 1/4 of the state actually did already have it, or some version of it, possibly a different strain, it would push the mortality rate down to like .2% instead of 2%. Many unknowns we should find out in the coming weeks and months.
I spoke to Rick Herrick who was confirmed to have it, and his symptoms matched similarly to the symptoms I had along with many other friends and colleagues, sooooo...... Who's to say.
We don't know what we don't know, only time will tell.
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MtMan, Sat Apr 11 2020, 06:16PM
Yes, pulled over up here.
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 11 2020, 06:58PM
MtMan wrote ...
Yes, pulled over up here.
Yes, pulled over up here.
WOW.
There ain't nothing wrong with taking a drive around the lake, and you don't need a mask in your car to do that.
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rdoctor, Wed Apr 15 2020, 09:38AM
Went into DIY this morning with a bandana around my neck anticipating to pull it up as I was walking in. Right off the bat they told me if I didn't completely cover my face they're calling the police. That was very unnecessary and very disrespectful. I'd fire that person on the spot if I were the manager. I walked out and went to Butchers Block instead.
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MrOwl, Wed Apr 15 2020, 09:40AM
I would never shop there again.
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SSJ2012, Wed Apr 15 2020, 11:18AM
I’ve always shopped butchers block anyways. They always delivered large items and if they didn’t have it, they would order it for me.
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Cap'n Crunch, Thu Apr 16 2020, 08:52AM
The following is a quote taken from an article in the OC Register yesterday about a UC Irvine report on the pandemic:
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 09:03AM
Well my primary care physician in Lancaster is now offering the anti-body test, apparently they’re only testing essential personal at 1st till there’s enough tests. So cross my fingers I already got it back in late December
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Apr 16 2020, 12:02PM
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Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 16 2020, 12:30PM
Interestingly, there were less deaths by flu last month (March), than there were in any other March for the past 5 years. Though arguably most of the deaths have been this month (April), so it will be interesting to see how this month winds up in comparison. The other curveball, they're no longer reporting deaths by the flu, they're grouping all deaths in coronavirus, just sayin. Which will help fluff up their numbers after their astronomically high projections.
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:03PM
Well, the Big Bear curd wasn’t COVID-19 for me. Tested negative for antibodies or having the virus. Test is quick and easy. Isn’t FDA approved just yet, but doctor said I just need to be extra careful when working. But my doctor agreed with me that this is just gotten out hand. Ironically his patient schedule has drop 30% compared to last year and he might be forced to lay off nurses...
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MrOwl, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:08PM
Glad you are negative.
Yes, it's out of hand with 22 million fellow Americans laid off already. Hospitals here are laying off big time.
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:12PM
Doctor said out of the 100 tests the practice has done, only one came back has positive for antibodies and they suspected that patient having it a month ago but no test were available for mild cases
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RH_Runner, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:13PM
SSJ2012 wrote ...
Well, the Big Bear curd wasn’t COVID-19 for me. Tested negative for antibodies or having the virus. Test is quick and easy. Isn’t FDA approved just yet, but doctor said I just need to be extra careful when working. But my doctor agreed with me that this is just gotten out hand. Ironically his patient schedule has drop 30% compared to last year and he might be forced to lay off nurses...
Well, the Big Bear curd wasn’t COVID-19 for me. Tested negative for antibodies or having the virus. Test is quick and easy. Isn’t FDA approved just yet, but doctor said I just need to be extra careful when working. But my doctor agreed with me that this is just gotten out hand. Ironically his patient schedule has drop 30% compared to last year and he might be forced to lay off nurses...
Interesting news. I have been following your thread. I too had something similar in January, but I never had a fever. I guess it is just a waste of time to take the antibody test. It must have just been a bad cold. Still, watching out now though. Thanks for the update.
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 02:22PM
Yeah, $100 for the antibodies test, in my eyes not worth it. Blue Cross won’t cover it till it gets FDA approval. But that cold I did get, was probably the worst cold I’ve ever gotten. But good news of today, my high blood pressure is starting to finally started to come down, probably cause I’m not eating out as much. 😂
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Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 16 2020, 04:26PM
SSJ2012 wrote ...
Yeah, $100 for the antibodies test, in my eyes not worth it. Blue Cross won’t cover it till it gets FDA approval. But that cold I did get, was probably the worst cold I’ve ever gotten. But good news of today, my high blood pressure is starting to finally started to come down, probably cause I’m not eating out as much. 😂
Yeah, $100 for the antibodies test, in my eyes not worth it. Blue Cross won’t cover it till it gets FDA approval. But that cold I did get, was probably the worst cold I’ve ever gotten. But good news of today, my high blood pressure is starting to finally started to come down, probably cause I’m not eating out as much. 😂
Who's your doctor?
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Cornbread, Thu Apr 16 2020, 06:10PM
This is from the Washington Times
Johns Hopkins University of Medicine’s Coronavirus Resource Center, as of April 13 at 7:02 a.m., reported 557,590 confirmed cases of the new coronavirus in the United States and 22,109 deaths due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.
The current population of the United States, according to WorldOMeters.info, is just over 330 million.
Do the math. That means 0.17 percent of America’s population has been infected by the coronavirus. That means 0.007 percent of America’s population has died from the coronavirus — we think. As Johns Hopkins also notes: It all depends on the testing.
“With more testing, more people with milder cases are identified. This lowers the case-fatality ratio,” the site reported.That means the number of positive coronavirus cases will increase as testing increases — but very likely, the number of coronavirus fatalities will drop at the same time.
And by logical extension — that means the number of recovery cases will hike, as well.
For this, we tank an entire economy?“Mortality,” Johns Hopkins went on, speaking of coronavirus fatalities, “tends to be higher in older populations.”
Yes. And guess what else tends to be higher in older populations: death in general. Death due a variety of diseases, ailments, medical complications, health issues and ultimately, stoppages of hearts.
Older people die. That’s what they do.For this, we abandon the Constitution and civil rights?
The numbers on coronavirus are ridiculously low. The justification for shutting businesses, closing schools, mandating social distancing, shuttering churches and congregations — arresting pastors and park-goers and people who stand too close to others — the justification for all is to keep the coronavirus numbers low, to keep Americans safe and healthy and free of sickness and death. Specifically, 0.17 and 0.007 percentages of the population low.
But look, we could narrow in and focus on any health ailment, cover it ad nauseam in the media; throw up real-time figures on the TV screen to keep people on their panicked toes; roll out the health experts to give their best medical advisements on how to avert a sickness — with the pressure on for them to come up with new and better advisements as each day of non-stop reporting and media-fueled panic flows forth; and “justify,” yes, “justify” in quotation marks, national stay-at-home orders, and widespread closure of, well, everything.
We could do it, say, for the flu.The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that from Oct. 1, 2019, through April 4, 2020, there were between 39 million and 56 million of flu illnesses; between 18 million and 26 million medical visits due to flu; between 410,000 and 740,000 hospitalizations due to flu; and between 24,000 and 62,000 of deaths due to flu.
The CDC says it doesn’t know “the exact number of people who have been sick and affected by influenza because influenza is not a reportable disease in most areas of the U.S.” But if we go by coronavirus standards — so what? After all, the coronavirus models aren’t giving factual numbers. Neither, in some cases, are doctors and hospitals.
Shouldn’t we be throwing up real-time cases of flu deaths as they occur on television, alongside the ticking time counter of the numbers of those who’ve contracted the ailment, alongside a map in glaring red and orange and yellow colors showing locations of the spread — just so people can stay safe and protect themselves, dontcha know. After all, even lowballing gives some alarming percentages.
If 39 million Americans were sickened by the flu in the last few months, that’s nearly 12 percent of the population. If 18 million had to visit the doctor for the flu, that’s roughly 5.5 percent of the population. If 410,000 had to be hospitalized, that’s 0.12 percent. If 24,000 died from the flu during this time span, that’s 0.007 percent of all of America.
And that’s with a shot to prevent the flu. Now there’s a blaring story to report, in real, frightening death-count time, if ever there was one.So where’s the alarm? Where are the medical experts? Where, by God, are all the face masks to protect you and me and all the good comrades out there tripping over themselves to measure out the proper 6-foot social distancing boundary?
Oh, of course, on the coronavirus, the health people say it’s all about what can happen that’s the danger. It’s all about prevention.
The health wonks — and billionaire philanthropists who are focused on making vaccines for the world — say the precautions of these last few weeks have saved us, and the precautions to come will save us even more.
Sure. Except the math doesn’t really add up. The math, in other words, is fuzzy.
And living on a “what if” of unclear, panicking predictions isn’t exactly living. It’s surviving. It’s surviving in misery.
It’s high time for America to return to living — before there’s nothing worth living for in America any more.
• Cheryl Chumley can be reached at cchumley©washingtontimes.com or on Twitter, @ckchumley.
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CoyotePass, Thu Apr 16 2020, 06:38PM
"Older people die. That’s what they do." That's obscene. Those "older people" are our families our friends our leaders, for some of us, they ARE us. It's truly obscene to dismiss ANY human's death in that manner. I give NO credence to anyone who can utter those words with obvious callousness and coldness. I guess the writer knows and treasure no one over 70 huh?
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BillyJean, Thu Apr 16 2020, 07:45PM
CoyotePass wrote ...
"Older people die. That’s what they do." That's obscene. Those "older people" are our families our friends our leaders, for some of us, they ARE us. It's truly obscene to dismiss ANY human's death in that manner. I give NO credence to anyone who can utter those words with obvious callousness and coldness. I guess the writer knows and treasure no one over 70 huh?
"Older people die. That’s what they do." That's obscene. Those "older people" are our families our friends our leaders, for some of us, they ARE us. It's truly obscene to dismiss ANY human's death in that manner. I give NO credence to anyone who can utter those words with obvious callousness and coldness. I guess the writer knows and treasure no one over 70 huh?
I don't think that was necessarily the point. The point was, older people are more susceptible to complications from the flu, that was horrible wording.
Regardless of coronavirus or not, anyone can still get the flu and suffer complications at any age, pneumonia, etc., that's what happens every year and it is awful, but certain age groups are more prone. Average deaths from the flu in the US each year range from 30,000-60,000, so we're actually falling in line with a regular flu season.
Politicians are in so deep now, it would be unlikely for anyone to admit it was a poorly guided mistake by so-called experts and do an about-face. We have 2 million people in our County and 1000 confirmed cases. When the flu makes a good run, mostly likely 1/3rd to 1/2 of the population will get it. An example was whatever crud went around in Jan-Feb, seemingly everyone had it, some worse than others. That is all very normal, don't let media and politicians alarm you into thinking this is something it's really not.
Our governer claimed 20 million would come down with COVID-19, so far we're at 27,000, these proclaimed "experts" were way off. Could that be attributed to the stay at home order? Absolutely! It brought it to a grinding halt, which it would do any flu season. Was it necessary? We will never really know...
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Squatch, Thu Apr 16 2020, 08:27PM
Cornbread and Billy Jean, those of us who try and point out the discrepancies in the numbers and the abuse of power have been branded as paranoid, heartless and what ever they want to call us.
We are simply trying to "open people`s eyes" to what`s really going on out there, we`re not insensitive, just trying to be realistic to the facts of life, as Billy Jean tried to point out.
If we don`t stand up for the truth and our constitutional rights we will all become willing participants in the downfall of our country. For many of us, that`s not an viable option!
I wish no one any harm but the government overreach IMO is not acceptable!
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Nature, Thu Apr 16 2020, 09:11PM
Old people die... yup. About 30% or a little more with the virus. The other 65/70% are younger.
They should be willing to die too because they don’t matter either? I don’t wish ill will on anyone. I work for a living.
Would be great to get back to normal but put someone in front of me, someone’s family member, and give me the choice of they die do you can make a buck. I wouldn’t choose to kill them.
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CoyotePass, Thu Apr 16 2020, 09:40PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Cornbread and Billy Jean, those of us who try and point out the discrepancies in the numbers and the abuse of power have been branded as paranoid, heartless and what ever they want to call us.
We are simply trying to "open people`s eyes" to what`s really going on out there, we`re not insensitive, just trying to be realistic to the facts of life, as Billy Jean tried to point out.
If we don`t stand up for the truth and our constitutional rights we will all become willing participants in the downfall of our country. For many of us, that`s not an viable option!
I wish no one any harm but the government overreach IMO is not acceptable!
Cornbread and Billy Jean, those of us who try and point out the discrepancies in the numbers and the abuse of power have been branded as paranoid, heartless and what ever they want to call us.
We are simply trying to "open people`s eyes" to what`s really going on out there, we`re not insensitive, just trying to be realistic to the facts of life, as Billy Jean tried to point out.
If we don`t stand up for the truth and our constitutional rights we will all become willing participants in the downfall of our country. For many of us, that`s not an viable option!
I wish no one any harm but the government overreach IMO is not acceptable!
Just an unfortunate choice of words eh? Sorry, I don't buy that. Having reached my magical age I've seen the disrespect, callousness and downright cruelty that anyone over a certain age is subjected too in this country. Having been poor I have seen it too. No, it was NOT an unfortunate choice of words, it is the underbelly of what many of a certain rank believe; the poor, sick and old are expendable. They don't count. Been there and seen it with my own eyes. Now, maybe that is what YOU believe, but you are being just as manipulated as you claim we have been. You're being manipulated by people of wealth afraid of loosing their wealth. You're being riled up to believe that your rights are being trampled on by people with no morals. I don't expect you to believe it, but it is what I know from where I stand.
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SSJ2012, Thu Apr 16 2020, 10:07PM
To answer Benny, I go to Dr Allen in Lancaster, he’s been the best doctor I ever had especially after major back injury I suffered in 2005
But my thoughts on the stay at home order, it is important, one thing everyone isn’t including is the number of days a person stays in hospital who has COVID-19. With the flu, there are treatment options. COVID-19 doesn’t have any that proven to work. My friend in Indiana who tested positive is on week 3 of being sick at home. My point in all of this is how we allowed this pandemic to get to the point it is today, we’ve suddenly woke up realized that we were never prepared for pandemic. Yes, sorry to burst the bubble of some, but we cannot allow our rights to striped away, but people must also respect the wishes of their doctors. But we also must be mindful, people have rent, bills to pay, and unless you’re personally willing to open your wallet, something has give. There has to be some middle ground that we get through this without overwhelming our hospitals and without sending us into a Great Depression.
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Squatch, Thu Apr 16 2020, 10:17PM
Well said SSJ201!
Coyote you make a lot of assumptions without knowing me..hmm kinda makes you a hypocrite!
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CoyotePass, Fri Apr 17 2020, 04:04PM
You're entitled to your assumptions SQUATCH.
Nice to see Oz and Phil trotted out for their irrelevant sound bites. The funny part is that they probably had their "apologies" planned out before they even opened their mouths.
I'd love to go back to work. I love my job. I got $86 in the bank and that's it. But I also have a host of relatives and friends who are considered medically vulnerable who I love dearly. I will not sacrifice their lives for a buck.
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Benny ⭐, Fri Apr 17 2020, 09:07PM
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Apr 17 2020, 10:41PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
And this years partnered contract states Fireworks may be rescheduled between July 4-Oct 31. Halloweenworks! Kinda cool & unforgettable.
Under 'City Council Approves Partnership With Visit Big Bear for Fireworks' [Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Sat Apr 18 2020, 12:30AM
I saw that too!
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
And this years partnered contract states Fireworks may be rescheduled between July 4-Oct 31. Halloweenworks! Kinda cool & unforgettable.
Under 'City Council Approves Partnership With Visit Big Bear for Fireworks' [Click Here]
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
And this years partnered contract states Fireworks may be rescheduled between July 4-Oct 31. Halloweenworks! Kinda cool & unforgettable.
Under 'City Council Approves Partnership With Visit Big Bear for Fireworks' [Click Here]
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rdoctor, Sat Apr 18 2020, 06:50AM
Don't fear COVID-19. Fear your government.
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RH_Runner, Sat Apr 18 2020, 07:32AM
rdoctor wrote ...
Don't fear COVID-19. Fear your government.
Don't fear COVID-19. Fear your government.
Exactly right!
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Airport Razz, Sat Apr 18 2020, 12:57PM
SCENE - Dirty Harry (labeled CoVid-19) , Magnum 44 pointing at suspect on the ground. Suspect on the ground peeing his pants looking at business end of Magnum (labeled SIP Protesters)................
You've got to ask yourself a question. 'Do I feel lucky?'
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat Apr 18 2020, 04:32PM
Nature
Apr 18 : 04:18pm
If you don’t like what is being done, of sheer curiosity, if you had the responsibility of local, state and federal lawmakers, what would you have done about the virus on it’s way, arriving and spreading like wildfire through the country? Not what you wouldn’t do but what you would do with that responsibility?
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ArchJohn, Sat Apr 18 2020, 05:34PM
Riverside County health officials Saturday reported Cases have plummeted precipitously.
"The majority of the population is doing what we asked," Dr. Cameron Kaiser said Friday. "People are taking appropriate precautions and following the orders that were issued
The doctor acknowledged that the county could soon fall into the phase one "gating criteria" announced Thursday by President Donald Trump under the administration's "Opening Up America Again" plan.
"Cases have plummeted precipitously," Kaiser said. "But it's too soon to lift our foot from the gas pedal. We're getting close. As the situation changes ... we will be looking at recommendations for many things. But we don't have enough understanding of our case load to put us past the (emergency) order."
Two weeks ago, the county was indicating that statistical modeling showed the possibility of 65,000 infections and 1,000 deaths by the first week of May. Those predictions were altered Wednesday, with both the infection count and death rate predicted to be one-fifth of the original estimates.
The doctor acknowledged that the county could soon fall into the phase one "gating criteria" announced Thursday by President Donald Trump under the administration's "Opening Up America Again" plan. The criteria calls for permitting groups of 10 or less to socialize with appropriate precautionary steps and providing guidelines for employers to bring workers back on the job in phases, with safeguards in place.
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HazMatMind, Sat Apr 18 2020, 05:45PM
Warning for delicate ears: F-bombs included
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Apr 18 2020, 06:48PM
Now 6 Confirmed Cases in Big Bear Valley
City Planning For Incremental Adjustments to Restrictions
Big Bear Connected Asks You to Make "Joyful Noise"
County Collects Specimens from 231 Individuals in Big Bear Lake
City Council Approves Penalty and Interest Waiver for TOT and TBID Payments Due April 30
takes 3 to 5 days for test Results
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sun Apr 19 2020, 03:39PM
Nature
Apr 19 : 03:08pm
“Get out of quarantine, freedom ride and peaceful protest parade around big Bear this Sunday. In celebration of our beloved individual liberty and a peaceful protest of the governors unconstitutional lockdown. Have a bike, hot rod, classic car, jeep, lifted truck, 4 x 4, luxury car or an old beater? If it rolls it’s welcome! Everyone is welcome to join in. Come and join us get out of the house and let’s
That’s all you can read on there.
I don’t doubt several people wanted to go for a ride around the lake just to go for a ride but the purpose was a protest.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sun Apr 19 2020, 03:50PM
Polar 🌌rbit
Apr 19 : 03:42pm
A nice peaceful protest is good. Especially when the nice peaceful opposition doesn't show up and start a fight.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sun Apr 19 2020, 03:51PM
Benny ⭐
Apr 19 : 03:43pm
Nope, nothing wrong with getting out to get some air. We've been couped up for exactly 1 month now. With warmer weather, hopefully people take advantage of it to get out and enjoy!
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Nature, Sun Apr 19 2020, 04:33PM
I’ll try again.
I love to ride. I’ve put over 185,000 miles on a bike.
Here’s the deal.
Look it up...
1918 pandemic started a second time because people got fed up staying home with warmer summer weather.
The pandemic exploded again in September and went on for two years. We could see that happen again do to the sense of entitlement regardless of cost.
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Nature, Sun Apr 19 2020, 04:35PM
Due not do
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Polar 🌌rbit, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:12PM
In FORUMS, you can go back and edit your posts if you have bad fingers like mine. You don't have to post an update. See my 4:59 post in Chatbox if you don't believe the stupid fingers.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:31PM
Nature wrote ...
I’ll try again.
I love to ride. I’ve put over 185,000 miles on a bike.
Here’s the deal.
Look it up...
1918 pandemic started a second time because people got fed up staying home with warmer summer weather.
The pandemic exploded again in September and went on for two years. We could see that happen again do to the sense of entitlement regardless of cost.
I’ll try again.
I love to ride. I’ve put over 185,000 miles on a bike.
Here’s the deal.
Look it up...
1918 pandemic started a second time because people got fed up staying home with warmer summer weather.
The pandemic exploded again in September and went on for two years. We could see that happen again do to the sense of entitlement regardless of cost.
The virus did not flare back up because people went out in the warmer summer months. It dies off in the summer with warmer temperatures. It flared up again next flu season due to the colder weather returning, driving people going back indoors. Just like the regular flu ramps up and down every year, the concept is nothing new.
More specifically and statistically historians now believe that the fatal severity of the Spanish flu’s “second wave” was caused by a mutated virus spread by wartime troop movements.
Yes, this will likely be back next season, but not based on what people do during the summer. Sure, viruses can still spread in the summer, but heat kills it, so it's much less likely. We will be much better prepared to handle it next flu season with testing, ppe equipment, etc. and hopefully a vaccine!
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Nature, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:53PM
Read
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Benny ⭐, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:54PM
Nature wrote ...
Read
Read
I just did "Historians now believe that the fatal severity of the Spanish flu’s “second wave” was caused by a mutated virus spread by wartime troop movements."
And
"Harris believes that the rapid spread of Spanish flu in the fall of 1918 was at least partially to blame on public health officials unwilling to impose quarantines during wartime. In Britain, for example, a government official named Arthur Newsholme knew full well that a strict civilian lockdown was the best way to fight the spread of the highly contagious disease. But he wouldn’t risk crippling the war effort by keeping munitions factory workers and other civilians home."
All of which we are doing, so yes, we'll have to take a look at this again in the fall (flu season). No major spread during the summer, as is typical, statistically and scientifically.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Sun Apr 19 2020, 05:57PM
Thank you Benny for the objective update on the current status, and for putting the historical facts out there for people to acknowledge or challenge with honest data.
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Nature, Sun Apr 19 2020, 06:00PM
Snopes.com
[Click Here]
There are a lot of theories that change over time when things are put under a microscope
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Benny ⭐, Mon Apr 20 2020, 01:54PM
A study conducted by Dr. Fer and other Scientists & Doctors from USC have come up with some fascinating insight in light of their antibody testing.
Based on their research, it's now likely over 200,000-400,000 people in Los Angeles County have already experienced some form of the coronavirus, lowering the mortality rate down to about 0.2%, depending on exact case numbers. Numbers more typically experienced with the common flu. That's 28-55 times higher than what is currently being reported.
Of course, as they learn more, we'll know more, but barring them testing the entire US population, we may never really know the true reach of this flu. Interesting information none the less!
The Dr just spoke about it during his press conference on TV. - Linky [Click Here]
I'm sure there's much more to come on this!
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Mtngoat John⭐, Mon Apr 20 2020, 05:10PM
Airport Razz
Apr 20 : 05:04pm
City/county needs to do something NOW or this valley is going to be over run with 2nd home owners next weekend. Just got message from #5 owner that they fully intend to come up next weekend with big groups. WTH people????
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Airport Razz, Mon Apr 20 2020, 05:51PM
Sorry about that, thought is was sort of news worthy. OK, that being said, here is the continuation of the blurb.
And I apologize to anyone that might be offended by this post. But right now, I am offended by the number of people that believe my rights don't mean anything.
Well, get ready locals. I am predicting basic anarchy to hit the valley starting next Friday. I am basing that on a number of down the hill clients that today seem to have lost all their facilities of coherent thought and the knowledge of what is right to do. I guess Newsome must of have announced last night that the pandemic was just a bad dream???? No one is taking shelter in place seriously and these people are going to be putting YOU the LOCALs in peril. And in return, these people will be putting other down the hill people into further peril once they return after the weekend. Must be nice to be so entitled that your crap doesn't stink any longer. They are coming and in mass. I even got fired by one of the 2nd owners, after 6 years of service and taking care of them, the family, their friends and their property. How's that for 'I Don't Give A Crap About You Piddly Little Locals"? Not sure how we can prepare, other than just locking our doors and hope they don't rape what is left in this town. We sure wont get any support from the city or county, that has been stated ever so plainly. So sad. Once again, the few screw it up for the many. JERKS! And once again, the rules don't apply to the rich, the powerful, the entitled of the world. How's it feel being reminded that locals in the valley are 2nd class citizens and our needs don't mean squat to anyone but ourselves. So while I am sure this will incite those few that think they matter more than the many, feel free to go ahead and rip me apart. At least I am doing what I can to keep my family, friends and crew safe and alive and also GOD FORBID am abiding by the current laws that our elected officials have made. Not sure when that little ditty fell out of fashion. While I didn't elect any of these yahoo cowboys in office, I fail to see an alternative at this time. I see no one coming up with any better solutions other than 'we are going to do just what we damn well want to do, damn the torpedoes' and everyone for their selves. Everyone one of the rule breakers will just be adding time to the duration that we ALL have to endure. Really, why did we do the last 38 days for, just to throw it away and spread the crud further? Time to take that kid in 2nd grade who kept everyone from going to recess out behind the baseball backstop and teach him just how the world REALLY works. Probably to late but folks, we need to take control over OUR rights, as no one is going to give them to us and the entitled want to stomp them into the gutter. Last time I checked, we were all equal in this society. Boy, is that ever a farce. As I said go ahead and rip me apart. See you in the Funny Papers.
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MtMan, Mon Apr 20 2020, 06:32PM
Agree with you. The stores are bad enough as it is. These people, up here, say " we're be all in this together" nonsense. We have limited resources up here, the flatlanders have many resources down there. The Eastern Sierra's are basically shut down because they realize the obvious. Opening fishing be season has been delayed until June 1, why can't be we shut our valley from flatlanders until then also? I am tired of not having things in stock because of flatlanders coming up here and treating this time like a damn vacation. Stop it now, call the city and county and let them know how you feel.
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Airport Razz, Mon Apr 20 2020, 06:38PM
Thanks, thought I was getting my dander all up and out for nothing and the only one that can see that elephant in the room that keeps eating the apples/oranges of the discussion. It is like driving 100mph on the freeway and then trying to tell the judge that those speed laws weren't intended for you, only the idiot doing the speed limit that you just blasted the doors off and they ended up in the center divider. That's not justice. Just isn't right to act like royalty when the crown on your head is imaginary.
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Benny ⭐, Mon Apr 20 2020, 06:51PM
Golf and tennis reopening in Riverside county... [Click Here]
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Airport Razz, Mon Apr 20 2020, 07:40PM
Well, so glad to hear that the destruction of the american economy and the american way of life plus hunkering for 30 days plus was worth it so some while balls can be knocked around. Has the entire world lost its frikkin mind. Time to S&$%Can the politicians.
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Benny ⭐, Mon Apr 20 2020, 07:58PM
With temperatures in the hundreds starting this weekend, let em bake!
But in all seriousness, with the high temps this "should" die down through the summer. The time to plan ahead again will be late summer, early fall. Hopefully by then we will have treatment, even an outside chance the vaccine will be ready.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 21 2020, 08:55AM
Rant Tuesdays
I would like to see the valley shut off and also isolated,
You feel like we live on an island up here. But with a 20% increase from last weekend of confirmed cases in the valley 5-6. Our once a month travel to the market, the parking lot was packed, go inside it’s packed like a cruse ship must be in port with all the unknown-faces. I feel sorry for the checker she says it all started on Friday the faces coming through. The owners of the rental home next door were at the store 2 baskets full of items pasta. Soups supplies they say that they were going to be coming up on the weekends and are stocking up the house “cant rent it going to use it” WTF. I get the fact that some of you feel that paying property taxes gives you special rights. But it is a god dam business investment your not members of this community.
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mountainart, Tue Apr 21 2020, 09:34AM
Just curious, but would you deny people who have owned family homes up here for generations the ability to use it? And if not, would you feel ok in forcing some ( retired, fixed income)who need to rent out their homes to put food on their tables to lose them because you changed the rules of acceptable use after the fact,l?
You do realize, that the more testing of the general population numbers are coming in, it looks like over half of the population has already had it with less symptoms than the common cold, which puts the mortaity rate now to levels lower than the annual common flu.
Are you going to be consistent, and now apply the social distancing rules you are trying to keep to every year forthcoming, so the annual hundreds of thousands of people who die from the common flu won't anymore.
It's a difficult conundrum, but having been down the hill during this time for needed supplies, I can tell you it's way worse down there, where it seems most people don't care, and just crowd right up to you.. Of course, with the daily testing numbers showing the trend that it looks like the majority of the population already got it unnoticed, perhaps fear is the actual enemy. How many millions of people/families are you willing to financially destroy, in order to prevent annual flu events...... the recent fall of oil into negative territory is a canary in the coal mine, and I see the future global economic toll( supply chain breakdown, bk, food industry industry collapse, with accompanying 3rd world famine and health issues, killing orders of magnitude more people than this 19. All because fear of the unknown and political fearmongering caused a complete shutdown. Look an Dakota. they had zero shutdown orders, instead working with isolating the at risk seniors and immunocompromised, and it has been a success..
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Squatch, Tue Apr 21 2020, 10:28AM
Well said mountainart!
Oil looks to be the first major domino of many to fall, could very well lead to a catastrophic collapse of the U.S./global economies.
Yes, oil will probably rebound, not so much for other segments!
People, lets`s just wear our protection and get back to living/working!
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 21 2020, 11:38AM
I don’t want friends sick and dying
Its lives the plan is stay in place-not go to my cabin for the weekend
use the following recommendations:
diligently honor the Governor's order to "shelter in place",
limit your interactions with others to the maximum extent practical,
plan your essential trips out accordingly, and limit the number of trips to the grocery store, drug store, etc.,
keep at least 6 feet of distance between you and others you come into contact with,
wash your hands ALL THE TIME,
if you need to get outside, take a walk, go for a run, take a bike ride, or go on a hike by yourself or with your family - but stay far way from others!
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 21 2020, 11:39AM
Angelus Oaks: 1
Big Bear City: 2
Big Bear Lake: 4
Crestline: 5
Rimforest: 1
Running Springs: 2
Mountain communitys: 15
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ArchJohn, Tue Apr 21 2020, 11:59AM
Sky, is this including the results from last week's testing?
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Codger, Tue Apr 21 2020, 12:17PM
With some high placed individuals (their apologies ready at hand) saying we should open everything up now because “Old people are going to die soon anyway”, I had a thought. Just like canaries in a coal mine, they could use us old, decrepit folk to figure out if it is safe to de-hunker. Gather a flock of old ’uns and send us out, sans mask. If most die, lock down a little while longer. After a week or so, send out another group. If only half die, we know it’s getting better but we still need to stay in. Keep this up until most survive. (Two or three are gonna die anyway just ‘cause we’re old.) Then we’ll know it’s safe to fling the doors open and begin frolicking outside again. Call us the Covid Canaries.
(I give this two posts before some idjit makes this political)
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cricket, Tue Apr 21 2020, 03:02PM
They have not released statistics for last weeks mountain tests.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 21 2020, 03:47PM
ArchJohn wrote ...
Sky, is this including the results from last week's testing?
Sky, is this including the results from last week's testing?
No the test take 3 to five days city said they hope to get them today. 231 people took the test seems results from the test run 9% positive hope that's not the case.
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cricket, Tue Apr 21 2020, 06:44PM
City Manager report just came. No results.it is 6:44 pm on Tuesday.
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Benny ⭐, Wed Apr 22 2020, 08:33PM
The results are in! Out of the 229 tests they took last Friday there was only 1 positive for Covid!
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:01AM
I thought that 231 samples were taken
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:01AM
Dr Anthony Fauci has warned that if the US moves too quickly to end stay-at-home orders there could be another surge in Covid-19 cases.
Trump and Fauci: America's future hangs on this delicate relationship
Read more
Speaking to ABC News, the director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a key member of the White House coronavirus taskforce
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BillyJean, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:06AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
I thought that 231 samples were taken
I thought that 231 samples were taken
There were, but reporting 229 gives something for people to do. Now we can all sit around and speculate what happened to the missing two? Did they sneak away for lunch? Did a ufo beam them to their mothership? Are they out fishing on Big Bear Lake, maybe golfing??? No one knows!
(Insert conspiracy theory here)
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:08AM
How did Herrick contract SARS Cov 2
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 23 2020, 09:19AM
I would like better Accounting
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Airport Razz, Thu Apr 23 2020, 10:59AM
I was told to put it in a thread...…..At least the weather is going to be nice
. I guess that was too controversial? Actually I am sure it was the observation that there is a good chance that rebel ridge and the go-karts would be open this weekend and I asked why it is that I feel as if we have not only lost the battle but the war. I was admonished for having a simple opinion after dialing my 'rants' way way down. Didn't realize that doing the right thing was so controversial these days, not how I was raised.Once again, thank you SoCalAdmin for putting up with my misdirected questions. No foul intended. I will further pursue other avenues for possible answers as it seems I am no longer able to say anything to anybody without someone getting upset.
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MrOwl, Thu Apr 23 2020, 12:19PM
Airport Razz wrote ...
I was told to put it in a thread...…..At least the weather is going to be nice . I guess that was too controversial? Actually I am sure it was the observation that there is a good chance that rebel ridge and the go-karts would be open this weekend and I asked why it is that I feel as if we have not only lost the battle but the war. I was admonished for having a simple opinion after dialing my 'rants' way way down. Didn't realize that doing the right thing was so controversial these days, not how I was raised.
Once again, thank you SoCalAdmin for putting up with my misdirected questions. No foul intended. I will further pursue other avenues for possible answers as it seems I am no longer able to say anything to anybody without someone getting upset.
I was told to put it in a thread...…..At least the weather is going to be nice
. I guess that was too controversial? Actually I am sure it was the observation that there is a good chance that rebel ridge and the go-karts would be open this weekend and I asked why it is that I feel as if we have not only lost the battle but the war. I was admonished for having a simple opinion after dialing my 'rants' way way down. Didn't realize that doing the right thing was so controversial these days, not how I was raised.Once again, thank you SoCalAdmin for putting up with my misdirected questions. No foul intended. I will further pursue other avenues for possible answers as it seems I am no longer able to say anything to anybody without someone getting upset.
It's like that everywhere, being a touchy subject on both sides. Opinions are like a-holes...we all have one.
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Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 23 2020, 12:56PM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
How did Herrick contract SARS Cov 2
How did Herrick contract SARS Cov 2
He was campaigning at the time, out meeting a lot of people and shaking hands, likely came from someone that way. This was over a month ago, he's been in quarantine and since recovered.
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BillyJean, Thu Apr 23 2020, 01:15PM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
I would like better Accounting
I would like better Accounting
Accounting? I would call a CPA if you need assistance with your taxes! Which by the way, have been extended through July 15th!
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Apr 23 2020, 01:24PM
Billyjean wrote ...
There were, but reporting 229 gives something for people to do. Now we can all sit around and speculate what happened to the missing two? Did they sneak away for lunch? Did a ufo beam them to their mothership? Are they out fishing on Big Bear Lake, maybe golfing??? No one knows!
(Insert conspiracy theory here)
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
I thought that 231 samples were taken
I thought that 231 samples were taken
There were, but reporting 229 gives something for people to do. Now we can all sit around and speculate what happened to the missing two? Did they sneak away for lunch? Did a ufo beam them to their mothership? Are they out fishing on Big Bear Lake, maybe golfing??? No one knows!
(Insert conspiracy theory here)
I just chaulk'd it up to miscounted, lost or test error, which is 0.8733624454148471% unknown.
Don't sweat the mules, just load the wagon.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Apr 24 2020, 06:13AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Angelus Oaks: 1
Big Bear City: 2
Big Bear Lake: 4
Crestline: 5
Rimforest: 1
Running Springs: 2
Mountain communitys: 15
Angelus Oaks: 1
Big Bear City: 2
Big Bear Lake: 4
Crestline: 5
Rimforest: 1
Running Springs: 2
Mountain communitys: 15
Friday 4.24.20 6;00
Angelus Oaks 1
Big Bear Lake 5
Big Bear City 2
Blue Jay 3
Crestline 5
Rim Forest 1
Running Springs 2
Mountain Community 20
Its still a plus +5 from Tuesday.
Big Bear High Sorry
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Mtngoat John⭐, Fri Apr 24 2020, 07:03AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Friday 4.24.20 6;00
Angelus Oaks 1
Big Bear Lake 5
Big Bear City 2
Blue Jay 3
Crestline 5
Rim Forest 1
Running Springs 2
Mountain Community 22
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Angelus Oaks: 1
Big Bear City: 2
Big Bear Lake: 4
Crestline: 5
Rimforest: 1
Running Springs: 2
Mountain communitys: 15
Angelus Oaks: 1
Big Bear City: 2
Big Bear Lake: 4
Crestline: 5
Rimforest: 1
Running Springs: 2
Mountain communitys: 15
Friday 4.24.20 6;00
Angelus Oaks 1
Big Bear Lake 5
Big Bear City 2
Blue Jay 3
Crestline 5
Rim Forest 1
Running Springs 2
Mountain Community 22
Now I see why you need an accountant.
Your numbers don't add up to 22 and you failed to include Blue Jay in the numbers you posted Tuesday.
It was 18 on Tuesday and 19 on Friday, not a 7 person increase as you seem to suggest.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Apr 24 2020, 07:58AM
Mtngoat John⭐ wrote ...
Now I see why you need an accountant.
Your numbers don't add up to 22 and you failed to include Blue Jay in the numbers you posted Tuesday.
It was 18 on Tuesday and 19 on Friday, not a 7 person increase as you seem to suggest.
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Friday 4.24.20 6;00
Angelus Oaks 1
Big Bear Lake 5
Big Bear City 2
Blue Jay 3
Crestline 5
Rim Forest 1
Running Springs 2
Mountain Community 22
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Angelus Oaks: 1
Big Bear City: 2
Big Bear Lake: 4
Crestline: 5
Rimforest: 1
Running Springs: 2
Mountain communitys: 15
Angelus Oaks: 1
Big Bear City: 2
Big Bear Lake: 4
Crestline: 5
Rimforest: 1
Running Springs: 2
Mountain communitys: 15
Friday 4.24.20 6;00
Angelus Oaks 1
Big Bear Lake 5
Big Bear City 2
Blue Jay 3
Crestline 5
Rim Forest 1
Running Springs 2
Mountain Community 22
Now I see why you need an accountant.
Your numbers don't add up to 22 and you failed to include Blue Jay in the numbers you posted Tuesday.
It was 18 on Tuesday and 19 on Friday, not a 7 person increase as you seem to suggest.
Sorry Big Bear High
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Apr 24 2020, 08:06AM
Here is some numbers 150 Available 32.9 % of ICU beds a 40.2 % from the previous day get your reservations now.
IM not impressed with there tracking John.
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Jellylorum, Fri Apr 24 2020, 11:35AM
Per the County's Covid-19 dashboard:
Total count so far = 78 residents of Big Bear Valley tested, 7 were positive.
To me, that means many that were tested at the recent drive-thru event were from other (mountain?) areas.
Countywide, the percentage of positives compared to the number of tests run is about 10 per cent. Big Bear's stats are about the same as those for the county as a whole. It appears we may not be as isolated as some may believe.
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Benny ⭐, Fri Apr 24 2020, 12:24PM
Jellylorum wrote ...
Per the County's Covid-19 dashboard:
Total count so far = 78 residents of Big Bear Valley tested, 7 were positive.
To me, that means many that were tested at the recent drive-thru event were from other (mountain?) areas.
Countywide, the percentage of positives compared to the number of tests run is about 10 per cent. Big Bear's stats are about the same as those for the county as a whole. It appears we may not be as isolated as some may believe.
Per the County's Covid-19 dashboard:
Total count so far = 78 residents of Big Bear Valley tested, 7 were positive.
To me, that means many that were tested at the recent drive-thru event were from other (mountain?) areas.
Countywide, the percentage of positives compared to the number of tests run is about 10 per cent. Big Bear's stats are about the same as those for the county as a whole. It appears we may not be as isolated as some may believe.
I personally know of many, many other residents who went off the hill for testing. Of those 7 that are positive, none were from the local testing last week, those numbers aside from 1 haven't changed. Still... 10% seems to be the general #.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Apr 24 2020, 02:58PM
BBNona wrote ...
Here’s hoping it’s positive so I can take off this &$#@* mask!
Here’s hoping it’s positive so I can take off this &$#@* mask!
It's not that simple.
So far, there is no proven "immunity passport" after a positive serological (antibody) test.
What of those cases that have recovered and become reinfected with the virus? Possibly also be asymptomatic their second time around & contagious once again.
[Click Here] VICE article
[Click Here] CNBC - WHO warning: No evidence that antibody tests can show coronavirus immunity
[Click Here] NY Post - City health officials warn coronavirus antibody tests may not prove immunity
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Apr 25 2020, 05:26AM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 17
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 20
Barstow 10
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 20
Blue Jay 3
Chino 60
Chino Hills 53
Colton 57
Crestline 5
Fontana 197
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 48
Highland 58
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 31
Mentone 9
Montclair 22
Morongo Valley 4
Oak Hills 8
Ontario 110
Piñon Hills 2
Phelan 6
Rancho Cucamonga 99
Redlands 88
Rialto 72
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 177
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 67
Victorville 78
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 171
Yucca Valley 10
Undetermined 115
Grand Total 1,666
Female 28Male 51
03/2403/2804/0104/0504/0904/ 1304/1704/21020406080100Number of Deaths
Latino 27Non-Latino 41Unknown 12
AI / ANNHOPIMulti- RaceOtherAsianBlackWhiteUnknown0204060
0-1420-2940-4960-69Unknown0204060
0-1415-1920-2930-3940-4950-5960-6970+01k2k3k
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Apr 25 2020, 08:49AM
95 about normal but whats the normal summer Humidity? Ben
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Apr 25 2020, 10:46AM
COUNTY ORDERS NOW ALLOW BOATING ACTIVITIES, GOLF COURSE OPERATIONS ....today April 25
"Notably, the County specifically recognized the value of recreational activity for our residents, and has clarified that boating activities and golf course activities are now permitted."
Is it really for residents only? I didn't know they could do that. Go now SQUATCH!
[Click Here] Update #41
COVID-19 Emergency page (Scroll down halfway to pic of boat)
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Apr 25 2020, 11:10AM
Brain Fart
San Bernardino County residents
Well earlier than the previous May 1 opening
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Jellylorum, Sat Apr 25 2020, 12:36PM
County-owned recreation facility grounds are open. Restrooms, playgrounds, buildings are NOT open.
Facilities owned by cities, parks districts, USFS, BLM, etc. may be open as well, at the discretion of their operators/managers. Those facilites will not be allowed to open restrooms, BBQ areas, playgrounds, or restaurants.
My understanding is the lake shore of BBL is open, but the launch areas for boats may not yet be open.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Apr 25 2020, 12:48PM
"Now that the snow has melted, and in an effort to make it convenient for our residents to enjoy City parks and facilities, these parking facilities are now open again. Please enjoy these facilities by yourself or with your family group only, and avoid interacting with others. Public restrooms are now OPEN again."
Please read entire update.
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Jellylorum, Sat Apr 25 2020, 01:12PM
So, everybody who cannot find a bathroom open at USFS, MWD, or County facilities can all go use the ones at Veteran's Park, Boulder Bay Park, Rotary Park, Bartlett and Knickerbocker. At least some are open.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Apr 25 2020, 01:49PM
Good points jelly, but I read the 'County' message as that it included 'City parks and facilities'. Why so cryptic? Where is this info of county areas, etc are not included? Thx & sry for misunderstanding.
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Jellylorum, Sat Apr 25 2020, 02:10PM
I guess it's what you see, where you live. I work and walk on the north shore. Nothing is open over here except Cluster Pines.
There are people parked everywhere, and walking and bicycling.
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Jellylorum, Sat Apr 25 2020, 04:50PM
Here is info on what is and isn't open, per County order.
This explains why County parks restrooms are not open.
Restrooms are CLOSED, per the answer to question "What facilities are open? What activities are NOT allowed."
[Click Here]
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MrOwl, Sat Apr 25 2020, 05:58PM
This says it all
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NShore.Allen, Sun Apr 26 2020, 08:53AM
Have you heard what Hawaii is doing? 14 day mandatory quarantine for all visitors with the threat of arrest. They extended the order thru May 31 (and are hinting the whole summer if they see results).
It's easier to isolate Hawaii, just control air and sea traffic.
You can see why they are worried: Currently hey have had 604 cases, 68 requiring hospitalization, 14 deaths and 432 recovery (people infected in hawaii and released from isolation). They have a population of about 1.42 Million. However, Hawaii get over 9M visitors every year.
Most cases were blamed on people returning from Vegas and spreading the virus.
It must be nice on Hawaii these days. Here's a webcam from the Grand Wailea Maui yesterday around 2pm
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Tlingit, Sun Apr 26 2020, 11:34AM
As I posted on the political discussion forum. Very promising results when proactively prescribed is Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, Zinc, and high dose vitamin C. I see patients go home to their loved ones daily because of this cocktail. Not pushing this, it's a decision that must be made between you and your physician. But know, this is the best option I've seen. Drs both internationally and around the US are prescribing this
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KK, Sun Apr 26 2020, 03:00PM
MrOwl wrote ...
This says it all
This says it all
Thank You needed a laugh! A lot of people would have to google who most of them are. Yes it does say a lot! 🤣
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Benny ⭐, Sun Apr 26 2020, 04:56PM
Tlingit wrote ...
As I posted on the political discussion forum. Very promising results when proactively prescribed is Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, Zinc, and high dose vitamin C. I see patients go home to their loved ones daily because of this cocktail. Not pushing this, it's a decision that must be made between you and your physician. But know, this is the best option I've seen. Drs both internationally and around the US are prescribing this.
As I posted on the political discussion forum. Very promising results when proactively prescribed is Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, Zinc, and high dose vitamin C. I see patients go home to their loved ones daily because of this cocktail. Not pushing this, it's a decision that must be made between you and your physician. But know, this is the best option I've seen. Drs both internationally and around the US are prescribing this.
Thanks for the info, if we had decent treatment, that would be a tremendous lifesaver, literally!
When I had the "flu" or whatever it was back in February, doc had me go through 2 Z-Packs (Zithromax) with vitamins, that did the trick, still took almost a month to get over though! Now if we could fast-track a vaccine we'll be getting somewhere!
Re: virus pandemonia
Tlingit, Sun Apr 26 2020, 05:14PM
Many experts agree death numbers are low in such a populous state as CA, because the virus was here as early as Nov.,as I'm sure you've heard. Until a vaccine is approved ( many don't do vaccinations) this cocktail is something you want to discuss with your MD. Ask for it, if infected. My wife was sick in January. All the signs of covid. A good # of us may have already been exposed. Stay safe everyone.
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Sun Apr 26 2020, 05:23PM
Tlingit wrote ...
Many experts agree death numbers are low in such a populous state as CA, because the virus was here as early as Nov.,as I'm sure you've heard. Until a vaccine is approved ( many don't do vaccinations) this cocktail is something you want to discuss with your MD. Ask for it, if infected. My wife was sick in January. All the signs of covid. A good # of us may have already been exposed. Stay safe everyone.
Many experts agree death numbers are low in such a populous state as CA, because the virus was here as early as Nov.,as I'm sure you've heard. Until a vaccine is approved ( many don't do vaccinations) this cocktail is something you want to discuss with your MD. Ask for it, if infected. My wife was sick in January. All the signs of covid. A good # of us may have already been exposed. Stay safe everyone.
Agreed! I'm not big on the flu shot, I became terribly ill after getting the flu shot once, almost died, so I skip that. Will have to consider this when it's time...
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Sun Apr 26 2020, 08:20PM
Adelanto 20
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 20
Barstow 10
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 20
Blue Jay 3
Chino 51
Chino Hills 55
Colton 58
Crestline 5
Fontana 203
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 48
Highland 57
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 35
Mentone 9
Montclair 23
Morongo Valley 4
Oak Hills 8
Ontario 115
Piñon Hills 2
Phelan 6
Rancho Cucamonga 99
Redlands 93
Rialto 77
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 185
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 90
Victorville 79
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 171
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 144
Grand Total 1,751
Re: virus pandemonia
MrOwl, Mon Apr 27 2020, 11:19AM
Another perspective
Re: virus pandemonia
MtMan, Mon Apr 27 2020, 07:49PM
Censored by YouTube. They are looking out for us.
Re: virus pandemonia
MrOwl, Mon Apr 27 2020, 08:12PM
WTH, bet they deleted later when Fox mentioned it.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:09AM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 20
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 20
Barstow 10
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 6
Bloomington 21
Blue Jay 3
Chino 51
Chino Hills 55
Colton 59
Crestline 5
Fontana 210
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 48
Highland 59
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 37
Mentone 9
Montclair 24
Morongo Valley 4
Oak Hills 9
Ontario 122
Piñon Hills 2
Phelan 6
Rancho Cucamonga 102
Redlands 95
Rialto 77
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 193
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 91
Victorville 81
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 172
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 126
Grand Total
Re: virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:39AM
Airbnb changing their rental policies.
[Click Here]
Re: virus pandemonia
MrOwl, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:45AM
MrOwl wrote ...
WTH, bet they deleted later when Fox mentioned it.
WTH, bet they deleted later when Fox mentioned it.
It's back up until it gets pulled again
Re: virus pandemonia
mountainart, Tue Apr 28 2020, 07:13AM
Fear of litigation, I believe, is what prompted 90% of the overreaction to this pandemic. Especially as it is becoming evident, with the newest testing figures that 70 percent of people who had it never even knew, and were not counted in original morbidity rates. Now looking like death rate pretty much identical to common flu, which also mostly kills people with prior issues like morbid obesity, diabetes, and lung issues. And the poverty and resulting global disruptions, food chain interruptions, loss of regular childhood vaccinations, etc will end up killing 10 times as many in the coming years.
With the fearmongering media trying to pump every outlier case on mainstream news as "normal", no wonder the public is scared senseless. Just imagine if the media did that for the leading causes of death in this country that take 1000 times more lives annually......but no, that doesn't fit in with the current bandwagon agenda.
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Tue Apr 28 2020, 08:47AM
MtnArt, interesting that you bring up the litigation issues. I found it interesting that in the city meeting last night the council is putting into their budget extra $$ for lawsuits that are going to be coming from restriction of trade once the reopening sequence begins and most of those lawsuits are going to be coming from private rental homeowners for restricting them from renting their while allowing the 'professional' companies to start renting before the private owners. They already went through that pile of crap when the permit process was put into place and the owners got pissed because the 'pros' were getting preferential treatment. And the AdHoc committee for putting the plans together seems to be leaning really heavy on the business side with NO representation from the private sector. Virus might as well take us now, government will bury what is left at this rate.
Side note, first time I have ever been on the same side at AirBnb and their regulations. Have been speaking out against the back to back rentals for years. always have felt that the toilet seat should at least have a chance to cool down before the next group arrives. Have a fun week out there troops, Doing my best to keep my tongue in check.
Re: virus pandemonia
BillyJean, Tue Apr 28 2020, 05:45PM
MrOwl wrote ...
It's back up until it gets pulled again
MrOwl wrote ...
WTH, bet they deleted later when Fox mentioned it.
WTH, bet they deleted later when Fox mentioned it.
It's back up until it gets pulled again
In case it gets pulled again from youtube, here it is on another site. For some reason youtube is pulling anything that explains the coronavirus. If you have the time, it's worth watching.
Re: virus pandemonia
SCM ALERT🚨, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:07PM
COVID really doesn't exist and here is why: :SEI(;ljF G(SERL SL:EI fL:(S E:(F GJKLS #(#JSLJFDS:F JD: G($F()SJK F KSD FDSL:
Re: virus pandemonia
SCM ALERT🚨, Tue Apr 28 2020, 06:08PM
Dang! Google Crawlers are scrambling the truth in posts now!!!!
SCM ALERT🚨 wrote ...
COVID really doesn't exist and here is why: :SEI(;ljF G(SERL SL:EI fL:(S E:(F GJKLS #(#JSLJFDS:F JD: G($F()SJK F KSD FDSL:
COVID really doesn't exist and here is why: :SEI(;ljF G(SERL SL:EI fL:(S E:(F GJKLS #(#JSLJFDS:F JD: G($F()SJK F KSD FDSL:
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Tue Apr 28 2020, 10:30PM
SCM ALERT🚨 wrote ...
Dang! Google Crawlers are scrambling the truth in posts now!!!!
Dang! Google Crawlers are scrambling the truth in posts now!!!!
SCM ALERT🚨 wrote ...
COVID really doesn't exist and here is why: :SEI(;ljF G(SERL SL:EI fL:(S E:(F GJKLS #(#JSLJFDS:F JD: G($F()SJK F KSD FDSL:
COVID really doesn't exist and here is why: :SEI(;ljF G(SERL SL:EI fL:(S E:(F GJKLS #(#JSLJFDS:F JD: G($F()SJK F KSD FDSL:
What the heck is that??
Re: virus pandemonia
SSJ2012, Wed Apr 29 2020, 09:34AM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
What the heck is that??
SCM ALERT🚨 wrote ...
Dang! Google Crawlers are scrambling the truth in posts now!!!!
Dang! Google Crawlers are scrambling the truth in posts now!!!!
SCM ALERT🚨 wrote ...
COVID really doesn't exist and here is why: :SEI(;ljF G(SERL SL:EI fL:(S E:(F GJKLS #(#JSLJFDS:F JD: G($F()SJK F KSD FDSL:
COVID really doesn't exist and here is why: :SEI(;ljF G(SERL SL:EI fL:(S E:(F GJKLS #(#JSLJFDS:F JD: G($F()SJK F KSD FDSL:
What the heck is that??
Robot fell asleep on the keyboard?
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Wed Apr 29 2020, 10:36PM
Governor Newsom is scheduled to order the closure of all California beaches tomorrow, effective this Friday, May 1st.
[Click Here]Rather than opening them all up so people can get outdoors and spread out, let's shut em down. Pushing the problem somewhere else... And guess where they're all going to go to escape the heat? You thought last weekend was bad in the mountains?
Buckle your seatbelts folks, we're about to go on one helluva ride!
Re: virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Wed Apr 29 2020, 10:46PM
I’m surprised the lack of comment from county supervisors, assembly members senators or the courts. I’ve reached out to my various representatives and get crickets..
Re: virus pandemonia
MtMan, Wed Apr 29 2020, 10:49PM
That's just great. Can't wait to see the piles of excrement around the lake along with the trash. Extremely frustrating. Hey, where are the people now that have said, We need their money for our local economy. Yes, right.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 30 2020, 06:30AM
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Re: virus pandemonia
MrOwl, Thu Apr 30 2020, 06:32AM
The beaches will probably be even busier. People are fed up with this crap.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 30 2020, 06:32AM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 25
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 22
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 24
Blue Jay 3
Chino 54
Chino Hills 56
Colton 63
Crestline 5
Fontana 227
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 51
Highland 63
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 11
Montclair 28
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 11
Ontario 137
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 8
Rancho Cucamonga 111
Redlands 94
Rialto 83
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 225
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 89
Victorville 86
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 175
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 162
Grand Total 1,928
Re: virus pandemonia
mountainart, Thu Apr 30 2020, 09:11AM
Sweden had no lockdowns and they had no overwhelming of the hospitals. Going with herd immunity is the way to go, and isolating yourself if you are with medical conditions should be theway to go, rather than destroying the economy and creating more health problems via the poverty and stressors.
Now that widespread testing results are comimg in showing a huge percentage of the general population has already had it and never showed symptoms, or only mild symptoms which were at the time attributed to normal flu, the actual death rate has skewed to less than bad flu season, which also targets the underlying medical condition populations.
Local hospitals are ghost towns, people with other medical problems are deigning to visit hospitals for needed treatments. Listened to an interview with several doctors from city of hope who have been working with results that show an upsurge in deaths over the next several years from other problems brought on by the shutdown unintended consequences which they say will be far larger than the current death rates, which are affecting mostly people with serious underlying medical issues currently.
Translation: Our governor is actually increasing the total damage and death rates from Covid19 lockdowns than if we just let the virus play out and develop herd immunity. Sensationalist news media prints the horror stories to scare people, like the most recent pregnant mother who died of covid while giving birth. Emotionally based thinkers read that, and get scared out of their minds at how terrible this flu is. Rational based minds decide to fo online and pull statistics, and end up seeing that over 50 people each day die in childbirth related medical emergencies, with 30 from complications fron the regular flu.
I believe the media has a definite agenda, and deliberately skews its coverage to deliberately increase the panic in ill informed/factually challenged people, our governor included, to end up causing untold suffering where it does not need be so.
If I had my way, I would tar and feather all politically biased news organizations, or charge them with high crimes against the american people.
Re: virus pandemonia
RH_Runner, Thu Apr 30 2020, 09:38AM
mountainart wrote ...
Sweden had no lockdowns and they had no overwhelming of the hospitals. Going with herd immunity is the way to go, and isolating yourself if you are with medical conditions should be theway to go, rather than destroying the economy and creating more health problems via the poverty and stressors.
Now that widespread testing results are comimg in showing a huge percentage of the general population has already had it and never showed symptoms, or only mild symptoms which were at the time attributed to normal flu, the actual death rate has skewed to less than bad flu season, which also targets the underlying medical condition populations.
Local hospitals are ghost towns, people with other medical problems are deigning to visit hospitals for needed treatments. Listened to an interview with several doctors from city of hope who have been working with results that show an upsurge in deaths over the next several years from other problems brought on by the shutdown unintended consequences which they say will be far larger than the current death rates, which are affecting mostly people with serious underlying medical issues currently.
Translation: Our governor is actually increasing the total damage and death rates from Covid19 lockdowns than if we just let the virus play out and develop herd immunity. Sensationalist news media prints the horror stories to scare people, like the most recent pregnant mother who died of covid while giving birth. Emotionally based thinkers read that, and get scared out of their minds at how terrible this flu is. Rational based minds decide to fo online and pull statistics, and end up seeing that over 50 people each day die in childbirth related medical emergencies, with 30 from complications fron the regular flu.
I believe the media has a definite agenda, and deliberately skews its coverage to deliberately increase the panic in ill informed/factually challenged people, our governor included, to end up causing untold suffering where it does not need be so.
If I had my way, I would tar and feather all politically biased news organizations, or charge them with high crimes against the american people.
Sweden had no lockdowns and they had no overwhelming of the hospitals. Going with herd immunity is the way to go, and isolating yourself if you are with medical conditions should be theway to go, rather than destroying the economy and creating more health problems via the poverty and stressors.
Now that widespread testing results are comimg in showing a huge percentage of the general population has already had it and never showed symptoms, or only mild symptoms which were at the time attributed to normal flu, the actual death rate has skewed to less than bad flu season, which also targets the underlying medical condition populations.
Local hospitals are ghost towns, people with other medical problems are deigning to visit hospitals for needed treatments. Listened to an interview with several doctors from city of hope who have been working with results that show an upsurge in deaths over the next several years from other problems brought on by the shutdown unintended consequences which they say will be far larger than the current death rates, which are affecting mostly people with serious underlying medical issues currently.
Translation: Our governor is actually increasing the total damage and death rates from Covid19 lockdowns than if we just let the virus play out and develop herd immunity. Sensationalist news media prints the horror stories to scare people, like the most recent pregnant mother who died of covid while giving birth. Emotionally based thinkers read that, and get scared out of their minds at how terrible this flu is. Rational based minds decide to fo online and pull statistics, and end up seeing that over 50 people each day die in childbirth related medical emergencies, with 30 from complications fron the regular flu.
I believe the media has a definite agenda, and deliberately skews its coverage to deliberately increase the panic in ill informed/factually challenged people, our governor included, to end up causing untold suffering where it does not need be so.
If I had my way, I would tar and feather all politically biased news organizations, or charge them with high crimes against the american people.
Totally agree with everything said!
Re: virus pandemonia
Tlingit, Thu Apr 30 2020, 10:40AM
mountainart wrote ...
Sweden had no lockdowns and they had no overwhelming of the hospitals. Going with herd immunity is the way to go, and isolating yourself if you are with medical conditions should be theway to go, rather than destroying the economy and creating more health problems via the poverty and stressors.
Now that widespread testing results are comimg in showing a huge percentage of the general population has already had it and never showed symptoms, or only mild symptoms which were at the time attributed to normal flu, the actual death rate has skewed to less than bad flu season, which also targets the underlying medical condition populations.
Local hospitals are ghost towns, people with other medical problems are deigning to visit hospitals for needed treatments. Listened to an interview with several doctors from city of hope who have been working with results that show an upsurge in deaths over the next several years from other problems brought on by the shutdown unintended consequences which they say will be far larger than the current death rates, which are affecting mostly people with serious underlying medical issues currently.
Translation: Our governor is actually increasing the total damage and death rates from Covid19 lockdowns than if we just let the virus play out and develop herd immunity. Sensationalist news media prints the horror stories to scare people, like the most recent pregnant mother who died of covid while giving birth. Emotionally based thinkers read that, and get scared out of their minds at how terrible this flu is. Rational based minds decide to fo online and pull statistics, and end up seeing that over 50 people each day die in childbirth related medical emergencies, with 30 from complications fron the regular flu.
I believe the media has a definite agenda, and deliberately skews its coverage to deliberately increase the panic in ill informed/factually challenged people, our governor included, to end up causing untold suffering where it does not need be so.
If I had my way, I would tar and feather all politically biased news organizations, or charge them with high crimes against the american people.
Sweden had no lockdowns and they had no overwhelming of the hospitals. Going with herd immunity is the way to go, and isolating yourself if you are with medical conditions should be theway to go, rather than destroying the economy and creating more health problems via the poverty and stressors.
Now that widespread testing results are comimg in showing a huge percentage of the general population has already had it and never showed symptoms, or only mild symptoms which were at the time attributed to normal flu, the actual death rate has skewed to less than bad flu season, which also targets the underlying medical condition populations.
Local hospitals are ghost towns, people with other medical problems are deigning to visit hospitals for needed treatments. Listened to an interview with several doctors from city of hope who have been working with results that show an upsurge in deaths over the next several years from other problems brought on by the shutdown unintended consequences which they say will be far larger than the current death rates, which are affecting mostly people with serious underlying medical issues currently.
Translation: Our governor is actually increasing the total damage and death rates from Covid19 lockdowns than if we just let the virus play out and develop herd immunity. Sensationalist news media prints the horror stories to scare people, like the most recent pregnant mother who died of covid while giving birth. Emotionally based thinkers read that, and get scared out of their minds at how terrible this flu is. Rational based minds decide to fo online and pull statistics, and end up seeing that over 50 people each day die in childbirth related medical emergencies, with 30 from complications fron the regular flu.
I believe the media has a definite agenda, and deliberately skews its coverage to deliberately increase the panic in ill informed/factually challenged people, our governor included, to end up causing untold suffering where it does not need be so.
If I had my way, I would tar and feather all politically biased news organizations, or charge them with high crimes against the american people.
Well said. The Covid mortality numbers quoted by our biased leaders and left wing media are false. EVERYONE who dies now who is Covid positive, is added to the padded Covid number. Regardless if you die of a stroke, cancer in hospice, or any comorbitity issues, if you are positive for Covid, Covid is the cause of death.
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 30 2020, 11:25AM
There's another decent discussion in NEWS with some interesting facts & statistics. [Click Here]
It's very likely 1/2 to 1/3rd of the current Covid19 related deaths are inaccurate. You can probably drop it down to 30,000 attributed to coronavirus. Dr's and coroners are no longer investigating reasoning behind a death, they just put it down as Covid19 death. Easier to write it off, even if they had trauma from a car crash.
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Thu Apr 30 2020, 01:39PM
Weeks ago, I was expecting crime rates to skyrocket with all this out of work & even bordem panned out. In major cities across the world, a quick Google search shows it has actually plummeted by huge numbers. Stimulus checks may have helped the money issues, for now. When that runs out and back rent/loans are due, will crime then rise? Open back up before it's too late.
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Thu Apr 30 2020, 02:02PM
I forgot to mention another point: California is granting early release to 3,500 inmates in an effort to reduce crowding. We'll see how that goes.
And then there's the mandatory mask wearing..
(Fitting now, I've had my avatar since I signed up here)
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Thu Apr 30 2020, 03:06PM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
I forgot to mention another point: California is granting early release to 3,500 inmates in an effort to reduce crowding. We'll see how that goes.
And then there's the mandatory mask wearing..
(Fitting now, I've had my avatar since I signed up here)
I forgot to mention another point: California is granting early release to 3,500 inmates in an effort to reduce crowding. We'll see how that goes.
And then there's the mandatory mask wearing..
(Fitting now, I've had my avatar since I signed up here)
Yeah I saw now they're alerting residents in Orange County, a half dozen of the sex offenders they released cut off their gps tracking devices. Perfect plan!
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Thu Apr 30 2020, 03:32PM
Whadda they gonna glue their ankle straps back on when it's time for the parole officer's visual check-ins? Or just going on the lamb..?! Nuts!
I did not know about all this : [Click Here] -Wired . com article
Re: virus pandemonia
MtMan, Thu Apr 30 2020, 06:39PM
"California is granting early release to 3,500 inmates in an effort to reduce crowding."
Thanks Gavin.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri May 01 2020, 08:51AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 25
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 22
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 24
Blue Jay 3
Chino 54
Chino Hills 56
Colton 63
Crestline 5
Fontana 227
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 51
Highland 63
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 11
Montclair 28
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 11
Ontario 137
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 8
Rancho Cucamonga 111
Redlands 94
Rialto 83
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 225
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 89
Victorville 86
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 175
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 162
Grand Total 1,928
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 25
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 22
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 24
Blue Jay 3
Chino 54
Chino Hills 56
Colton 63
Crestline 5
Fontana 227
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 51
Highland 63
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 11
Montclair 28
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 11
Ontario 137
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 8
Rancho Cucamonga 111
Redlands 94
Rialto 83
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 225
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 89
Victorville 86
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 175
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 162
Grand Total 1,928
Adelanto 30
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 26
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 3
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 27
Blue Jay 3
Chino 59
Chino Hills 59
Colton 69
Crestline 6
Fontana 245
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 54
Highland 64
Joshua Tree 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 12
Montclair 31
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 12
Ontario 151
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga 116
Redlands 101
Rialto 92
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 3
San Bernardino 247
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 90
Victorville 93
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 177
Yucca Valley 12
Undetermined 167
Grand Total 2,058
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri May 01 2020, 08:52AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Re: virus pandemonia
BillyJean, Fri May 01 2020, 09:22AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
So what you're say is, the lock down had no impact?? Whoops!
Re: virus pandemonia
SSJ2012, Fri May 01 2020, 11:17AM
Billyjean wrote ...
So what you're say is, the lock down had no impact?? Whoops!
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
So what you're say is, the lock down had no impact?? Whoops!
Hard to actually say, they’re not exactly forthcoming in who and where the new case are. I’m not talking about I want their exact address, but I think it be important to find out if the person is a nursing home, hospital worker, 1st responder, etc. If it general public, who should be staying at home, then it raises more questions. Personally I think they would had better luck controlling this by education and “asking businesses and citizens” to follow recommendations.
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Fri May 01 2020, 12:51PM
I believe in LA county they reported 80% of their fatalities were from nursing homes, of those 92% had underlying conditions.
Re: virus pandemonia
Jellylorum, Fri May 01 2020, 01:25PM
SBCO dashboard, outbreaks tab, indicates 44 of 93 deaths were in care facilities.
Re: virus pandemonia
SSJ2012, Fri May 01 2020, 04:09PM
Jellylorum wrote ...
SBCO dashboard, outbreaks tab, indicates 44 of 93 deaths were in care facilities.
SBCO dashboard, outbreaks tab, indicates 44 of 93 deaths were in care facilities.
Shocking, let’s close the beaches but let’s look the other way at helping long term care facilities.
Re: virus pandemonia
SSJ2012, Fri May 01 2020, 04:19PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
I believe in LA county they reported 80% of their fatalities were from nursing homes, of those 92% had underlying conditions.
I believe in LA county they reported 80% of their fatalities were from nursing homes, of those 92% had underlying conditions.
A lot of fatalities are people who made poor choices in life. I’m one of the poor choice makers. I smoked cigarettes for 25+ years, ate a lot of fast food, now with my high blood pressure I’m trying to change all of that. But those choices fall on me, I knew better. You won’t hear me or family complain if I kick the bucket early, definitely won’t hear me. My daughters and wife are well aware my health falls straight on my back and is my burden.
But also something I once heard a doctor tell my daughter when she went on school visit about becoming doctor. He pretty much said prepare to deal with death, everyone dies, all we try to do is postpone the date, but understand most of your patients will never listen to you until the damage is irreversible. Hard job, and definitely not for weak minded people. Oh and he told the kids if they actually make it through everything, they will end up killing someone. Life of doctor.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri May 01 2020, 05:47PM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
I find it exciting that the doubling days are increasing
Re: virus pandemonia
springvalley, Fri May 01 2020, 10:23PM
I think the doubling score is kind of dependent on how they calculate it - The statewide version from the LA times says 19 days. But, if you start at the 17th with just over 1000 cases and go til it's just over 2000 - I think it's 13 days. [Which is all a flattened curve anyway] - LA/Riverside/Sbdo were all on the 3 day doubling treadmill before the stay the hell home started taking hold. The distancing has made a difference - but it's a slow train...
Re: virus pandemonia
mountainart, Sat May 02 2020, 09:53AM
CNN, yes, CNN, just mistakenly linked to a new CDC study that shows collateral deaths, disease, and poverty related illnesses in the US will most likely be 2 million deaths over the next 4 years.
Link finally deleted, and references scrubbed after 6 hours, suprised it took that long. They actively promote stories about how bad opening up will be, ignoring Sweden's open policy that resulted in no spike that overwhelmed their hospirals.
Current US hospitals are half empty as nobody wants to be seen for other illnesses that will only get worse to irreversible.
Anyone who believes MSM are our friends and have americans best interests at heart need to get their heads examined.
Re: virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Sat May 02 2020, 10:38AM
Here’s an interesting map
Re: virus pandemonia
Jellylorum, Sat May 02 2020, 11:21AM
Interesting article in National Geographic.
There were a number of points. This one in particular caught my attention:
Germany.
Initial infection rate: 4.2
After strict social distancing, the
Current infection rate dropped to 0.7
Sweden
Has 3x the number of deaths per capita, compared to Germany.
Initial infection rate: 2.3
After recommending some social distancing, but otherwise not enforcing it,
Current infection rate 1.1
[Click Here]
Re: virus pandemonia
Cap'n Crunch, Sat May 02 2020, 11:24AM
Very interesting NSA! I suspect many of the concentrations in the east, south and Ohio River valley area relate to comorbidities. However, the area that really jumps out at me includes Sioux Falls, SD and Sioux City, IA along the western border of Iowa. Another anomaly is the Bay Area. With a relatively younger, healthier population, how come it appears more dense than the LA metropolitan area?
Re: virus pandemonia
Jellylorum, Sat May 02 2020, 11:39AM
Sweden is recommending social distancing, and many are complying. They just haven't required it.
Re: virus pandemonia
springvalley, Sat May 02 2020, 04:46PM
Capt'n - I think the Sioux fall and Sioux City number represent hotspot outbreaks where there were mass infections in meat plants.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Sat May 02 2020, 05:57PM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Adelanto 30
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 26
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 3
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 27
Blue Jay 3
Chino 59
Chino Hills 59
Colton 69
Crestline 6
Fontana 245
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 54
Highland 64
Joshua Tree 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 12
Montclair 31
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 12
Ontario 151
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga 116
Redlands 101
Rialto 92
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 3
San Bernardino 247
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 90
Victorville 93
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 177
Yucca Valley 12
Undetermined 167
Grand Total 2,058
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 25
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 22
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 24
Blue Jay 3
Chino 54
Chino Hills 56
Colton 63
Crestline 5
Fontana 227
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 51
Highland 63
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 11
Montclair 28
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 11
Ontario 137
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 8
Rancho Cucamonga 111
Redlands 94
Rialto 83
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 225
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 89
Victorville 86
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 175
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 162
Grand Total 1,928
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 25
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 22
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 2
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 24
Blue Jay 3
Chino 54
Chino Hills 56
Colton 63
Crestline 5
Fontana 227
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 51
Highland 63
Joshua Tree 14
Landers 1
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 11
Montclair 28
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 11
Ontario 137
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 8
Rancho Cucamonga 111
Redlands 94
Rialto 83
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 2
San Bernardino 225
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 89
Victorville 86
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 175
Yucca Valley 11
Undetermined 162
Grand Total 1,928
Adelanto 30
Angelus Oaks 1
Apple Valley 26
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 3
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 27
Blue Jay 3
Chino 59
Chino Hills 59
Colton 69
Crestline 6
Fontana 245
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 54
Highland 64
Joshua Tree 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 39
Mentone 12
Montclair 31
Morongo Valley 5
Oak Hills 12
Ontario 151
Piñon Hills 3
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga 116
Redlands 101
Rialto 92
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 3
San Bernardino 247
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 90
Victorville 93
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 177
Yucca Valley 12
Undetermined 167
Grand Total 2,058
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 30
Angelus Oaks 0
Apple Valley 33
Barstow 9
Big Bear City 3
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 27
Blue Jay 0
Chino 63
Chino Hills 63
Colton 75
Crestline 8
Fontana 257
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 14
Hesperia 59
Highland 67
Joshua Tree 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 40
Mentone 13
Montclair 33
Morongo Valley 7
Oak Hills 12
Ontario 167
Piñon Hills 0
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga 116
Redlands 124
Rialto 105
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 3
San Bernardino 263
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland 92
Victorville 98
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa 177
Yucca Valley 12
Undetermined 174
Grand Total 2,182
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Sat May 02 2020, 05:58PM
Angelus Oaks 0
Blue Jay 0
Now Zero?
Crestline up to 8
Re: virus pandemonia
cricket, Sat May 02 2020, 09:26PM
I would like to say something. I keep hearing people say that people with underlying conditions should just stay home. Usually cited are things like heart or lung problems, hypertension, and diabetes. Interestingly enough they never mention drinking alcohol or smoking pot or vaping. All three of these put a person into underlying conditions category due to either inflammation or immune system lowering effects.
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Sun May 03 2020, 08:55AM
I would think that those particularly high risk types are already staying home due to thier ailments. Which means they are at risk by those that care for and assist them. Where does the chain break?Which entitled person will be the 'carrier' of suffering and possible death for these at risk people? Who gets to make that decision, we have already lost so many rights to protect ourselves??
Re: virus pandemonia
Cap'n Crunch, Sun May 03 2020, 08:58AM
Thanks Spring. Makes sense!
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Mon May 04 2020, 04:43AM
springvalley wrote ...
I think the doubling score is kind of dependent on how they calculate it - The statewide version from the LA times says 19 days. But, if you start at the 17th with just over 1000 cases and go til it's just over 2000 - I think it's 13 days. [Which is all a flattened curve anyway] - LA/Riverside/Sbdo were all on the 3 day doubling treadmill before the stay the hell home started taking hold. The distancing has made a difference - but it's a slow train...
I think the doubling score is kind of dependent on how they calculate it - The statewide version from the LA times says 19 days. But, if you start at the 17th with just over 1000 cases and go til it's just over 2000 - I think it's 13 days. [Which is all a flattened curve anyway] - LA/Riverside/Sbdo were all on the 3 day doubling treadmill before the stay the hell home started taking hold. The distancing has made a difference - but it's a slow train...
Confirmed Cases The total number of patients with laboratory confirmation of the virus causing COVID-19.
3
Doubling Time The number of days it takes for the number of COVID-19 confirmed cases (since 4/1/2020) to double in size.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Mon May 04 2020, 04:56AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases The total number of patients with laboratory confirmation of the virus causing COVID-19.
3
Doubling Time The number of days it takes for the number of COVID-19 confirmed cases (since 4/1/2020) to double in size.
springvalley wrote ...
I think the doubling score is kind of dependent on how they calculate it - The statewide version from the LA times says 19 days. But, if you start at the 17th with just over 1000 cases and go til it's just over 2000 - I think it's 13 days. [Which is all a flattened curve anyway] - LA/Riverside/Sbdo were all on the 3 day doubling treadmill before the stay the hell home started taking hold. The distancing has made a difference - but it's a slow train...
I think the doubling score is kind of dependent on how they calculate it - The statewide version from the LA times says 19 days. But, if you start at the 17th with just over 1000 cases and go til it's just over 2000 - I think it's 13 days. [Which is all a flattened curve anyway] - LA/Riverside/Sbdo were all on the 3 day doubling treadmill before the stay the hell home started taking hold. The distancing has made a difference - but it's a slow train...
Confirmed Cases The total number of patients with laboratory confirmation of the virus causing COVID-19.
3
Doubling Time The number of days it takes for the number of COVID-19 confirmed cases (since 4/1/2020) to double in size.
The way that they assign the cause of death has interpretation, /slow the infection spread rate is the goal, This virus is forever
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Mon May 04 2020, 09:03AM
Wanted to share some "1st hand info" that I recently learned.
Last week I had a "curve ball" thrown at me in the form of appendicitis which resulted in my having surgery and a 2 day stay at Kaiser in Fontana.
As I was processed through each dept (emergency, pre-op/post-op, etc, I asked several techs, nurses and doctors, "is the virus problem really as bad as the press is portraying?"
Every single person either I or Mrs Squatch asked said NO!!!!
Apparently there was a big surge the first couple of weeks and since then everything has planed out and actually been pretty quiet!
I personally have never seen a hospital so quite, the only dept that seemed busy at all was surgery, no doubt due to a huge delay/backlog caused by the virus protocol.
Please don`t turn this into a "bashfest" I just wanted to share real information directly told to me by hospital staff, thanks for listening, good health to all.......
P.S. I tested neg for covid!
Re: virus pandemonia
Tlingit, Mon May 04 2020, 10:15AM
I've personally seen a marked decrease in Covid cases at my Hospital in the the last week. Other units in the Hospital are almost empty including the Emergency Dept.
Re: virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Mon May 04 2020, 10:59AM
Tlingit wrote ...
I've personally seen a marked decrease in Covid cases at my Hospital in the the last week. Other units in the Hospital are almost empty including the Emergency Dept.
I've personally seen a marked decrease in Covid cases at my Hospital in the the last week. Other units in the Hospital are almost empty including the Emergency Dept.
Got the same info from my brother-in-law who is a RN in San Diego.. not much on his COVID floor and not many patients in total. Said they are completely restocked with PPE and ventilators, only having used 4 ventilators so far.
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Mon May 04 2020, 11:14AM
I noticed on news this morning where they were interviewing restaurants and about procedures once reopening begins. it makes me wonder when I see a full pack of sanitizing wipes sitting on each available table when we haven't been able to purchase even one pack up here in over 6 weeks. how the heck can this state reopen when we can't even get basic PPE and once we can get it get it consistently? Personally no matter how bored or desperate I am getting, I find dealing with those parameters to just go out and eat just isn't worth it. I have no desire to have my order taken and then served by staff member wearing booties, gloves, mask, and surgical cap. Not real happy having to stand outside in line for basic pick up. Saw where a place in Sweden was using small individual green houses for the outside tables to sit inside. Nope, not for this kid. I'll stay home and light up the BBQ. Well, as long as the meat supply doesn't tank on us.
Re: virus pandemonia
Tlingit, Mon May 04 2020, 12:43PM
NShore.Allen wrote ...
Got the same info from my brother-in-law who is a RN in San Diego.. not much on his COVID floor and not many patients in total. Said they are completely restocked with PPE and ventilators, only having used 4 ventilators so far.
Tlingit wrote ...
I've personally seen a marked decrease in Covid cases at my Hospital in the the last week. Other units in the Hospital are almost empty including the Emergency Dept.
I've personally seen a marked decrease in Covid cases at my Hospital in the the last week. Other units in the Hospital are almost empty including the Emergency Dept.
Got the same info from my brother-in-law who is a RN in San Diego.. not much on his COVID floor and not many patients in total. Said they are completely restocked with PPE and ventilators, only having used 4 ventilators so far.
We haven't had more then 3 Patients on ventilators at one time. We currently have one we are about to wean.
Re: virus pandemonia
Polar 🌌rbit, Mon May 04 2020, 01:04PM
It looks like the Jerry Brown reusable bag has bit the dust. I never understood why they wanted me to bring bags to the market checkout counter that had sat on my kitchen floor, car floor, porch floor, etc.
Re: virus pandemonia
Tlingit, Mon May 04 2020, 02:24PM
Polar 🌌rbit wrote ...
It looks like the Jerry Brown reusable bag has bit the dust. I never understood why they wanted me to bring bags to the market checkout counter that had sat on my kitchen floor, car floor, porch floor, etc.
It looks like the Jerry Brown reusable bag has bit the dust. I never understood why they wanted me to bring bags to the market checkout counter that had sat on my kitchen floor, car floor, porch floor, etc.
Must be a hippy thing. I don't mind bringing my own bags and bagging my own.
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Mon May 04 2020, 03:03PM
A couple more things I forgot to mention....upon arrival to the emergency room front door (a very detailed screening process btw) I viewed only 1 person sitting off to the side in the corona screening area, one! Pulled right up to emergency and got a parking place btw, that never happens!
My wife was not allowed to enter emergency with me, had to wait in the car until I was diagnosed and when it was determined I would need surgery she was only allowed a brief visit with me in pre-op, and never allowed back in.
I didn`t actually see her again until she came to pick me up a couple days later. It didn`t bother me too much but I can see how people who are very anxious might freak out without someone by their side, very scary for some!
No one there to advocate for there loved ones while under heavy meds = bad decisions made by clouded patients.
Second, per the same previously mentioned staff I spoke with, NO ONE DENIED when asked about the mixing of numbers pertaining to the flu/respiratory death numbers that are being reported. This means that the numbers are corrupted and we will never know the actual covid numbers. Our governor claims he`s using the data to decided when/where he will open things back up but using "pumped-up" numbers from corrupted data means we`ll be closed much much longer that necessary! That`s why I and others have such a problem with this numbers game, it`s BS!
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Mon May 04 2020, 03:46PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
A couple more things I forgot to mention....upon arrival to the emergency room front door (a very detailed screening process btw) I viewed only 1 person sitting off to the side in the corona screening area, one! Pulled right up to emergency and got a parking place btw, that never happens!
My wife was not allowed to enter emergency with me, had to wait in the car until I was diagnosed and when it was determined I would need surgery she was only allowed a brief visit with me in pre-op, and never allowed back in.
I didn`t actually see her again until she came to pick me up a couple days later. It didn`t bother me too much but I can see how people who are very anxious might freak out without someone by their side, very scary for some!
No one there to advocate for there loved ones while under heavy meds = bad decisions made by clouded patients.
Second, per the same previously mentioned staff I spoke with, NO ONE DENIED when asked about the mixing of numbers pertaining to the flu/respiratory death numbers that are being reported. This means that the numbers are corrupted and we will never know the actual covid numbers. Our governor claims he`s using the data to decided when/where he will open things back up but using "pumped-up" numbers from corrupted data means we`ll be closed much much longer that necessary! That`s why I and others have such a problem with this numbers game, it`s BS!
A couple more things I forgot to mention....upon arrival to the emergency room front door (a very detailed screening process btw) I viewed only 1 person sitting off to the side in the corona screening area, one! Pulled right up to emergency and got a parking place btw, that never happens!
My wife was not allowed to enter emergency with me, had to wait in the car until I was diagnosed and when it was determined I would need surgery she was only allowed a brief visit with me in pre-op, and never allowed back in.
I didn`t actually see her again until she came to pick me up a couple days later. It didn`t bother me too much but I can see how people who are very anxious might freak out without someone by their side, very scary for some!
No one there to advocate for there loved ones while under heavy meds = bad decisions made by clouded patients.
Second, per the same previously mentioned staff I spoke with, NO ONE DENIED when asked about the mixing of numbers pertaining to the flu/respiratory death numbers that are being reported. This means that the numbers are corrupted and we will never know the actual covid numbers. Our governor claims he`s using the data to decided when/where he will open things back up but using "pumped-up" numbers from corrupted data means we`ll be closed much much longer that necessary! That`s why I and others have such a problem with this numbers game, it`s BS!
Yeah the numbers are so skewed now, completely in-accurate. I know of someone who died by heart-attack a couple weeks back, reason for death was put down as Covid19. Hospitals fluff their numbers for federal funding, this is just one of many, many, many examples I've heard first hand from friends. If you look at CDC's website, they actually have Covid19 deaths in the mid 30's, a little more realistic. Horrific none the less, but on par with a more typical flu season.
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Mon May 04 2020, 05:07PM
Right -on Benny!
The state/fed gov is keeping us closed based on an elaborate data system, CRAP IN, CRAP OUT makes this fancy data spew out a bunch of hooey! Keeping the 5th largest economy in world closed based of hooey data is absolutely insane! Besides, people are not staying in anyway, better to come up with a plan to manage that than try and keep people home, the majority are just not going to do it any longer!
Btw, isn`t the majority rule supposed to be what are democracy is based on?
Re: virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Mon May 04 2020, 08:22PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Btw, isn`t the majority rule supposed to be what are democracy is based on?
Btw, isn`t the majority rule supposed to be what are democracy is based on?
Actually, our government is a representative republic, not a democracy. Direct democracy is difficult to administer, ask the Occupy folks.
Periodically, the citizens exercise their right to elect their representative to the government, be it a council person, assembly, senate, etc. In California, elections are the “ two highest vote recipients”, in a primary (possibly members of the same political party) who face off in a subsequent general election.
A question comes up every election: are you happy with your government? Usually answered with ignorance and apathy: I don't know and I don’t care...
Now is the time to learn and the time to care. If you don’t like what is happening, make a difference. There is an election coming.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue May 05 2020, 06:02AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Re: virus pandemonia
springvalley, Wed May 06 2020, 09:10AM
147 new cases yesterday - so - sadly - the 2 days of no increase didn't hold.
With a 4-6 day incubation period - these would have been infected late last week, or over the weekend.
The other possibility - is that the paperwork didn't get updated over the weekend and all the cases got dumped into yesterday's numbers.
The next 2-3 day will show if this is a statistical anomaly - or a new increasing trend.
Re: virus pandemonia
BillyJean, Wed May 06 2020, 01:09PM
springvalley wrote ...
147 new cases yesterday - so - sadly - the 2 days of no increase didn't hold.
With a 4-6 day incubation period - these would have been infected late last week, or over the weekend.
The other possibility - is that the paperwork didn't get updated over the weekend and all the cases got dumped into yesterday's numbers.
The next 2-3 day will show if this is a statistical anomaly - or a new increasing trend.
147 new cases yesterday - so - sadly - the 2 days of no increase didn't hold.
With a 4-6 day incubation period - these would have been infected late last week, or over the weekend.
The other possibility - is that the paperwork didn't get updated over the weekend and all the cases got dumped into yesterday's numbers.
The next 2-3 day will show if this is a statistical anomaly - or a new increasing trend.
We're actually past this point now, time to return to some form of normalcy... Overall, numbers are decreasing, we've flattened the curve. 2 months is enough, back to work everybody!
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 02:54PM
Just read in the Grizzly, the City of BBL won't be allowing businesses to fully open any time soon. I guess that's what happens when sheeple elect morons. Wake up Big Bear. Your elected and appointed officials are destroying our community. The shutdown is a fraud and a political power play.
I'll be in Huntington Beach on Saturday to protest the statewide shutdown with people who actually care.
Information: ***https://wehaverights.com/ huntington-beach-ca***
Direct Link: [Click Here]
Please join us. Our community depends on you.
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Deb Doodah, Wed May 06 2020, 03:27PM
I’m sorry guys but maybe you should talk to a family that has lost a beloved family member to the virus. They don’t feel this is a political ploy or a scam. And maybe talk to someone that works in a COVID unit this is real as they sit and hold the hand of someone dying without their family. I have! My cousin is a nurse in one of those units and it is very real to her.
Have you thought that maybe the quick action of shutting things down may have kept us from getting Overwhelmed. I understand the frustration of being quarantined but quit making this political. It is about people, family’s losing their 32 year old father to something they don’t understand. Have a little compassion for those that have faced the virus head on.
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 03:31PM
Well if you consider this weekend soon, No the city won't be open. But reading the proposed protocol which the city is voting on Monday to accept and take to County and Governor for approval, they are fairly confident that things can start phase 1 5/14. Considering what we will be up against, I see that as 'soon'. Not soon enough for you? Then while in HB, why not stay down there with your fellow brethren rabble rousers, I am sure there are a number of Big Bearians that would appreciate the cooperation and thought of staying DTH. If protesters keep this whining up, Newsome will throw away the keys and YES HE CAN DO THAT AND DO IT LEGALLY and use the military if he has to. He closed the beaches, while there was a lot of whining most of the public abided and cooperated and guess what? He reduced some of the restrictions and allowed them to open back up some. You have gone this far, hang in there another week at least. Remember its not about YOU and/or a small select portion of the public that just doesn't get it but about EVERYBODY.
No offense to anyone here, just tired of the whining and posturing, and not looking forward to the new norm at all. Why rush it and take a chance of making it a permanent part of American life. I used to laugh at the pictures of the Japanese/Chinese general public wearing masks all the time. Now I am one of them and it sucks and listening to a bunch of selfish people taking a chance it making the entire situation worse isn't helping anyone. And this from one who would have rather seen CA fall off into the ocean than have Newsome in charge. I shudder the think what the situation would be if good ole Jerry was still in power Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Wed May 06 2020, 03:54PM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 04:09PM
Arguments supporting continued shutdowns and lock-downs in Big Bear are without merit. May 6th 2020: 2432 reported cases and 104 reported deaths countywide. These figures do not justify destroying our local economy and the livelihood of many. More people get the flu and die each year. Has common sense gone out the window?
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 04:41PM
A long long time ago Doc. Common sense hasn't been a commodity since the early 90s I think. Hasn't been taught in the schools for like ever. And when you mix religion, politics, basic human rights into the pot it gets really thick and muddy.
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KK, Wed May 06 2020, 04:44PM
Deb Doodah⭐ wrote ...
I’m sorry guys but maybe you should talk to a family that has lost a beloved family member to the virus. They don’t feel this is a political ploy or a scam. And maybe talk to someone that works in a COVID unit this is real as they sit and hold the hand of someone dying without their family. I have! My cousin is a nurse in one of those units and it is very real to her.
Have you thought that maybe the quick action of shutting things down may have kept us from getting Overwhelmed. I understand the frustration of being quarantined but quit making this political. It is about people, family’s losing their 32 year old father to something they don’t understand. Have a little compassion for those that have faced the virus head on.
We have a friend that is dying in a VA care facility in Loma Linda. No, not from the virus, but he is all alone because of it! My heart breaks for him and his family because of this horrible virus. We don’t have a terrible problem up here because of the compliance. I agree with you Deb!
I’m sorry guys but maybe you should talk to a family that has lost a beloved family member to the virus. They don’t feel this is a political ploy or a scam. And maybe talk to someone that works in a COVID unit this is real as they sit and hold the hand of someone dying without their family. I have! My cousin is a nurse in one of those units and it is very real to her.
Have you thought that maybe the quick action of shutting things down may have kept us from getting Overwhelmed. I understand the frustration of being quarantined but quit making this political. It is about people, family’s losing their 32 year old father to something they don’t understand. Have a little compassion for those that have faced the virus head on.
We have a friend that is dying in a VA care facility in Loma Linda. No, not from the virus, but he is all alone because of it! My heart breaks for him and his family because of this horrible virus. We don’t have a terrible problem up here because of the compliance. I agree with you Deb!
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 05:19PM
Big Bear Business Owners: Please defy orders and open your businesses now. Businesses have already opened all over the country. The US Constitution is on your side.
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MrOwl, Wed May 06 2020, 05:25PM
Where the cases come from in NY.
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srndpte, Wed May 06 2020, 05:37PM
Rdoctor are you seriously advocating that Big Bear business owners break the law and open just because you want them to? You must be a very important person. Personally I prefer to thank those business owners for obeying the shut down orders and keeping us safe. And those who head down to Huntington Beach and exercise your rights. Please stay down there and respect my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The rights given us by the Constitution pertain to ALL of us, not just those folks who agree with you.
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 05:42PM
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 05:43PM
So Doc, you going to cover bail and further lost wages when the owners are in jail? I guess you didn't see the salon owner in OC thrown in jail for 7 days for opening without permission. Go to HB, do your protest and stay the heck down there. We don't need dissension advocates stirring the pot up here and suggesting civil unrest is the way to solve your issues. Go break the law somewhere else.
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 06:05PM
Perhaps this headline will further encourage citizens to fight for their constitutional rights:
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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed May 06 2020, 06:09PM
C'mon on, don't just send a picture, send a link....
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Squatch, Wed May 06 2020, 06:28PM
Right on Dock, or freedom does not end where their fear begins!
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rdoctor, Wed May 06 2020, 06:38PM
We are taking back Big Bear. We are taking back our state. We are exercising our protections under the U.S. Constitution. Standing up to tyranny is not civil disobedience but the duty of Patriotic Americans.
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 07:44PM
Not sure what you point is with the picture of the devil incarnate, what ever, distract and confuse when the answer isn't the one that is wanted to be heard. How does it feel to be in a minority position against the big bad government? I doubt if any of the HB crew have half the Moxie that college student had years ago when he stood in front of that tank in that square by himself. HB is just a bunch of whining. Whambulance needs to be called.
Gonna look pretty silly 'taking back the city' and no one shows up or there isn't enough workers. Check out Texas and the newly opened empty malls. Re: virus pandemonia
springvalley, Wed May 06 2020, 09:07PM
Man - some of these people just can't stop bellowing about their "FREEDOMS!"
But wait a sec there Chief - Yes, but with your freedoms - comes a profound set of responsibilities to the rest of a free society - and one of those, is your responsibility to not be an accidental silent spreader of a disease - with no cure - barely any treatment - and a high mortality for some.
It's like watching somebody lob chunks of concrete off of an overpass - bellowing about their freedom to do so - and that nobody got hurt {and then they finally hit a car at random - and kill an innocent person} But they don't think they have any responsibility - they have their FREEDOM! to do so.
And maybe you have the right and "Freedom" to drop that concrete - but Sonny, you damned sure are fully responsible as a citizen, when you hit somebody. [These people might make the same argument that they are free to get loaded - drive off - and hit somebody - and it's not their fault because they are Free to drink and drive}
So, when they shout and posture in Huntington Beach remember that these folks would drop those chunks on you - because only they matter. And these folks will come back into our community right after it's done.
And finally, before this waste of electrons is finished. Stop with the flu comparisons. The really bad version flu might kill 50,000 people over a 4+ month flu season - Covid killed more than that in the first 59 days. [Now 74,800 dead - more than can fit in the Superdome]
And know - in some ways - we have been VERY lucky. This bug is a [censored] to be sure - but it's not a super great spreader - it's death rate may be about 1% [10 times flu] We got on it early and flattened the curve and the 74,000 dead is a fraction of the expectations at this point. If we get out of this, with less than 130,000 US dead it will be a missed bullet. But, chew on this - if MERS ever had an allele shift to be a wide spreader - THAT CoronaVirus has a 45% fatality rate.
I await the inevitable namecalling and witty "You sheeple" replies.
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Airport Razz, Wed May 06 2020, 09:54PM
Excellent dissertation on the meaning of Freedom. Cannot forget the responsibilities to the rest of society while exercising those freedoms. I don't remember exactly where I heard this but those people that these protesters are putting at risk are the ones that were unwilling drafted, removed from family and friends to sacrifice life and limb in the process of securing those 'Freedoms' these selfish protesters attest to have being taken away from them. No Respect. Not for others or their selves
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rocketscientist, Thu May 07 2020, 04:49AM
rdoctor wrote ...
More people get the flu and die each year.
More people get the flu and die each year.
Doc, even though I quoted your post, I've heard this said a lot, so my comment is for everyone that said it and not just you.
People get killed by drunk drivers every day. So, I think we should repeal all the laws against DUI. Lots of people manage to get home O.K. when they're over the limit. If people are afraid of getting killed by someone under the influence, they can just stay home.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 05:52AM
As long as you want to protest what about this stuff
That 25-MPH speed limit at in front of grade schools
That student that isn’t allowed to bring Peanuts to school because of some other kid has an allergy.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 05:53AM
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 06:09AM
Population in households in Big Bear City
Total Population: 12,286
Male Population: 6,225
Under 5 years: 367
5 to 9 years: 396
10 to 14 years: 440
15 to 17 years: 301
18 and 19 years: 170
20 years: 85
21 years: 65
22 to 24 years: 177
25 to 29 years: 334
30 to 34 years: 343
35 to 39 years: 303
40 to 44 years: 390
45 to 49 years: 445
50 to 54 years: 561
55 to 59 years: 515
60 and 61 years: 212
62 to 64 years: 247
65 and 66 years: 127
67 to 69 years: 186
70 to 74 years: 251
75 to 79 years: 181
80 to 84 years: 90
85 years and over: 39
Female Population: 6,061
Under 5 years: 386
5 to 9 years: 348
10 to 14 years: 348
15 to 17 years: 277
18 and 19 years: 148
20 years: 51
21 years: 52
22 to 24 years: 167
25 to 29 years: 301
30 to 34 years: 302
35 to 39 years: 309
40 to 44 years: 408
45 to 49 years: 476
50 to 54 years: 596
55 to 59 years: 581
60 and 61 years: 181
62 to 64 years: 243
65 and 66 years: 138
67 to 69 years: 198
70 to 74 years: 236
75 to 79 years: 157
80 to 84 years: 94
85 years and over: 64
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Airport Razz, Thu May 07 2020, 06:38AM
Heard on morning news from LA traveler. "I don't like the mask, don't feel I need to wear a mask but out of respect of the driver and the other travelers I put one on". Key phrase - RESPECT FOR OTHERS.
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Squatch, Thu May 07 2020, 10:31AM
Oh Brother!
Like lobbing chunks of concrete? 45% fatality rate?
Kook-Kook Ka-Choo, you ARE the Walrus !!!
Nuff said!
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springvalley, Thu May 07 2020, 12:06PM
OK OK - I had a typo - it's 35% fatality rate for MERS
[Click Here]
Feel better now. 35% of MERS coronavirus patients die.
Yeah, that's so much better.
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Squatch, Thu May 07 2020, 12:54PM
Having recently been in the hospital (non-covid related) and spoken with many levels of staff, and via feedback by others "in the trenches," the numbers you`re regurgitating are completely non-factual BOGUS statistics! Go back and read thru all of the posts and check the REAL facts if you can even find any!
Concrete blocks, REALLY?
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springvalley, Thu May 07 2020, 01:22PM
Seriously - google some medical journal citations (I actually urge anybody reading this to check the numbers yourself if you find my sources fantastical)
"MERS fatality rate" (around 35%)
"SARS fatality rate" (around 11%)
Covid 19 may end up at 1% But, it has had a MUCH wider spread than MERS or SARS ever had.
That link is to the Canadian Journal of Respiratory Therapy - if multiple peer reviewed literature sources is outvoted by "people in the trenches" - then fine.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu May 07 2020, 02:40PM
WOW springvalley. I never knew MERS was transmitted from camels until I read your post.
Midnight at the oasis
Send your camel to bed
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu May 07 2020, 02:41PM
Yea kill the economy for a 1% fatality rate......
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mountainart, Thu May 07 2020, 02:57PM
CDC just posted TB and other related deaths to top 150,000 because of social distancing and home lockdowns. Not including he estimated 600,000 other preventable deaths that will occur because people are afraid to go to hospitals
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 05:03PM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,562
▲ 5.3% from previous day (2,432)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.9 Days
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Hooky Bobber, Thu May 07 2020, 05:09PM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 38
Angelus Oaks 0
Apple Valley 41
Barstow 9
Big Bear City* 3
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 36
Blue Jay 0
Chino* 168
Chino Hills 69
Colton* 101
Crestline 10
Fontana* 310
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 72
Highland* 78
Joshua Tree* 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 45
Mentone* 16
Montclair 39
Morongo Valley 6
Oak Hills 15
Ontario 215
Piñon Hills 0
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga* 133
Redlands* 144
Rialto 125
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 4
San Bernardino* 330
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland* 100
Victorville* 106
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa* 180
Yucca Valley* 12
Undetermined 104
Grand Total 2,562
23up on the mountain. Cresline it looks like nothings working
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Airport Razz, Thu May 07 2020, 05:18PM
Crestline and part of Lake Arrowhead have the additional challenge of being bedroom communities.
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springvalley, Thu May 07 2020, 09:37PM
Thanks for looking Polar Orbit - MERS seemed to be linked to the camel birthing season - But, Since MERS fizzled out - all the research into it and SARS kinda came to a stop.
Which is a real shame - because if they had come up with a usable coronavirus vaccine back then - we'd be miles ahead on this one. The sad fact is that we stink at developing vaccines to single strand RNA viruses in general. (like Ebola / Marburg / Dengue / West Nile etc. none of which have a workable vaccine despite more than a decade)
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springvalley, Thu May 07 2020, 10:43PM
Butler Peak - Perhaps I should expand - please know that the 1% rate is including the newly discovered group of "silent positives" that are coming to light, now that a little more testing is being done in Gen Pop. There seems to be 3 groups - clear - asymptomatic spreaders - and those that show symptoms.
The Current Reality (based on date up to today) is that if you DO show symptoms and are confirmed positive - you have troubles. The fatality rate is a fraction less than 6%. (1.3 million cases - 77,000 dead)
(even the local Sbd dashboard shows it currently at 4.2%)
I'm trying to be positive here and still get sneered at.
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wisteria1, Fri May 08 2020, 07:12AM
"Cresline it looks like nothings working"
I am sticking with my theory that the statistics are nearly meaningless without widespread testing (a statistically valid sample size).
Crestline? Yes. we have 10 positives but as of today's Dashboard it lists the number of tests performed by city and, at 101, Crestline is on track for the same 10% of those tested being positive likely because the only people being tested do so because they are symptomatic, not just curious. In addition, the population of Crestline is @ 10,000 if anyone wants to do the math on that percentage.
What I do find interesting is that Lake Arrowhead, a much more active tourist/visitor area, with a larger population, is not listed either for positives OR number tested. NO ONE from Arrowhead has dropped by MCH's four-day-a-week COVID testing right in their own town?
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RH_Runner, Fri May 08 2020, 07:30AM
wisteria1 wrote ...
"Cresline it looks like nothings working"
What I do find interesting is that Lake Arrowhead, a much more active tourist/visitor area, with a larger population, is not listed either for positives OR number tested. NO ONE from Arrowhead has dropped by MCH's four-day-a-week COVID testing right in their own town?
"Cresline it looks like nothings working"
What I do find interesting is that Lake Arrowhead, a much more active tourist/visitor area, with a larger population, is not listed either for positives OR number tested. NO ONE from Arrowhead has dropped by MCH's four-day-a-week COVID testing right in their own town?
Not I!. No symptoms that are needed for a test at MCH.
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wisteria1, Fri May 08 2020, 08:05AM
"Not I!. No symptoms that are needed for a test at MCH. "
In attempting to be brief, I was unclear
In these months of testing, I find it strange that Arrowhead hasn't had even one test done much less a positive result. they're completely missing from the Dashboard.
And my interest is not inter-town rivalry, I love Instacart but some of Staters PPE protocols for the drivers seem a bit loose and, as a high risk patient myself, I'd just like the data to make an informed decision on least likely grocery store to kill me. (And I say that semi-facetiously. On the spectrum from "there's nothing going on" to "gargle bleach", I fall squarely into the "reasonable precautions" category).
I'd ask the County but I suspect they have their hands full with the pandemic and saving lives 'n stuff.
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Squatch, Fri May 08 2020, 08:49AM
Check this out, funny, Corona Virus Horse Race (a little levity)
[Click Here]
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springvalley, Fri May 08 2020, 01:43PM
Squatch - that's pretty good!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 08 2020, 08:00PM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,562
▲ 5.3% from previous day (2,432)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.9 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,562
▲ 5.3% from previous day (2,432)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.9 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,629
▲ 2.6% from previous day (2,562)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0405001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.1 Days
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 08 2020, 08:01PM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 38
Angelus Oaks 0
Apple Valley 41
Barstow 9
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 5
Bloomington 39
Blue Jay 0
Chino* 175
Chino Hills 70
Colton* 105
Crestline 10
Fontana* 315
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 73
Highland* 79
Joshua Tree* 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 46
Mentone* 17
Montclair 40
Morongo Valley 6
Oak Hills 15
Ontario 218
Piñon Hills 0
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga* 132
Redlands* 150
Rialto 128
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 4
San Bernardino* 352
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland* 102
Victorville* 111
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa* 183
Yucca Valley* 12
Undetermined 102
Grand Total 2,629
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Hooky Bobber, Fri May 08 2020, 08:07PM
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan will begin lifting its coronavirus lockdown on Saturday, Prime Minister Imran Khan said, hours after the country announced its highest daily increase in new cases.
Pakistan, where a poorly enforced shutdown has been in place since late March, has recorded 24,073 cases of COVID-19, with 564 deaths. On Thursday, authorities said there had been 1,523 new cases and 38 deaths in the preceding 24 hours.
"We're deciding that we are ending this lockdown now," Khan said in a televised address on Thursday. "We know that we're doing it at a time when our curve is going up ... but it is not edging up as we were expecting."
Impoverished Pakistanis cannot survive under lockdown any longer, Khan said. "Since we started this lockdown, we had this fear that these people who are daily wagers, who feed their kids on daily earnings, what will happen to them?" he asked.
He said the shutdown would be lifted in phases and warned people that the disease could get out of control if they didn't take precautions.
The government's handling of the virus has been strongly criticised by scientists and doctors who fear the outbreak will gather pace among a population of more than 200 million and overwhelm the country's struggling health system.
"It will definitely lead to an increase in the number of cases, the number of critical cases," the secretary of Pakistan's Young Doctors' Association, Salman Kazmi, told Reuters. "We are concerned about pressure that will come on the hospitals."
Planning Minister Asad Umar said that initially small markets and shops would be allowed to open until 5 p.m., although big malls and other spaces which attract large crowds would remain closed for now.
A decision to reopen intercity transport and railways will be taken later, while schools will stay closed until July 15, Umar said.
Khan said the restrictions could be restored if the outbreak worsens, something his critics expect to happen due to what they describe as a confused policy response to the crisis and capitulation to Islamist clerics.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri May 08 2020, 08:10PM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,562
▲ 5.3% from previous day (2,432)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.9 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,562
▲ 5.3% from previous day (2,432)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.9 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,629
▲ 2.6% from previous day (2,562)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0405001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.1 Days
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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri May 08 2020, 10:17PM
SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY NEWS RELEASE MAY 8 2020
Face Coverings (masks) are now optional.
Face coverings are no longer required - but still recommended - in San Bernardino County as the result of new health order requested by the Board of Supervisors The new order repeals the April 23 omnibus health order that required face coverings as well as social distancing at essential businesses, and banned gatherings and short-term rentals.
Although no longer regulated by a county health order, gatherings and short-term rentals are still prohibited and social distancing at essential businesses are still required under the state's "stay-at-home" order. The County strongly urges everyone to continue wearing face coverings in public to slow the spread of the COVID-l 9 virus, and businesses may still require face coverings for customers and employees," said Board of Supervisors Chairman Curt Hagman. "But repealing the local health orders and deferring to the less-restrictive state orders will allow the County to reopen businesses more quickly as the governor continues to relax standards."
Many types of businesses were allowed to reopen today under certain conditions. The Board of Supervisors on Thursday adopted a Readiness and Reopening Plan and made plans to seek the governor's consent to open many other types of businesses next week. The board plans to discuss additional details on Tuesday morning at 9 a.m. That meeting can be viewed on the CountyDirect Broadcast Network at [Click Here].
Information related to COVID-l 9 in San Bernardino County can be found at http://sbcovid 19.com/.
Link to full revised order from the SB County Public Health Office: [Click Here]
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rdoctor, Fri May 08 2020, 10:45PM
Time to get back to work now. Open everything back up. This is not the Plague that killed millions. Still be careful with the elderly, but Americans will judge their own risk and when they want to get back out there. For business owners their companies and workers are essential.
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Nature, Fri May 08 2020, 11:54PM
I’m guessing by the the end of June we will all know where this stands.
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Airport Razz, Sat May 09 2020, 01:43PM
So the county's new position is it is better to do nothing 'extra'? Is this the way to be 'better' prepared to re-open businesses more quickly as the governor continues to relax standards? When did going backwards make going farther forwards easier unless you are a battering ram? What I see here is the spoiled children (City/County) just got their feeling hurt because Parent Newsome said thank you for trying but I want something else before I allow you to go to the dance. The spoiled children took offense and are taking their toys and going home to pout. Are we to point of NUKE EM ALL, let god sort them out? Glad to hear we have been put through hell for the last 2 months to be right back where we were 4 (?) weeks ago. Again, SMH continually still
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mountainart, Sat May 09 2020, 02:21PM
Newsome's edict of arbitrary 14 days with no deaths , and 1 in 1000 positive new test results for counties to open. Estimated that 1 in 100 have it, so what he in effect is deliberately doing is ensuring we don't ever open, and turn cali into a miserable hellhole of 3rd world epic proportions, which Nunes was overheard in Sacremento to say "that should being a lot more people to the democratic party".
Playing god with peoples lives, without lawful basis. How long before the media can no longer keep acting as govt spokespieces, when people literally start to starve.
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SSJ2012, Sat May 09 2020, 03:01PM
Razz, I think a lot of problem is, everything people were told fear hasn’t materialized except the meat shortage. Having rules set to say a county can’t reopen until there’s zero deaths for 14 days is completely unobtainable goal. There’s no enforcement of the stay at order, maybe grand total of 10 tickets issued for the entire state? Honestly I think we’re at point we need to roll the dice and worry about protecting yourself and family since a lot people are just doing their thing. If my step mother hasn’t caught the virus working at the nursing home where cases have now hit 50% of the staff and patients. I’m not as worried, she’s taking precautions at work and at home, and that seems to be the best practice.
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Airport Razz, Sat May 09 2020, 04:07PM
It is amazing what a little common sense and some basic hygiene will do for a cold outbreak. Probably best thing that has happened is that people that are marginally sick and still coming to work aren't doing that now. Never liked crowds just because of the 'snot' factor
and if had to be in did take those extra precautions along with staying to the fringes of the crowd. Now I understand my affinity for fire exits Re: virus pandemonia
Dave™, Sat May 09 2020, 08:06PM
Being part of the older group I sure wish I could feel better about all this...
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Nature, Sat May 09 2020, 09:29PM
Dave if you don’t “have to” work, keep doing what you are doing. Anyone who doesn’t trust decisions being made for us then don’t participate.
I fully intend to continue being overly cautious according to those who want normalcy.
I feel deeply for families and individuals who are desperate to get back to work.
I believe s second wave may prove to be more scary than this first wave and results may be very different adding more issues than present issues.
Let’s see what happens June/July.
I sincerely hope only good happens and we can relax.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Sun May 10 2020, 07:31AM
Location Positive Cases
Adelanto 38
Angelus Oaks 0
Apple Valley 40
Barstow 9
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 6
Bloomington 40
Blue Jay 0
Chino* 359
Chino Hills 73
Colton* 110
Crestline 10
Fontana* 331
Fort Irwin 2
Grand Terrace 15
Hesperia 73
Highland* 83
Joshua Tree* 15
Landers 0
Loma Linda 46
Mentone* 17
Montclair 42
Morongo Valley 6
Oak Hills 16
Ontario 232
Piñon Hills 0
Phelan 9
Rancho Cucamonga* 137
Redlands* 151
Rialto 135
Rimforest 1
Running Springs 4
San Bernardino* 367
Twentynine Palms 5
Upland* 103
Victorville* 113
Wrightwood 1
Yucaipa* 184
Yucca Valley* 15
Undetermined 110
Grand Total 2,902
Locations identified
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Sun May 10 2020, 07:40AM
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,629
▲ 2.6% from previous day (2,562)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0405001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.1 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,562
▲ 5.3% from previous day (2,432)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.9 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Sky Line Drive wrote ...
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
1,928
▲ 5.5% from previous day (1,827)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,058
▲ 6.7% from previous day (1,928)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,113
▲ 2.7% from previous day (2,058)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
10.4 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
03/1603/2303/3004/0604/1304/2004/270100200New Cases Per Day
Confirmed Cases
2,182
▲ 0% from previous day (2,182)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,500Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.2 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,432
▲ 4.4% from previous day (2,329)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.7 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,562
▲ 5.3% from previous day (2,432)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1403/1903/2403/ 2904/0304/0804/1304/1804/2304/2805/0305001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
11.9 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,629
▲ 2.6% from previous day (2,562)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0405001,0001,5002,0002,5003,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.1 Days
Confirmed Cases
2,902
▲ 10.4% from previous day (2,629)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0401,0002,0003,0004,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.1 Days
Re: virus pandemonia
rsbruce, Sun May 10 2020, 05:45PM
Can somebody help me understand why San Bernardino County is allowing opening AND removed mandate of face coverings?
Thank you
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cricket, Sun May 10 2020, 05:56PM
RSBruce...the County leadership is weak sauce. They are cow-towing to a vocal minority. Keep you and yours safe. This is going to crash and burn. The cases have never gone down...they keep climbing. The Big Bear Valley cases went up. After this weekend I am sure you will see the fruit of their labors in short order. The City of Big Bear Lake leadership is just as bad. Worried more about hanging onto trinket shops full of cheap junk mass produced in China than the townspeople...some who have roots here for generations.
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MtMan, Sun May 10 2020, 06:55PM
Yes, we are all going to die.....
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rsbruce, Sun May 10 2020, 07:29PM
Thank you for your contribution to the conversation MtMan.
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Airport Razz, Mon May 11 2020, 07:47AM
Experienced some of what the new world will be like next couple of months this weekend. Ended up going out and doing my first 'face-to-face" bid this weekend. Previous customer that I am fairly sure hasn't been running up/down the hill, home schooling the kids, etc etc. Still showed up, hit what little hand sanitizer we still have on hand, gloved up and put on the mask. Owner wasn't wearing mask being in their own home I'm sure but still wore mine out of respect for them. Did what I had to do, touched as little as I possible could. And I have to say this. Not having those facial cues plus the distraction of having your face wrapped in fabric, is was a rather difficult chore and did not enjoy the experience at all. As leaving, of course, no hand shake, fist bump, toe kick, just a slight wave and would be in touch. Stripped off the gloved (approved removal method of course
) dropped off the mask and sucked in that wonderful mountain air and not my CO laden return air. Hit the hand sanitizer, seeing the bottle empty even further knowing that there is no ready replacement source, but then with the new 'ruling's I don't see any vacation rental or major 2nd home use starting up any time soon. Was not an enjoyable experience other than getting out of the house, even if it was just to the other side of the airport . New world is going to take some adjustmentsRe: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Mon May 11 2020, 07:56AM
Saw an interesting 'solution' for social distancing in a restaurant prepping for hopes to open in the near future. The solution was the owner hung clear shower curtains around all the booths. I guess is does the intended operation but here is my question. How desperate does one have to be to go out to eat to subject oneself to such conditions?? I don't see that as an enjoyable dining experience. No matter whom I am with or what I'm eating for lunch/dinner. I just don't see sitting in a restaurant being waited on by a server in face mask, gloves, apron and social distance, and I certainly don't want to be sitting inside of a plastic cocoon. Some of the smaller restaurants, unless there is some patio seating, will only be able to handle maybe 4-5 groups of 4, if that. Most of them were barely surviving before this hit, how are they going to be able to survive with such restrictions. Surprised that more haven't fallen through the rabbit hole already, sure that there are a few that are just hanging on by threads. Curious to hear other thoughts on the upcoming world we will have to learn to live in.
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NShore.Allen, Mon May 11 2020, 08:50AM
This have been done before: Years ago, my dad took the family to a fancy Chinese restaraunt in China Town/San Francisco. We had our own room, big table with a lazy susan, small table with a water pitcher. The waiter would knock then enter the room. The only time we saw anyone else was entering and leaving.
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Tlingit, Mon May 11 2020, 12:36PM
Airport Razz wrote ...
Saw an interesting 'solution' for social distancing in a restaurant prepping for hopes to open in the near future. The solution was the owner hung clear shower curtains around all the booths. I guess is does the intended operation but here is my question. How desperate does one have to be to go out to eat to subject oneself to such conditions?? I don't see that as an enjoyable dining experience. No matter whom I am with or what I'm eating for lunch/dinner. I just don't see sitting in a restaurant being waited on by a server in face mask, gloves, apron and social distance, and I certainly don't want to be sitting inside of a plastic cocoon. Some of the smaller restaurants, unless there is some patio seating, will only be able to handle maybe 4-5 groups of 4, if that. Most of them were barely surviving before this hit, how are they going to be able to survive with such restrictions. Surprised that more haven't fallen through the rabbit hole already, sure that there are a few that are just hanging on by threads. Curious to hear other thoughts on the upcoming world we will have to learn to live in.
Saw an interesting 'solution' for social distancing in a restaurant prepping for hopes to open in the near future. The solution was the owner hung clear shower curtains around all the booths. I guess is does the intended operation but here is my question. How desperate does one have to be to go out to eat to subject oneself to such conditions?? I don't see that as an enjoyable dining experience. No matter whom I am with or what I'm eating for lunch/dinner. I just don't see sitting in a restaurant being waited on by a server in face mask, gloves, apron and social distance, and I certainly don't want to be sitting inside of a plastic cocoon. Some of the smaller restaurants, unless there is some patio seating, will only be able to handle maybe 4-5 groups of 4, if that. Most of them were barely surviving before this hit, how are they going to be able to survive with such restrictions. Surprised that more haven't fallen through the rabbit hole already, sure that there are a few that are just hanging on by threads. Curious to hear other thoughts on the upcoming world we will have to learn to live in.
When my wife finished her first marathon this year, I took her to a Japanese restaurant to celebrate. we had a private room that I found both comforting and intimate. But then again, I am an introvert.
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Nature, Mon May 11 2020, 12:50PM
Had a quick doctors visit and a conversation with the doctor. When I was there, there was a need to test someone for Covid. Felt a little different knowing someone was in a small room with me who may have the virus. The conclusion is, between my doctor and myself, the authorities are lying through their teeth about the numbers everywhere, including right here in Big Bear. The only thing I can think is, when that is realized and brought to the surface, we will get things back to normal sooner instead of delaying them by opening too fast. I guess they figure the risk is worth the dollars in the interim.
Stupid.
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rdoctor, Mon May 11 2020, 01:52PM
Best Sign Found Today!
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Squatch, Mon May 11 2020, 04:59PM
One word: RECALL!
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Deb Doodah, Mon May 11 2020, 05:27PM
Guys please don’t make this thread political or we will have to move it and that won’t help anyone. Thank you.
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rdoctor, Mon May 11 2020, 06:03PM
This has nothing to do with politics. This has everything to do with the livelihoods Newsom is destroying. He should resign. BTW I have no party affiliation.
Elon Musk to defy coronavirus stay-at-home order as California Gov. Newsom talks Tesla production restart
'I will be on the line with everyone else,' Musk tweeted. 'If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me.'
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 11 2020, 06:21PM
Confirmed Cases
3,015
▲ 1.7% from previous day (2,964)
Confirmed Cases Per Day (Cumulative)
03/1603/2303/3004/ 0604/1304/2004/2705/0405/1101,0002,0003,0004,000Number of Cases
Doubling Time
12.6 Days
Confirmed Cases Per Day (New)
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 11 2020, 06:22PM
rdoctor wrote ...
Best Sign Found Today!
Best Sign Found Today!
GO LUCERNE VALLEY
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cricket, Mon May 11 2020, 08:40PM
I wish people would not repost on and repost on and repost on where one small thought is three quarters of a page long. You know who you are.
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rdoctor, Mon May 11 2020, 08:53PM
I agree with Cricket. Thank you.
Shelley Luther's small business support site:
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Benny ⭐, Mon May 11 2020, 09:43PM
cricket wrote ...
I wish people would not repost on and repost on and repost on where one small thought is three quarters of a page long. You know who you are.
I wish people would not repost on and repost on and repost on where one small thought is three quarters of a page long. You know who you are.
Better?
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Hooky Bobber, Tue May 12 2020, 05:05AM
cricket wrote ...
I wish people would not repost on and repost on and repost on where one small thought is three quarters of a page long. You know who you are.
I wish people would not repost on and repost on and repost on where one small thought is three quarters of a page long. You know who you are.
The post was growing like the Virus anoying. Sorry Cricket for posting what seems like a ray of good news
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Hooky Bobber, Tue May 12 2020, 05:07AM
rdoctor wrote ...
I agree with Cricket. Thank you.
Shelley Luther's small business support site:
[Click Here]
I agree with Cricket. Thank you.
Shelley Luther's small business support site:
[Click Here]
WTF
political crap Now a petition
We, the undersigned, are taking a stand to support small business owners and workers who face excessive government overreach and abuse. We believe that our civil liberties and Constitutional rights shall never be infringed. We have the Courage to Stand.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue May 12 2020, 05:12AM
I have friends that I went to school with up here 60 years ago I would hate to see them get sick from this if really blows up in a second wave. California with 70,978 confirmed and if only 1 person started the infections in the state. What the number going to be in 3 months with an unknown mass out if they stop.
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SSJ2012, Tue May 12 2020, 05:40AM
Yesterday went to doctors, had to have some bloodwork done, all the staff was wearing PPE, what blew me away, where I had to have my blood work done, happened to also be a testing site watched 5 cars with total of 8 people in car going to get tested, 5 weren’t wear mask. On ended up going to Taco Bell drive thru, across the street. Then a little fender bender, 3 cop cars, AMR and one fire truck, only 1 firefighter and AMR wore PPE after they got out. With everyone huddled around the gal complaining about back. FYI, emergency room was only 1/4 mile away.
Folks it’s up to you to take care of yourself and loved ones. If you’re counting on the government or others to act in your best interest, your in for shock. I’ve seen way too many people not care about themselves, why should I expect them to care for me. News stories of birthday party in Pasadena, inmates trying to get infected so they can be released, and what I’ve seen with my eyes.
Be safe and keep your love ones safe.
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Hooky Bobber, Tue May 12 2020, 06:54AM
[Click Here]
Updated on May 8 at 11:54 a.m. ET
Sixty-four children and teens in New York State are suspected of having a mysterious inflammatory syndrome that is believed to be linked to COVID-19, the New York Department of Health said in an alert issued Wednesday. A growing number of similar cases — including at least one death — have been reported in other parts of the U.S. and Europe, though the phenomenon is still not well-understood.
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springvalley, Tue May 12 2020, 01:33PM
For 40 years there's been a sign on the door "No Shoes - No shirt - no service" (because - you know hygiene)
Now - if you ask somebody to wear a mask - it's suddenly a brutal assault on personal liberty??
No - it's hygiene - and asking for a tiny bit of personal responsibility
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Airport Razz, Tue May 12 2020, 03:41PM
The ones I'm enjoying are the ones that at the very beginning were 'OMG, you can't go outside, you will bring it back to the family'. So 60 days later of home schooling, mask goes flying, kids no mask, going through stater brothers and takes offense because someone in line mentioned that there still was a sign on the door requiring a mask inside the store. Once again it's all relative to ones own perspective. I do remember the no shirt no shoes no service sign becoming a standard when I was a kid. I don't remember a big hulabaloo and it made sense oh my.
And I grew up in an arm pit of CA, Ridgecrest, home of the Desert Red Neck species. They are meaner than the mountain version as they don't have snow in winter to cool off with Re: virus pandemonia
KK, Tue May 12 2020, 04:02PM
Ha! Vons is trying so hard but then you have the butt wipes with no mask, no gloves and purposely coughing on the ones that do! They go up the down and down the up just to be nastier! I would never wish illness on anyone but what about my rights to protect myself and loved ones? Karma is all I can say...or is it covid?
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Cornbread, Tue May 12 2020, 04:17PM
Check out this video. I am in agreement with this Dr. 100%. Everything needs to be opened back up so we can get back to our lives. To many small businesses will not be able to reopen and MANY people are out of work because of a virus that 98% of us won't even get. And when everything is opened back up and you still want to stay Quarantined, well that is YOUR choice and you get to make that decision.
This is not a political rant, but if the moderators think it is than you have to do what you have to do. I am just tired of this whole thing. I think it has been blown way out control.
[Click Here]
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Squatch, Tue May 12 2020, 04:56PM
Right on Cornbread, this is about people losing their lives and livelihoods over a virus that has no real scientific or medical data that supports the shutdown, all of the models have been proven wrong, the tests are faulty. Can't understand why those who are scared think it is OK to make everyone suffer over the possibility of getting sick - thousands of people die everyday in America without Covid, the numbers are overblown, every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors, what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
Take a few minutes to watch this video, it is quite funny and at the same time a sad example of how many seem to have lost the ability to reason.
[Click Here]
What It's Like to Believe Everything the Media Tells You
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rdoctor, Tue May 12 2020, 07:41PM
California will be locked down for as long as possible going into the November elections. Los Angeles County already announced today they'll be locked down until August. And as they have done before, they'll likely extend that date too going into the November election. Newsom will toss a bone now and then while the people become impoverished. He and Garcetti know the sheeple do not have the guts to rise up because of their fear of catching the virus.
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MtMan, Tue May 12 2020, 11:10PM
And there is how to control society......fear. I'm done with living in fear, fear for you and fear for me. Call me what you want, don't care. Our constitutional rights are being trampled. How? Fear. When one gets arrested for simply surfing on an ocean alone or protesting, then freedom is eroded. I want to live in freedom, you know, the freedom guaranteed by God and our constitution. Those of you that want to live in fear? Your choice. I have the right to make mine, I choose freedom.
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MtMan, Tue May 12 2020, 11:23PM
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Hooky Bobber, Wed May 13 2020, 08:01AM
SQUATCH
[u wrote ...
[bthe numbers are overblown, ]every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors[/b[/u]], what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
[u wrote ...
[bthe numbers are overblown, ]every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors[/b[/u]], what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
you have a link to this
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Squatch, Wed May 13 2020, 10:06AM
Skyline - my mistake, not HHS, but CDC
[Click Here]
Note at bottom of page COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death . - note - no test needed (my remark)
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Numbers above
Here's all you need to know about Governor Gruesome, of course it highlights how he is a "man of the people", the elite people of course
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Ben Franklin said "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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Cornbread, Wed May 13 2020, 03:34PM
This video is great and funny
[Click Here]
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Squatch, Wed May 13 2020, 03:41PM
Cornbread, posted this yesterday, click below to see the whole video (repost)
Right on Cornbread, this is about people losing their lives and livelihoods over a virus that has no real scientific or medical data that supports the shutdown, all of the models have been proven wrong, the tests are faulty. Can't understand why those who are scared think it is OK to make everyone suffer over the possibility of getting sick - thousands of people die everyday in America without Covid, the numbers are overblown, every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors, what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
Take a few minutes to watch this video, it is quite funny and at the same time a sad example of how many seem to have lost the ability to reason.
Right on Cornbread, this is about people losing their lives and livelihoods over a virus that has no real scientific or medical data that supports the shutdown, all of the models have been proven wrong, the tests are faulty. Can't understand why those who are scared think it is OK to make everyone suffer over the possibility of getting sick - thousands of people die everyday in America without Covid, the numbers are overblown, every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors, what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
Take a few minutes to watch this video, it is quite funny and at the same time a sad example of how many seem to have lost the ability to reason.
Right on Cornbread, this is about people losing their lives and livelihoods over a virus that has no real scientific or medical data that supports the shutdown, all of the models have been proven wrong, the tests are faulty. Can't understand why those who are scared think it is OK to make everyone suffer over the possibility of getting sick - thousands of people die everyday in America without Covid, the numbers are overblown, every death is being recorded as a Covid death per the instructions from HHS to the doctors, what has happened to our country, it makes no sense. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING AS A COURTESY, THAT IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!
Take a few minutes to watch this video, it is quite funny and at the same time a sad example of how many seem to have lost the ability to reason.
[Click Here]
What It's Like to Believe Everything the Media Tells You
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Cornbread, Wed May 13 2020, 04:17PM
My bad Squatch. I forgot where I originally saw this video.
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srndpte, Wed May 13 2020, 04:38PM
ummm, admins? I wonder if you could split this thread in two parts- one for covid-19 news and information and one for political rants like those above my post.
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springvalley, Wed May 13 2020, 05:04PM
Cosigned. The political shouting is neither helpful, nor particularly accurate.
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rdoctor, Thu May 14 2020, 12:25PM
Best quote of the day:
"When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health. When the State puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous, but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health! When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot, but dangerous to go to your local hobby store it's not about your health. When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health. When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health. When the State bans dental visits because it’s unsafe, but deems abortions are safe, it's not about your health. When the State tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health! When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH. WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes and ears to what is happening!"
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Nature, Thu May 14 2020, 12:52PM
You know... I’ve had people in my circle move to Texas and Arizona because they liked those states so much more.
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Benny ⭐, Thu May 14 2020, 02:39PM
Nature wrote ...
You know... I’ve had people in my circle move to Texas and Arizona because they liked those states so much more.
You know... I’ve had people in my circle move to Texas and Arizona because they liked those states so much more.
Same here..... and Idaho, don't forget about Idaho! All 3 are great states, I have friends in all of them. I'm eyeing Arizona, fun there during monsoon season!
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SCM ALERT🚨, Thu May 14 2020, 02:40PM
My SCM Friends: Please keep the political discussions in the Politics Forum.
Thank you!
srndpte wrote ...
ummm, admins? I wonder if you could split this thread in two parts- one for covid-19 news and information and one for political rants like those above my post.
ummm, admins? I wonder if you could split this thread in two parts- one for covid-19 news and information and one for political rants like those above my post.
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Nature, Thu May 14 2020, 06:41PM
Idaho is very nice.
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srndpte, Thu May 14 2020, 06:47PM
thank you SCM Alert!
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MrOwl, Thu May 14 2020, 06:59PM
Nature wrote ...
Idaho is very nice.
Idaho is very nice.
It's horrible, cold and crowded.
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Mtngoat John⭐, Thu May 14 2020, 07:00PM
Nature wrote ...
Idaho is very nice.
Idaho is very nice.
Actually it is a horrible place. Wildfires galore, wasps the size of elephants, lakes and rivers that are a downright menace to the public. Snow, snow and more snow, followed by torrential flooding and mud season. Gun fire constantly, wild weather, horrible lightning storms and the wind, don't even get me started on the wind. ID should be avoided at all cost. The preceding has been a PSA from the N ID Chamber of Commerce.
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Squatch, Thu May 14 2020, 07:05PM
Well guys/gals, it looks like our pointing out the government`s bad decisions and policies based on severely flawed data concerning the Covid has now officially been branded POLITICAL! Never mind the clear connections as they relate to Covid!
Kinda sad, CENSORSHIP....first Facebook, Youtube, Tritter, Google and now Socal Mountain Forums!
Political section viewable by "members only! Really!
I will continue to fight for ALL of OUR rights, maybe one day the "naysayers " will get it before it`s too late!
Cheers to All....
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rdoctor, Thu May 14 2020, 07:45PM
Thank you for saying that Squatch. There's many more here right at your side. God Bless.
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MtMan, Thu May 14 2020, 08:35PM
Squatch, I agree.
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Lostinbigbear, Thu May 14 2020, 10:24PM
Yep, I agree too Squatch...🙋♀️
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Benny ⭐, Thu May 14 2020, 10:49PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Well guys/gals, it looks like our pointing out the government`s bad decisions and policies based on severely flawed data concerning the Covid has now officially been branded POLITICAL! Never mind the clear connections as they relate to Covid!
Kinda sad, CENSORSHIP....first Facebook, Youtube, Tritter, Google and now Socal Mountain Forums!
Political section viewable by "members only! Really!
I will continue to fight for ALL of OUR rights, maybe one day the "naysayers " will get it before it`s too late!
Cheers to All....
Well guys/gals, it looks like our pointing out the government`s bad decisions and policies based on severely flawed data concerning the Covid has now officially been branded POLITICAL! Never mind the clear connections as they relate to Covid!
Kinda sad, CENSORSHIP....first Facebook, Youtube, Tritter, Google and now Socal Mountain Forums!
Political section viewable by "members only! Really!
I will continue to fight for ALL of OUR rights, maybe one day the "naysayers " will get it before it`s too late!
Cheers to All....
Many of us do agree with you, however, "General Discussion" isn't the place to be trash-talking political entities. That is what the "Political Forum" was created for. This was meant to be more a General Discussion on Coronavirus, a place for information, compare notes, learn what's happening in our community, not so much on who caused it and who didn't do enough to stop it. Sure, things could have been done differently, we live & learn. We never said you can't say what you believe in, just ask you to put it in the right place if you're going to start cussing and make it political. If you would like to dig deeper and play political blame games, simply take it to the political forum, that's all we ask. There is no censorship there but be warned, there is no censorship there.
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Squatch, Fri May 15 2020, 08:14AM
Benny, I have a great deal of respect for you and Craig, your sites provide an invaluable service to the community.
In this case I have to respectably disagree with burying critical information/decisions concerning covid in a section closed to the general viewers and titled political. Reporting/sharing this info may seem like political ranting but it`s not, in fact it`s information/decisions people need to know about and how it will affect our lives and is clearly covid related. ie:" a place for information, compare notes and learn what`s happening in our community"...
If the politicians have a political agenda or not, that`s for everyone to decide for themselves...
Your sandbox...
Cheers
P.S. For the record, I don`t recall ever using cuss words!
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Benny ⭐, Fri May 15 2020, 09:09AM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Benny, I have a great deal of respect for you and Craig, your sites provide an invaluable service to the community.
In this case I have to respectably disagree with burying critical information/decisions concerning covid in a section closed to the general viewers and titled political. Reporting/sharing this info may seem like political ranting but it`s not, in fact it`s information/decisions people need to know about and how it will affect our lives and is clearly covid related. ie:" a place for information, compare notes and learn what`s happening in our community"...
If the politicians have a political agenda or not, that`s for everyone to decide for themselves...
Your sandbox...
Cheers
P.S. For the record, I don`t recall ever using cuss words!
Benny, I have a great deal of respect for you and Craig, your sites provide an invaluable service to the community.
In this case I have to respectably disagree with burying critical information/decisions concerning covid in a section closed to the general viewers and titled political. Reporting/sharing this info may seem like political ranting but it`s not, in fact it`s information/decisions people need to know about and how it will affect our lives and is clearly covid related. ie:" a place for information, compare notes and learn what`s happening in our community"...
If the politicians have a political agenda or not, that`s for everyone to decide for themselves...
Your sandbox...
Cheers
P.S. For the record, I don`t recall ever using cuss words!
I never said you did, I wasnt talking to you. But there were f-bombs and other "poop" if you will.
Unfortunately one bad apple ruins it for everyone. If you guys want to be vulgar and give political opinions you can do that in politics or in pm's.
All the rest is totally fine.
Thanks.
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rdoctor, Fri May 15 2020, 10:08AM
The excessive response to COVID-19 might go down as the biggest hoax of all time except for the world being flat.
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Craig ⭐, Fri May 15 2020, 12:15PM
I want to get into this discussion and I will make sure its not going to flame along political lines.
Mr. Rdoctor, when you say Hoax do you mean it doesn't exist or are you implying that it is simply the flu and doesn't need to be treated any differently? Or maybe one of several other thoughts. I am always curious as to others thoughts about this bug. On the SCM facebook page, it is far more wild west than it is here and I think I have heard every theory that exists to date.
Thanks Rdoctor!
rdoctor wrote ...
The excessive response to COVID-19 might go down as the biggest hoax of all time except for the world being flat.
The excessive response to COVID-19 might go down as the biggest hoax of all time except for the world being flat.
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BillyJean, Fri May 15 2020, 01:09PM
This gentleman thought it was a hoax, then he died from it...
Story from the NPR [Click Here]
"The family of John McDaniel, an Ohio man who died from COVID-19 after initially claiming the pandemic was overblown, is grieving this week. McDaniel's wife says they're also mourning the fact that her husband didn't get a chance to change the stance he took against the initial public response to the outbreak. It's now clear, she adds, that shutdown orders were necessary.
"We know if John was still here with us he would acknowledge the national crisis we are in, abide by the stay-at-home order, and encourage family and friends to do the same," Lisa McDaniel wrote in a Facebook post. "But sadly he is not with us and we will forever have to live and cope with how his life ended far too soon."
She added, "Further, we will never be able to erase from our hearts and minds the negative posts that have been made and shared about John this past week."
The backlash against John McDaniel's early remarks about COVID-19 on Facebook and Twitter forced his family to cancel plans to put a video stream of his funeral service online.
McDaniel died at age 60 last week, becoming the first person reported to have died from COVID-19 in Marion County."
And yes, the earth is flat, duh!
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mountainart, Fri May 15 2020, 03:49PM
The problem is that for an equal number of preventable yearly deaths from other causes is not reported, and every heartwrenching case that can be obliquely related to covid 19 is actively searched out and published/editorialized by the mainstream media. This causes associative distress and panic in the general population, as opposed to nobody getting worked up by vehicle deaths which are about the same number, or medical error deaths which are yearly 4 times as much.
People really need to evaluate the exposure to hysteria based media reporting.
Where is the panic and terror relating to heart disease, or diabetes, which kills orders of magnitude more people, year after year. Do we see making Golden Corrall illegal, or sugary foods forbidden, in order to stop a far far worse annual mortality rate? This is what I think some here are unconsciously relating to, when they see the enforced shutdown of the economy, which according to the CDC's own website estimated the deathrate from poverty and stress related issues to be 10 times what the virus is doing. Look at the countries that have not instituted lockdowns, like Sweden, which still has a similar death rate to covid as those countries enforcing lockdowns. But they will not have any of the lockdown related economic collapses and accompanying health problems.
This is not a political issue, but a human condition issue. We should continue to try to mitigate the spread and deaths as much as it does not end up causing more deaths from lockdown and panic issues
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Airport Razz, Fri May 15 2020, 04:53PM
Man, those tire tracks across my back are going to tough to get out in the laundry. Nothing like an entire town thrown under the bus. Vacation rentals back open. Renters to bring their own food and stuff and leave our stores alone. SURE THATS GONNA HAPPEN. Got news for you folks. Just made a trip through town. there is NO and I mean NO TP, PT, Lysol, Wipes, Hand sanitizer (in substantial quantities, not 2oz), bleach, and half the freezer case at Staters is bare. WTH, This town is not ready for this onslaught of humanity, even if the owners, renters abide by the new protocols. Here is the new 'BEST PRACTICES' FOR THE BIG BEAR VALLEY. Vacation rental pages 8-11
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Deb Doodah, Fri May 15 2020, 06:17PM
Hey Razz it is similar dth as well. We can get TP and meat but you have to time it just right. Sams Club has gone back to limiting purchases of meat products and I have not seen Lysol or Clorox wipes in months.
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Craig ⭐, Fri May 15 2020, 09:03PM
I finally found some "good" TP on Amazon
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Hooky Bobber, Sat May 16 2020, 06:48AM
Any opinion or thought on why Crestline cases continue to grow in numbers, that area is at 11 now, seems to be on the climb
County
over 30 days
of Confirmed cases in county
4/15 -996
5/15 -3311
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Tlingit, Sat May 16 2020, 07:27AM
We're seeing a spike everywhere. We went from 4 positive, and 3 PUI, to 7 positive and 9 PUI within 3 days. I believe it's because people are tired of staying home. Got invited to a dinner party last night, 4 couples total but no masks. (Can't eat with a mask). Wife and I stayed home.
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wisteria1, Sat May 16 2020, 10:37AM
Crestline was at 5 for some time then, as MCH started doing testing, the number rose to 10 and finally an 11th appeared. Meanwhile, 145 Crestliners have been tested (out of 10,000 residents). 11 out of 145 is still below the average of 10% testing positive - and 145 out of 10,000 still represents a significantly insignificant sample.
There's something odd about that SB County Dashboard. Lake Arrowhead still isn't listed as having anyone even tested, much less positive. I think the unincorporated areas are confusing them.
We're trying to draw conclusions (and make life-altering decisions) based on insubstantial data which apparently has a fairly hefty margin of error (because that's all we've got to go on).
Strange days.
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Nature, Sat May 16 2020, 12:59PM
Costco had a ton of toilet paper.
Charmin double rolls in 16 packs and Kirkland brand big packs.
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Nature, Sat May 16 2020, 01:11PM
My doctor already confirmed to me the Big Bear Covid numbers aren’t real.
One covid test was being done during my visit so I asked about the accuracy of our reported numbers in Big Bear.
There are considerable more but the doctor wouldn’t give me a number.
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Airport Razz, Sat May 16 2020, 01:38PM
Thank you for that information. On one hand good to know if can get down the hill for supplies, on the other hand, just how does that help us up here where the shelves are empty and we have more and more people coming up to visit and will need to purchase stuff because 50% wont being stuff with them?????
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Socalman, Sat May 16 2020, 02:09PM
As more and more tests are administered, it only stands to reason that more cases will be discovered..to a point. There may be a great many people who are asymptomatic or have such slight symptoms they do not think they have the virus. As requirements for testing have opened up more people are being tested. Odd, at the very end of January into early Feb. I had some 'flu=like' symptoms. I keep wondering if I had a mild case of C-19?
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Nature, Sat May 16 2020, 03:04PM
As I understand it the tests are still for serious symptoms only. I don’t trust the tests at this time as too often they are proven to give false negatives. Everything is still in the beginning stages. I’ll wait for confirmation of more accurate tests regardless of how long it takes to get them back. June into July will tell all about the process of reopening the country without accurate testing, even if that means testing twice. The sick should stay home until completely well.
Who are they?
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Airport Razz, Sat May 16 2020, 03:17PM
And there is that giant frikkin elephant back in the room again. We just don't know whom the sick are and by the time it is found out they have already further spread the virus to another 100+ potential victims. Anyone else see the fallacy in what is being done putting an end to anything quickly?
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Sat May 16 2020, 03:19PM
Well, other than letting the flood gate open and letting everyone just do whatever. Go ahead and kill of whomever gets the nasty version, not your family so no problem. Yeah, No Problem. God can sort them out later
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BillyJean, Sat May 16 2020, 05:34PM
Airport Razz wrote ...
Well, other than letting the flood gate open and letting everyone just do whatever. Go ahead and kill of whomever gets the nasty version, not your family so no problem. Yeah, No Problem. God can sort them out later
Well, other than letting the flood gate open and letting everyone just do whatever. Go ahead and kill of whomever gets the nasty version, not your family so no problem. Yeah, No Problem. God can sort them out later
Shame on you, that's a horrible thing to say.
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Squatch, Sat May 16 2020, 06:14PM
Razz, buddy...you off your meds again? lol
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Hooky Bobber, Sat May 16 2020, 07:48PM
A seriously deadly virus is moving through the world 4,634,000 are infected 311,739 are dead.
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Airport Razz, Sat May 16 2020, 08:05PM
Meds would probably help. Been in a county discussion group about opening the rentals before town is ready and basically feel like the little Dutch boy but instead of stopping the leak I've just watched the entire dike blow apart.
Some really big elephants in some very small rooms these days
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Nature, Sat May 16 2020, 11:38PM
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Sun May 17 2020, 06:41AM
Crestline has added another confirmed case now at 12
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Sanitary Mask manufacturing plant video
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Nature, Sun May 17 2020, 12:33PM
That manufacturing link is scary.
Look what we get when we choose a cheap bid.
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Squatch, Sun May 17 2020, 04:09PM
Nature wrote ...
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
By all means, PLEASE STAY HOME and spare us your constant finger wagging!
Re: virus pandemonia
SCM ALERT🚨, Sun May 17 2020, 04:25PM
Now you see why we don't put it in chat...
Torrance (Jill)
May 17 : 04:17pm
I agree, I always have my mask on outside. So easy to do. Then you see fools protesting, when people are still dying in their towns. At my work, 4500 employees, we are ordering masks, thermometer strips and infrared forehead thermometers. That is how life will be when people start to return to work. Your temperature will be taking four times a day. If you have a fever, you will be sent home for 14 days. I mean I can see of reopening of some business, as long as people are taking it serious, wearing masks, keeping 6ft distance and sanitizing a lot.
Nature
May 17 : 03:55pm
Since this statement is more people attitudes than the virus itself putting it in the virus thread was purely questionable.
Nature
May 17 : 03:53pm
Those who observe the serious requests appreciate others who observe them. It can only take one person to infect 100 or more in just one day. Some either don’t care or are belligerent, feeling sensible requests are unfair demands.
Re: virus pandemonia
BillyJean, Sun May 17 2020, 04:27PM
Now Dr. Fauci and experts are back to saying masks are no good and not to wear them.
[Click Here]
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KK, Sun May 17 2020, 04:55PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
By all means, PLEASE STAY HOME and spare us your constant finger wagging!
Nature wrote ...
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
By all means, PLEASE STAY HOME and spare us your constant finger wagging!
The only fingers I see wagging are yours at your keyboard.
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Sun May 17 2020, 05:04PM
KKWaved at Mike this afternoon, saw you parked down the street playing on your property. I didn't actually see you or I would have stopped to say hello!
Hope you guys are doing well...
KK wrote ...
The only fingers I see wagging are yours at your keyboard.
SQUATCH wrote ...
By all means, PLEASE STAY HOME and spare us your constant finger wagging!
Nature wrote ...
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
By all means, PLEASE STAY HOME and spare us your constant finger wagging!
The only fingers I see wagging are yours at your keyboard.
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KK, Sun May 17 2020, 05:30PM
Hi Benny! Please feel free to remove my rant. 🤪😘
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Nature, Sun May 17 2020, 11:12PM
SCM it all works for me. Replying to someone in chat made that one a little more complicated. Thank you.
Jill, Taking temperatures works great for actively symptomatic cases. Unfortunately we are being told the virus can be spread prior to symptoms becoming obvious and the widest spread likely comes from people with no symptoms who believe they are fine. Unfortunately, the public statement, “If we test everyone, it will make us look bad” makes other officials stay in line.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon May 18 2020, 05:51AM
Billyjean wrote ...
Now Dr. Fauci and experts are back to saying masks are no good and not to wear them.
[Click Here]
Now Dr. Fauci and experts are back to saying masks are no good and not to wear them.
[Click Here]
This line in the second paragraph in this link says a bit about the BS
Dr. Fauci, bonafide sex god and ruler of us all, who also said face masks are largely security theater and of no use to the healthy.
Come on
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Mon May 18 2020, 05:59AM
Worthless Thread
Re: virus pandemonia
Christopher, Mon May 18 2020, 07:58AM
SQUATCH wrote ...
By all means, PLEASE STAY HOME and spare us your constant finger wagging!
Nature wrote ...
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
I’ve said my piece to the City manager and commented to the county. All I get back are lengthy explanations of what they are doing. Nothing is ever said in return about the virus or testing. Suggesting to people to bring up their own items is spitting in the wind. The only thing I can do out of sheer necessity isn’t go off the mountain to get supplies. Still can’t find bleach or alcohol. Now the hoarders are taking all the meat. Limiting what they can buy only makes them come back again for more. Now the vegetarian substitutes are getting scarce. They are all I have been buying for years. It’s pathetic. We need testing and not just for those who are severely sick. Until this pandemic blows up in our faces again, that method of ending this is being ignored. If everyone with the virus stayed quarantined, until over it completely, we could get back to normal so much faster. Test everyone for the virus and antibodies. If negative, test them twice.
It’s the only way to get us back to a normal life. I’m watching people being “stupid” like everything is fine and the virus is gone. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to spend two months in a hospital because others don’t believe it can happen to them as well.
By all means, PLEASE STAY HOME and spare us your constant finger wagging!
What about me? I can't stay home. My company is considered part of the "critical infrastructure" and by law we're required to be on the job every day. Not only that, but we're exposed to the stuff the people who "never leave their homes or rentals during the weekend" bring up with them because they throw it in the trash in Big Bear Lake before they go home on Sunday. So when you say (with derision), "Stay Home!", what about me? What about US? When the trashmen get infected, trash collection will stop because we will have to isolate (provided, God forbid, that none of us get sick) at home. What about us? Who will people complain to when their trash isn't picked up for an entire month?
Asking for a friend.
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Squatch, Mon May 18 2020, 08:48AM
Hi Christopher, our business is also considered essential (medical equipment related) and like you and or your friend we have to take the best precautions we can.
And you`re right, we`d been up a creek with out critical services, we all give a huge shout out to you and ALL of the true hero`s out there.
My comments we directed at those who feel it`s their duty to endlessly chastise those who don`t agree with their point of view! Since my previous statements/posts we branded POLITICAL, I stopped pointing out that our constitutional rights are being taken away under the guise of Corona protocol. Many of us feel that there is a middle ground in which we can get things going again without sending 3/4 + of the country into poverty.
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Airport Razz, Mon May 18 2020, 09:31AM
Been my complaint from the beginning. First is was the 2nd home owners breaking Shelter in Place to force the issue that they had the right to use their properties (regardless they didn't have the right to get there) and there was no infrastructure available. We had nothing up here and saying, come on up people, how does that even make sense. Had we had infrastructure (TP/PT/Food etc) I wouldn't had a real problem. I have enough intelligence to work around most of the stupid. And now with rentals opening up, we are supposed to start accommodating again, and with our infrastructure still broken. So I am now supposed to be protecting ourselves, our employees and our clients.........WITH WHAT FRIKKIN CLEANING/SANITIZING/PPE SUPPLIES??????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????
THIS IS WHY I AM SO PISSED OFF. MY MAGIC WAND IS BROKEN. I am at the point wear a mask, don't wear a mask, just would like to have some to wear, and my box of gloves is getting really empty. I guess I can just dip myself in bleach solution, but only have about 2 weeks worth of that. Lysol, what a bloody joke that is now. Like selling more cars but all the gas stations are closed. Dum de Dum de dum dum dum. Re: virus pandemonia
Nature, Mon May 18 2020, 11:03AM
Razz is right. How does someone do everything required to rent a cabin with no supplies? They don’t. You wouldn’t believe how many follow their own rules or maybe you would. Anyone doing their best to stay safe from being infected or infecting others is everything those staying home or doing the same are asking. If businesses are opening take measures to be safe with patrons and insist they do the same or don’t allow them in the establishment.
The pictures and bragging by people who call this pandemic a hoax, make light of it, criticize those who are doing all they can to prevent the spread. No masks, crowding together, are laughing the face of fate. Essential workers? God bless and protect you all. My husband is one. Another family member works security in a hospital and one is a paramedic. Can they always social distance? I don’t think so but they use PPEs. I am also an essential worker but choose to work from the safety of home unless it requires otherwise. Gratefully it hasn’t yet but I know it’s coming. I’ve been exposed 100%. Going to a doctor’ office for sure and, more than likely, to any store. I’m careful and that’s all any of us are asking. It’s simple. Don’t make fun of a pandemic. It’s no fun.
Re: virus pandemonia
HATE330 ©, Thu May 21 2020, 12:58PM
FYI in South Lake Tahoe. No tourists allowed. $1000.00 fine.
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Airport Razz, Thu May 21 2020, 01:08PM
cage - I thought they lifted that a couple of weeks ago and were backing off on it? I remember when they put it place. I was hoping city would take a hint as the 2nd home owners were getting completely out of hand.
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MrOwl, Thu May 21 2020, 01:17PM
Quit being jealous of 2nd house owners, get back at 'em. Buy a house down the hill and go down when they come up.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu May 21 2020, 01:47PM
As a second homeowner, I had the luxury of raking, packing, and hauling 17 large trash cans worth of cones and needles last week. I didn't tell Razz I was coming. I'll sneak back up again and do the back yard after the holiday. P.S., I don't rent.
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Tlingit, Thu May 21 2020, 02:08PM
MrOwl wrote ...
Quit being jealous of 2nd house owners, get back at 'em. Buy a house down the hill and go down when they come up.
Quit being jealous of 2nd house owners, get back at 'em. Buy a house down the hill and go down when they come up.
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Airport Razz, Thu May 21 2020, 03:31PM
PO, how you getting rid of all those bags this year?? I still have 8 left from 3 weeks ago from the front yard. Big Brown Trash Can just isn't cutting it so far.
And you are not the '2nd homeowner' type referred to here, by far. I love my neighbors and most of my caretaking clients. I am talking about the ones of privilege that wouldn't know what a trash bag is really used for unless it is something the maid or gardener asks for sometimes. The ones that just had to come up because they weren't allowed on the beach and they just couldn't take that ocean view from the living room one more day and had to have that change of scenery. And for the most part that wasn't a big deal, until the complaining started of that they couldn't find anything up here. And oh my heater broke, oh my car wont start, Oh I had an accident and needed towing, why can't the cleaning lady come out................ And the one that had the audacity after my having to show up at their place after midnight because the neighbor kid had a fight with Daddy and hid under their deck tripping the neighbors security cameras, that I was a 2nd class citizen (blue collar I am assuming) and who was I to point out that they were breaking state mandated regulations, those rules weren't for them and didn't apply as the city manager said it was OK for us to use our property. I mentioned the 2nd line of that statement which was unless it required travel that broke the shelter at home mandate. I was fired. And then they called my field supervisor to see if he would come over that weekend and cut the weeds. That was a WOW moment.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu May 21 2020, 03:56PM
OK, I'm in BBL and less than a mile from the clean bear site and have a full size pickup truck. I really didn't know what I got in my property tax bill, but it seems I got lucky. The truck will hold 12 bags per trip. I really appreciate the turmoil that the other people under the new one can restrictions are under. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a challenge filed.
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Airport Razz, Thu May 21 2020, 04:37PM
We have been told that 'more' is coming and to just be patient. Like I believe that line. I still see telephone poles from the last big local government/utility lie
. We used to use the clean bear site for when we just had a few bags there on that side of the valley, but with the new 'no contractor' rule we don't want to piss Terry off. I still say that we are just an extension of the owner and we should be allowed to put their trash at Clean Bear just like they could IF they had the vehicle and manpower. Oh well, whatcha gonna do. Not like we show up Monday morning with 27 bags of rental cabin trash.Re: virus pandemonia
Nature, Thu May 21 2020, 08:39PM
Those of us who know better and can choose what they want to do instead of being forced to go to work out of fear of losing their job, can find lots to do at home. Getting off the mountain for a HD well deserved ride sounds wonderful. I don’t even have to think about what is happening in town.
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Nature, Fri May 22 2020, 10:14AM
Just really curious... how much does it cost to spend a day or two in an ICU? Last time I had to pay the hospital bill for a two day stay, broken ribs, flailed chest and collar bone. Nothing they could do about that but watch. Cost me $17,000 but that wasn’t ICU. I understand some patients are in ICU for 60 days. 70% are not old. Sure good the economy is opening so those bills get paid so long as it isn’t those who think they are immune or their family members or their close friends. I understand cremation is relatively cheap. It’s just those darned hospital bills. I know .... just ignore those too. 😊
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Cornbread, Fri May 22 2020, 07:46PM
All school graduations have been canceled because of the virus. The government doesn't want large groups of people in the same area. This sucks for the seniors. They have worked their butts off to cross the stage. So here is a solution. Have the grad's go to Walmart, Home Depot or Lowes in the cap & gown and they can have their name called on the PA.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat May 23 2020, 11:19PM
Moved from chatbox
MtMan
May 23 : 10:13pm
Blame the city for the bare shelves, they are the ones that opened up the floodgates without thinking about the chain of supply. Thanks morons.
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BillyJean, Sat May 23 2020, 11:34PM
Respectfully of course MtMan, you can't have it both ways. On one hand you're arguing about our freedom and rights to get back to normal, then once we do you complain about that. So how I understand you know is, instead of the freedom to go surfing or going to the mountains on a nice holiday weekend, we should in fact be locked back down and living in fear? Which is it?
And by the way, the County of San Bernardino received approval from the Governor to re-open restaurants and retails shops anyway, so what the City did really made no difference in the end.
MtMan
Tue May 12 2020, 11:11PM
And there is how to control society......fear. I'm done with living in fear, fear for you and fear for me. Call me what you want, don't care. Our constitutional rights are being trampled. How? Fear. When one gets arrested for simply surfing on an ocean alone or protesting, then freedom is eroded. I want to live in freedom, you know, the freedom guaranteed by God and our constitution. Those of you that want to live in fear? Your choice. I have the right to make mine, I choose freedom.
Moved from chatbox
MtMan wrote ...
May 23 : 10:13pm
Blame the city for the bare shelves, they are the ones that opened up the floodgates without thinking about the chain of supply. Thanks morons.
May 23 : 10:13pm
Blame the city for the bare shelves, they are the ones that opened up the floodgates without thinking about the chain of supply. Thanks morons.
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MtMan, Sun May 24 2020, 07:19AM
This was moved from the chatbox. I was responding to a post on someone talking about how they couldn't find things in our stores, hence my comment. Also, the county lifted more restrictions after my post was made, at least, I did not hear about it until after. I guess you may think having bare shelves for residents is normal and ok? I don't think it is good that the stores simply can't be keep up with the extra pressure be at this time. Would you not agree?
Hope this clarifies things for you. Pretty simple.
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mountainart, Sun May 24 2020, 08:30AM
In my memory, our 2 grocery stores here have always been temporarily wiped out every 3 day weekend. .. we just plan ahead and get necessities a couple days in advance. We learned to always keep a stock of essentials in our larder from when we lived up in Northern Montana, where winter storms regularly wiped out supply chains for weeks at a time. Just part of living in a fluid world......only in the very latest modern times have humans given up taking care for themselves, I believe from the advent and proliferation of the supermarkets from around the 50's. Especially more so in urban areas.
We have always been preppers, relying on planning that includes asking questions like "how do we survive if the "Big One"(San Andreas)hits in the middle of winter takes out our gas lines and roads, and electrical lines coming up the hill, and what about ground shift/faulting in the vally that severs the CSD water lines and they cannot get the material/labor necessary to restore water service....with no way to restock grocery stores, because of the guaranteed wipeouts from rockslides taking out our 3 main routes into Big Bear. Are you going to plan on depending on the goodness of the Natl Guard to airlift emergency food to us?
Lots of questions that ABSOLUTELY MUST be addressed by each individual, to keep their families safe and secure. Which is what 150 years ago in america literally every family through the great expansion already knew how to do. We have become way too soft, relying on others to take care of us, and now are perpetually coddled by govt giving us free S#!+ every time something totally predictable happens. This only works until something truly huge happens, then it is every person for themself. Are you prepared for another CME event like the Carrimgton event? Study of the Sun suggests this happens regularly, and since the last century we had that direct hit, it is a matter of throwing the dice until we get hit again, and grid is permanently destroyed. Our wise govt over the last few decades has decided in its wisdom to offshore all transformer production to China, under the pressure of liberal based environmental rules that made it too prohibitive for US based industry to comply with PCB handling. If they have to rebuild their infrastructure at the same time, guess who is going to be without electricity for a few years...... might be a golden gift to them, where all they have to do is declare their own production a national vital asset, and conveniently let america go back to medieval living, on purpose.
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SSJ2012, Mon Jun 01 2020, 08:48PM
[Click Here]
Interesting article that a lot of health experts and politicians are going hate. But like people say, numbers don’t lie
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 05 2020, 03:54PM
Nice unbiased programing
McToddy
Jun 05 : 12:38pm wrote ...
Hi All -- I just came across this documentry on PBS (Nova: Decoding COVID-19) that I highly recommend for you to watch. [Click Here]
Thought it would be worthy to copy from chatbox.Jun 05 : 12:38pm wrote ...
Hi All -- I just came across this documentry on PBS (Nova: Decoding COVID-19) that I highly recommend for you to watch. [Click Here]
Here's a YouTube of it so you can cast it to the big tv [Click Here]
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BillyJean, Fri Jun 05 2020, 04:17PM
Worthy of noting, everyone, or I should say many, many people said Memorial Weekend would destroy us with Covid numbers exploding.
As expected by most, here we are two weeks later and still not a single new reported case over the past month. Sure, there could be a couple cases unknown, but it certainly didn't explode as all the doomsdayers predicted.
In recent weeks, it's important to point out that there has been only 1 new confirmed case in the Big Bear Valley in the past month+, and 0 new cases in the past 25 days. With an increase in visitors to Big Bear over the past 3 weekends and the potential for new community spread, the City is closely monitoring the emergence of new COVID-19 cases in our community, and will continue to do so.
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NShore.Allen, Fri Jun 05 2020, 05:42PM
The real experiment has begun. There was not much social distancing, hand sanitizer or PPE seen during the protests. Thousands participated nationwide.
Come June 14, we will know.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 05 2020, 06:07PM
Possible we (most) have already had it. Benny and many of my friends were down early on, for few weeks back in Jan/Feb. No evidence or sources.
Now I must lookup where that antibody testing was located. Lake Arrowhead maybe was closest, per the memory banks. Appointment only by phone con.
Edit: I hate flipping the thread page. Good key points from others just before...
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Benny ⭐, Fri Jun 05 2020, 08:02PM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
Possible we (most) have already had it. Benny and many of my friends were down early on, for few weeks back in Jan/Feb. No evidence or sources.
Now I must lookup where that antibody testing was located. Lake Arrowhead maybe was closest, per the memory banks. Appointment only by phone con.
Edit: I hate flipping the thread page. Good key points from others just before...
Possible we (most) have already had it. Benny and many of my friends were down early on, for few weeks back in Jan/Feb. No evidence or sources.
Now I must lookup where that antibody testing was located. Lake Arrowhead maybe was closest, per the memory banks. Appointment only by phone con.
Edit: I hate flipping the thread page. Good key points from others just before...
You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable. I know people who have had it come back negative and those who didn't think they did result positive. So we may never really know the true scope of this. But we are now at the 14-day marker since Memorial Weekend, so if there's no new cases, unlikely to be any. Would have fallen ill by now.
Update:
Big Bear Lake is now reporting 1 new case, the first one in nearly a month. The remaining 9 of 10 cases have all since recovered and returned to their normal daily life.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 05 2020, 09:37PM
june 5
Big Bear City 2 2 3
Big Bear Lake 5 6 7
5,930
▲ 2.4% from previous day (5,793)
Doubling Time
16.6 Days
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Nature, Sat Jun 06 2020, 09:09AM
Over and over I’ve asked the City to bring up antibody testing. I have to admit the reasons they haven’t are understandable because testing can be inaccurate but the reason that they don’t know where to look for the best testing is lame.
Set up a task force to investigate the most accurate testing results and act. Locals need to know if they can relax or stay the course.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 07 2020, 02:17PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable.
You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable.
WoW Quest here in town.
I had Lake Arrowhead incorrect as an antibody test place. It was in a linked SBSun article that didn't include Quest. [Click Here]
"Nasal swab and antibody testing is available from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. daily, by appointment only, at these urgent cares:
Colton Urgent Care Center, 1181 N. Mt. Vernon Ave., Colton. Information: 909-639-8800 or [Click Here].
Redlands Urgent Care Center, 301 W. Redlands Blvd., Redlands. Information: 909-335-1900 or [Click Here].
Yucaipa Urgent Care Center, 33494 Oak Glen Road, Yucaipa. Information: 909-797-8900 or [Click Here]
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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 07 2020, 04:47PM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
WoW Quest here in town.
I had Lake Arrowhead incorrect as an antibody test place. It was in a linked SBSun article that didn't include Quest. [Click Here]
"Nasal swab and antibody testing is available from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. daily, by appointment only, at these urgent cares:
Colton Urgent Care Center, 1181 N. Mt. Vernon Ave., Colton. Information: 909-639-8800 or [Click Here].
Redlands Urgent Care Center, 301 W. Redlands Blvd., Redlands. Information: 909-335-1900 or [Click Here].
Yucaipa Urgent Care Center, 33494 Oak Glen Road, Yucaipa. Information: 909-797-8900 or [Click Here]
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable.
You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable.
WoW Quest here in town.
I had Lake Arrowhead incorrect as an antibody test place. It was in a linked SBSun article that didn't include Quest. [Click Here]
"Nasal swab and antibody testing is available from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. daily, by appointment only, at these urgent cares:
Colton Urgent Care Center, 1181 N. Mt. Vernon Ave., Colton. Information: 909-639-8800 or [Click Here].
Redlands Urgent Care Center, 301 W. Redlands Blvd., Redlands. Information: 909-335-1900 or [Click Here].
Yucaipa Urgent Care Center, 33494 Oak Glen Road, Yucaipa. Information: 909-797-8900 or [Click Here]
Yeah I don't think the Quest office up here is processing Antibody testing. Need to go down the mtn, but I could be wrong, they weren't a month ago. But all tests are 50/50 at best.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jun 08 2020, 03:29PM
Lockdowns across the globe prevented millions of deaths from the novel coronavirus, new studies published Monday report.
According to a study by the Imperial College of London, some 3 million deaths were averted in eleven countries - Austria, Belgium, Britain, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Norway, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland – because of lockdown measures including the closings of non-essential businesses and schools.
A separate study conducted in the United States and published alongside the British study Monday found that some 530 million cases of COVID-19 were prevented or delayed by lockdown policies implemented in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France and the United States.
The number of COVID-19 deaths worldwide neared 403,000 and the confirmed cases stands at more than seven million, according to data collected by the Johns Hopkins University’s Coronavirus Research Center.
The World Health Organization (WHO) warned Monday that while the situation was improving in Europe, it is worsening in other parts of the world.
“More than 100,000 cases have been reported on 9 of the past 10 days. Yesterday, more than 136,000 cases were reported, the most in a single day so far,” Dr. Tedros Adhanom, WHO director general, said Monday.
“Almost 75% of yesterday’s cases come from 10 countries, mostly in the Americas and South Asia,” he added, noting increases in Africa, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia as well.
The United States remains the country with the highest number of deaths, followed by Britain, Brazil and Italy.
U.S. has also the highest number of confirmed cases, moving closer to two million, followed by Brazil with about a third of that number, and Russia and Britain.
The good news, however, came from New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who announced Monday that the country had eliminated transmission of the new coronavirus. The New Zealand has decided to lift most of its remaining Covid-19 restrictions but will keep its borders closed.
Meanwhile, authorities across the United States are urging people who took part in protests of the death of George Floyd to get COVID-19 tests after more than a week of marches and close contact with each other.
“Get a test,” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said, adding that the state is opening 15 new testing sites and telling people not to take any chances.
Similar calls for testing have come from state and city leaders in Atlanta, San Francisco, and Seattle.
As many as 400,000 people are expected to return to their jobs in New York Monday as the country’s largest city begins its first phase of reopening. Many will be using the subway for the first time in nearly three months.
Construction workers and those with jobs in factories, wholesale houses, and some retailers will be returning to work. Stores are offering curbside pickup only.
But the city’s thousands of restaurants will remain closed at least through the rest of the month.
While New York City officials appeared confident enough to start to reopen, the Florida Department of Health announced another 1,180 new coronavirus cases Sunday, saying it was the fifth straight day the number of new cases exceeds 1,000.
Experts in Florida say people are becoming careless about social distancing since statewide lockdowns have eased. They also note that the numbers started rising when the George Floyd protests began.
Florida Republican Senator Rick Scott accused China on Sunday of trying to sabotage U.S. efforts to develop a coronavirus vaccine.
In Europe, which suffered great losses earlier in the pandemic, countries are slowly reopening. Some countries in the European Union have opened borders to other European visitors. The European Union has said it hopes to open all borders to travelers by early July, the start of the summer travel season.
WHO director-general encourages COVID-19-safe protesting
World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Monday he supports the global movement against racism, but encourages protesters to do it “safely."
At his Monday news briefing, Tedros urged protesters to keep at least one meter apart from one another, wash their hands, cover their mouths when coughing and wear a mask while demonstrating. He also said protesters who are sick should stay at home.
During Monday's news conference, he also encouraged countries to strengthen public health measures and to find, isolate and test for every coronavirus case.
Also at the briefing, WHO emergency programs technical lead Maria Van Kerkhove told reporters that their ongoing research found it is rare for asymptomatic COVID-19 carriers to actually pass along the disease. She said the key to controlling the spread of the virus is to follow the symptomatic cases.
Kerkhove said they know COVID-19 is a respiratory pathogen that passes from an individual through infectious droplets. Symptomatic people are the ones producing those droplets, she said, and if all of them were followed closely and isolated, COVID-19 numbers would be drastically reduced.
"It seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Kerkhove said. “What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases. If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, follow the contacts and quarantine those contacts, we would drastically reduce" the spread. (Source: VOA News)
Story Date: June 8, 2020
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Jun 08 2020, 08:21PM
If anybody "quotes" the above I'm going to snicker.
If the flu numbers being compared to, ever had stay at home, hand washing & mask measures, there would be nothing to compare. haha
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Benny ⭐, Mon Jun 08 2020, 10:22PM
Skyline Drive wrote ...
2020
2020
What a year! Am I right?
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jun 09 2020, 07:24AM
And then
(CNN) — The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization’s technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Van Kerkhove said on Monday.
“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They’re following asymptomatic cases, they’re following contacts and they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare — and much of that is not published in the literature,” she said. “We are constantly looking at this data and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.”
Van Kerkhove went on to describe how the novel coronavirus, a respiratory pathogen, spreads through droplets, which can be released when someone coughs or sneezes.
“It passes from an individual through infectious droplets. If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those cases, we would drastically reduce — I would love to be able to give a proportion of how much transmission we would actually stop — but it would be a drastic reduction in transmission,” she said.
Van Kerkhove also said that what appear to be asymptomatic cases of Covid-19 often turn out to be cases of mild disease.
“When we actually go back and we say how many of them were truly asymptomatic, we find out that many have really mild disease,” Van Kerkhove said.
“They’re not quote-unquote Covid symptoms, meaning they may not have developed fever yet, they may not have had a significant cough, or they may not have shortness of breath — but some may have mild disease,” she said. “Having said that, we do know that there can be people who are truly asymptomatic.”
Many people with Covid-19 who may appear to be asymptomatic actually could just have mild or atypical symptoms — or they could be pre-symptomatic, Dr. Manisha Juthani, an infectious diseases specialist and associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at Yale School of Medicine, said in an email to CNN on Monday.
Pre-symptomatic refers to the early stages of an illness, before symptoms have developed, whereas asymptomatic may refer to having no symptoms throughout the course of an infection — a distinction that Van Kerkhove hinted at during Monday’s media briefing.
Juthani, who did not participate in the media briefing and has not reviewed the unpublished data Van Kerkhove cited, said those findings are not necessarily inconsistent with other estimates regarding how pre-symptomatic spread of the coronavirus can occur.
A study in April found that viral shedding — when people may be able to infect others — could begin two to three days before symptoms appeared. In addition, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates in planning scenarios that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.
“These patients weren’t asymptomatic,” Juthani said. Rather, they were “spreading disease before becoming symptomatic.”
Overall, “these findings suggest that if we quarantine and contact trace symptomatic people, we can make a significant dent in the pandemic,” Juthani said.
Making this distinction between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic infections remains important — but also between “paucisymptomatic infections,” which refers to having atypical or very mild symptoms, Babak Javid, a principal investigator at Tsinghua University School of Medicine in Beijing and consultant in infectious disease at Cambridge University Hospitals, said in a written statement distributed by the UK-based Science Media Centre on Monday.
“Detailed contact tracing from Taiwan as well as the first European transmission chain in Germany suggested that true asymptomatics rarely transmit. However, those (and many other) studies have found that paucisymptomatic transmission can occur, and in particular, in the German study, they found that transmission often appeared to occur before or on the day symptoms first appeared,” Javid said in the statement.
“Other data available, from studies in several continents confirming that presymptomatic transmission does occur, would suggest that being well does not necessarily mean one cannot transmit SARS-CoV-2,” Javid said in part. “This has important implications for the track/trace/isolate measures being instituted in many countries.”
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MrOwl, Tue Jun 09 2020, 08:19AM
Stay tuned
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Polar 🌌rbit, Tue Jun 09 2020, 04:44PM
If the message contains "WHO" or "CNN", I just ignore it.
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Benny ⭐, Tue Jun 09 2020, 04:49PM
Polar 🌌rbit wrote ...
If the message contains "WHO" or "CNN", I just ignore it.
If the message contains "WHO" or "CNN", I just ignore it.
What if it was MrOwl saying who.... who!
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MrOwl, Tue Jun 09 2020, 04:57PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
What if it was MrOwl saying who.... who!
Polar 🌌rbit wrote ...
If the message contains "WHO" or "CNN", I just ignore it.
If the message contains "WHO" or "CNN", I just ignore it.
What if it was MrOwl saying who.... who!
Haha, then you better listen!
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Benny ⭐, Tue Jun 09 2020, 06:42PM
MrOwl wrote ...
Haha, then you better listen!
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
What if it was MrOwl saying who.... who!
Polar 🌌rbit wrote ...
If the message contains "WHO" or "CNN", I just ignore it.
If the message contains "WHO" or "CNN", I just ignore it.
What if it was MrOwl saying who.... who!
Haha, then you better listen!
Damn skippy!
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NShore.Allen, Wed Jun 10 2020, 04:58PM
This development could set things back a bit
[Click Here]
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 10 2020, 06:28PM
6/10/20 176 new cases, 5th highest single day count for our county.
[Click Here]
HURRY R-2, SHUT THEM ALL DOWN !!!
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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed Jun 10 2020, 07:17PM
San Bernardino County stretches from the LA basin to the Mountains to the Colorado river. Biggest one in California. To quote numbers without area definition is stoking the fire. The authorities don't want to quantify by area because they lose control over people.
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mountainart, Wed Jun 10 2020, 07:24PM
95 percent of san bernardino county(which is bigger than many east coast states) is nothing but empty open land with a few tiny towns/hamlets here and there. Silly to shut down outdopr camping and rockhounding areas by blocking roads
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 10 2020, 07:26PM
Stating facts from the county dashboard.
Another fact, most of the county is rocks and rattlesnakes.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed Jun 10 2020, 07:29PM
I definitely have my share of rocks, but no rattlesnakes.
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Squatch, Wed Jun 10 2020, 08:31PM
I read the info N. Shore Allan posted, they start out talking about the past holiday gatherings being to blame for the up-tick, however, IF YOU READ ON, the up-tick seems more connected to the men`s and woman`s correction facilities as well as the very high concentration/number of nursing homes, specifically in Yucaipa, Colton, San Berdo and Redlands.
The left/media will of course leave out "the details" and push more delays on opening everything up or even reversing and closing places down..
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Socalman, Thu Jun 11 2020, 08:25AM
Polar 🌌rbit wrote ...
San Bernardino County stretches from the LA basin to the Mountains to the Colorado river. Biggest one in California. To quote numbers without area definition is stoking the fire. The authorities don't want to quantify by area because they lose control over people.
San Bernardino County stretches from the LA basin to the Mountains to the Colorado river. Biggest one in California. To quote numbers without area definition is stoking the fire. The authorities don't want to quantify by area because they lose control over people.
Excellent point. Another issue is the increase in testing.
Example:
If you test 100 people and find one positive, you have ONE case and a 1% infection rate.
Now test 1,000 people and find 4 (four) positive cases. You have a 400% increase in numbers of infections but your infection rate has dropped to .004%.
How numbers are reported is so important in this pandemic.
I close by posing a question. Do you personally know someone who has been tested positive for covid-19?
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jun 11 2020, 08:29AM
I personally know zero people who have tested positive for COVID. They did attempt to put it on my Grandfather's death certificate, but we fought it and it was changed. He died of something completely different and tested negative for COVID 3 separate times...
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Socalman, Thu Jun 11 2020, 08:31AM
I will add some interesting reporting information from my dth home city of Duarte. About two weeks ago the official number of reported covid-19 hit 100. What was NOT mentioned but found by digging is that 82 of those 100 were in two long term care facilities, one across the street from the other. Also left out of the report is the fact that one of the facilities had been designated by Los Angeles County as a facility to receive c-19 patients and several had been transferred in! That last bit of information comes from a close friend whose mother has been in one of those two facilities for quite some time. She continues test negative.
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Airport Razz, Thu Jun 11 2020, 11:13AM
Mayor Herrick
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cricket, Thu Jun 11 2020, 11:16AM
My best friend's brother died of COVID-19.
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Dizzygal, Thu Jun 11 2020, 11:48AM
I remember in High School (many moons ago!),
took a math class titled ‘How to Lie with Statistics’!
I went to a DOD high school (Dept of Defense)-was a
military brat.!!fanit
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Airport Razz, Thu Jun 11 2020, 01:39PM
Studied Logic and Statistics. Was taught how to not only manipulate numbers for the outcome required, not researched, required and also how to manipulate the questions to enhance those requirements. Again, it's all who you believe in and hopefully trust. That is in low supply these days. Heck, the scientists can't even agree if eggs and coffee are good or bad for you. And we are supposed to trust them AND politicians who are known to lie. Comforting it isn't
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NShore.Allen, Thu Jun 11 2020, 05:43PM
Now I know why the valley seems so busy
[Click Here]
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Polar 🌌rbit, Thu Jun 11 2020, 05:49PM
I know no people that contracted China virus. Cricket, how old was the deceased and were there other health issues?
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Jellylorum, Thu Jun 11 2020, 07:26PM
43 per cent of people have, live with, or have a family member with a pre-existing condition.
[Click Here]
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 12 2020, 08:00AM
The random sample of 1,015 adults seems uncomfortably low, though was taken well before the outbreak, during Nov. 1-14, 2019.
Then there's this diddy-
news.gallup wrote ...
..with Democrats more sensitive to the issue of preexisting conditions and therefore more likely to report having one, and Republicans more inclined to downplay the issue and less likely to report having such a condition themselves.
..with Democrats more sensitive to the issue of preexisting conditions and therefore more likely to report having one, and Republicans more inclined to downplay the issue and less likely to report having such a condition themselves.
Not to open of a can of worms..
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MtMan, Fri Jun 12 2020, 09:30AM
And you just did. This is someone's opinion and not fact based. Republicans more inclined to downplay the issue, really? Did they take a poll on that? I don't believe that and until you produce any facts backing that statement up, it should be considered fake news.
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Dizzygal, Fri Jun 12 2020, 09:44AM
“It is not the strongest species that will survive, nor the most intelligent but
the one most responsive to change.” Charles Darwin
The current Covid situation resonates Charles
Darwin’s observation.!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 12 2020, 10:55AM
Virus reaches milestone; Forecasts of sporadic outbreaks ‘coming true’
RIVERSIDE – (INT) - Riverside County passed 10,000 confirmed coronavirus cases Thursday becoming a stark reminder that the virus is still active.
Health officials are urging residents to remember the importance of continuing safe health practices to help flatten the curve.
As the region expands the economy and opens for more public interaction, health officials said they expect an increase in cases. It is not known what trends will hold for the novel virus during the summer, however, many viruses do slow during the summer months.
“We forecasted sporadic outbreaks through the summer, and those forecasts so far are coming true,” said Dr. Cameron Kaiser, Riverside County health officer. “It’s time to think about what the fall will bring, and those initial estimates aren’t good. If we’re not observing social distancing and facial coverings, two things that helped before and are helping now, we’re going to lose the progress we’ve made.”
Residents of all ages are encouraged to get tested, with or without symptoms, to identify where the disease is currently present in the community and where it is not.
Story Date: June 11, 2020
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 12 2020, 11:05AM
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jun 12 2020, 05:29PM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
The random sample of 1,015 adults seems uncomfortably low, though was taken well before the outbreak, during Nov. 1-14, 2019.
Then there's this diddy-
Not to open of a can of worms..
The random sample of 1,015 adults seems uncomfortably low, though was taken well before the outbreak, during Nov. 1-14, 2019.
Then there's this diddy-
news.gallup wrote ...
..with Democrats more sensitive to the issue of preexisting conditions and therefore more likely to report having one, and Republicans more inclined to downplay the issue and less likely to report having such a condition themselves.
..with Democrats more sensitive to the issue of preexisting conditions and therefore more likely to report having one, and Republicans more inclined to downplay the issue and less likely to report having such a condition themselves.
Not to open of a can of worms..
MtMan wrote ...
And you just did. This is someone's opinion and not fact based. Republicans more inclined to downplay the issue, really? Did they take a poll on that? I don't believe that and until you produce any facts backing that statement up, it should be considered fake news.
And you just did. This is someone's opinion and not fact based. Republicans more inclined to downplay the issue, really? Did they take a poll on that? I don't believe that and until you produce any facts backing that statement up, it should be considered fake news.
It's in the article, almost halfway down.
The survey asked which party each participant represented.
Why would you ask me to fact check gallup dot com?
news.gallup wrote ...
Across political party groups, Democrats (31%) are more likely to report having a preexisting condition than are independents (24%) and Republicans (22%). A Gallup analysis finds that across age and weight groups,
Across political party groups, Democrats (31%) are more likely to report having a preexisting condition than are independents (24%) and Republicans (22%). A Gallup analysis finds that across age and weight groups,
Or is it that Republicans are just less susceptible to having 'a preexisting condition'? So when the gallup polls come out [Click Here] , we should disregard them as fake news? It's all good bro.
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Deb Doodah, Fri Jun 12 2020, 07:52PM
Guys - please keep the politics out of the thread or we will have to start deleting. Politics need to stay in the politics thread. Thanks.
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rsbruce, Fri Jun 12 2020, 09:07PM
Deb Doodah⭐ wrote ...
Guys - please keep the politics out of the thread or we will have to start deleting. Politics need to stay in the politics thread. Thanks.
Guys - please keep the politics out of the thread or we will have to start deleting. Politics need to stay in the politics thread. Thanks.
Deb,
Serious question...
How does one keep politics out of this topic?
It is an important topic and I feel should be in a public forum , not in the "Politics" forum.
Just my 2cents worth.
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Benny ⭐, Fri Jun 12 2020, 10:42PM
rsbruce wrote ...
Deb,
Serious question...
How does one keep politics out of this topic?
It is an important topic and I feel should be in a public forum , not in the "Politics" forum.
Just my 2cents worth.
Deb Doodah⭐ wrote ...
Guys - please keep the politics out of the thread or we will have to start deleting. Politics need to stay in the politics thread. Thanks.
Guys - please keep the politics out of the thread or we will have to start deleting. Politics need to stay in the politics thread. Thanks.
Deb,
Serious question...
How does one keep politics out of this topic?
It is an important topic and I feel should be in a public forum , not in the "Politics" forum.
Just my 2cents worth.
A great point, all the more reason to keep the political mudslinging out of it.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jun 13 2020, 08:20AM
Yesterday, according to the county covid dashboard was the second highest new case count.
Downplaying this would not be a good idea,imo.
[Click Here]
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cricket, Sat Jun 13 2020, 09:29PM
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
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mountainart, Sat Jun 13 2020, 09:47PM
Could you elaborate what you want the city to say enough to?
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Cap'n Crunch, Sun Jun 14 2020, 11:41AM
Here's an article from today's OC Register. Big Bear is in the top 10 of Air-BNB Covid destinations.
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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 14 2020, 11:49AM
cricket wrote ...
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
Which City? Nobody additional has gotten sick up here, we are down to just 1 case in the Valley. We've had 10 cases "according to County", 9 have since recovered and there's currently only 1 active case, so our numbers are down, nothing "more". Thankfully no increase in numbers after Memorial weekend as many suspected.
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QuantumBear, Sun Jun 14 2020, 02:15PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Which City? Nobody additional has gotten sick up here, we are down to just 1 case in the Valley. We've had 10 cases "according to County", 9 have since recovered and there's currently only 1 active case, so our numbers are down, nothing "more". Thankfully no increase in numbers after Memorial weekend as many suspected.
cricket wrote ...
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
Which City? Nobody additional has gotten sick up here, we are down to just 1 case in the Valley. We've had 10 cases "according to County", 9 have since recovered and there's currently only 1 active case, so our numbers are down, nothing "more". Thankfully no increase in numbers after Memorial weekend as many suspected.
Jinx.
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 7
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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 14 2020, 03:15PM
QuantumBear wrote ...
Jinx.
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 7
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Which City? Nobody additional has gotten sick up here, we are down to just 1 case in the Valley. We've had 10 cases "according to County", 9 have since recovered and there's currently only 1 active case, so our numbers are down, nothing "more". Thankfully no increase in numbers after Memorial weekend as many suspected.
cricket wrote ...
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
Which City? Nobody additional has gotten sick up here, we are down to just 1 case in the Valley. We've had 10 cases "according to County", 9 have since recovered and there's currently only 1 active case, so our numbers are down, nothing "more". Thankfully no increase in numbers after Memorial weekend as many suspected.
Jinx.
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 7
Correct, those are how many cases we have had over the past 3 months (total cases), they've all since recovered aside from the one newer case.
So technically it should read:
Big Bear City* 4 (3 recovered)
Big Bear Lake 7 (7 recovered)
No Fatalities
They're only showing Total Cases and Recovered under county numbers. The total number of cases won't drop because they've recovered, it's still the total number of cases we've had in the past 3 months, but doesn't mean they're still active. So really we've dropped to just 1 case locally at this time.
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SSJ2012, Sun Jun 14 2020, 03:33PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Correct, those are how many cases we have had over the past 3 months (total cases), they've all since recovered aside from the one newer case.
So technically it should read:
Big Bear City* 4 (3 recovered)
Big Bear Lake 7 (7 recovered)
No Fatalities
But they're only showing Total Cases and Recovered under county numbers. The total number of cases won't drop because they recovered, it's still the total number of cases we've had in the past 3 months.
QuantumBear wrote ...
Jinx.
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 7
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Which City? Nobody additional has gotten sick up here, we are down to just 1 case in the Valley. We've had 10 cases "according to County", 9 have since recovered and there's currently only 1 active case, so our numbers are down, nothing "more". Thankfully no increase in numbers after Memorial weekend as many suspected.
cricket wrote ...
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
How many more have to get sick before the City says enough?
Which City? Nobody additional has gotten sick up here, we are down to just 1 case in the Valley. We've had 10 cases "according to County", 9 have since recovered and there's currently only 1 active case, so our numbers are down, nothing "more". Thankfully no increase in numbers after Memorial weekend as many suspected.
Jinx.
Big Bear City* 4
Big Bear Lake 7
Correct, those are how many cases we have had over the past 3 months (total cases), they've all since recovered aside from the one newer case.
So technically it should read:
Big Bear City* 4 (3 recovered)
Big Bear Lake 7 (7 recovered)
No Fatalities
But they're only showing Total Cases and Recovered under county numbers. The total number of cases won't drop because they recovered, it's still the total number of cases we've had in the past 3 months.
The way the numbers are presented give a feeling that it’s a lot worse in my personal opinion. In all reality I’m not nervous about this summer (mainly cause everyone is outside) but more concerned how things will work out in the winter when people spend more time indoors.
But one has to really, really wonder, with all the visitors coming up, where are they going to restroom since most are closed down?
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QuantumBear, Sun Jun 14 2020, 08:00PM
5th highest case count today in SB county.
Keep up the down play.
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Squatch, Sun Jun 14 2020, 08:18PM
Imagine, after all of the hype and fear, the numbers didn`t explode, we didn`t all die and the world didn`t end!
Very telling!
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cricket, Mon Jun 15 2020, 07:52PM
Another case reported today
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Benny ⭐, Mon Jun 15 2020, 10:57PM
cricket wrote ...
Another case reported today
Another case reported today
Not today, that's the same one we talked about over the weekend/last week. Everyone else is just catching up. If you check the San Bernardino covid page, you can keep up with day to day numbers. Total confirmed cases at 11, with 9-10 recovered and back in society if you will.... no fatalities.
Obviously it doesn't count the many of us who likely already had it.
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rsbruce, Tue Jun 16 2020, 01:53PM
An interesting article:
[Click Here]
A quote from the article:
"The current mitigation measures, such as social distancing, quarantine, and isolation implemented in the United States, are insufficient by themselves in protecting the public. Our analysis reveals that the difference with and without mandated face covering represents the determinant in shaping the trends of the pandemic worldwide. We conclude that wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission, and this inexpensive practice, in conjunction with extensive testing, quarantine, and contact tracking, poses the most probable fighting opportunity to stop the COVID-19 pandemic, prior to the development of a vaccine."
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 16 2020, 03:23PM
Today had THE HIGHEST to date new case count.
[Click Here]
Perhaps someone could explain it for me.
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BillyJean, Tue Jun 16 2020, 06:56PM
QuantumBear wrote ...
Today had THE HIGHEST to date new case count.
[Click Here]
Perhaps someone could explain it for me.
Today had THE HIGHEST to date new case count.
[Click Here]
Perhaps someone could explain it for me.
Most likely due to newly expanded, extensive testing. In the grand scheme of things, 281 cases in a county of 2.18 million is minuscule, during flu season over half the county will fall ill with some form of cold, flu or virus. None the less, it's worthy of noting, especially if that trend continues.
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 17 2020, 06:27AM
Billyjean wrote ...
Most likely due to newly expanded, extensive testing. In the grand scheme of things, 281 cases in a county of 2.18 million is minuscule, during flu season over half the county will fall ill with some form of cold, flu or virus. None the less, it's worthy of noting, especially if that trend continues.
QuantumBear wrote ...
Today had THE HIGHEST to date new case count.
[Click Here]
Perhaps someone could explain it for me.
Today had THE HIGHEST to date new case count.
[Click Here]
Perhaps someone could explain it for me.
Most likely due to newly expanded, extensive testing. In the grand scheme of things, 281 cases in a county of 2.18 million is minuscule, during flu season over half the county will fall ill with some form of cold, flu or virus. None the less, it's worthy of noting, especially if that trend continues.
Huh, 2097 tested yesterday.
Target # is 3288.
Over a thousand tests below target.
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rdoctor, Wed Jun 17 2020, 07:30AM
About half of the reported COVID cases are false positives. There's much variance and inaccuracy in the testing. A common cold is often mistaken for COVID. Spend some time and do the research.
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rsbruce, Wed Jun 17 2020, 10:26AM
rdoctor,
I am confused by your comment. My research has indicated that the false positives are actually from the immunity testing NOT the viral test? The ramifications of which test your eluding to is significant, eh?
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 17 2020, 03:57PM
6/17
Forth highest number of confirmed cases.
Testing, 1000+ under target.
Past week hospital census, steady climb in confirmed covid positive patients.
Does the curve appear to be flattening to you ? Please tell me it is.
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 17 2020, 03:59PM
The scientific method has five basic steps, plus one feedback step:
Make an observation.
Ask a question.
Form a hypothesis, or testable explanation.
Make a prediction based on the hypothesis.
Test the prediction.
Iterate: use the results to make new hypotheses or predictions.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed Jun 17 2020, 06:25PM
It's time for all the pessimists to stay home and wipe everything with their best anti-viral solution. The rest of us will breath fresh air, fish, hike, ride, drive, eat, drink, and be merry. Oh yeah, rake pine needles as well.
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rsbruce, Wed Jun 17 2020, 06:49PM
Polar 🌌rbit wrote ...
It's time for all the pessimists to stay home and wipe everything with their best anti-viral solution. The rest of us will breath fresh air, fish, hike, ride, drive, eat, drink, and be merry. Oh yeah, rake pine needles as well.
It's time for all the pessimists to stay home and wipe everything with their best anti-viral solution. The rest of us will breath fresh air, fish, hike, ride, drive, eat, drink, and be merry. Oh yeah, rake pine needles as well.
Actually, the ones that need to stay home are those that refuse to adhere to basic health precautions in public such as wearing masks.
The rest of us will breath easier if you do that
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 17 2020, 09:00PM
Polar 🌌rbit wrote ...
It's time for all the pessimists to stay home and wipe everything with their best anti-viral solution. The rest of us will breath fresh air, fish, hike, ride, drive, eat, drink, and be merry. Oh yeah, rake pine needles as well.
It's time for all the pessimists to stay home and wipe everything with their best anti-viral solution. The rest of us will breath fresh air, fish, hike, ride, drive, eat, drink, and be merry. Oh yeah, rake pine needles as well.
BTW, I'm an essential worker
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cricket, Wed Jun 17 2020, 09:33PM
If someone dies of covid in this valley I pray to God their family hires an attorney and sues the City of Big Bear Lake. They are being very irresponsible. Just about all of the Council members have a conflict if interest. They should not be opening this town to a free for all which they knew would happen.
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mountainart, Wed Jun 17 2020, 09:40PM
Since masks were shown to not have any effect at reducing covid infections, by, as the latest, German govt study, and long known in us medical circles, why do people still wear them, knowing that it is a govt mandated placebo? Answer: to make those who blindly follow govt edicts to feel more safe and secure when out and about. No big deal, it's easy to be gracious and accommodate the feelings of those around you who are uncomfortable going free. Just basic neighborliness
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rsbruce, Thu Jun 18 2020, 06:20AM
mountainart wrote ...
Since masks were shown to not have any effect at reducing covid infections, by, as the latest, German govt study, and long known in us medical circles, why do people still wear them, knowing that it is a govt mandated placebo? Answer: to make those who blindly follow govt edicts to feel more safe and secure when out and about. No big deal, it's easy to be gracious and accommodate the feelings of those around you who are uncomfortable going free. Just basic neighborliness
Since masks were shown to not have any effect at reducing covid infections, by, as the latest, German govt study, and long known in us medical circles, why do people still wear them, knowing that it is a govt mandated placebo? Answer: to make those who blindly follow govt edicts to feel more safe and secure when out and about. No big deal, it's easy to be gracious and accommodate the feelings of those around you who are uncomfortable going free. Just basic neighborliness
Please provide a link to the study you are eluding to. All of the studies I have read say exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
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mountainart, Thu Jun 18 2020, 07:10AM
Will collate the links and post. Meanwhile, average face covering masks have 200+ micron porosity, most cloth face coverings currently used by average person has porosity of 600 to 2000 micron porosity. 1500 virus lined up side to side can pass through.
Mention of face covering stopping average 600 to 2000 micron spittle particles from passing through, as droplets get caught by mask material, but what is never explained is that once droplets evaporate, encased viruses held in by turgor/surface tension disappears, and virus subsequently freely gets blown through mask materials by normal exhalation.
The only way to prevent virus from excaping mask material is to make porosity so small that pass-through passages are smaller than virus itself. Only problem with this is that for needed volume of transpiration to support human being oxygen replenishment needs, the filter square surface area needs to be on the order of square feet, not a few square inches which is what masks have. In other words, for a mask to have openings small enough to prevent virus passage, that ends up restricting airflow to such a degree that you would be suffocated by a mask sized filter in a few breath attempts. Only effective method is what the true viral isolating breathing units that CDC uses which you breathe through a large multi square foot aggregate surface area filter carried on your body/backpack, with a tube leading up to your fully enclosed facemask. The only problem with this, is that in order to be not infectious, would be to wear a full bio isolation suit, like you saw workers wearing during the Ebola incidents, but then you would have to have a second full filter system for your exhalations to prevent you from infecting others. This system is something that does not exist, and cannot be purchased yet. Also, assistance with gas passage would need to be augmented with pressure pumping, so you would need power supply and positive pressure systems. Then you develop issues with positive pressure "bubble" suits, as the positive preasure developed inside suit to prevent exterior air from getting in, means that conversely, you are constantly pushing your own suit air out through uncontrollable micro holes in the seams and material of the auits, which means that if you are infected, yur virus shedding will be pushed out into local air.
Absent that, and no isolation of other points of entry such as moist eye entry points, it is basicaly a placebo effect. Realization that average human has no way to purchase a breathing unit that is effective which costs more than average human monthly salary, and which needs to be serviced, filter replaced after only a few hours of use. Economically impossible for general populations, so govt issues guidance for basically placebo level protections, to placate general population.
This is just my personal take, after doing serious search and education of self by visiting informational sources and talking to medical infectious disease control experts.
But, we still wear masks when out around other people, as it is about helping to create a feeling of security and peace, which in itself is a positive thing. One positive benefit, however, of living up at altitude of big bear is that UB intensity is much higher in daytime than down the hill, breaking down viral structure very very fast.
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BootsNBridles, Thu Jun 18 2020, 07:25AM
mountainart wrote ...
Since masks were shown to not have any effect at reducing covid infections, by, as the latest, German govt study, and long known in us medical circles, why do people still wear them, knowing that it is a govt mandated placebo? Answer: to make those who blindly follow govt edicts to feel more safe and secure when out and about. No big deal, it's easy to be gracious and accommodate the feelings of those around you who are uncomfortable going free. Just basic neighborliness
Since masks were shown to not have any effect at reducing covid infections, by, as the latest, German govt study, and long known in us medical circles, why do people still wear them, knowing that it is a govt mandated placebo? Answer: to make those who blindly follow govt edicts to feel more safe and secure when out and about. No big deal, it's easy to be gracious and accommodate the feelings of those around you who are uncomfortable going free. Just basic neighborliness
Typical. You pick ONE study that supports your belief and call it good while ignoring at least 5? 10? others that say masks are definitely helping. How is it living in Never Never Land?
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mountainart, Thu Jun 18 2020, 07:31AM
Please reread what I just wrote, and go ahead and refute any of it. You didn't read what I posted. This information is available on numerous infectious disease control sites, including CDC referenced studies, JohnsHopkins, Atlanta CDC, and US army Infectious disease control Institute. I have spent days reading infectious control measures practices and measures, issued by these and other numerous pathenogenic control practices employed by the professional infectious disease experts who actually go out and have to work in the infectious/patenogenic environments.
Your calling the mainstream media reporting studies showing efficacy of wearing typical face coverings used by the general population shown to slow primary entrapment of exhaled particle is a good start into actually learning about disease and viral control vectoring. Dig deeper, and see that those studies show rates of 15 to 30 percent slowdown of particles, which is good, but those studies, if you bother to read the ones that go deeper, list the eventual passage of virus at close to 100 percent, once entraping moisture evaporates. Even N95 masks reach filtration medium saturation after only 20 minutes of exhalation. Then they need to be thrown away, as filtering process loses efficacy. What percent of the population is doing this? Statiatically zero. That is why I strongly call media bs, and label mask wearing a carefully crafted placebo edict, designed to help with mental health of general population. Google Loma Linda beat practices policy on masks worn by infectious disease healthcare workers. Efficacy of masks full design filtering levels listed in minutes, masks required to be used and thrown away on a recurring interval of minutes, or on per exposure occurrence in isolation wards. This is the actual truth, not media brainwashing public into believing that home depot "covid" mask will prevent viral passage after even a few minutes of wear. And specially designed medical viral prevention masks lose all propholactic ability when immetsed in water and subsequently dried, as molecular "stickiness" to entrap virus, bacteria, ect is destroyed. So washing masks and reusong them is myth, pure placation of population to prevent panic.
It is dangerous to rely on soundbite oriented press coverage at face value, without doing your own further digging and research. If face masks are so effective, then all those infectious hotzone workers wearing full body isolation suits are just silly overkill, to prevent passage of pathogens? Of course not, that is the only way humans currently know of to effectively resist transmission, and that is only from the side of healthy individuals, attempting to isolate from sick, as Army Infectious disease Control Institute reference, supported by CDC peer review, and adoption of minimum standards practices shows that only a percentage of viral shedding vectors from mouth, majority exfoliates from other orifices, skin, hair follicles, etc.
Ask yourself, if face masks are effective in preventing a sick person from releasing virus into general environment, why is it that isolation wards in hospitals have to rely on million dollar filtration systems to keep sick person room air from infecting rest of hospital. Why not just put a facemask on them? Occams razor
In my opinion, herd immunity will have to be the deciding factor whether this virus continues to be a hazard for elderly and immumocompromised populations( vast majority (last CDC published stats at 90+% , June 4 website link update) of cases that result in death/hospitalization). Ever increasing evidence is reinforcing that healthy population already resists this virus, with majority of positive symptomless carrier cases prove.
I and my family are extreme libertarian, less govt type of people, but we do not condone actions of people who deliberatwly antagonize people they come into contact with by loudly proclaiming it is a frwe country, so they see no problem in deliberately upsetting people who are yncomfortable not wearing masks. We are all one comminity, and that comes with social responsibilities to try to help everyone feel secure and mentally positive. That is the reason why we wear masks when around strangers, or those that have expressed desire to wear masks.
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Airport Razz, Thu Jun 18 2020, 08:11AM
So I guess using that logic profile and applying to other factions of our lives, I guess I really don't need to be wearing those really uncomfortable seat belts as I am traveling amongst the hordes.
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Squatch, Thu Jun 18 2020, 08:25AM
cricket wrote ...
If someone dies of covid in this valley I pray to God their family hires an attorney and sues the City of Big Bear Lake. They are being very irresponsible. Just about all of the Council members have a conflict if interest. They should not be opening this town to a free for all which they knew would happen.
If someone dies of covid in this valley I pray to God their family hires an attorney and sues the City of Big Bear Lake. They are being very irresponsible. Just about all of the Council members have a conflict if interest. They should not be opening this town to a free for all which they knew would happen.
REALLY!!!
So, if someone dies from the regular flu, tb, pneumonia or any other potentially life threatening disease that we face every day of our lives, we should sue?
People are very capable of taking the precautions that best fits THEIR scenario....
Staying home is always an option, please leave God out of it and stop adding to the hype!
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mountainart, Thu Jun 18 2020, 08:33AM
Airport Razz wrote ...
So I guess using that logic profile and applying to other factions of our lives, I guess I really don't need to be wearing those really uncomfortable seat belts as I am traveling amongst the hordes.
So I guess using that logic profile and applying to other factions of our lives, I guess I really don't need to be wearing those really uncomfortable seat belts as I am traveling amongst the hordes.
Whose logic profile(post) are you referring to?
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BillyJean, Thu Jun 18 2020, 10:53AM
Airport Razz wrote ...
So I guess using that logic profile and applying to other factions of our lives, I guess I really don't need to be wearing those really uncomfortable seat belts as I am traveling amongst the hordes.
So I guess using that logic profile and applying to other factions of our lives, I guess I really don't need to be wearing those really uncomfortable seat belts as I am traveling amongst the hordes.
Also true, don't wear your seat belt if you don't want, and see where that gets you if you run into a wall. But since you're using apples to apples analogy, I don't think wearing a mask will protect you much if you run into a wall either.
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Tlingit, Thu Jun 18 2020, 11:05AM
Billyjean wrote ...
Also true, don't wear your seat belt if you don't want, and see where that gets you if you run into a wall. But since you're using apples to apples analogy, I don't think wearing a mask will protect you much if you run into a wall either.
Airport Razz wrote ...
So I guess using that logic profile and applying to other factions of our lives, I guess I really don't need to be wearing those really uncomfortable seat belts as I am traveling amongst the hordes.
So I guess using that logic profile and applying to other factions of our lives, I guess I really don't need to be wearing those really uncomfortable seat belts as I am traveling amongst the hordes.
Also true, don't wear your seat belt if you don't want, and see where that gets you if you run into a wall. But since you're using apples to apples analogy, I don't think wearing a mask will protect you much if you run into a wall either.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jun 18 2020, 12:11PM
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SSJ2012, Thu Jun 18 2020, 01:41PM
The reasoning behind the mask is simple, if I spray you with a water hose you’ll get wet, if you cover your entire body with clothing and I spray you with water hose, you’ll still get wet. But if I cover the nozzle with rag, T-shirt or mask and try spray, you chances of getting wet are greatly reduced.
The mask aren’t going to prevent you from getting sick, they’re meant to prevent sick who may not know they’re sick from possibly spreading it through water droplets.
Personally, I think the recent up tick in numbers is the fact the states are finally testing nursing homes and jails. The biggest outbreaks in San Bernardino County are the Chino State Prison, Jails and nursing homes. ABC 7 had video few weeks back of prisoners spitting in each other mouths in hope of getting sick and spreading the virus. Why? They thought they’d be released.
But media doesn’t want to report that as much as they prefer for everyone to be locked down at home. My proof is simple, if you’re stuck at home, you’re more likely to turn on the news, thus increasing ratings which means they can sale their commercial time and ads for more, that all increases the profits.
Luckily my mother in law’s nursing home she works at hasn’t had a new case in 2 weeks and 3/4 of the infected have recovered. In grand total, 29 got infected, 4 passed away.
And one last point, do you honestly believe the police right now are going enforce any mask laws? Cause they’re not even allowed to arrest someone for spitting in their face.
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QuantumBear, Thu Jun 18 2020, 02:11PM
6/18
440 confirmed new cases.
That's by far the most one day total, 2nd place day before yesterday 281.
440-281= 159
Down Play ??
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BootsNBridles, Thu Jun 18 2020, 03:13PM
So I just heard an epidemiologist respond to the idea that masks allow the virus back out. He said two things, paraphrased- how is the virus supposed to dry out and separate from the water droplets? You breathe out a large percentage of moisture that keeps the inside of your mask damp at all times. Once you take it off to dry you SHOULD be tossing it or washing it. AND two- the virus isn't going anywhere by itself for two reasons. One, it attaches to other molecules immediately and two, it's so small on it's own that it can't go far.
So logic wins. But many people will continue to look for excuses to keep from wearing masks and to keep from social distancing. Sadly too many in our society are selfish enough that their comfort is more iimportant than the lives of others.
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QuantumBear, Thu Jun 18 2020, 03:36PM
Did you hear the news
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wisteria1, Thu Jun 18 2020, 04:50PM
"That's by far the most one day total, 2nd place day before yesterday 281."
I think this is where numbers get us into trouble drawing conclusions. Fortunately the SB County Dashboard has gone back to listing number of tests performed at various locations every day (especially helpful up here with MCH doing testing three days a week). From what I've been able to see, every big spike in positive tests is preceded two to three days earlier by a spike in number of tests performed. Ergo....whatever you want to interpret from that.
It astounds me how many people (90%) I see have foregone the masks. I'm a high risk old lady so I figure it's my responsibility not to go anywhere and protect myself on my weekly run to the post office. Thank God for Instacart delivery and Goodwins curbside pickup!
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mountainart, Thu Jun 18 2020, 05:08PM
BootsNBridles wrote ...
So I just heard an epidemiologist respond to the idea that masks allow the virus back out. He said two things, paraphrased- how is the virus supposed to dry out and separate from the water droplets? You breathe out a large percentage of moisture that keeps the inside of your mask damp at all times. Once you take it off to dry you SHOULD be tossing it or washing it. AND two- the virus isn't going anywhere by itself for two reasons. One, it attaches to other molecules immediately and two, it's so small on it's own that it can't go far.
So logic wins. But many people will continue to look for excuses to keep from wearing masks and to keep from social distancing. Sadly too many in our society are selfish enough that their comfort is more iimportant than the lives of others.
So I just heard an epidemiologist respond to the idea that masks allow the virus back out. He said two things, paraphrased- how is the virus supposed to dry out and separate from the water droplets? You breathe out a large percentage of moisture that keeps the inside of your mask damp at all times. Once you take it off to dry you SHOULD be tossing it or washing it. AND two- the virus isn't going anywhere by itself for two reasons. One, it attaches to other molecules immediately and two, it's so small on it's own that it can't go far.
So logic wins. But many people will continue to look for excuses to keep from wearing masks and to keep from social distancing. Sadly too many in our society are selfish enough that their comfort is more iimportant than the lives of others.
99 percent of your breath moisture exhales right through the mask. Average adult human exhales 20 to 25 cc per hour. That equivalates to a sugarcube size every 3 minutes. If your mask actually retained all your exhalation moisture, your mask would become sopping wet in a matter of minutes.
The person you quoted is a false medical "authority" who is so ignorant( or deliberate false agenda) that his statements fail basic understanding of how much moisture you are constantly exhaling. For the media to publish such patent malinformation, shows media is a direct part of a campaign to make the virus much more alarming than it has any right to be.
By the way, you lose almost an equal amount through your skin, about 20 cc per hour. Where is your body mask to catch all that virus laden sweat? If your clothes were impervious to moisture, it would be the same as wearing a rubber suit. I have done this. In a matter of a short while, you are literally streaming sweat from the arm and leg holes. You notice it because all your body volume gets concentrated to a couple exits, so you can really see what you shed, constantly, from your whole body.
A mask on your face only stops a fraction of a percent of your whole bodies moisture loss. Also, on any mask, you exhale moisture through mask, and even if there are viruses that are present in breath, the last layer that gets caught on exterior of mask instantly dries out at the surface when you suck in. This now leaves a micro dusting of pathogens that get blown off into the immediate airspace at the beginning turnaround of breathing out.
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QuantumBear, Thu Jun 18 2020, 05:13PM
mountainart wrote ...
99 percent of your breath moisture exhales right through the mask. Average adult human exhales 20 to 25 cc per hour. That equivalates to a sugarcube size every 3 minutes. Id your mask acrually retained all tour exhalation moisture, your mask would become sopping wet in a matter of minutes.
The person you quoted is a false medical "authority" who is so ignorant( or deliberate galse agenda) that his statements fail basic understanding of how much moisture you are constantly exhaling. For the media to publish such patent malinformation, shows media is a direct part of a campaign to make the virus much more alarming than it has any right to be.
By the way, you lose almost an equal amount through your skin, about 20 cc per hour. Where is your body mask to catch all that virus laden sweat? If your clothes were impervious to moisture, it would be the same as wearing a rubber suit. I have done this. In a matter of a short while, you are literally streaming sweat from the arm and leg holes. You notice it because all your body volume gets concentrated to a couple exits, so ypucan really see what ypu shed, constantly, from your whole body.
A mask on your face only stops a fraction of a percent of your whole bodies moisture loss. Also, on any mask, you ehhale moisture through mask, and even if there are viruses that are present in breath, the last layer that gets caught on exterior of mask instantly dries out at the surface when you suck in. This now leaves a micro dusting of pathogens that get blown off into the immediate airspace at the beginning turnaround of breathing out.
BootsNBridles wrote ...
So I just heard an epidemiologist respond to the idea that masks allow the virus back out. He said two things, paraphrased- how is the virus supposed to dry out and separate from the water droplets? You breathe out a large percentage of moisture that keeps the inside of your mask damp at all times. Once you take it off to dry you SHOULD be tossing it or washing it. AND two- the virus isn't going anywhere by itself for two reasons. One, it attaches to other molecules immediately and two, it's so small on it's own that it can't go far.
So logic wins. But many people will continue to look for excuses to keep from wearing masks and to keep from social distancing. Sadly too many in our society are selfish enough that their comfort is more iimportant than the lives of others.
So I just heard an epidemiologist respond to the idea that masks allow the virus back out. He said two things, paraphrased- how is the virus supposed to dry out and separate from the water droplets? You breathe out a large percentage of moisture that keeps the inside of your mask damp at all times. Once you take it off to dry you SHOULD be tossing it or washing it. AND two- the virus isn't going anywhere by itself for two reasons. One, it attaches to other molecules immediately and two, it's so small on it's own that it can't go far.
So logic wins. But many people will continue to look for excuses to keep from wearing masks and to keep from social distancing. Sadly too many in our society are selfish enough that their comfort is more iimportant than the lives of others.
99 percent of your breath moisture exhales right through the mask. Average adult human exhales 20 to 25 cc per hour. That equivalates to a sugarcube size every 3 minutes. Id your mask acrually retained all tour exhalation moisture, your mask would become sopping wet in a matter of minutes.
The person you quoted is a false medical "authority" who is so ignorant( or deliberate galse agenda) that his statements fail basic understanding of how much moisture you are constantly exhaling. For the media to publish such patent malinformation, shows media is a direct part of a campaign to make the virus much more alarming than it has any right to be.
By the way, you lose almost an equal amount through your skin, about 20 cc per hour. Where is your body mask to catch all that virus laden sweat? If your clothes were impervious to moisture, it would be the same as wearing a rubber suit. I have done this. In a matter of a short while, you are literally streaming sweat from the arm and leg holes. You notice it because all your body volume gets concentrated to a couple exits, so ypucan really see what ypu shed, constantly, from your whole body.
A mask on your face only stops a fraction of a percent of your whole bodies moisture loss. Also, on any mask, you ehhale moisture through mask, and even if there are viruses that are present in breath, the last layer that gets caught on exterior of mask instantly dries out at the surface when you suck in. This now leaves a micro dusting of pathogens that get blown off into the immediate airspace at the beginning turnaround of breathing out.
Drywall dust clogs them
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SSJ2012, Thu Jun 18 2020, 05:16PM
Another note to add is the fact the 1st month of the lockdown, testing sucked, people who were sick didn’t meet the very narrow requirements and test were extremely limited.
3 questions I have.
If a person tests positive for antibodies test, yet negative for virus do they get added into numbers?
Second is while the website shows where the person lives, and they’re attached to outbreak, could it be possible to list the outbreaks. For instance, Chino looks like they’re getting hit hard, but do those numbers include the outbreak in prison
Last question is, does Big Bear have to wait another 4-5 weeks for a drive Thur testing event?
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jun 18 2020, 05:17PM
If you are at risk stay home. I'll continue to live my life without fear of a virus with an 0.3% infected fatality rate....sheesh soooo scary.
Also crazy how COVID seemed to avoid the protests... [Click Here]
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Squatch, Thu Jun 18 2020, 06:51PM
Yup, doesn`t make any rational sense, you`re not supposed to leave your house without a mask in public but it`s just fine to go sans mask if you gather in huge groups to protest or worse loot!
Not buying it, it`s B.S.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 19 2020, 08:14AM
Snip from:
[Click Here]
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Epidemiology reveals mask wearing by the public is crucial for COVID-19 control
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COVID-19 is mainly transmitted by saliva droplet which containing considerable copies of virus. Asymptomatic carriers are the main source of infection.
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Under different public health policies, infection curve responded more sensitively than daily reported cases and reveals that wearing mask by the public is the most efficient way to reduce daily infection cases.
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Our results elucidated the importance of daily infection curve in the assessment of efficiencies of prevention measures in an epidemic outbreak.
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Mask wearing by the public will be an important policy during the lifting of lockdown, as continued wearing masks can help prevent the epidemic from spreading again.
Abstract
Objective
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Airport Razz, Fri Jun 19 2020, 06:04PM
Devil's advocate time. Been a rough day, been called everything from a racist to an educated cracker (not sure what that is exactly but it was used after a number rather foul remarks
). And it is all appearantly MY FAULT because I grew up pasty white, poor, on a navy base and was educated by the american school system during the 60s and 70s . When did that become something so bad? Anyway, Devil time. I have heard time and time again, if you are in the high risk group or just scared and worried about your and others health and feel that wearing a mask would be helpful to a point that those people should just stay home. Well, I am tired of racist bigotry, yes, I said it, racist against the vunerable. How about this. Those that don't feel a mask is useful and a waste time and wont wear it, YOU STAY HOME!!!!!!!!! You will at least be among same thought pattern people that way and not breaking any law or state mandate and not present yourself as a putz. Yes, I said it folks. And I am tired of hearing it. 99% of the popultion is taking crap for a really nasty 1% that is still out there and hasn't been breed out of the gene pool yet. Want to attack someone, attack the 1% and leave the people that just want to go about thier lives alone. And before anyone says anything, I aplogize about the mixed message but will most likely leave this same message on the protest channel. Hey, everyone be careful out there and don't let the vertially challenged drive you to crazy. Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Fri Jun 19 2020, 06:23PM
Buddy, take your meds, it`ll be ok!
If we haven`t all died and the world hasn`t ended by now were gonna be alright!
Just don`t buy into the hype, THAT stress is what will kill you! Seriously!
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Airport Razz, Fri Jun 19 2020, 07:14PM
Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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cricket, Fri Jun 19 2020, 09:06PM
Airport Razz wrote ...
Devil's advocate time. Been a rough day, been called everything from a racist to an educated cracker (not sure what that is exactly but it was used after a number rather foul remarks ). And it is all appearantly MY FAULT because I grew up pasty white, poor, on a navy base and was educated by the american school system during the 60s and 70s . When did that become something so bad? Anyway, Devil time. I have heard time and time again, if you are in the high risk group or just scared and worried about your and others health and feel that wearing a mask would be helpful to a point that those people should just stay home. Well, I am tired of racist bigotry, yes, I said it, racist against the vunerable. How about this. Those that don't feel a mask is useful and a waste time and wont wear it, YOU STAY HOME!!!!!!!!! You will at least be among same thought pattern people that way and not breaking any law or state mandate and not present yourself as a putz. Yes, I said it folks. And I am tired of hearing it. 99% of the popultion is taking crap for a really nasty 1% that is still out there and hasn't been breed out of the gene pool yet. Want to attack someone, attack the 1% and leave the people that just want to go about thier lives alone. And before anyone says anything, I aplogize about the mixed message but will most likely leave this same message on the protest channel. Hey, everyone be careful out there and don't let the vertially challenged drive you to crazy.
Devil's advocate time. Been a rough day, been called everything from a racist to an educated cracker (not sure what that is exactly but it was used after a number rather foul remarks
). And it is all appearantly MY FAULT because I grew up pasty white, poor, on a navy base and was educated by the american school system during the 60s and 70s . When did that become something so bad? Anyway, Devil time. I have heard time and time again, if you are in the high risk group or just scared and worried about your and others health and feel that wearing a mask would be helpful to a point that those people should just stay home. Well, I am tired of racist bigotry, yes, I said it, racist against the vunerable. How about this. Those that don't feel a mask is useful and a waste time and wont wear it, YOU STAY HOME!!!!!!!!! You will at least be among same thought pattern people that way and not breaking any law or state mandate and not present yourself as a putz. Yes, I said it folks. And I am tired of hearing it. 99% of the popultion is taking crap for a really nasty 1% that is still out there and hasn't been breed out of the gene pool yet. Want to attack someone, attack the 1% and leave the people that just want to go about thier lives alone. And before anyone says anything, I aplogize about the mixed message but will most likely leave this same message on the protest channel. Hey, everyone be careful out there and don't let the vertially challenged drive you to crazy. He has a point. The ones that do not want to wear a mask nees to stay th F HOME. Keep your germs to yourself. The Governor of this Great State of California MANDATES you wear a mask when around the public. Grow up and do what you are suppose to do. Thousands are depending on it. Want to go back to lock down? Or worse?
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Squatch, Fri Jun 19 2020, 10:15PM
cricket wrote ...
He has a point. The ones that do not want to wear a mask nees to stay th F HOME. Keep your germs to yourself. The Governor of this Great State of California MANDATES you wear a mask when around the public. Grow up and do what you are suppose to do. Thousands are depending on it. Want to go back to lock down? Or worse?
Airport Razz wrote ...
Devil's advocate time. Been a rough day, been called everything from a racist to an educated cracker (not sure what that is exactly but it was used after a number rather foul remarks ). And it is all appearantly MY FAULT because I grew up pasty white, poor, on a navy base and was educated by the american school system during the 60s and 70s . When did that become something so bad? Anyway, Devil time. I have heard time and time again, if you are in the high risk group or just scared and worried about your and others health and feel that wearing a mask would be helpful to a point that those people should just stay home. Well, I am tired of racist bigotry, yes, I said it, racist against the vunerable. How about this. Those that don't feel a mask is useful and a waste time and wont wear it, YOU STAY HOME!!!!!!!!! You will at least be among same thought pattern people that way and not breaking any law or state mandate and not present yourself as a putz. Yes, I said it folks. And I am tired of hearing it. 99% of the popultion is taking crap for a really nasty 1% that is still out there and hasn't been breed out of the gene pool yet. Want to attack someone, attack the 1% and leave the people that just want to go about thier lives alone. And before anyone says anything, I aplogize about the mixed message but will most likely leave this same message on the protest channel. Hey, everyone be careful out there and don't let the vertially challenged drive you to crazy.
Devil's advocate time. Been a rough day, been called everything from a racist to an educated cracker (not sure what that is exactly but it was used after a number rather foul remarks
). And it is all appearantly MY FAULT because I grew up pasty white, poor, on a navy base and was educated by the american school system during the 60s and 70s . When did that become something so bad? Anyway, Devil time. I have heard time and time again, if you are in the high risk group or just scared and worried about your and others health and feel that wearing a mask would be helpful to a point that those people should just stay home. Well, I am tired of racist bigotry, yes, I said it, racist against the vunerable. How about this. Those that don't feel a mask is useful and a waste time and wont wear it, YOU STAY HOME!!!!!!!!! You will at least be among same thought pattern people that way and not breaking any law or state mandate and not present yourself as a putz. Yes, I said it folks. And I am tired of hearing it. 99% of the popultion is taking crap for a really nasty 1% that is still out there and hasn't been breed out of the gene pool yet. Want to attack someone, attack the 1% and leave the people that just want to go about thier lives alone. And before anyone says anything, I aplogize about the mixed message but will most likely leave this same message on the protest channel. Hey, everyone be careful out there and don't let the vertially challenged drive you to crazy. He has a point. The ones that do not want to wear a mask nees to stay th F HOME. Keep your germs to yourself. The Governor of this Great State of California MANDATES you wear a mask when around the public. Grow up and do what you are suppose to do. Thousands are depending on it. Want to go back to lock down? Or worse?
Hmmm, you`re going to scold/school US about whether or not WE wear a mask, but said nothing about the hundreds of protestors and looters that our gov officials allow to run around in huge groups and most with no mask! A double standard if I ever saw one, this so called mandate is a joke!
Again, you perpetuate the negative hype which helps no one, just makes it worse for everyone!
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MtMan, Fri Jun 19 2020, 10:47PM
Such viciousness from the "wear a mask" people. "Stay the F home", "keep your germs", "you putz", ad nauseum. Isn't that funny? Do as I say or we will try and shame you!!! Nope, doesn't work, nice try.
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Nature, Fri Jun 19 2020, 11:55PM
There are a lot of negative comments on both sides.
The difference is one side is trying to encourage people to be safe. The other side is encouraging people to ignore the vast majority of scientists saying we need to be safe. Conservatively, there are almost 9 million confirmed cases of covid, almost 500,000 confirmed Covid19 deaths, even with all the shut downs and practicing requested safety measures. There are little to no consequences here in the US for ignoring those safety measures. Some countries are fining and sometimes jailing people for ignoring safety requirements. Confirmed cases are only the ones being tested. The thousands who get sick and those who die without being tested are not counted. The increase in numbers are becoming alarming not because of the additional tests being done but the concern of hospitals who still don’t have adequate PPEs and beds are starting to fill up once again. I’ve said, in another post, wait for late June and July to find out where this is going and here we are starting up again. Pay attention. Non-mask wearers, hug and kiss and hang with whomever will join you. Those practicing safety measures, keep it up. You should be fine. You can’t change the minds of people who won’t believe there is a problem until it happens to them or those they care about. Then nay sayers “might” consider the prospect of not spreading their germs to others, no matter how ineffective they think it may be.
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MrOwl, Sat Jun 20 2020, 05:33AM
Where are beds filling up? We just had the third highest count in Idaho since this started and had ZERO hospitalizations yesterday.
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rdoctor, Sat Jun 20 2020, 07:10AM
Gruesome can shove his mask order up his rear orifice.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jun 20 2020, 07:26AM
You 'patriots' are not scoring very high in the citizenship category.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:12AM
What should be discussed is what is a mask, The cowboy style on a trail drive that’s not tight on the face the homemade cloth type with a hole drilled in for the cigarette or the N95 that filters out .00005 the germ. I want an N95 that protects me from the germ not to keep protect others from my bad breath it’s the only offence we have why bicker about who is right or wrong. IM not going to follow a social influence the Kartrashing the Oparh pig it what was required in 1918 they beat that flu.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:37AM
Skyline Drive wrote ...
What should be discussed is what is a mask, The cowboy style on a trail drive that’s not tight on the face the homemade cloth type with a hole drilled in for the cigarette or the N95 that filters out .00005 the germ. I want an N95 that protects me from the germ not to keep protect others from my bad breath it’s the only offence we have why bicker about who is right or wrong. IM not going to follow a social influence the Kartrashing the Oparh pig it what was required in 1918 they beat that flu.
What should be discussed is what is a mask, The cowboy style on a trail drive that’s not tight on the face the homemade cloth type with a hole drilled in for the cigarette or the N95 that filters out .00005 the germ. I want an N95 that protects me from the germ not to keep protect others from my bad breath it’s the only offence we have why bicker about who is right or wrong. IM not going to follow a social influence the Kartrashing the Oparh pig it what was required in 1918 they beat that flu.
3M N95 are great. I've used them for years, sanding drywall and grinding fiberglass.
Look at the directions to bend the nose piece correctly or else it will leak.
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rdoctor, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:42AM
Fear is the best tool to control the public. It fits within Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs perfectly.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:57AM
I was single up in Big Bear in the 70s the only health rules don't meet a female at Chad’s. The Highlander or Disco seemed to offer a better quality trollop.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:58AM
Do you believe this is a conspiracy ? Seriously asking.
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Squatch, Sat Jun 20 2020, 09:56AM
Here`s the problem with using numbers to make public sanctions...
1. The data that is used is hugely inaccurate, tons of non-covid cases are being reported as covid which makes "the numbers" B.S., this is a fact! If this problem is truly as bad as they say, why did the Gov allow hundreds of protestors to gather without masks????
2. As a recent local article pointed out, the specifics of the up-tick are not explained in the reported numbers. Specifically our recent up-tick/cluster locally was mainly due to correctional facilities and several nursing homes that are all very close to each other!
3. Perpetually regurgitating the hype based on faulty numbers/facts actually causes many people undue stress which is also very unhealthy...
Lastly, NONE of the doom and gloom predictions even came close, this is why many of us have a problem with the "cry wolf" mentality!
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rdoctor, Sat Jun 20 2020, 11:01AM
Well put Squatch. Along those same thoughts, the California Department of Health put Riverside County on a "Watch List" for a small increase in reported cases. [Click Here] This supports exactly what we've been saying all along. The numbers and reactions to the numbers are being manipulated to create fear.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 21 2020, 09:35AM
Are you still boycotting shopping locally, rdoctor or have you cut out shopping altogether, because you won't don a mask?
Looting keeps being referenced in several threads, maybe I should watch more news, but I though it was a couple instances early on at the start of the protests.
Is looting still taking place?
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MtMan, Sun Jun 21 2020, 01:04PM
Couple of instances? Really? Here is a short list of cities that have been looted: New York City, Minneapolis, Bostin, Portland, Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Albuquerque, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington DC, and so many more, yet you call it "a couple instances". Don't forget currently in Seattle. Yes, maybe you should watch more news.
Sheesh.
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cricket, Sun Jun 21 2020, 04:07PM
MtMan wrote ...
Couple of instances? Really? Here is a short list of cities that have been looted: New York City, Minneapolis, Bostin, Portland, Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Albuquerque, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington DC, and so many more, yet you call it "a couple instances". Don't forget currently in Seattle. Yes, maybe you should watch more news.
Sheesh.
Couple of instances? Really? Here is a short list of cities that have been looted: New York City, Minneapolis, Bostin, Portland, Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Albuquerque, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington DC, and so many more, yet you call it "a couple instances". Don't forget currently in Seattle. Yes, maybe you should watch more news.
Sheesh.
You can add to that list San Bernardino, Highland , and Redlands. Two weeks ago they decimated the Verizon and ATT store down the hill and had to board up and close the Wal-Mart. All at the bottom of the hill.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 21 2020, 04:49PM
(Where is this 'Bostin'? j/k)
MtMan wrote ...
Couple of instances? Really? Here is a short list of cities that have been looted: New York City, Minneapolis, Bostin, Portland, Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Albuquerque, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington DC, and so many more, yet you call it "a couple instances". Don't forget currently in Seattle. Yes, maybe you should watch more news.
Sheesh.
Couple of instances? Really? Here is a short list of cities that have been looted: New York City, Minneapolis, Bostin, Portland, Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Albuquerque, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington DC, and so many more, yet you call it "a couple instances". Don't forget currently in Seattle. Yes, maybe you should watch more news.
Sheesh.
I totally admitted to NOT watching the news much. And I did ask is looting still going on...
Why would you need to rip into me like I'm stupid? Back off spaz.
Sheesh yo'self and thank you for the enlightenment. Some of us work 10-16 hour days so we don't have to call a contractor or go to a mechanic. It was a fair question I had.
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MtMan, Sun Jun 21 2020, 10:06PM
I pointed out the error of your statement that only a couple of instances of looting took place. Yes, you were wrong, I did not rip into you, again simply pointing out that you were wrong. If you can't take anyone pointing out your error then maybe you should check your facts first before posting untruths. By the way, you were not asking a question on that point of "a couple of instances". You made a statement without any factual basis. Oh, thanks for the name calling, I can take it for sure but I won't be stoop down to your level by calling you immature names. You are welcome for the enlightenment.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 21 2020, 10:21PM
I should have been more clear. A couple locally. I knew it was happening across the US & world.
Is looting still taking place?
Was the original question. Not protests or dropping down statues.
So all those cities you both listed are still being looted? I didn't ask for the 2 dozen from mostly 2 weeks ago.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jun 21 2020, 10:30PM
So did you answer the simple question or dramatize it? Has the looting slowed down, almost stopped? Everything I Google has older dates...
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MtMan, Sun Jun 21 2020, 11:18PM
Again, I was commenting on your ridiculous statement that there was only a couple of looting instances. I was not responding to your question of looting still going on. Was I not clear enough for you, do I need to continue to explain this to you?
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Squatch, Mon Jun 22 2020, 08:53AM
Guys, let`s pool our energy and direct it at all of the b.s. decisions and mandates we`re being put through, not each other...
We`ve got to work together to try and save what`s left of the way of life we know, if we fail the consequences are catastrophic!
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Jun 22 2020, 10:31AM
I've already admitted to the word couple, was too broad a generalization. Human nature. Should have used 'few' & 'locally'.
It was a simple question that was at hand.
Nobody on this forum needs to be subject to this, ridicule, all the while a main question goes unanswered.
Stay on topic.
Why couldn't MtnMan just state: COUPLE? about 2 dozen worldwide. I'd claim error, like I did. I touched/defended on my unfounded/opinionated word. We don't need to be subjected to some drawn out, off-topic bs.
The 1st sign of attack is to discredit.
Then to steer away from the subject matter
Next is to repeat yourself and finally speak as one would to a child.
I've found my answer, googling. Thx for the headache.
Call it amends? Drop it? You were correct. But the level you took it to, was a waste of energy.
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Squatch, Mon Jun 22 2020, 07:05PM
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Airport Razz, Mon Jun 22 2020, 08:37PM
I'm wondering if there is a breakdown or a study or just numbers about those that have both begen infected with CV19 and those that have died from it. I would imagine the bulk would be first line medical workers but it would be interesting to find out what other types of people and professions have been affected by it.
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Deb Doodah, Mon Jun 22 2020, 08:58PM
Hey Razz - I have found the website below has a lot of information regarding COVID cases throughout the world. It can be whittled down to the state and county and then links to county websites. Your post made me think that they might have a breakdown by occupation, but they don’t.
[Click Here]
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 23 2020, 03:08PM
649 new cases today.
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ArchJohn, Tue Jun 23 2020, 03:27PM
The death rate on the County website shows it to be leveling off, and the time to double is slowly increasing so potentially good news there.
[Click Here]
John
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QuantumBear, Tue Jun 23 2020, 03:54PM
ArchJohn wrote ...
The death rate on the County website shows it to be leveling off, and the time to double is slowly increasing so potentially good news there.
[Click Here]
John
The death rate on the County website shows it to be leveling off, and the time to double is slowly increasing so potentially good news there.
[Click Here]
John
Oh yeah, the outlook is just peaches.
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rsbruce, Tue Jun 23 2020, 07:23PM
This was probably answered before but I missed it
In there a way to see in the county stats the following:
How many viral tests conducted versus how many pos and neg?
How many antibody tests conducted versus how many pos and neg?
I am sorry to poke again on this, but I have not seen that breakdown.
This breakdown is important to me to identify the impact on the community since I am now "out" in the community and dealing with mask-less peeps.
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QuantumBear, Wed Jun 24 2020, 07:09AM
Are the hard headed ready to wear masks yet ?
Can't believe a virus has turned into a political issue, United States ?? Sad.
Just so you all know, I'm a socialist. Responsible Anarchy of the Social States of America.
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jun 24 2020, 10:29AM
QuantumBear wrote ...
Are the hard headed ready to wear masks yet ?
Can't believe a virus has turned into a political issue, United States ?? Sad.
Just so you all know, I'm a socialist. Responsible Anarchy of the Social States of America.
Are the hard headed ready to wear masks yet ?
Can't believe a virus has turned into a political issue, United States ?? Sad.
Just so you all know, I'm a socialist. Responsible Anarchy of the Social States of America.
Head over to the Political Forum....
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Nature, Wed Jun 24 2020, 10:46AM
Quantum.
No they are called hard headed for a reason. If all this were BS, the scientists of the world wouldn’t be reporting otherwise. I respect these scientists as their job is to try to help keep people safe. Wearing a cloth mask is considerate and respectful to others. N-95 masks are proven to keep people safe from those who refuse to participate in scientifically proven methods of preventing transmission to the more vulnerable population. Almost everyone is out and about doing daily necessities. Non-mask wearers should at least have the decency to respect the space of mask wearers. I’m learning, personally, some can’t even do that. Once again “our” country is divided. It’s okay to agree to disagree and still work together.
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Squatch, Wed Jun 24 2020, 11:28AM
After practically predicting "the end of the world" the scientists have FLIP FLOPPED so many times on this and the fact that the world didn`t end (didn`t even come remotely close to their predictions) and numbers based on hugely flawed data, yeah, many of us call b.s.
If you research the facts behind the numbers (correction facilities, nursing homes, etc) instead of regurgitating just numbers you would have a true understanding of whats really going on!
Yes the numbers are up, one would expect this with the huge increase in testing but again, look behind the numbers for the true picture.
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jun 24 2020, 01:21PM
Psssst most "scientists" get additional funding when there is a pandemic. Wonder what their motivation is...
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Airport Razz, Wed Jun 24 2020, 01:44PM
Also keep in mind that these are the same 'scientists' that keep telling us that eggs and coffee are bad one year and next year all is good, pig out and drink your sleepy time away. If they can't get something so simple, mundane and part of pretty much everyone's life right by at least the 3rd time, how can we trust them on these issues? Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Each to their own. But if on the side of non-mask, don't go walking into a place that requires such and make a spectacle of must how much of a 'putz' one can be when exercising one's 'rights'. I recall a video of an elderly man pushing his way into a WalMart yesterday, probably injuring himself in the process......to what end. He got to go through the store at one point, people shunning him with more than 6ft SD, and get whatever it was that was so important but they wouldn't check him out with the stuff so he ended up with nothing in the end, but his rant has been etched into millions of lives now. He told the manager he was leaving with the stuff if they woudn't check him out and answer was go ahead. The police wont enforce the mask ruling but they will certainly enforce a shoplifing charge. He went out empty handed. Not like they were asking him to put on a hazmat suit, walk through a decontamination station and still only be able to walk out with 1 package of TP. It's only a mask for a few minutes. Of course, those non-maskers are welcome to not enter the place of business I am quite sure. Keep looking, there are business owners of the same mind set out there that will be happy to help the non-mask group. Just not sure which group is on the 'winning' side at this point??
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SSJ2012, Wed Jun 24 2020, 02:55PM
So, I’ve had the same doctor for over 10years, he’s partnered with 2 other doctors in practice and employees 4 nurse practitioners. 20 people I know use the practice. Personally, I listen to my doctor over any so called media experts, politicians and/or internet wisemen.
They called to warned me back in March, I’m considered an at risk person, advised us how we should take precautions which contradict a few government recommendations. My last appointment, I asked about 4th of July, was told to have fun, but use common sense, since people still don’t know how to wash their hands.
Personally I won’t wear a mask, so I don’t go out, don’t need to plus I hate crowds. We get take out, phone order building supplies from butcher’s for delivery, wife does Costco runs, daughter goes to market.
What I’m getting at everyone is right and wrong. Federally, they couldn’t make a right turn together cause they’re so divided, so that’s a wash. California can’t run the DMV along with many other agencies, so how can I believe they know what they’re doing to handle this. County of San Bernardino only knows how to collect money, they’re clueless. Media uses “experts” like government uses consultants and they’re only in for the money.
So I depend on my doctor to recommend what’s best for my health just like I trust my mechanic to give recommendations on what best for car. Then it’s all up to me to choose to follow their recommendations.
Re: virus pandemonia
rdoctor, Fri Jun 26 2020, 05:16AM
Here's how COVID-19 numbers are being inflated in Riverside County and statewide. You're going to be talking about this video for quite some time. [Click Here]
Re: virus pandemonia
wisteria1, Fri Jun 26 2020, 06:48AM
RSBruce, "In there a way to see in the county stats the following:How many viral tests conducted versus how many pos and neg?How many antibody tests conducted versus how many pos and neg?"
At the bottom of the County Dashboard is a row of tiny subsections like "demographics" and "testing" etc. You will find your info there.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 26 2020, 12:25PM
rdoctor wrote ...
Here's how COVID-19 numbers are being inflated in Riverside County and statewide. You're going to be talking about this video for quite some time. [Click Here]
Here's how COVID-19 numbers are being inflated in Riverside County and statewide. You're going to be talking about this video for quite some time. [Click Here]
Riverside County coronavirus hospitalizations drop for 2nd straight day; 237 cases added
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PUBLISHED: June 25, 2020 at 3:43 p.m. | UPDATED: June 26, 2020 at 12:38 a.m.
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Riverside County hospitalizations from the novel coronavirus fell for the second straight day as 237 new cases and three more deaths were posted Thursday, June 25, on the county public health website.
In a sign of improvement, the county Thursday afternoon no longer exceeded a state threshold for COVID-19 hospitalizations. The county remains on the state’s coronavirus watch list and exceeds state thresholds for coronavirus cases per 100,000 residents and the percent of COVID-19 tests that come back positive.
Countywide, there are now 15,142 cases and 435 COVID-19 deaths. The weekday public health updates typically include diagnoses and deaths that happened over a span of days and it takes time for that information to reach the public health department.
Hospitalizations fell by three from Wednesday to 311, with 95 of those patients in intensive care, up three from the day before. The county set new highs in hospitalizations for four straight days, a streak that started last week.
Ten COVID-19 patients hospitalized in Riverside County are from Imperial County, which sends patients north under a statewide mutual-aid agreement for emergency services. The Imperial County patients are not counted among the county’s case totals.
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Officially, 7,272 in Riverside County have recovered from the virus, up 1.6% from Wednesday. Official recoveries are defined as infected residents who are no longer in isolation, show no symptoms and have had their public health cases closed.
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More than 201,000 COVID-19 tests have been conducted in the county, up almost 3% from Wednesday.
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Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Fri Jun 26 2020, 03:02PM
512 new cases today total.
Hospital census continues it's climb.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 26 2020, 06:01PM
26-Jun
big bear city 3
big bear lake 8
crestline 19
rim ofrest 1
runnig springs 6
11290
19.3days
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri Jun 26 2020, 08:23PM
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 19
(23.6 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, June 26
Rimforest
(Population 762)
Confirmed cases: 1
(13.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, June 26
Blue Jay
(Population 903)
Confirmed cases: 0
(0.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 1
(11.07 per 10,000 residen
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 6
(12.8 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 8
(15.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 resident
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 3
(2.8 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, June 26
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 19
(23.6 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, June 26
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Sun Jun 28 2020, 08:29AM
County dashboard.
Last Update: 6/26/2020, 12:00:00 AM
Next update should be juicy.
Re: virus pandemonia
Jellylorum, Sun Jun 28 2020, 09:33AM
The SBCO Covid-19 Hospitalization chart was last updated at 12:00 am on 6-23-20. That day's data was what had Arrowhead Hospital's Dr. Pennington concerned during the press conference a few days ago. I wonder what might be revealed once they release updated stats for that measurement.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Mon Jun 29 2020, 05:14AM
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 4
(3.7 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Sunday, June 28
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 8
(15.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Sunday, June 28
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 6
(12.8 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Sunday, June 28
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Mon Jun 29 2020, 09:52AM
Again, the numbers don`t reflect the true facts...
example: BBL pop 5,247 shows 8 cases (15.2 per 10k) due to the fact that many, many part timers are living up here right now, not to mention renters, the point being the actual average case per 10k???? NOT!
8 cases divided by 5247 =.0015%
The REAL AVERAGE is a blip on the radar compared to what`s being reported!!!! Our view is of the south shore in BBL, every night the shoreline is lit up like it`s a holiday weekend, hmmmm, do the "numbers mention any of this? No!
Btw, zero deaths in Big Bear Valley, so scary!
As one can see, the data is unreliable and reflects hugely exaggerated numbers, hey how about the spikes in San Diego, Riverside, San Berdo due to a major influx of cases from Mexico! The numbers don`t tell you that either!
The moral of the story, regurgitating numbers without researching and including the facts is adding to the hype and is hugely inaccurate!
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Mon Jun 29 2020, 10:08AM
so is the problem with the bean counters, the beans that are being counted, or or are other things being counted in with the beans??
Re: virus pandemonia
ButlerPeakFire, Mon Jun 29 2020, 10:58AM
Also kinda interesting that while the COVID numbers go up ALL other causes of death are seeing drastic declines....seems fishy.
Re: virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Mon Jun 29 2020, 01:45PM
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
Also kinda interesting that while the COVID numbers go up ALL other causes of death are seeing drastic declines....seems fishy.
Also kinda interesting that while the COVID numbers go up ALL other causes of death are seeing drastic declines....seems fishy.
If a patient was admitted to the hospital suffering from a heart attack/stroke, etc. and the patient tests positive for COVID-19, they get listed as "hospitalized with COVID-19". Not entirely accurate but not untrue.
Unless there is a record that clarifies the true reason for the visit and treatment, the statistics will be misleading.
Re: virus pandemonia
MrOwl, Mon Jun 29 2020, 01:54PM
They need to separate the died "from Covid" or "with Covid". False statistics are not helpful.
Re: virus pandemonia
SSJ2012, Mon Jun 29 2020, 02:02PM
Here’s what I want the government numbers to show,
A) when they tested
B) number of active cases
C) percentage of those who test positive showing symptoms and aren’t showing symptoms
On June 23, a large portion of the increase in numbers was a backlog, and the fact many people are now getting test who show no symptoms. Personally the testing process ran by health departments is a huge joke. Big Bear doesn’t have a regular testing site that I know of, and some residents don’t have the means to travel to off mountain facilities.
On a joking side, if we rename the 4th of July Firework show to the 4th of July Protests, we should get the governor’s blessing and everyone will be safe from virus.
Re: virus pandemonia
ButlerPeakFire, Mon Jun 29 2020, 02:21PM
NShore.Allen wrote ...
If a patient was admitted to the hospital suffering from a heart attack/stroke, etc. and the patient tests positive for COVID-19, they get listed as "hospitalized with COVID-19". Not entirely accurate but not untrue.
Unless there is a record that clarifies the true reason for the visit and treatment, the statistics will be misleading.
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
Also kinda interesting that while the COVID numbers go up ALL other causes of death are seeing drastic declines....seems fishy.
Also kinda interesting that while the COVID numbers go up ALL other causes of death are seeing drastic declines....seems fishy.
If a patient was admitted to the hospital suffering from a heart attack/stroke, etc. and the patient tests positive for COVID-19, they get listed as "hospitalized with COVID-19". Not entirely accurate but not untrue.
Unless there is a record that clarifies the true reason for the visit and treatment, the statistics will be misleading.
Again alot of hospitals seem to be doing this due to the financial kick backs as well....
I agree with Owl... They need to separate the numbers, otherwise we are getting a completely inaccurate view of the situation.
Additionally, from my own personal experience with my Grandfather, if someone tests positive for COVID but dies from another cause they still call it a COVID death. This is a gross misrepresentation of the actual Infected Fatality Rate of this virus...(which is still way below .05%)
Re: virus pandemonia
Nature, Mon Jun 29 2020, 03:52PM
So many people want none of this to be true. They want to find every way possible to negate the facts. If you get shot and bleed out you don’t die because your heart stopped due to lack of blood. You die because you were shot. If your house is on fire and your lungs fill up the smoke and you can’t breathe, you don’t die because your lungs gave out, you die because of the fire. People have strokes due to traumatic accidents. They don’t die because of the stroke they die because of the accident. None of those people had pre-existing conditions. When a pre-existing conditions, that can kill you, is made 100% worse because of a virus, you don’t die from that pre-existing condition, you die because you got the virus. Otherwise you would still be alive. The fact is anyone with and even without a pre-existing condition can get this virus and die or give it to someone who “can” die from it. Take away death. The hospital bill alone might kill you. One bill that was brought to out attention was 1.1 Million dollars from a few weeks stay. I wouldn’t want the virus or the bill. So what about all this back-and-forth how about we just be considerate of others by doing what all the doctors, public officials and scientists are “asking” us to do to save lives , across the entire globe, until we have a vaccine or know, via testing, we have already had it.
Re: virus pandemonia
NShore.Allen, Mon Jun 29 2020, 05:00PM
Nature wrote ...
... The hospital bill alone might kill you.
... The hospital bill alone might kill you.
yep.
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Mon Jun 29 2020, 05:04PM
Nature, THE TRUTH is what many of us are demanding, NOT BOGUS NUMBERS based on crap data!
You can believe what you want to believe despite all of the examples we have brought to light that are contrary to the "reported numbers!"
The problem is, bad decisions that affect our daily lives are being made based on flip flopping medical experts and "flawed numbers!"
Another point, the health officials are suggesting not to open up the country until a vaccine is developed, current flu vaccines are only about 40% effective, at the most!
Big Bear "Valley" has 12 reported cases, NO DEATHS despite a large previous holiday and higher than average visitors ever since.
The number of deaths falsely attributed to covid are unacceptable, these false reports have completely corrupted the data pool, again the facts behind the numbers matter!!!!
Re: virus pandemonia
MrOwl, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:17PM
Still waiting for the mers and sars vaccines so I can get out of the house.
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:33PM
Keep talking.
Update #78
COVID-19 Emergency
June 29, 2020 - 6:00 pm
2 New Cases Reported in Unincorporated Areas
City Has Not Yet Received Aggregate Test Result Data from June 19 Testing Event
City Closely Monitoring County Hospitalization Data
Governor Recommends Closure of Bars in San Bernardino County, Decision Expected from County on Tuesday
PLEASE WEAR YOUR FACE COVERINGS!
Keep Us OPEN!
Re: virus pandemonia
Polar 🌌rbit, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:51PM
Get over it. People are done with statistics,
Re: virus pandemonia
Cornbread, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:52PM
Here is a article from Ron Paul on how the media is lying about the 2nd wave.
For months, the Washington Post and the rest of the mainstream media kept a morbid Covid-19 “death count” on their front pages and at the top of their news broadcasts. The coronavirus outbreak was all about the number of dead. The narrative was intended to boost governors like Cuomo in New York and Whitmer in Michigan, who turned their states authoritarian under the false notion that destroying people’s jobs, freedom, and lives would somehow keep a virus from doing what viruses always do: spread through a population until eventually losing strength and dying out.
The “death count” was always the headline.
But then all of a sudden early in June the mainstream media did a George Orwell and lectured us that it is all about “cases” and has always been all about “cases.” Death, and especially infection fatality rate, were irrelevant. Why? Because from the peak in April, deaths had decreased by 90 percent and were continuing to crash. That was not terrifying enough so the media pretended this good news did not exist.
With massive increases in testing, the “case” numbers climbed. This is not rocket science: the more people you test the more “cases” you discover.
Unfortunately our mainstream media is only interested in pushing the “party line.” So the good news that millions more have been exposed while the fatality rate continues to decline - meaning the virus is getting weaker - is buried under hysterical false reporting of “new cases.”
Unfortunately many governors, including our own here in Texas, are incapable of resisting the endless lies of the mainstream media. They are putting Americans again through the nightmare of forced business closures, mandated face masks, and restrictions of Constitutional liberties based on false propaganda.
In Texas the “second wave” propaganda has gotten so bad that the leaders of the four major hospitals in Houston took the extraordinary step late last week of holding a joint press conference to clarify that the scare stories of Houston hospitals being overwhelmed with Covid cases are simply untrue. Dr. Marc Boom of Houston Methodist said the reporting on hospital capacity is misleading. He said, “quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now.”
In fact, there has been much reporting that the “spike” in Texas cases is not due to a resurgence of the virus but to hospital practices of Covid-testing every patient coming in for any procedure at all. If it’s a positive, well that counts as a “Covid hospitalization.” Why would hospitals be so dishonest in their diagnoses? Billions of appropriated Federal dollars are being funneled to facilities based on the number of “Covid cases” they can produce. As I’ve always said, if you subsidize something you get more of it. And that’s why we are getting more Covid cases.
Let’s go back to the original measurements used to scare Americans into giving up their Constitutional liberties: the daily death numbers. Even though we know hospitals have falsely attributed countless deaths to “Covid-19” that were deaths WITH instead of FROM the virus, we are seeing actual deaths steadily declining over the past month and a half. Declining deaths are not a great way to push the “second wave” propaganda, so the media and politicians have moved the goal posts and decided that only “cases” are important. It’s another big lie.
Resist propaganda and defend your liberty. That is the only way we’ll get through this.
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Mon Jun 29 2020, 06:55PM
OK, administrators still a tad touchy. I'll try posing my questions here.
Ok, local count has risen again. What I would like to know is what profession are these current victims are in, were they infected up here are down the hill, are they out in the masses on the weekend. Just WHAT should we be avoiding and staying away from other than everything and everybody. Would be nice to know before I or my guys go waking into another repair job. Thought that was a fairly non political, non-critical, just want to know question. I'll go back in my hole seeing as this is just TOO much for some to read.
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Mon Jun 29 2020, 08:55PM
A lot seem to think it's a media hoax. Just do your normal preps man.
Re: virus pandemonia
Nature, Mon Jun 29 2020, 09:27PM
Mr Owl-Funny! 🤣
Airport-I agree! Where did the infected get it?
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Mon Jun 29 2020, 10:23PM
Thinking that with the number of people I poked with my original post and thar it disappeared into nothingness, there is an outside chance that the powers that be might not want that info made public. Like what if last 2-3 infections were locals and was exposed by........ Yes, I'm going to say it..... One of the down the hill crowd that is now allowed up here with 'open' arms even though the valley is not prepared for it. That would imply responsibility by the powers that be and that person might be well intended to hire one of the virus ambulance chasers on TV and go after those powers that be for endangering those peoples lives. Hmmmmmmm. I've seen lesser actions dictate millions in legal settlementd.
Re: virus pandemonia
Airport Razz, Mon Jun 29 2020, 10:26PM
Or they got it through one of the businesses currently not putting their 'best' foot forward
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue Jun 30 2020, 06:55AM
The Valley picked up another 1 covid case now at 13 Confirmed cases around us.
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 5
(4.6 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 8
(15.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 20
(24.9 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Blue Jay
(Population 903)
Confirmed cases: 0
(0.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 1
(11.07 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Rimforest
(Population 762)
Confirmed cases: 1
(13.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 7
(15.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 07:03AM
Polar 🌌rbit wrote ...
Get over it. People are done with statistics,
Get over it. People are done with statistics,
Keep talking.
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 07:14AM
Cornbread wrote ...
Here is a article from Ron Paul on how the media is lying about the 2nd wave.
For months, the Washington Post and the rest of the mainstream media kept a morbid Covid-19 “death count” on their front pages and at the top of their news broadcasts. The coronavirus outbreak was all about the number of dead. The narrative was intended to boost governors like Cuomo in New York and Whitmer in Michigan, who turned their states authoritarian under the false notion that destroying people’s jobs, freedom, and lives would somehow keep a virus from doing what viruses always do: spread through a population until eventually losing strength and dying out.
The “death count” was always the headline.
But then all of a sudden early in June the mainstream media did a George Orwell and lectured us that it is all about “cases” and has always been all about “cases.” Death, and especially infection fatality rate, were irrelevant. Why? Because from the peak in April, deaths had decreased by 90 percent and were continuing to crash. That was not terrifying enough so the media pretended this good news did not exist.
With massive increases in testing, the “case” numbers climbed. This is not rocket science: the more people you test the more “cases” you discover.
Unfortunately our mainstream media is only interested in pushing the “party line.” So the good news that millions more have been exposed while the fatality rate continues to decline - meaning the virus is getting weaker - is buried under hysterical false reporting of “new cases.”
Unfortunately many governors, including our own here in Texas, are incapable of resisting the endless lies of the mainstream media. They are putting Americans again through the nightmare of forced business closures, mandated face masks, and restrictions of Constitutional liberties based on false propaganda.
In Texas the “second wave” propaganda has gotten so bad that the leaders of the four major hospitals in Houston took the extraordinary step late last week of holding a joint press conference to clarify that the scare stories of Houston hospitals being overwhelmed with Covid cases are simply untrue. Dr. Marc Boom of Houston Methodist said the reporting on hospital capacity is misleading. He said, “quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now.”
In fact, there has been much reporting that the “spike” in Texas cases is not due to a resurgence of the virus but to hospital practices of Covid-testing every patient coming in for any procedure at all. If it’s a positive, well that counts as a “Covid hospitalization.” Why would hospitals be so dishonest in their diagnoses? Billions of appropriated Federal dollars are being funneled to facilities based on the number of “Covid cases” they can produce. As I’ve always said, if you subsidize something you get more of it. And that’s why we are getting more Covid cases.
Let’s go back to the original measurements used to scare Americans into giving up their Constitutional liberties: the daily death numbers. Even though we know hospitals have falsely attributed countless deaths to “Covid-19” that were deaths WITH instead of FROM the virus, we are seeing actual deaths steadily declining over the past month and a half. Declining deaths are not a great way to push the “second wave” propaganda, so the media and politicians have moved the goal posts and decided that only “cases” are important. It’s another big lie.
Resist propaganda and defend your liberty. That is the only way we’ll get through this.
Here is a article from Ron Paul on how the media is lying about the 2nd wave.
For months, the Washington Post and the rest of the mainstream media kept a morbid Covid-19 “death count” on their front pages and at the top of their news broadcasts. The coronavirus outbreak was all about the number of dead. The narrative was intended to boost governors like Cuomo in New York and Whitmer in Michigan, who turned their states authoritarian under the false notion that destroying people’s jobs, freedom, and lives would somehow keep a virus from doing what viruses always do: spread through a population until eventually losing strength and dying out.
The “death count” was always the headline.
But then all of a sudden early in June the mainstream media did a George Orwell and lectured us that it is all about “cases” and has always been all about “cases.” Death, and especially infection fatality rate, were irrelevant. Why? Because from the peak in April, deaths had decreased by 90 percent and were continuing to crash. That was not terrifying enough so the media pretended this good news did not exist.
With massive increases in testing, the “case” numbers climbed. This is not rocket science: the more people you test the more “cases” you discover.
Unfortunately our mainstream media is only interested in pushing the “party line.” So the good news that millions more have been exposed while the fatality rate continues to decline - meaning the virus is getting weaker - is buried under hysterical false reporting of “new cases.”
Unfortunately many governors, including our own here in Texas, are incapable of resisting the endless lies of the mainstream media. They are putting Americans again through the nightmare of forced business closures, mandated face masks, and restrictions of Constitutional liberties based on false propaganda.
In Texas the “second wave” propaganda has gotten so bad that the leaders of the four major hospitals in Houston took the extraordinary step late last week of holding a joint press conference to clarify that the scare stories of Houston hospitals being overwhelmed with Covid cases are simply untrue. Dr. Marc Boom of Houston Methodist said the reporting on hospital capacity is misleading. He said, “quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now.”
In fact, there has been much reporting that the “spike” in Texas cases is not due to a resurgence of the virus but to hospital practices of Covid-testing every patient coming in for any procedure at all. If it’s a positive, well that counts as a “Covid hospitalization.” Why would hospitals be so dishonest in their diagnoses? Billions of appropriated Federal dollars are being funneled to facilities based on the number of “Covid cases” they can produce. As I’ve always said, if you subsidize something you get more of it. And that’s why we are getting more Covid cases.
Let’s go back to the original measurements used to scare Americans into giving up their Constitutional liberties: the daily death numbers. Even though we know hospitals have falsely attributed countless deaths to “Covid-19” that were deaths WITH instead of FROM the virus, we are seeing actual deaths steadily declining over the past month and a half. Declining deaths are not a great way to push the “second wave” propaganda, so the media and politicians have moved the goal posts and decided that only “cases” are important. It’s another big lie.
Resist propaganda and defend your liberty. That is the only way we’ll get through this.
Duder, this is still the first wave.
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Tue Jun 30 2020, 08:07AM
1 new case, oh the calamity, the world is going to end!!!
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue Jun 30 2020, 09:20AM
Airport Razz wrote ...
OK, administrators still a tad touchy. I'll try posing my questions here.
Ok, local count has risen again. What I would like to know is what profession are these current victims are in, were they infected up here are down the hill, are they out in the masses on the weekend. Just WHAT should we be avoiding and staying away from other than everything and everybody. Would be nice to know before I or my guys go waking into another repair job. Thought that was a fairly non political, non-critical, just want to know question. I'll go back in my hole seeing as this is just TOO much for some to read.
OK, administrators still a tad touchy. I'll try posing my questions here.
Ok, local count has risen again. What I would like to know is what profession are these current victims are in, were they infected up here are down the hill, are they out in the masses on the weekend. Just WHAT should we be avoiding and staying away from other than everything and everybody. Would be nice to know before I or my guys go waking into another repair job. Thought that was a fairly non political, non-critical, just want to know question. I'll go back in my hole seeing as this is just TOO much for some to read.
Yes Razz the area of infections would be nice to know and avoid. These are probably the wake from the Memorial Day Blast off
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue Jun 30 2020, 10:33AM
June 29, 2020 - 6:00 pm
2 New Cases Reported in Unincorporated Areas
City Has Not Yet Received Aggregate Test Result Data from June 19 Testing Event
City Closely Monitoring County Hospitalization Data
Governor Recommends Closure of Bars in San Bernardino County, Decision Expected from County on Tuesday
PLEASE WEAR YOUR FACE COVERINGS!
Keep Us OPEN!
FREE COVID-19 Testing Readily Available in San Bernardino County - No Symptoms Required
July 4 Fireworks Show is Still On
Personal Fireworks Are Illegal!
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 02:52PM
Big Bear City* 6
Big Bear Lake 9
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 02:56PM
Did you see today's dashboard update ?
[Click Here]
Didn't some idiot use the term fuzzy math ?
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 04:06PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
1 new case, oh the calamity, the world is going to end!!!
1 new case, oh the calamity, the world is going to end!!!
Re: virus pandemonia
cricket, Tue Jun 30 2020, 04:42PM
QuantumBear wrote ...
SQUATCH wrote ...
1 new case, oh the calamity, the world is going to end!!!
1 new case, oh the calamity, the world is going to end!!!
It certainly may end for that person and anyone they infected before they knew they were sick. You really shouldnt joke about things like this.
Re: virus pandemonia
Jellylorum, Tue Jun 30 2020, 06:21PM
The numbers to really pay attention to, are the daily Covid hospitalizations and daily Covid ICU numbers. They are significantly higher than ever before, and rising notably. The desktop version of the dashboard has graphs and much more data than is available on the mobile version.
[Click Here]
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Tue Jun 30 2020, 08:26PM
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Tue Jun 30 2020, 09:31PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
OH YEAH !
Re: virus pandemonia
Socalman, Tue Jun 30 2020, 10:01PM
I originally posted the following in chat, but thought it should be here.
So, let me see if I understand. Of the 211 people tested, LESS than 1% tested positive for covid-19. Based on that, the county is considering banning the fireworks show? What if we were to test 200 drivers after 9:00 pm on any given night and we found even 2% were DUI. Would it make sense to ban all driving after 9:00 pm?
Re: virus pandemonia
ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jul 01 2020, 06:30AM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
I saw a video of a nurse claiming they are using the life flight helicopters to transport illegal immigrants from southern hospitals to Riverside....all during the middle of the night
Seems pretty odd to me.
Re: virus pandemonia
wisteria1, Wed Jul 01 2020, 06:46AM
Just a quick FYI (and answer to a question I posed a few weeks ago), I finally read one of the press releases and for whatever reason they appear to be including everyone from Green Valley Lake (including Arrowhead) to Cedarpines Park as "Crestline" (which skews the population in these computations closer to 25,000, not 8042)
"Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 20
(24.9 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29"
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Wed Jul 01 2020, 07:01AM
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
I saw a video of a nurse claiming they are using the life flight helicopters to transport illegal immigrants from southern hospitals to Riverside....all during the middle of the night
Seems pretty odd to me.
SQUATCH wrote ...
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
I saw a video of a nurse claiming they are using the life flight helicopters to transport illegal immigrants from southern hospitals to Riverside....all during the middle of the night
Seems pretty odd to me.
Is the valve of human life determined by what country one was born in ?
We're American's with lots of resources.
Don't fire up the chopper, just let them die.
Labor and fuel is more valuable.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Wed Jul 01 2020, 07:21AM
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 21
(26.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Blue Jay
(Population 903)
Confirmed cases: 0
(0.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 1
(11.07 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Rimforest
(Population 762)
Confirmed cases: 1
(13.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 7
(15.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 9
(17.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 6
(5.5 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Tuesday, June 30
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Wed Jul 01 2020, 07:26AM
wisteria1 wrote ...
Just a quick FYI (and answer to a question I posed a few weeks ago), I finally read one of the press releases and for whatever reason they appear to be including everyone from Green Valley Lake (including Arrowhead) to Cedarpines Park as "Crestline" (which skews the population in these computations closer to 25,000, not 8042)
"Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 20
(24.9 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29"
Just a quick FYI (and answer to a question I posed a few weeks ago), I finally read one of the press releases and for whatever reason they appear to be including everyone from Green Valley Lake (including Arrowhead) to Cedarpines Park as "Crestline" (which skews the population in these computations closer to 25,000, not 8042)
"Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 20
(24.9 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Monday, June 29"
[Click Here]
Deaths by Location of Residence The total number of deaths from COVID-19 complications, broken down by the reported location or residence of the patient. Please note that residents of facilities where outbreaks have occurred are reported as residents of the location where the facilities are located.
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Wed Jul 01 2020, 08:38AM
QuantumBear wrote ...
Is the valve of human life determined by what country one was born in ?
We're American's with lots of resources.
Don't fire up the chopper, just let them die.
Labor and fuel is more valuable.
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
I saw a video of a nurse claiming they are using the life flight helicopters to transport illegal immigrants from southern hospitals to Riverside....all during the middle of the night
Seems pretty odd to me.
SQUATCH wrote ...
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
I saw a video of a nurse claiming they are using the life flight helicopters to transport illegal immigrants from southern hospitals to Riverside....all during the middle of the night
Seems pretty odd to me.
Is the valve of human life determined by what country one was born in ?
We're American's with lots of resources.
Don't fire up the chopper, just let them die.
Labor and fuel is more valuable.
DIVERSIONARY TACTIC DENIED!
Your post is completely out of context, the subject is what is causing the spikes of covid in our county!!!!
If the cases are not local then they should NOT be included in the numbers for our county as this greatly skews/pumps the up the numbers! This causes people like yourself to perpetuate the HYPE based on this flawed data!
This type of SPIN is exactly why "the facts" matter so much, misrepresentation of the truth is running rampant!
Btw, I never said any of the above, more spin and hype as usual!!!
Re: virus pandemonia
ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jul 01 2020, 10:16AM
QuantumBear wrote ...
Is the valve of human life determined by what country one was born in ?
We're American's with lots of resources.
Don't fire up the chopper, just let them die.
Labor and fuel is more valuable.
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
I saw a video of a nurse claiming they are using the life flight helicopters to transport illegal immigrants from southern hospitals to Riverside....all during the middle of the night
Seems pretty odd to me.
SQUATCH wrote ...
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
Koolaid, the sports drink of Sheeple!
Next thing you know they`ll tout the greatness of Jim Jones...
Obviously there is no cure, wait, maybe they`ll create a vaccine! NOT!
Btw, how many of those new hospitalizations are coming in from Imperial county via Mexico..
The "numbers" aren`t giving the perspective on what is actually causing the spike!
Regurgitating numbers without the facts behind the numbers is sheepish!
I saw a video of a nurse claiming they are using the life flight helicopters to transport illegal immigrants from southern hospitals to Riverside....all during the middle of the night
Seems pretty odd to me.
Is the valve of human life determined by what country one was born in ?
We're American's with lots of resources.
Don't fire up the chopper, just let them die.
Labor and fuel is more valuable.
You are so incredibly concerned with the spread of the virus, but you are OK with importing it from other countries now? Makes alot of sense...
Also with CA begging for Federal Aid.... I'm not sure what abundant resources you are talking about.
Socialists....always with their hands in other peoples pockets. Disgusting.
Re: virus pandemonia
Deb Doodah, Wed Jul 01 2020, 12:55PM
Guys - I am respectfully requesting AGAIN - keep the politics out of this thread.
As we have been witnessing for the last several months, not everyone agrees on the situation and how to handle it. Everyone has their own opinion and opinions are like ........., everyone has one. You are not going to change someones opinion or view of the situation by calling names and being angry.
This used to be a place I would come to have some fun, share my love for the Big Bear area, and get important information. I love my friends that I have made here on SCM but I find myself avoiding it more and more because of all the anger. I miss the fun we used to share here.
Of course, I love an occasional debate, but this is the same debate that just keeps getting nastier and nastier as the days go on. Please think before you let your fingers fly across that keyboard in an angry tirade or in an effort to bully someone into see the world through your window. No matter what our individual opinions we are still a community of people that love Big Bear!
Have a great day everyone!
Re: virus pandemonia
Jellylorum, Wed Jul 01 2020, 02:43PM
Yes, people from the border areas of Imperial and San Diego counties are being sent north for treatment. However, I haven't seen anything yet that breaks down who is and isn't a citizen.
Those areas have a lot of movement back and forth over the border. You also have a large number of migrant wokers working on the farms down there. (I lived in El Centro for awhile. Hated it.) In the Calexico/Mexicali area, American citizens live on both sides of the border. A good many people, American and Mexican, work and shop in one country, and live in a different country.
Our own county has similar issues with people in Needles and Baker going into Nevada and Arizona for medical care and shopping. (I also was one of those, when I lived in Shoshone, just north of the countyline.)
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Wed Jul 01 2020, 03:19PM
Deb Doodah, I get what you are saying but there is a double standard going on here!
If you`re going to chastise Butler and I let`s be fair about it and call out others from the other side of the debate,
it`s only fair!
Why is it ok for some to go way off topic and insinuate others don`t value human life (just one example,) that was totally uncalled for and again wasn`t even on topic!
I do my best to stay on topic (no one`s perfect) and clearly I and others feel the "back story" is very critical to properly understanding the data/numbers...
Regurgitating numbers and schooling others without first doing due diligence is irresponsible!
Re: virus pandemonia
Deb Doodah, Wed Jul 01 2020, 03:24PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Deb Doodah, I get what you are saying but there is a double standard going on here!
If you`re going to chastise Butler and I let`s be fair about it and call out others from the other side of the debate
Deb Doodah, I get what you are saying but there is a double standard going on here!
If you`re going to chastise Butler and I let`s be fair about it and call out others from the other side of the debate
I did not call anyone out specifically! All of my comments were in general to the whole group. Everyone is getting bent out of shape no matter what side of the fence they are standing on.
Re: virus pandemonia
KK, Wed Jul 01 2020, 04:16PM
Let’s go back to nakid Bar B Qing!
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Dave™, Wed Jul 01 2020, 04:17PM
Who was that, KK? My memory is slipping...
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Dave™, Wed Jul 01 2020, 04:20PM
I just remembered. Snowave. Right?
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Deb Doodah, Wed Jul 01 2020, 04:26PM
Dave™ wrote ...
I just remembered. Snowave. Right?
I just remembered. Snowave. Right?
Yep! He was a lot of fun.
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KK, Wed Jul 01 2020, 05:05PM
Dave™ wrote ...
I just remembered. Snowave. Right?
I just remembered. Snowave. Right?
Yep! Good job Dave!🍻
Re: virus pandemonia
rdoctor, Wed Jul 01 2020, 05:43PM
There is no COVID-19 second wave. The data supporting this claim is located here: [Click Here]
Re: virus pandemonia
cricket, Wed Jul 01 2020, 07:10PM
Remember coco aka cocopuffs?
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Dave™, Wed Jul 01 2020, 08:25PM
The one I still miss a lot is @llen. He loved Big Bear so much and especially his LoriAnn.
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Wed Jul 01 2020, 09:39PM
We have our own first-hand COVID-19 positive relative, her brother that has been in the hospital for 3 days so far and did self-quarantine 3 days prior being admitted. A non-smoker. If he had the 'flu', he'd be at home taking over the counter meds. Location is Huntington Beach, not in our valley.
Not meaning to debate or get anybody angry, but he was an avid believer of all this being a media hoax. This virus can infect anyone. Just be careful folks.
Re: virus pandemonia
Deb Doodah, Thu Jul 02 2020, 06:20AM
I'm sorry Doo-hickey - I hope your family member gets well quickly.
Re: virus pandemonia
KK, Thu Jul 02 2020, 06:22AM
cricket wrote ...
Remember coco aka cocopuffs?
Remember coco aka cocopuffs?
Who could forget Cocopuffs? 😀
Re: virus pandemonia
KK, Thu Jul 02 2020, 06:24AM
So sorry Doo-hickey. Hope he recovers soon!
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:06AM
Start of July 2020 accumulation of 14 in the valley
Bear City 6, Bear Lake 8, Crestline 21, Rimforest 1, Running Springs 7,
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 02 2020, 10:09AM
Thx for the wishes. They are going to start one of the experimental meds. The nurses were real hush-hush and waiting for the doctor to contact to get back to us. Pneumonia was already diagnosed. So not in Intensive Care or a ventilator, Oxygen and I.V. so far.
EDIT: They are releasing him with no O² needed, we are picking up a SoClean 2 CPAP cleaner machine and some in-home care. His girlfriend has also tested positive for C-19, being treated and self-isolating. WTH? They cannot release him unless he's 'clear' for doing so. Good news I guess, pneumonia clearing up and being treated, on his birthday 🎂 no less. Wild stuff.
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Thu Jul 02 2020, 04:39PM
cricket wrote ...
Remember coco aka cocopuffs?
Remember coco aka cocopuffs?
Ahhh yes, the good ole days. Life was much simpler even just 15 years ago!
As a side note, I do communicate with cocopuffs regularly, he is doing great and sends his love!
Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Thu Jul 02 2020, 04:41PM
Skyline Drive wrote ...
Start of July 2020 accumulation of 14 in the valley
Bear City 6, Bear Lake 8, Crestline 21, Rimforest 1, Running Springs 7,
Start of July 2020 accumulation of 14 in the valley
Bear City 6, Bear Lake 8, Crestline 21, Rimforest 1, Running Springs 7,
Thanks for le update! I think there's just 4 active cases in the valley at this time? Glad to see our numbers locally coming down overall. Hopefully no spike after the 4th, we saw nothing after the big Memorial weekend, less pray for the same this weekend! Everyone be ready for the madness, hope you did your shopping and topped off those tanks!
Re: virus pandemonia
SSJ2012, Thu Jul 02 2020, 04:56PM
Putting up decorations now that we’re stocked up. Only plan to go out Saturday morning to deliver thank you items. Other then that, we just going have small bbq. I also Discovered, if I flip the bulbs on my LED Xmas lights, I can make them red, white and blue. So I’m gonna put a little light show on for my daughter. Might be able to see from hwy 38
Re: virus pandemonia
Socalman, Thu Jul 02 2020, 05:57PM
Something interesting I heard today on the radio. A Dr. (I believe her name is Dr. Kelly Victory) was speaking and stated this to be fact. I don't know, just repeating what I heard.
Someone may be asymptomatic but is tested because it is required for work. His test comes back positive. That is reported as a new case. A week later the same person, still aymptomatic, gets tested again so he may return to work but it comes back positive. That is reported as a new case. A few weeks he tests again and once more is reported positive. That is reported as a new case.
In this instance the same person was reported three times as a new case. According to the doctor, this has happened hundreds, perhaps a thousand times just in Los Angeles County.
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Socalman, Thu Jul 02 2020, 05:58PM
By the way, I miss @llen and Judee, to say nothing of Bill's Grandson!
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MtMan, Thu Jul 02 2020, 06:07PM
The legend, Bill's Grandson...
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Dave™, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:15PM
MtMan wrote ...
The legend, Bill's Grandson...
The legend, Bill's Grandson...
Oh, yes!
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:16PM
Socalman wrote ...
Something interesting I heard today on the radio. A Dr. (I believe her name is Dr. Kelly Victory) was speaking and stated this to be fact. I don't know, just repeating what I heard.
Someone may be asymptomatic but is tested because it is required for work. His test comes back positive. That is reported as a new case. A week later the same person, still aymptomatic, gets tested again so he may return to work but it comes back positive. That is reported as a new case. A few weeks he tests again and once more is reported positive. That is reported as a new case.
In this instance the same person was reported three times as a new case. According to the doctor, this has happened hundreds, perhaps a thousand times just in Los Angeles County.
Something interesting I heard today on the radio. A Dr. (I believe her name is Dr. Kelly Victory) was speaking and stated this to be fact. I don't know, just repeating what I heard.
Someone may be asymptomatic but is tested because it is required for work. His test comes back positive. That is reported as a new case. A week later the same person, still aymptomatic, gets tested again so he may return to work but it comes back positive. That is reported as a new case. A few weeks he tests again and once more is reported positive. That is reported as a new case.
In this instance the same person was reported three times as a new case. According to the doctor, this has happened hundreds, perhaps a thousand times just in Los Angeles County.
Yes this is common practice and has been happening for sometime now...Another reason the numbers being reported are entirely incorrect.
Coming from an engineering background, this complete lack of consistency and structure regarding keeping the numbers accurate is infuriating.
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:20PM
Now explain away the hospital census.
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Squatch, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:37PM
QuantumBear wrote ...
Now explain away the hospital census.
Now explain away the hospital census.
Helloooo... that`s the point, the what and where behind the increase, try something different for a change, actually do some research and fact checking before making your cute little come backs... you might LEARN SOMETHING beyond just quoting numbers!
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Thu Jul 02 2020, 07:40PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Helloooo... that`s the point, the what and where behind the increase, try something different for a change, actually do some research and fact checking before making your cute little come backs... you might LEARN SOMETHING beyond just quoting numbers!
QuantumBear wrote ...
Now explain away the hospital census.
Now explain away the hospital census.
Helloooo... that`s the point, the what and where behind the increase, try something different for a change, actually do some research and fact checking before making your cute little come backs... you might LEARN SOMETHING beyond just quoting numbers!
Look at the county dashboard.
[Click Here]
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Squatch, Thu Jul 02 2020, 08:06PM
QuantumBear wrote ...
Look at the county dashboard.
[Click Here]
SQUATCH wrote ...
Helloooo... that`s the point, the what and where behind the increase, try something different for a change, actually do some research and fact checking before making your cute little come backs... you might LEARN SOMETHING beyond just quoting numbers!
QuantumBear wrote ...
Now explain away the hospital census.
Now explain away the hospital census.
Helloooo... that`s the point, the what and where behind the increase, try something different for a change, actually do some research and fact checking before making your cute little come backs... you might LEARN SOMETHING beyond just quoting numbers!
Look at the county dashboard.
[Click Here]
Never mind, you just don`t get it!
Re: virus pandemonia
Dave™, Thu Jul 02 2020, 08:27PM
Do the number of deaths matter at all? We're playing in the weeds and forgetting the finality for many people.
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Squatch, Thu Jul 02 2020, 08:54PM
Absolutely the deaths matter, never indicated otherwise!
Speaking of which, how do you explain that the "numbers are spiking" yet the death rates are so disproportionately low ? Once again, when something doesn`t line up, this sends a major flag, do the homework and fact checking to find out why!!!!
What you find out will surprise you!
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Dave™, Thu Jul 02 2020, 09:03PM
Keep in mind the death count will lag everything else.
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BillyJean, Thu Jul 02 2020, 09:41PM
Dave™ wrote ...
Do the number of deaths matter at all? We're playing in the weeds and forgetting the finality for many people.
Do the number of deaths matter at all? We're playing in the weeds and forgetting the finality for many people.
Excellent point Dave, ADM, All Death's Matter! That's the worst part of all this....
Re: virus pandemonia
SSJ2012, Thu Jul 02 2020, 09:43PM
There’s a few things I learned about our health care system, one is available hospital beds have slowly been dropping since the 1970s, a lot of that reasoning was behind advancement in medicine. But this virus has clearly shown, we are not ready for the extreme likely what if’s, for instance the big one. Luckily in case like a natural disaster, emergency care is only overwhelmed at local level and the rest of the nation kicks in, much like hurricanes. Here we’re faced with a serious but not completely extreme virus that if it infected say 20-40% of the population, our health care system would be overwhelmed. It didn’t hit me as real issue until my friend and his wife got sick, while she was sick for a week, he was down for 4 1/2 weeks. No Pre existing conditions, except now his blood pressure is higher since he’s recovered. While he flat out refused to be hospitalized in fear of being put on a ventilator. It’s something he wouldn’t wish on worst enemy. Now he is going to a local university bi-weekly to be studied.
This isn’t a doomsday virus, but it’s enough to crash the system if unchecked. Problem is, there was no playbook on virus of this type, China wasn’t the most open in beginning, so I understand why doctors and scientists are bouncing all overall. But I do feel we missed a lot opportunities in beginning by the side shows the media was putting out. I’m sure there are definitely better ways we can address this pandemic in ways that don’t shut the economy down without having to get into a social media war.
Luckily the virus hasn’t hit home, but it’s hit close enough I know it’s real. But like I’ve always said, I’ll listen to my doctor long before I’d ever listen to social media/mainstream media expert. My advice to everyone is do the same, and if you don’t like your doctor, find another one. Going to the internet for medical advice, will convince you have cancer. Arguing your point on social media is pretty much like arguing at wall telling it to move. And chances are high, you’re arguing with someone sitting in basement in the underwear.
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 02 2020, 10:21PM
Who forgot their meds this time?
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Well, our relative made it home today to enjoy his own bed, best bday present eva for him. 4 days in the hospital, they worked the pneumonia to a release level. Still C-19 but at least him and his girlfriend (also positive) can Netflix the days away.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 03 2020, 06:42AM
Socalman wrote ...
By the way, I miss @llen and Judee, to say nothing of Bill's Grandson!
By the way, I miss @llen and Judee, to say nothing of Bill's Grandson!
How did we drift off to Nick? from the virus
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 03 2020, 08:26AM
Nicely put SSJ2012!
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 03 2020, 01:26PM
Dave™ wrote ...
Do the number of deaths matter at all? We're playing in the weeds and forgetting the finality for many people.
Do the number of deaths matter at all? We're playing in the weeds and forgetting the finality for many people.
Yes the number of deaths matter....this is the reason for shutdown. We don't shutdown the world because of the cold because not that many people die from it in comparison to the overall global population.
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 03 2020, 01:27PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Helloooo... that`s the point, the what and where behind the increase, try something different for a change, actually do some research and fact checking before making your cute little come backs... you might LEARN SOMETHING beyond just quoting numbers!
QuantumBear wrote ...
Now explain away the hospital census.
Now explain away the hospital census.
Helloooo... that`s the point, the what and where behind the increase, try something different for a change, actually do some research and fact checking before making your cute little come backs... you might LEARN SOMETHING beyond just quoting numbers!
Eeeek swing and a miss Quantum....
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 03 2020, 05:43PM
Here is terror Bear Valley Community Hospital
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 03 2020, 05:50PM
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 05:56AM
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Category A is the longest of the three wavelengths, and the lowest energy form of UV radiation. It accounts for approximately 95% of the UV light rays that reach the Earth's surface. It's the reason we tan, as it penetrates into the deep layers of the skin, and while it's not nearly as harmful as the other categories, it can be responsible for premature aging and excessive wrinkling. Be aware that according to the American Cancer Society, research shows that UV-A could also contribute to skin cancer.
2. UV-B
Category B is a medium wavelength, a higher energy form of UV radiation that can permeate the superficial layers of the skin. It causes short-term skin effects like tanning and burning, but can also contribute to advanced aging of the skin and skin cancer. Most solar UV-B rays are filtered by the atmosphere, meaning that only about 5% can actually reach earth.
3. UV-C
Category C is the shortest wavelength of UV radiation, making it most powerful and potentially damaging type of UV light. Fortunately, it is almost completely absorbed by our Earth's ozone layer, preventing it from bringing intense harm.
While UV-C light has the potential to be the most dangerous, it' been harnessed to be the most powerful germ-fighting light there is! Thanks to technology, it disinfects the hospitals we are treated in, the busses we ride, and even the air we breathe!
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 05:59AM
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 22
(27.4 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, July
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 8
(17.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, July 3
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 9
(17.2 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, July 3
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 6
(5.5 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Friday, July 3
Map
[Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 06:36AM
Health
How much of the coronavirus does it take to make you sick? The science, explained
By Alex Hogan @hoganalex
April 14, 2020 Reprints
INFECTIOUS DOSE STILL
Alex Hogan/STAT
Infectious respiratory diseases spread when a healthy person comes in contact with virus particles expelled by someone who is sick — usually through a cough or sneeze. The amount of particles a person is exposed to can affect how likely they are to become infected and, once infected, how severe the symptoms become.
The amount of virus necessary to make a person sick is called the infectious dose. Viruses with low infectious doses are especially contagious in populations without significant immunity.
The minimum infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is unknown so far, but researchers suspect it is low. “The virus is spread through very, very casual interpersonal contact,” W. David Hardy, a professor of infectious disease at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, told STAT.
Alex Hogan/STAT
A high infectious dose may lead to a higher viral load, which can impact the severity of Covid-19 symptoms.
Viral load is a measure of virus particles. It is the amount of virus present once a person has been infected and the virus has had time to replicate in their cells. With most viruses, higher viral loads are associated with worse outcomes.
“The more viral particles that get into the lungs, the more damage to the lungs that is probably happening,” said Hardy.
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One study of Covid-19 patients in China found that those with more severe symptoms tended to have higher viral loads.
“It’s not proven, but it would make sense that higher inoculating doses will lead to higher viral loads, and higher viral loads would translate into more pathogenic clinical courses,” said Dan Barouch, director of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.
Alex Hogan/STAT
People with higher viral loads may also shed more whole viruses, which makes them more contagious, compounding the danger of spreading disease more widely.
If exposure to higher doses, or even frequent low doses, of SARS-CoV-2 does lead to worse health outcomes, there are significant implications for health care workers who are routinely exposed to Covid-19 patients.
“Someone caring for large numbers of patients on the wards, if they’re not wearing PPE [personal protective equipment], there might be a high frequency of exposure as well as a high dose of exposure,” Barouch said.
In Italy, a country particularly hard-hit by the virus, about 9% of reported cases were health care workers. Here in the U.S., 10% of Covid-19 cases in California were health care workers, according to the California Department of Public Health.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 06:44AM
Some hotels are using UVC light to kill the Virus. Earth atmosphere blocks most of the UVC rays. Now China has been blowing up with all types of crap virus, could it be from air pollution blocking UV? No fact here just thinking out loud!
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QuantumBear, Sat Jul 04 2020, 07:16AM
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
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Richard Clay Travis is an American sports journalist, writer, television analyst, and media personality. He is the morning radio show host for nationwide Fox Sports Radio and appears on FS1's daily sports gambling show Lock It In.
A sportswriter, hardy qualified.
I listen to Dr. Fauci
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MrOwl, Sat Jul 04 2020, 08:13AM
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Richard Clay Travis is an American sports journalist, writer, television analyst, and media personality. He is the morning radio show host for nationwide Fox Sports Radio and appears on FS1's daily sports gambling show Lock It In.
A sportswriter, hardy qualified.
I listen to Dr. Fauci
[/quote1593881328]
Fascinating.
Would that be the Dr Fauci that says don't wear a mask or the one who says wear a mask?
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 09:38AM
MrOwl wrote ...
I listen to Dr. Fauci
[/quote1593875555]
Facinating.
Would that be the Dr Fauci that says don't wear a mask or the one who says wear a mask?
I listen to Dr. Fauci
[/quote1593875555]
Facinating.
Would that be the Dr Fauci that says don't wear a mask or the one who says wear a mask?
He could have a degree from Hooters sports bar and did understudy at the tilted kilt. Wonder what he thinks about Hot Wings from global warming
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 04 2020, 09:39AM
Fauci on masks
[Click Here]
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ButlerPeakFire, Sat Jul 04 2020, 10:10AM
Lol said it before I could Owl.
Regardless of what type of reporter he is...the numbers are still true...
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RH_Runner, Sat Jul 04 2020, 01:03PM
Skyline Drive wrote ...
Some hotels are using UVC light to kill the Virus. Earth atmosphere blocks most of the UVC rays. Now China has been blowing up with all types of crap virus, could it be from air pollution blocking UV? No fact here just thinking out loud!
Some hotels are using UVC light to kill the Virus. Earth atmosphere blocks most of the UVC rays. Now China has been blowing up with all types of crap virus, could it be from air pollution blocking UV? No fact here just thinking out loud!
We have two UVC lights that we use in a room for packages, mail, etc. I can tell you that you sure do not want to even turn them on when you a in the room with them! Blinding! In any case, they are probably no more than a placebo like medical masks, but you never know!
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Polar 🌌rbit, Sat Jul 04 2020, 02:07PM
UVC goes from 100 to 280 nm wavelength. 100 nm is 4 times the energy of the fringe we get from the sun at around 400 nm.
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rdoctor, Sat Jul 04 2020, 02:42PM
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
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cricket, Sat Jul 04 2020, 04:23PM
rdoctor wrote ...
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
Find another website then...and ,stay the heck home...wash your hands...wear a mask...i hope you enjoy your fireworks in Lancaster CA!
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Benny ⭐, Sat Jul 04 2020, 06:39PM
rdoctor wrote ...
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
Which website? Assume you don't mean here on SCM. We only delete stuff that's vulgar or threatening. Unless you're in politics, then you're on your own.
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QuantumBear, Sat Jul 04 2020, 09:46PM
rdoctor wrote ...
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
Click "view all posts" in your profile.
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ButlerPeakFire, Sat Jul 04 2020, 11:12PM
Benny ⭐ wrote ...
Which website? Assume you don't mean here on SCM. We only delete stuff that's vulgar or threatening. Unless you're in politics, then you're on your own.
rdoctor wrote ...
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
Which website? Assume you don't mean here on SCM. We only delete stuff that's vulgar or threatening. Unless you're in politics, then you're on your own.
it's pretty much the wild west in the politics forum.Re: virus pandemonia
Benny ⭐, Sun Jul 05 2020, 12:41AM
QuantumBear wrote ...
Click "view all posts" in your profile.
rdoctor wrote ...
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
WARNING: This website loves to delete posts they don't agree with.
Click "view all posts" in your profile.
Yeah I agree, I think he's just getting lost in all the posts. So many active topics... Nobody has deleted anything here.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Wed Jul 08 2020, 09:31AM
Confirmed Cases
15,932
▲ 3.8% from previous day (15,345)
Recovered (Projected)
8,696
Doubling Time
19.8 Days
BBL11
BBC 7
crestline 23
running springs 9
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Squatch, Wed Jul 08 2020, 12:28PM
FYI - WE`RE OVER IT !
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jul 08 2020, 12:31PM
Death rate continues to drop...
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Deb Doodah, Wed Jul 08 2020, 12:31PM
I'm sorry Squatch - but I don't find this information being provided to be a problem. I appreciate that someone takes the time to share it.
SQUATCH wrote ...
FYI - WE`RE OVER IT !
FYI - WE`RE OVER IT !
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Cornbread, Wed Jul 08 2020, 02:43PM
It's being proven that masks may cause more harm than good. 1st wearing will reduce your oxygen levels. Normal pulse oximeter readings usually range from 95 to 100 percent. Values under 90 percent are considered low. People who wear their mask multiable hours a day are getting readings down to 80. Dr's are wearing mask's all day and they have to make life or death decisions (kinda scary). 2nd reason is that masks cause skin irritation and skin infections. For instance, my mom was just diagnosed with Impetigo. It is a very contagious skin infection that was caused from wearing a mask to much. She is a very clean person with good hygiene.
If masks really work, how come when you fart the smell can go through your underwear and pants? Fart gas particles are bigger than COVID particles and that goes through two "filters".
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Airport Razz, Wed Jul 08 2020, 03:11PM
Yeah, but if it's a wet fart do you really want to be sitting on the leather couch going commando 🎺. Short of a Haz-Mat suit I will gladly take the inconvenience of a mask and the little bit of assist it provides. Especially with the number of people out there that are insisting on sharing their personal spew. You know, those that think their short term 'needs' supercedes the long term needs of the many
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MtMan, Wed Jul 08 2020, 06:06PM
Kinda like surrounding yourself by with chain link fence against mosquitoes.
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Squatch, Wed Jul 08 2020, 07:46PM
Deb Doodah⭐ wrote ...
I'm sorry Squatch - but I don't find this information being provided to be a problem. I appreciate that someone takes the time to share it.
I'm sorry Squatch - but I don't find this information being provided to be a problem. I appreciate that someone takes the time to share it.
SQUATCH wrote ...
FYI - WE`RE OVER IT !
FYI - WE`RE OVER IT !
Potatoe - potato !
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ButlerPeakFire, Wed Jul 08 2020, 10:13PM
CDC confirms 0.26% Infected Fatality Rate... [Click Here]
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:21AM
SQUATCH wrote ...
FYI - WE`RE OVER IT !
FYI - WE`RE OVER IT !
I’m not bending the numbers they are what they are. I’m sorry that the infections continue to grow. Are these new numbers representing the actions from events from weeks back like Memorial Day?
I wonder what group or where the new infections are possibly being transmitted service industry, restaurants. The news says no infections during BLM but then ABC/GMA today reports the Trump Rally in Tulsa has caused a surge of cases.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:36AM
Yes recovery has improved. Treatments for the disease have improved some with only a 4 to 8 week stay in the hospital or three weeks at home in bed they are options. Blue Jay and Angles Oaks comminutes each had 1 case they got too zero but each have one death.
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MtMan, Thu Jul 09 2020, 10:11AM
Skyline, yes, the Wuhan flu only affects gatherings where Trump is involved and magically skips over any leftist gatherings. It's amazing.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 09 2020, 10:39AM
The chain link fence plan Mt Man seems to be what the schools are going to do to protect the teachers
Schools are scheduled to resume August 3rd. What will that be only a bit more than 3 weeks from now.
Bear Valley Unified School District
2020 they have 4 options plans none adapted on the web site for the return.
-
2021 options for Reopening School Plan
[Click Here]
Rim Schools Disrict
On July 6, 2020 the County of San Bernardino has restricted all youth and high school athletic programs from taking part in practice and conditioning activities. These restrictions also pertain to band practices. This effects our athletes and band students in Rim of the World Unified School District and all schools within San Bernardino County. We sincerely appreciate the efforts our coaches and band instructor have made to ensure the safety of our athletes and band students when county and state guidelines had, at the time, allowed them to participate in athletic and band programs.
When the county and state lift the restrictions, the Rim of the World Unified School District will update our parents, athletes and band students. We look forward to when our students can resume participating in their athletic and band programs.
If you have questions pertaining to the restrictions, you can contact the County of San Bernardino at (909) 387-3911.
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Cornbread, Thu Jul 09 2020, 01:56PM
MtMan wrote ...
Skyline, yes, the Wuhan flu only affects gatherings where Trump is involved and magically skips over any leftist gatherings. It's amazing.
Skyline, yes, the Wuhan flu only affects gatherings where Trump is involved and magically skips over any leftist gatherings. It's amazing.
It is a very smart virus. You can't get it at Walmart, Home Depot and the grocery stores, but they know you will get it if you wait in line to vote in Nov.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 09 2020, 01:59PM
Cornbread wrote ...
It is a very smart virus. You can't get it at Walmart, Home Depot and the grocery stores, but they know you will get it if you wait in line to vote in Nov.
MtMan wrote ...
Skyline, yes, the Wuhan flu only affects gatherings where Trump is involved and magically skips over any leftist gatherings. It's amazing.
Skyline, yes, the Wuhan flu only affects gatherings where Trump is involved and magically skips over any leftist gatherings. It's amazing.
It is a very smart virus. You can't get it at Walmart, Home Depot and the grocery stores, but they know you will get it if you wait in line to vote in Nov.
And the only time you can get it protesting is when you are protesting the shutdown. BLM protests are immune to this virus....
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 03:47PM
The previous few posts are a stretch for being witty. Touch political and silly.
This wet fart comparison intrigues me. Let's take one sitting upon my face, bare bottomed: If I had the choice of wearing a mask or not, while the expelling was performed, be it wet or not, I'd put the mask on.
Now let's explore the chain link/mosquito comparison: It is already established the virus is transmitted via airborne and uses a vehicle. It is not as simple as the virus having a straight path out. Oxygen is only 2 atoms, the virus is 1000s of atoms in size. The virus has sticky appendages to attach to larger surfaces, it does not discriminate. Now take that mosquito (which can dodge obstacles at will) and blow some bubbles (breath moisture, sneeze, flem, etc) all around, it has now smacked into a bubble or more, the virus cannot steer away. It has now gotten it's vehicle but in turn, become much larger. The mass has now grown and can be carried much further. That is how some of it gets stuck in the fence. Not all, but some will be trapped. The obstacles have the projectile mass to take it on a ride further. Positive & negative magnetism attraction plays a role also.
A no mask wearer in line before you:
Breath, etc upon the keypad. You touch to checkout. Instinctly you have an itch and touch your T zone, eyes, nose, mouth. Direct infection occurs. Less so, if both subjects don'd a mask.
I'd rather have some protection than none at all.
Masks are here for good, suck it up. Next season's flu numbers will drop dramatically if mask usage is still prevalent.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 04:25PM
A 'clean' unplugged mask cannot block oxygen, nor trap carbon dioxide molecules
[Click Here]
Sure limited airflow, being the size of the straw (path/volume) vs force (pressure).
If we are posting the Dental Tribune as a source link, there's a Forbes link.
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Jellylorum, Thu Jul 09 2020, 05:05PM
Exactly, Doohickey. Many of the virus particles travel inside larger droplets spewed when people sneeze, cough, and talk. They also often clump together or bump into each other while trying to pass through. Many of the larger droplets and clumps cannot make it through the mask.
Thus a face covering can reduce the number of virus particles that get far enough to reach another person.
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MtMan, Thu Jul 09 2020, 05:06PM
A mask wearer before you:. Touches their mask and then touches keypad, same damn difference, you touch keypad and voila.....suck that up.
Notice you didn't even touch the subject brought up by the protests..... convenient.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 05:22PM
No, that portrays a 2nd contact. Hand to mask. You've already lost some in touching another surface. Not direct hand to your actual face.
I started my own subject, relivant to the topic.
Science is our master, not how one would be eluded by TV or social media. That phone in your hand, that rocketship on the moon. Fact. Proven to application. Not 'what' I've read. Sure, the numbers/reportings are skewed.
Your disreguarding the subject matter, is a ploy to distract. Speak on scientific terms.
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MtMan, Thu Jul 09 2020, 06:17PM
Not disregarding any subject at all. Still contact with a surface that "potentially" has the virus, then contact with a surface that the next person may come into contact with it. Real simple, in unscientific terms.
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Squatch, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:24PM
To quote Monte Python: I fart in your general direction!
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:43PM
And now a 3rd contact must be present, after your mask is off your face, you've now lost some more of that virus, sir. Another or yourself would have to touch it again, at the same contact point. Are you going to drive this aspect home? What have you accomplished? Let's take the time span inbetween the touches that have been had. Was it in the sun? Did you wash as you should? Have you proven a mask won't help?
Your concept hasn't procured anything on lifespan to contract, nor the physical areas needed for contraction. I've defined dispersion at each said location and how it could be displaced.
A mask puts forth a barrier. Level up like Mario Bros.
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doo·hick·ey, Thu Jul 09 2020, 07:50PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
To quote Monte Python: I fart in your general direction!
To quote Monte Python: I fart in your general direction!
A needed disruption. Nice!
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 10 2020, 05:59AM
Masks are here for good? Lol good luck with that...
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 10 2020, 07:33AM
Big Bear Lake
(Population 5,247)
Confirmed cases: 13
(24.8 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Big Bear City
(Population 10,838)
Confirmed cases: 7
(6.5 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Running Springs
(Population 4,677)
Confirmed cases: 11
(23.5 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Blue Jay
(Population 903)
Confirmed cases: 0
(0.0 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 1
(11.07 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Crestline
(Population 8,042)
Confirmed cases: 25
(31.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 2
(2.49 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
Rimforest
(Population 762)
Confirmed cases: 1
(13.1 per 10,000 residents)
Deaths: 0
(0.00 per 10,000 residents)
As of: Thursday, July 9
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Cornbread, Fri Jul 10 2020, 10:58AM
If you want to wear a mask for good. That's fine with me. Protect yourself how ever you want but don't make me wear one if I don't want. It's my body, my choice.
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:10AM
I would protect myself however I want, IF I could. N95 masks are unfortunately unavailable.
If high-risk people could access N95 masks, the lack of face masks on other people would be irrelevant.
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:23AM
The short version of why ANY mask might be helpful. (Longer version explains more about different types of masks, and demos.)
[Click Here]
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Dave™, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:30AM
Jellylorum wrote ...
I would protect myself however I want, IF I could. N95 masks are unfortunately unavailable.
If high-risk people could access N95 masks, the lack of face masks on other people would be irrelevant.
I would protect myself however I want, IF I could. N95 masks are unfortunately unavailable.
If high-risk people could access N95 masks, the lack of face masks on other people would be irrelevant.
Jelly: If KN95 masks are acceptable, I did find a source [Click Here] Works out to $2 each.
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MrOwl, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:30AM
Funny, coming from a mechanical engineer, not a scientist.
Of course he is welcome to wear a mask.
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:33AM
Lol Bill Nye...really? Such a credible source..
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:14PM
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
Masks are here for good? Lol good luck with that...
Masks are here for good? Lol good luck with that...
Well let's hope not.
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:23PM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
Well let's hope not.
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
Masks are here for good? Lol good luck with that...
Masks are here for good? Lol good luck with that...
Well let's hope not.
I mean you mentioned they were here for good...that's all I was touching on.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:31PM
Fab find Dave™, KN95's which test very close (chicketty china made) were at Butcher's Block. I only bought one at $4 I think.
I grew up with Bill Nye's shows. A bit eccentric nowadays. That message was short and simple. He's called 'the science guy' for a reason. It'd be like calling Adam West not a superhero.
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:43PM
Thanks for the link to the KN95 masks.
I'm one of those who has multiple lingering side effects for weeks and months after I get sick. One of my coworkers previously commented that when I get a cough, it sounds like I'm hacking up a lung
. I am, of course, trying to stay healthy.
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Airport Razz, Fri Jul 10 2020, 01:02PM
but don't make me wear one if I don't want. It's my body, my choice............ That is very true. But once you step into a public forum if is no longer just your choice. It that other person's, the one next to them, the one behind you and all others in your 'spew zone'. Why should you get to make that choice for them when they aren't allowed to make the choice for you. Why is everything always more important for the few, the privileged, the entitled. Unwashed masses lives matted TOO! If you can make the choice to not wear the mask you can also choose to stay home. Just like the mask people have the choice of staying home to avoid unmasked.
Hey, everyone be safe out there and have a pleasant
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 01:21PM
Jellylorum, KN95's are the China knockoffs of the N95.
Razz, they don't do your line of work and care about their rights & freedom(s) more so.
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MtMan, Fri Jul 10 2020, 01:34PM
Why are some of you bitching about masks? We all are supposed to wear one in public for now. Once that is lifted then you can "shame" us that prefer not to wear one. Seems to be popular these days, shame, shame, shame...
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 03:00PM
KN95 masks are a usually a decent substitute for the N95. Good find. I used N95 regularly when I could get them, at work before I retired, and at home.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 03:01PM
Why are some of you bitching that masks are worthless? I explain they are not quite the chain link fence & mosquito, etc, etc. Shame? Ok if you feel that way.
Living in fear, sheeple are people too!
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Jellylorum, Fri Jul 10 2020, 04:34PM
From Facebook.
A Big Bear resident has a seriously ill adult daughter. Covid-19. The daughter visited Big Bear from AZ two weeks ago, and reportedly was all over town while visiting. The granddaughter is also ill.
It appears she is letting people know, so they can be aware of possible exposure, particularly patrons of Murray's Karaoke nights.
[Click Here]
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cricket, Fri Jul 10 2020, 04:35PM
23 cases now. BB Lake 14. BB City 9
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QuantumBear, Fri Jul 10 2020, 04:38PM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
Why are some of you bitching that masks are worthless? I explain they are not quite the chain link fence & mosquito, etc, etc. Shame? Ok if you feel that way.
Living in fear, sheeple are people too!
Why are some of you bitching that masks are worthless? I explain they are not quite the chain link fence & mosquito, etc, etc. Shame? Ok if you feel that way.
Living in fear, sheeple are people too!
I for one look better in a mask.
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 06:37PM
QuantumBear wrote ...
I for one look better in a mask.
I for one look better in a mask.
I've been saving money on razors. hah
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Nature, Fri Jul 10 2020, 06:54PM
Right when Arizona and Florida cases were starting to explode, an Arizona relative contacted us to tell us of their impending visit. There was no question if we were ok with that or not, just “we are coming”. She had an old friend from Florida, who lived up here the same time she did some years ago, coming back for a visit. We agreed to visit but only at the bike path with social distancing and masks. They weren’t thrilled but agreed. People like that can be warned, educated with the best and most logical information you can share and their smug, ignorant, one sided mindset shuts you out. It’s useless to try and reason with them until they are personally affected. Sometimes that won’t even make any difference. Keep doing what you feel is right for yourself and let the chips fall where they may for those who refuse to believe this pandemic could be bad for them or for their loved ones. It wouldn’t hurt to say a little prayer for everyone.
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QuantumBear, Fri Jul 10 2020, 07:13PM
Nature wrote ...
It’s useless to try and reason with them until they are personally affected. Sometimes that won’t even make any difference. Keep doing what you feel is right for yourself and let the chips fall where they may for those who refuse to believe this pandemic could be bad for them or for their loved ones. It wouldn’t hurt to say a little prayer for everyone.
It’s useless to try and reason with them until they are personally affected. Sometimes that won’t even make any difference. Keep doing what you feel is right for yourself and let the chips fall where they may for those who refuse to believe this pandemic could be bad for them or for their loved ones. It wouldn’t hurt to say a little prayer for everyone.
99% of cases are harmless.
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Airport Razz, Fri Jul 10 2020, 08:08PM
My vacation rental owners for the most part have been cooperative and supportive with our new protocols and the timing needed.......until tonight. Have a renter (non-related to owner) leaving tomorrow at 11 and Mom and friend is coming in from AZ around 5 and staying till tuesday with a follwing renter (non-related to owner) scheduled in the Friday after. Taking the 'family' notation a little too far I'm thinkin but that is millenial thought process taking care of things there. So you think we are going in before Arizona mom arrive tomorrow afternoon and after Mom goes back to AZ with full Haz-Mat suits on and hosing the place down with bleach solution? you better believe it and it is going to cost them dearly. But according to owner, they are OK with that as if we weren't able (or willing) to accomodate she was ready to get on the phone and search for some poor sucker that is either too broke or too dumb to care. And sadly she would have probably found someone eventually.
Side Note: Should the renter coming in after the AZ mom be entitled to a disclaimer that previous guest was from a hot spot?? Thoughts from the gallery?????????
This is the state of our society folks. Isn't going to get any better from here, no matter who's lives matter. Be safe, be careful, and have a good weekend.
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BillyJean, Fri Jul 10 2020, 09:08PM
Maybe try a bag over your head!
QuantumBear wrote ...
I for one look better in a mask.
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
Why are some of you bitching that masks are worthless? I explain they are not quite the chain link fence & mosquito, etc, etc. Shame? Ok if you feel that way.
Living in fear, sheeple are people too!
Why are some of you bitching that masks are worthless? I explain they are not quite the chain link fence & mosquito, etc, etc. Shame? Ok if you feel that way.
Living in fear, sheeple are people too!
I for one look better in a mask.
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Polar 🌌rbit, Fri Jul 10 2020, 09:11PM
We are all born to live we are all bound to die.
Extra points for the first one to ID the quote.
doo·hick·ey wins!
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Nature, Fri Jul 10 2020, 10:26PM
Razz.
Now you are talking about it I would say disclose, disclose, disclose. Read whatever rules are being required by rentals. Whatever you do, follow them to the letter. I’m hearing 24 hrs to clean and after the cleaners leave no one can enter for another 24 hours but they was some time ago.
Do what current rules are dictating.
I would have them sign any and all disclosures, especially the ones that absolve you and your company of any responsibility or liability to their health .
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doo·hick·ey, Fri Jul 10 2020, 10:50PM
e harris PO!
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cricket, Fri Jul 10 2020, 10:52PM
You need a talk about proper sanitization. 23 cases . we are a small town with small first aid hospital
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Airport Razz, Sat Jul 11 2020, 05:51AM
We are down with the recommended protocols and taking them seriously and like engineering doing things 150%. I have some confidence in what we do after 35 years of mold remediation work. Not quite the same as mushrooms growing through the living carpet but very very similar in treatment. At least no white suits and wash down pools in the garage. Not yet anyway🤞
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Squatch, Sat Jul 11 2020, 01:12PM
Watch this video from a doctor regarding covid, masks, social distancing and how the virus actually works
[Click Here]
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QuantumBear, Sat Jul 11 2020, 01:49PM
ABOUT THE EXPERT
Kelly Victory,
MD
Trauma and Emergency Specialist
President, Victory Health Steamboat
Springs, CO
Kelly Victory, MD, is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 15 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina.
Dr Victory is an expert in disaster preparedness and the medical management of mass casualties. She is a member of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative, a combined effort of Harvard School of Public Health and the Kennedy School of Government to develop meta-leaders for national disaster preparedness and response. She has worked closely with officials from Homeland Security, the US Department of Health and Human Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and multiple branches of the military.
Dr Victory has been a guest lecturer at the Harvard Business School Healthcare Conference, and she is a member of the Leadership Council at Harvard School of Public Health. She is the former president of the Colorado chapter of Docs4PatientCare, a physician group dedicated to protecting the doctor-patient relationship and personal choice in healthcare. Dr Victory also served as an advisor to the Romney healthcare policy team and remains actively involved in the reform debate. Dr Victory currently teaches an “Active Shooter Rapid Response and Extraction” course and “Leadership in Times of Crisis” for first responders, community leaders, and organizations, aimed at limiting casualties, improving outcomes and enhancing resiliency. She makes frequent radio and television appearances to discuss issues related to healthcare policy, emergency and disaster, and public health.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jul 11 2020, 05:50PM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Watch this video from a doctor regarding covid, masks, social distancing and how the virus actually works
[Click Here]
Watch this video from a doctor regarding covid, masks, social distancing and how the virus actually works
[Click Here]
2 places you've shared this pseudoscience propaganda. It belongs in the Political section. Not News or General.
Colorado candidate campaigns with doctor who shared coronavirus conspiracy theories
Doctor made false claim about the disease’s spread in Colorado
[Click Here] -Denver Post
I don't wish to spend my Saturday afternoon debunking her month old "informational" video, that she recently re-uploaded.
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Nature, Sat Jul 11 2020, 06:10PM
Although I guessed what this video was about to say I still, out of respect for other’s opinions, watched it. I’m not sure what benefit it was supposed to have. Saying “if” we have a second wave in the fall - the virus dies in temps in the 80’s - the virus will decline when the weather warms up - we shouldn’t social distance or wear masks unless we are sick or have underlying health conditions - 85% have little or “no” symptoms - referring to the drug used for Malaria and arthritis as a treatment -don’t concern yourself about children because they won’t be affected unless they have health conditions - everyone not sick should go back to work and school and everyone should live their normal lives unless they have health conditions or covid19. So... Every normally healthy person basically forget we have covid19 out there because there is nothing to worry about.
What part of every statement there is valid?
If you have it how do you know?
Healthy people get the virus. Children get it and come home. One person can give it to 100 others in crowded locations.
What was missing in all that was how did this current explosion of the covid19 happen or is that a hoax too?
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Benny ⭐, Sat Jul 11 2020, 07:38PM
I didn't watch it, will later. I don't believe we'll have a second wave in the fall, in that we'll never get out of the first wave. It's now apparent heat isn't killing it, but we are approaching herd immunity level(s), which "should" allow it to start decreasing on its own. But this virus hasn't done a lot of things it "should". With all that, some form of treatment and a vaccine, hopefully, we can pull out of this by the New Year.
Nature wrote ...
Although I guessed what this video was about to say I still, out of respect for other’s opinions, watched it. I’m not sure what benefit it was supposed to have. Saying “if” we have a second wave in the fall - the virus dies in temps in the 80’s - the virus will decline when the weather warms up - we shouldn’t social distance or wear masks unless we are sick or have underlying health conditions - 85% have little or “no” symptoms - referring to the drug used for Malaria and arthritis as a treatment -don’t concern yourself about children because they won’t be affected unless they have health conditions - everyone not sick should go back to work and school and everyone should live their normal lives unless they have health conditions or covid19. So... Every normally healthy person basically forget we have covid19 out there because there is nothing to worry about.
What part of every statement there is valid?
If you have it how do you know?
Healthy people get the virus. Children get it and come home. One person can give it to 100 others in crowded locations.
What was missing in all that was how did this current explosion of the covid19 happen or is that a hoax too?
Although I guessed what this video was about to say I still, out of respect for other’s opinions, watched it. I’m not sure what benefit it was supposed to have. Saying “if” we have a second wave in the fall - the virus dies in temps in the 80’s - the virus will decline when the weather warms up - we shouldn’t social distance or wear masks unless we are sick or have underlying health conditions - 85% have little or “no” symptoms - referring to the drug used for Malaria and arthritis as a treatment -don’t concern yourself about children because they won’t be affected unless they have health conditions - everyone not sick should go back to work and school and everyone should live their normal lives unless they have health conditions or covid19. So... Every normally healthy person basically forget we have covid19 out there because there is nothing to worry about.
What part of every statement there is valid?
If you have it how do you know?
Healthy people get the virus. Children get it and come home. One person can give it to 100 others in crowded locations.
What was missing in all that was how did this current explosion of the covid19 happen or is that a hoax too?
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SSJ2012, Sat Jul 11 2020, 09:29PM
I know some of our fellow community members have some connections to those running for election here in next 5 months. (Hint Hint). I’m wondering if they could get just 1 question answered out of the many, on the county reported testing.
If someone test positive for antibodies, but negative for virus. Do they get added to new case count?
I tried emailing our county supervisor and health dept, but they’re kinda dodging questions like 2nd graders dodge balls😂
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rdoctor, Sun Jul 12 2020, 08:24AM
Excellent video Squatch. Thank you very much for posting the link.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 12 2020, 09:59AM
Big Bear City
9
1
10
Big Bear Lake
15
0
15
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ButlerPeakFire, Sun Jul 12 2020, 11:57AM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
2 places you've shared this pseudoscience propaganda. It belongs in the Political section. Not News or General.
Colorado candidate campaigns with doctor who shared coronavirus conspiracy theories
Doctor made false claim about the disease’s spread in Colorado
[Click Here] -Denver Post
I don't wish to spend my Saturday afternoon debunking her month old "informational" video, that she recently re-uploaded.
SQUATCH wrote ...
Watch this video from a doctor regarding covid, masks, social distancing and how the virus actually works
[Click Here]
Watch this video from a doctor regarding covid, masks, social distancing and how the virus actually works
[Click Here]
2 places you've shared this pseudoscience propaganda. It belongs in the Political section. Not News or General.
Colorado candidate campaigns with doctor who shared coronavirus conspiracy theories
Doctor made false claim about the disease’s spread in Colorado
[Click Here] -Denver Post
I don't wish to spend my Saturday afternoon debunking her month old "informational" video, that she recently re-uploaded.
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it should be moved/erased. We do, however, talk about logic like that in the political section.
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cricket, Sun Jul 12 2020, 04:51PM
Another case today.
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NShore.Allen, Sun Jul 12 2020, 05:20PM
Dr victory is on the 790 AM weekdays on the John Phillips program.. the station comes in weak in fawnskin.
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QuantumBear, Sun Jul 12 2020, 06:25PM
What's AM ?ROFL
Oh, on the Marconi
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jul 13 2020, 11:18AM
13/7/2020
Big Bear City
9
+
1
10
Big Bear Lake
15
+
1
16
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cricket, Mon Jul 13 2020, 10:27PM
28 now
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Nature, Mon Jul 13 2020, 11:02PM
Please correct me if I’m not calculating this correctly.
In the numbers above it says 16+10 on July 7. Since July 10 to now July 13 we have 5 more.
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Jellylorum, Tue Jul 14 2020, 06:53AM
July 9 BB had 19 cases. 4 days later 28 cases. 9 new cases in 4 days. 47% increase.
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Jellylorum, Tue Jul 14 2020, 07:08AM
Be careful out there.
I was advised by my doctor's office yesterday that tests are available locally only with significant symptoms and a doctor's referral.
Otherwise, get on the county web site and try to get an appointment in Apple Valley or elsewhere.
Who is driving that far to get tested? Thus, I infer that the new cases likely are from people obviously sick, and does not include those mildly symptomatic, asymptomatic, or those possibly exposed. My question then: how many more have it and haven't been tested?
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Tue Jul 14 2020, 07:13AM
Nature wrote ...
Please correct me if I’m not calculating this correctly.
In the numbers above it says 16+10 on July 7. Since July 10 to now July 13 we have 5 more.
Please correct me if I’m not calculating this correctly.
In the numbers above it says 16+10 on July 7. Since July 10 to now July 13 we have 5 more.
dashboard, tab at bottom of page 'confirmed cases - detail'
[Click Here]
City of BBL updates.
[Click Here]
San Bernardino County reported 5 new COVID-19 cases for the Big Bear Valley this past weekend and today.
According to the latest data from San Bernardino County, there have now been a total of 19 confirmed cases in the Big Bear Valley since early May, and a total of 14 new cases in just the past 12 days. A total of 9 confirmed cases were reported between mid-March and early May, and it is believed that all of these cases have now recovered. Including these earlier cases, the total cumulative case count now includes 18 reported cases in the City of Big Bear Lake and 10 in unincorporated areas (28 total cases). Thankfully, there have been no deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the Big Bear Valley.
Re: virus pandemonia
wisteria1, Tue Jul 14 2020, 07:16AM
COVID testing is available four days a week at MCH in Lake Arrowhead. Doesn't say anything about having to have a prescription, just two of the listed (very general) symptoms and an appointment.
[Click Here]
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BaughHumbug, Tue Jul 14 2020, 09:00AM
At last night's city council meeting, city manager Frank Rush stated that he knew of one local business that had voluntarily closed due to Covid-19 issues. Realtor Dana Profet spoke, said he was aware of two, but neither would name the businesses. Shouldn't this info be shared with full-time residents, many of whom are in the most susceptible category?
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Nature, Tue Jul 14 2020, 09:34AM
Thank you Quantum.
Agreed Humbug.
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Levi1746474, Tue Jul 14 2020, 11:10AM
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CoyotePass, Tue Jul 14 2020, 04:12PM
Dana Prophet is a she. Perhaps you meant her husband Simeon?
We are no where near herd immunity. Herd immunity would kick in somewhere between 40 and 70% of the TOTAL population, but no one knows for sure where the tipping point is. The math to reach that point is frightening. Look up Tate Reeves brilliant tweets on herd immunity yesterday. Tate Reeves is the Republican Governor of Mississippi. He's a plain talking individual. Herd immunity would overwhelm our hospitals and results in MILLIONS of deaths.
Just wear the damn mask already.
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Skier, Tue Jul 14 2020, 04:38PM
Just wear the damn mask already.
Yes!
Our economy and our country are in trouble right now.
The situation is grave.
This is not a test.
Show your'e a patriot, wear a mask proudly.
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Nature, Tue Jul 14 2020, 05:02PM
There is a desperate need for blood donations.
I was told they test you for antibodies when you give blood. I’m not sure about testing for Covid but that would make sense. Call the Big Bear Lake fire station, located behind Remax on Big Bear Blvd, to get an appointment right away. Your blood can save lives with all sorts of medical issues but your plasma can save Covid 19 patients in severe distress. You’re not only getting peace of mind, knowing your status with this virus, but giving life to someone else.The blood drive is up here right now.
You can also request a prescription from your doctor for an antibody test and take that prescription to Quest on Fox Farm Road. So you don’t have to leave the mountain. I believe everyone should get tested to speed up our economic recovery. If the federal government won’t help us, we the people can take this into our own hands and solve these problems without them.
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Wed Jul 15 2020, 01:32PM
1000 new cases in the county today
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cricket, Wed Jul 15 2020, 02:13PM
37 cases now. Big Bear City 15, Big Bear Lake 18, Sugarloaf 4. Thank you City Council and Visitor Center for sending the engraved invitation.
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Jellylorum, Wed Jul 15 2020, 06:41PM
7 days ago, the case total was 18, since March. Approx. 120 days total.
Today's numbers are a 100% increase in 7 days.
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Nature, Wed Jul 15 2020, 07:03PM
Cricket. Well put.
As for all those who are saying this is a hoax, our rights are being stepped on by being told to stay home and wear masks, let us go back to work now, this is no worse than the flu and any other remark to try and erase/discredit what’s going on, maybe… and only maybe... you’ll open your eyes and hopefully your minds.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 06:19AM
Nature wrote ...
Cricket. Well put.
As for all those who are saying this is a hoax, our rights are being stepped on by being told to stay home and wear masks, let us go back to work now, this is no worse than the flu and any other remark to try and erase/discredit what’s going on, maybe… and only maybe... you’ll open your eyes and hopefully your minds.
Cricket. Well put.
As for all those who are saying this is a hoax, our rights are being stepped on by being told to stay home and wear masks, let us go back to work now, this is no worse than the flu and any other remark to try and erase/discredit what’s going on, maybe… and only maybe... you’ll open your eyes and hopefully your minds.
No thanks. Death rate is still incredibly low. I'll take my freedoms.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 06:30AM
Also it's total bull crap they are blaming bars and restaurants for this and still allowing protests...
.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 16 2020, 08:14AM
Sugarloaf | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 4
Cases per 10,000 residents: Not available
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Big Bear City | Population: 10,838
Confirmed cases: 15
Cases per 10,000 residents: 13.8
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Big Bear Lake | Population: 5,247
Confirmed cases: 18
Cases per 10,000 residents: 34.3
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Green Valley Lake | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Arrowbear | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Running Springs | Population: 4,677
Confirmed cases: 12
Cases per 10,000 residents: 25.7
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Cedar Glen | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 2
Cases per 10,000 residents: Not available
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Rimforest | Population: 762
Confirmed cases: 1
Cases per 10,000 residents: 13.1
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Crestline | Population: 8,042
Confirmed cases: 31
Cases per 10,000 residents: 38.5
Deaths: 2
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 2.49
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Valley of Enchantment | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Cedarpines Park | Population: Not available
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 15
Re: virus pandemonia
ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 08:43AM
There you go...
2 Deaths out of 83 Confirmed Cases. That makes the infected fatality rate for the mountain ~2.4%
Really not that scary if you ask me.
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CoyotePass, Thu Jul 16 2020, 08:48AM
We've been soooooo LUCKY so far in Big Bear. It's sheer luck. Our luck could run out any day now. Wear the damn mask.
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Cornbread, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:21AM
CoyotePass wrote ...
We've been soooooo LUCKY so far in Big Bear. It's sheer luck. Our luck could run out any day now. Wear the damn mask.
We've been soooooo LUCKY so far in Big Bear. It's sheer luck. Our luck could run out any day now. Wear the damn mask.
I live in Idaho now and masks are not required. I am SO glad I don't live in CA anymore. I refuse to wear a mask. I prefer to keep my immune system strong and my oxygen level normal. My body my choice.
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Squatch, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:29AM
But what about "The Numbers?" You`re going to kill Grandma!
Dam, someone must have slipped me some KOOLAID!
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MrOwl, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:44AM
Cornbread wrote ...
I live in Idaho now and masks are not required. I am SO glad I don't live in CA anymore. I refuse to wear a mask. I prefer to keep my immune system strong and my oxygen level normal. My body my choice.
CoyotePass wrote ...
We've been soooooo LUCKY so far in Big Bear. It's sheer luck. Our luck could run out any day now. Wear the damn mask.
We've been soooooo LUCKY so far in Big Bear. It's sheer luck. Our luck could run out any day now. Wear the damn mask.
I live in Idaho now and masks are not required. I am SO glad I don't live in CA anymore. I refuse to wear a mask. I prefer to keep my immune system strong and my oxygen level normal. My body my choice.
Unfortunately our piss ass county just made them mandatory. Not wearing one.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:47AM
Score was 43 Confirmed Cases on July 4th.
12 days later 83 Confirmed Cases
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 09:55AM
Skyline Drive wrote ...
Score was 43 Confirmed Cases on July 4th.
12 days later 83 Confirmed Cases
Score was 43 Confirmed Cases on July 4th.
12 days later 83 Confirmed Cases
Still with a low death rate.....that's the important number.
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 16 2020, 10:51AM
So far they have no last names from the community. Just known as dead
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Cornbread, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:09AM
Serious question. If this is so contagious & deadly. Why are there no bio hazard bins for masks and gloves?
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:16AM
Cornbread wrote ...
Serious question. If this is so contagious & deadly. Why are there no bio hazard bins for masks and gloves?
Serious question. If this is so contagious & deadly. Why are there no bio hazard bins for masks and gloves?
And if masks are that effective why did we need to release 18,000 inmates instead of just giving them masks?
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Squatch, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:17AM
Skyline Drive wrote ...
So far they have no last names from the community. Just known as dead
So far they have no last names from the community. Just known as dead
Where were you and others for that matter when SARS, EBOLA, BIRD FLU, SWINE FLU, MERS and so many other horrible diseases were circulating? Why so vocal now?
It`s simple: HYPE! HYPE! HYPE!
Noun: extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion.."she relied on HYPE and headlines to stoke interest in her point of view!"
Verb: promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating it`s importance or benefits.
"one`s agenda quick to HYPE her point of view!"
HYPED UP
To stimulate, excite, or AGITATE. ...To create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods...To intensify by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc....to trick;gull.....
Re: virus pandemonia
Marty, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:40AM
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
There you go...
2 Deaths out of 83 Confirmed Cases. That makes the infected fatality rate for the mountain ~0.024%
Really not that scary if you ask me.
There you go...
2 Deaths out of 83 Confirmed Cases. That makes the infected fatality rate for the mountain ~0.024%
Really not that scary if you ask me.
I'm not trying to counter your point, or take an opposite side, but that's 2.4% not 0.024%.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 11:59AM
Marty wrote ...
I'm not trying to counter your point, or take an opposite side, but that's 2.4% not 0.024%.
ButlerPeakFire wrote ...
There you go...
2 Deaths out of 83 Confirmed Cases. That makes the infected fatality rate for the mountain ~0.024%
Really not that scary if you ask me.
There you go...
2 Deaths out of 83 Confirmed Cases. That makes the infected fatality rate for the mountain ~0.024%
Really not that scary if you ask me.
I'm not trying to counter your point, or take an opposite side, but that's 2.4% not 0.024%.
You are correct Sir. Amended.
...Coffee hadn't kicked in yet.
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CoyotePass, Thu Jul 16 2020, 12:58PM
I guess this 58 year old female must just be tougher than you pitiful little male wimps. I wear a mask up to 9 hours a day while physically working my butt off yet I have no trouble breathing through an N95 mask.
It's your god given right to die, but the mask isnt about YOU. MAN UP.
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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jul 16 2020, 01:50PM
CoyotePass wrote ...
I guess this 58 year old female must just be tougher than you pitiful little male wimps. I wear a mask up to 9 hours a day while physically working my butt off yet I have no trouble breathing through an N95 mask.
It's your god given right to die, but the mask isnt about YOU. MAN UP.
I guess this 58 year old female must just be tougher than you pitiful little male wimps. I wear a mask up to 9 hours a day while physically working my butt off yet I have no trouble breathing through an N95 mask.
It's your god given right to die, but the mask isnt about YOU. MAN UP.
Ah yes wear a mask or die....the numbers don't agree, but thanks for your opinion. Maybe share it with the 10's of thousands of unmasked protesters flooding the streets of LA...which is legal according to our Governor. According to him, it was the Bars/Restaurants at ~50% capacity that cause the spike...sigh.
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KK, Thu Jul 16 2020, 03:17PM
Not a liberal by any means. NRA member, Yes! Most of Hollywood Uggh! That being said, if something helps why not? If it doesn’t OK! Everyone gets to choose right? Or is that not in the Constitution? I wear a mask in public. Do I wear it while driving around in the car? NO! Do I wash my hands? Yes! It is funny how people Not wearing a mask will cough at you when you are wearing one. What the hell!! Wear a mask, don’t wear a mask. Just don’t cough at me because I choose to wear one!
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Deb Doodah, Thu Jul 16 2020, 04:30PM
I think a piece of all this that gets missed in these conversations is that a large number of people who recover, sustain permanent damage. This virus is scarring lungs, creating blood clots and damaging hearts. We don’t know the long term effects on our children. Will they experience permanent damage from this virus and to what extent will that damage effect their lives?
This is not just a number of people who die issue. It is the overarching effects this virus will cause to those that catch it. I don’t think anyone really knows at this point and is it worth risking your children’s future for?
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KK, Thu Jul 16 2020, 06:23PM
Deb Doodah⭐ wrote ...
I think a piece of all this that gets missed in these conversations is that a large number of people who recover, sustain permanent damage. This virus is scarring lungs, creating blood clots and damaging hearts. We don’t know the long term effects on our children. Will they experience permanent damage from this virus and to what extent will that damage effect their lives?
This is not just a number of people who die issue. It is the overarching effects this virus will cause to those that catch it. I don’t think anyone really knows at this point and is it worth risking your children’s future for?
I think a piece of all this that gets missed in these conversations is that a large number of people who recover, sustain permanent damage. This virus is scarring lungs, creating blood clots and damaging hearts. We don’t know the long term effects on our children. Will they experience permanent damage from this virus and to what extent will that damage effect their lives?
This is not just a number of people who die issue. It is the overarching effects this virus will cause to those that catch it. I don’t think anyone really knows at this point and is it worth risking your children’s future for?
Nicely put Deb!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 17 2020, 06:09AM
SQUATCH wrote ...
Where were you and others for that matter when SARS, EBOLA, BIRD FLU, SWINE FLU, MERS and so many other horrible diseases were circulating? Why so vocal now?
It`s simple: HYPE! HYPE! HYPE!
Noun: extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion.."she relied on HYPE and headlines to stoke interest in her point of view!"
Verb: promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating it`s importance or benefits.
"one`s agenda quick to HYPE her point of view!"
HYPED UP
To stimulate, excite, or AGITATE. ...To create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods...To intensify by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc....to trick;gull.....
Skyline Drive wrote ...
So far they have no last names from the community. Just known as dead
So far they have no last names from the community. Just known as dead
Where were you and others for that matter when SARS, EBOLA, BIRD FLU, SWINE FLU, MERS and so many other horrible diseases were circulating? Why so vocal now?
It`s simple: HYPE! HYPE! HYPE!
Noun: extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion.."she relied on HYPE and headlines to stoke interest in her point of view!"
Verb: promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating it`s importance or benefits.
"one`s agenda quick to HYPE her point of view!"
HYPED UP
To stimulate, excite, or AGITATE. ...To create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods...To intensify by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc....to trick;gull.....
Who is she???
What is your Problem, the numbers are what they are. shut down the hate!! the numbers are what we have to look at and to reason it out.YOU can Just keep your head in the sand. Just ignore make up your own mind for your self.
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 17 2020, 06:19AM
After the moon landing hoax
SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio doctor said one of her hospital's patients, a 30-year-old man, died after attending a so-called "COVID party" -- a bizarre trend where young people intentionally get together with someone who's infected.
Dr. Jane Appleby, chief medical officer for Methodist Hospital and Methodist Children's Hospital, said the patient thought the coronavirus pandemic was a hoax.
"He thought he was young and he was invincible and wouldn't get affected ... One of the things that was heart-wrenching that he said to his nurse was, 'I think I made a mistake,'" she said.
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In Florida, officials reported 120 deaths in one day Thursday, the highest number since the previous record of 113 in early May.
SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio doctor said one of her hospital's patients, a 30-year-old man, died after attending a so-called "COVID party" -- a bizarre trend where young people intentionally get together with someone who's infected.
Dr. Jane Appleby, chief medical officer for Methodist Hospital and Methodist Children's Hospital, said the patient thought the coronavirus pandemic was a hoax.
"He thought he was young and he was invincible and wouldn't get affected ... One of the things that was heart-wrenching that he said to his nurse was, 'I think I made a mistake,'" she said.
'IT MAKES ME MAD AS HELL' What in the world is a COVID-19 party and why would anybody have one? Hit play to find out.
Many who attend "COVID parties" are competing to see who can catch the virus first. During events reported in Alabama, some college students even gambled money to give to the "winner," the one who catches COVID-19 first.
Appleby said she is seeing more and more coronavirus patients in their 20s and 30s. She said she shared the story not to scare people, but to make sure they understand that the virus can affect anyone.
On Friday, Texas surpassed 10,000 hospitalized patients for the first time, capping a week of grim markers that also saw the state exceed 10,000 new cases in a single day. And it has been the deadliest week of the pandemic in Texas, with 95 new deaths reported Friday.
"The tsunami is here," said Hidalgo County Judge Richard Cortez, the top official in one of the largest counties on the Texas-Mexico border.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Squatch, Fri Jul 17 2020, 09:25AM
I didn`t say anything hateful, it`s troubling that you equate the TRUTH as hate! An opposing opinion is just that, and THANK YOU for making my point by replying with more HYPE!
Btw, you never answered my question regarding "where were you during all of the other diseases?"
Last but not lease, "she" was a direct quote taken from Websters!
Have a great day!
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RH_Runner, Fri Jul 17 2020, 09:39AM
SQUATCH wrote ...
I didn`t say anything hateful, it`s troubling that you equate the TRUTH as hate!
I didn`t say anything hateful, it`s troubling that you equate the TRUTH as hate!
This is one of the biggest problems in today's world, IMO! No one can just have an exchange of ideas, or thoughts, any longer!
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wisteria1, Fri Jul 17 2020, 09:51AM
"Btw, you never answered my question regarding "where were you during all of the other diseases?"
Where was I? In the same place most other people were - can't happen to me!
Until four years ago when my beautiful healthy 40-year-old daughter took a mid-afternoon stroll through Mile Square Park and got a mosquito bite. Within three days she was in a coma and having seizures. Meningoencephalitis from West Nile virus. She was one of the lucky ones, one of only four such cases in all of Orange County that year to not end up blind, paralyzed or dead. Four years later she still has lingering neurological deficits which may never completely heal.
Can't happen to me? BS. And when it does, it's devastating beyond belief.
wear the damn masks. take reasonable precautions. It's a small enough price to pay. no more of a constitutional rights issue than "don't leave standing water to collect on your property to breed mosquitoes".
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Airport Razz, Fri Jul 17 2020, 11:42AM
Very Good Question - Where Was I? Thinking I was hunkered down here in Big Bear watching all the problems originate with international travelers so figured my having no life and never leaving the mountain left me and my family quite safe from those pandemics. Good chance that would have been the same thing this time had travel to the mountains been restricted to locals......but we all know how that would have turn out. Range war between the haves and the have-nots. I do believe that the reason we were so 'clear' for so long is that the ski areas were shut down at the onset of the pandemic. Even Herrick is fairly sure that he wasn't infected by someone here in the valley. That kept a lot of it out of the local population for so long possibly.
Hey, all be safe, wear a mask when you are supposed to and enjoy the weekend. This is our life for a while, i'm kicking and screaming but slowly starting to adjust. Not something we old folk do well by the way
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ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 17 2020, 11:56AM
I think the most frustrating part of all of this are the "incorrect" numbers being brought to light now (thousands of pending cases being recorded as positives or even people not going to tests getting positive results). These numbers are being inflated to increase Federal/State funding to these hospitals, but they are also one of the main deciding factors for shutdowns. Hospitals falsifying these numbers are possibly destroying people's livelihoods/businesses by keeping them unnecessarily closed. That's what I'm really bugged by...
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Nature, Fri Jul 17 2020, 10:01PM
I’ve said it before. You can’t influence the minds of those who want to believe whatever suits them. Keep doing what is right and talk to those who understand the seriousness of what is happening to the world. The more they fight what needs to be done to turn this around, the longer our economy will suffer. Prepare for It.
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MrOwl, Sat Jul 18 2020, 09:38AM
This is how they count
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jul 18 2020, 11:56AM
So is there any data with percentages on false reporting? Is the media telling medical facilities to report incorrect death numbers or do they get extended funding? What is the motive? With every collection reporting system, there is bound to be a +/- margin of error. Was Big Bear Valley all false, some false or all true? Pretty broad statement...
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Nature, Sat Jul 18 2020, 03:28PM
Doo Hick ey If you want to know where the false reporting is, consider the fact that Very few were getting counted for the first 2 to 3 months of this pandemic. Only counted were those who had the worst symptoms and ended up hospitalized were counted as “confirmed” with Covid19. There was such limited testing, with tests being in short supply. Today I spoke with my paramedic relative in Texas. I was saying it seemed that younger people are getting infected. I told him I didn’t want the children to suffer the results of this virus and he told me, near the border, there are 85 babies testing positive. All are under a year old. I was so shocked. He is transporting more and more Covid cases daily. Far more in bad condition than they have ever transported previously. Texas is in dire straights. My doctor told me that cases in Big Bear have not been counted. As far as I’m concerned there are “far more” cases than being reported. Especially cases with few or no symptoms. They have been put aside completely. I wouldn’t worry about false counting being too high. That’s a ridiculous statement made by people who feel this is a one sided virus.
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jul 18 2020, 05:32PM
Hey Nature, I get that hang after hitting 'Reply To Thread' also. I thought it was due to having too many tabs open or internet or phone issues. I don't hit submit more than once. Preview, select all, then it's on my clipboard if it gets lost. When hung, I start over with a new tab.
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
So is there any data with percentages on false reporting? Is the media telling medical facilities to report incorrect death numbers or do they get extended funding? What is the motive? With every collection reporting system, there is bound to be a +/- margin of error. Was Big Bear Valley all false, some false or all true? Pretty broad statement...
So is there any data with percentages on false reporting? Is the media telling medical facilities to report incorrect death numbers or do they get extended funding? What is the motive? With every collection reporting system, there is bound to be a +/- margin of error. Was Big Bear Valley all false, some false or all true? Pretty broad statement...
Yeah, I don't think much of the early infections that were not reported. These back n forth, drive-by comments are not going to change my mind to this is all hype. CO2 molecules are 3 atoms, O2 is 2. A clean mask, not dampened with moisture isn't going to suffocate me.
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Nature, Sat Jul 18 2020, 07:58PM
Yeah. It is impatience and pressing submit more than once. I work another program that does the same thing.
Thanks for the affirmation.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat Jul 18 2020, 08:26PM
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat Jul 18 2020, 08:26PM
Hey guys... Just testing what happens when put in a quick reply and then click the "Reply to Thread" button.
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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat Jul 18 2020, 08:27PM
All 3 of these went within 1-2 seconds of clicking Reply to Thread. I know that the traffic and load on this site varies significantly. How often does this happen to you guys? Thanks!
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doo·hick·ey, Sat Jul 18 2020, 10:19PM
Way to hijack the topic. L0L
J/K, about half of my attempts, either just browsing or posting. I know when it'll get stuck bad, when the progress bar sits at ~6% for minutes. Usually I can start over and see the post did, in fact, go through.
I really thought it was just me.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 19 2020, 06:14AM
19/7/2020
Big Bear Lake 22
Big Bear City 14
Fawnskin 0
Sugarloaf 4
CestLine 34
Running Springs 12
County San Bern. 23566
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Squatch, Sun Jul 19 2020, 09:35AM
Skyline Drive wrote ...
19/7/2020
Big Bear Lake 22
Big Bear City 14
Fawnskin 0
Sugarloaf 4
CestLine 34
Running Springs 12
County San Bern. 23566
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19/7/2020
Big Bear Lake 22
Big Bear City 14
Fawnskin 0
Sugarloaf 4
CestLine 34
Running Springs 12
County San Bern. 23566
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Please share with us who is doing the due diligence and fact checking the government numbers, AND, how many local numbers are attributed to cases brought in from other counties/countries!
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Quakes🦊, Sun Jul 19 2020, 04:32PM
Everyone seems to be flocking to the mountains. It is extremely crowded up here everywhere. Sky Park was open and the parking lot was full. Scores people, including lots of families with little kids were gathered in Big Bear today as we swung by.
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jul 20 2020, 05:44AM
Sugarloaf 5
BBL 22
BBC14
Fawn 0
Valley 41
Confirmed Cases San Bernardino County
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Doubling Time
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ArchJohn, Mon Jul 20 2020, 11:15AM
The County's website shows an "outbreak" in Big Bear City of one ("Confirmed Cases-Details" tab) but the location is not on the list of outbreaks on this site. Any idea where that might be?
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Jellylorum, Mon Jul 20 2020, 01:06PM
An "outbreak" marker means 1 or 2 cases involved a person from BBC who is living in prison or a care facility, or receiving outpatient therapy at a care center. That marker has been there for a very long time, well before the outbreaks at the prisons. Most likely was a person in a care facility. At the time the marker first appeared, I believe cases in BBC totalled 3 or 4.
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Skier, Mon Jul 20 2020, 04:25PM
Skier wrote ...
Yes!
Our economy and our country are in trouble right now.
The situation is grave.
This is not a test.
Show your'e a patriot, wear a mask proudly.
Just wear the damn mask already.
Yes!
Our economy and our country are in trouble right now.
The situation is grave.
This is not a test.
Show your'e a patriot, wear a mask proudly.
Well looky here.... [Click Here]
The President must have seen my post! Took 6 days though. Maybe he should give me his cellphone number so I can offer him other advice.
I wonder, if Trump issued a federal mandate for everybody to wear masks out in public, would the current no maskers finally give in? Serious question, because it very likely could happen.
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doo·hick·ey, Mon Jul 20 2020, 04:51PM
Well that's political.
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Skier, Mon Jul 20 2020, 05:47PM
doo·hick·ey wrote ...
Well that's political.
Really? If you are offended, I'd be happy to edit the part you think is political. I didn't mean for it to be taken as political. Well that's political.
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QuantumBear, Mon Jul 20 2020, 06:43PM
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Nature, Mon Jul 20 2020, 08:14PM
Oh Cool!
So if only half the nation ends up getting Covid there will be only 1,500,000 deaths.
Sound good??!
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cricket, Mon Jul 20 2020, 08:22PM
We are fortunate it is not a prion disease.
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ButlerPeakFire, Tue Jul 21 2020, 06:31AM
^ Squatch and I get hassled and then there are these posts ^
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 21 2020, 08:14AM
94 pages why
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QuantumBear, Tue Jul 21 2020, 05:07PM
Trump says coronavirus pandemic will ‘probably, unfortunately’ get worse before it gets better
Published: July 21, 2020 at 6:06 p.m. ET
President now urges mask-wearing, social distancing.
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Craig ⭐, Tue Jul 21 2020, 06:43PM
Everyone needs to cooperate with keeping political battles out of this forum. The alternative is to move this forum to politics and start a new one where we can all share information and not make it another political forum. We have a whole forum dedicated that stuff
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Squatch, Tue Jul 21 2020, 06:58PM
Thank you Craig!
Thought Butler, others and I were getting the old double standard again!
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Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 21 2020, 07:53PM
Big Bear City
14
1
15
Big Bear Lake
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Fawnskin
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Sugarloaf
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Airport Razz, Wed Jul 22 2020, 04:27PM
Frikkin Owners!!! Had a vacation cabin that got lucky and got a long term rental starting just after the shut down and going through August. Now starting to get booking for them and of course "we are all on board with the new regulations and will help keep you and your staff safe". SURE, so explain why I just got a booking that has an exit on Sun 9/13 and an arrival on Mon 9/14. WTF people. Can't anyone pull and keep thier head out of that dark damp place???? Greed greed greedy bird.
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Hooky Bobber, Wed Jul 22 2020, 08:01PM
7/22
Big Bear City
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BaughHumbug, Thu Jul 23 2020, 08:24AM
Skyline Drive, please clarify for me what the "1" underneath BB City's 15 cases indicates. Hoping it's not a death; I checked the link you provided and no deaths are listed for BBC. Thank you!
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 23 2020, 08:54AM
BaughHumbug wrote ...
Skyline Drive, please clarify for me what the "1" underneath BB City's 15 cases indicates. Hoping it's not a death; I checked the link you provided and no deaths are listed for BBC. Thank you!
Skyline Drive, please clarify for me what the "1" underneath BB City's 15 cases indicates. Hoping it's not a death; I checked the link you provided and no deaths are listed for BBC. Thank you!
from the link
Location
Community
Cases- Outbreak Cases-total
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Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 23 2020, 08:55AM
U.S. states and territories on Wednesday reported more than 1,100 new deaths attributed to the novel coronavirus, marking the first time since May 29 that the country exceeded that number, according to Washington Post tracking. The tally was led by Texas, which reported a record 197 new deaths Wednesday.
Deaths from the virus have continued to climb upward since June, a troubling trend that gives credence to experts who expected an increase in fatalities following the recent surge in infections.
With cases, hospitalizations and deaths mounting in many areas, governors in Ohio, Indiana and Minnesota on Wednesday joined the growing momentum for mandating face coverings statewide. More than 30 states now require people to wear masks as top health officials and federal leaders, including once-skeptical President Trump, tout their effectiveness.
Here are some significant developments:
· California on Wednesday passed New York in the number of total confirmed cases, as the pandemic once concentrated in the tri-state area shifts to the South and the West.
· Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is pushing to unveil an approximately $1 trillion coronavirus relief bill as early as Wednesday but faces deep divisions between Senate Republicans and the White House.
· Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer and German biotechnology firm BioNTech will supply the federal government with 100 million doses of coronavirus vaccine under a $1.95 billion deal announced Wednesday, the administration’s largest investment in a vaccine that has not yet been proved effective.
· The president’s maskless appearance at Trump International Hotel this week — in apparent defiance of D.C. coronavirus regulations — has caught the attention of local authorities, who say they plan to investigate the hotel’s compliance with city rules.
· An unusual new video with former president Barack Obama and Joe Biden marks a new tactic for campaigning for the country’s highest office in the midst of a pandemic.
Virus may be controlled but never ‘eradicated,’ Fauci says
The coronavirus may never be wiped off the planet , that’s the bad news, but it may be controlled and ultimately managed, Anthony S. Fauci said.
The country’s top infectious-disease expert offered the sobering yet cautiously hopeful assessment Wednesday during a virtual event hosted by TB Alliance on the future of fighting global pandemics like the coronavirus and tuberculosis.
Citing the high rate of coronavirus cases in which people are infected but show no symptoms, Fauci said the virus is unlikely to be the “worst” global killer, although it has certainly proved to be particularly deadly for elderly patients and those with underlying conditions.
The virus is also unlikely to “disappear” the way severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, did after it was identified in 2002. The respiratory virus spread to more than two dozen countries and killed nearly 800 people before virtually vanishing; it was considered eradicated the following year.
The novel coronavirus, Fauci said, is “too efficient” in its ability to transmit from one person to the next.
“I think we ultimately will get control of it; I don’t really see us eradicating it,” he said.
The ability to control the virus will depend on strong public health measures, “a degree of global herd immunity” and a vaccine, he said. Fauci said he is “cautiously optimistic” about developing an effective vaccine.
“I think when you put all three of those together, I think we will get very good control of this, whether it’s this year or next year,” he said.
California passes New York as the state with the most coronavirus cases
The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in California reached 413,576 on Wednesday, causing it to pass New York as the state with the most confirmed infections, according to data tracked by The Washington Post.
New York on Wednesday reported 705 new cases, to bring its total to 408,886 since the start of the pandemic.
California was among the earliest states to confirm cases of community spread, with Northern California and the Bay Area becoming the first areas to implement stay-at-home orders in mid-March. At the time, the state’s aggressive shutdowns helped keep the number of cases in the Bay Area stable, 33 by the end of March, while New York City’s infection rate had exploded to 497 during that same time.
Almost four months later, the two states have switched positions. New York’s highest-in-the-nation numbers have plummeted from their April peak, with cases down 94 percent.
Meanwhile, the number of infections, hospitalizations and deaths in California has surged. The rising infection rate grew sharply in June. Outbreaks in several California prisons became major vectors for community spread, while large social gatherings in parts of the state fueled new infections. California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) issued a statewide mask mandate a month ago, but at least five rural counties refused to comply.
Pfizer and BioNTech announce deal with U.S. to distribute up to 600 million doses of potential coronavirus vaccine
Pfizer and BioNTech will supply the federal government with 100 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine, once it’s proved effective and secures regulatory approval, under a $1.95 billion deal, the biotech companies announced Wednesday.
The agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and Defense Department allows the government to acquire an additional 500 million doses of BNT162, the vaccine candidate.
“Expanding Operation Warp Speed’s diverse portfolio by adding a vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech increases the odds that we will have a safe, effective vaccine as soon as the end of this year,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. “Depending on success in clinical trials, today’s agreement will enable the delivery of approximately 100 million doses of this vaccine to the American people.”
Americans will receive the vaccine free, the release said.
Senate GOP struggles to finalize $1 trillion coronavirus bill
Senate Republicans struggled to finalize a $1 trillion coronavirus relief bill Wednesday, confronting internal divisions and continued White House demands for a payroll tax cut that most lawmakers oppose.
Several lawmakers speculated openly that they might be unable to make any deal with Democrats at all, suggesting the possible need for a stand-alone extension of unemployment benefits that expire at the end of this month.
Can you get coronavirus twice? Doctors are unsure
When Sophie Cunningham, a guard for the WNBA’s Phoenix Mercury, returned to training last week after a bout with covid-19, she made an announcement that startled fans. She said she believed she had been infected twice, once in March and then again in June or July.
“They said you can only get it once, but I’ve had it twice,” she told reporters Thursday. “Hopefully, I’m done with it.”
As the United States marks its sixth month since the arrival of the virus, Cunningham’s story is among a growing number of reports of people getting covid-19, recovering and then falling sick again, assertions, that if proved, could complicate efforts to make a long-lasting vaccine, or to achieve herd immunity where most of the population has become immune to the virus.
Miami will create new police unit to enforce mask ordinance
Miami will dedicate 39 law enforcement officers to enforcing the city’s mask ordinance, Mayor Francis Suarez said Tuesday at a news conference.
Like many other hard-hit South Florida cities, Miami requires face coverings to be worn in both indoor and outdoor public settings, with exceptions only for joggers, people with health conditions and children under 2. As cases and hospitalizations continue to surge, however, the city is taking things a step further by creating a mask enforcement unit.
The 39 officers “are going to be working seven days a week,” Suarez said. “All they are going to be doing is mask enforcement.”
Violators will be fined $50 for a first offense, $100 for a second offense and $500 after that. Anyone who violates the ordinance more than three times will be arrested.
Miami-Dade County leads Florida for the most coronavirus infections reported per 100,000 people, as well as the highest death count, according to data tracked by the Miami Herald.
Ohio, Indiana and Minnesota join nearly two-thirds of states requiring masks
On Wednesday, Ohio, Indiana and Minnesota followed about 30 states in the country that have implemented mask mandates in recent weeks.
Governors from the Midwestern states emphasized the importance of mask-wearing to slow the community spread of the coronavirus, as cases have spiked.
Ohio’s order, which goes into effect Thursday, will require people older than 9 to don masks in indoor public spaces and outdoors when social distancing can’t be maintained. Indiana’s order, to be signed Thursday, also calls for mask-wearing when social distancing is not possible.
Minnesotans who are 5 or older must be masked indoors, aside from homes, starting Saturday.
Minnesotans who are 5 or older must be masked indoors, aside from homes, starting Saturday.
D.C. will require people older than 2 to wear masks when they leave the house, one of the strictest mask ordinances in the country, according to a Wednesday announcement by Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D).
Several Republican governors, including Ohio’s Mike DeWine, had opted to mandate masks only in some places but expanded the rules as coronavirus infections have escalated and the public has largely supported face-covering requirements.
Ohio reported 1,527 new cases Wednesday, its third-highest single-day number of infections. Indiana on Wednesday tallied 757 new cases, which was also the state’s highest seven-day average. Minnesota reported 504 infections the same day.
Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb (R) said at a news conference Wednesday afternoon that his mandate will take effect Monday to give time for news of the order to spread among Hoosiers — “hopefully faster than the virus,” he said.
More than 3,000 leading health officials sign letter defending Fauci
More than 3,000 top health officials have signed an open letter criticizing White House efforts to discredit Anthony S. Fauci, the top infectious-disease expert advising the administration in the pandemic.
Drafted by Peter Lurie, a former Food and Drug Administration associate commissioner, and epidemiologist Gregg Gonsalves, the letter praises Fauci’s ability to explain “the complexity of an illness we still don’t fully understand” and to keep science “front and center” in public discourse.
“We need the clear voices of government experts, including Dr. Fauci, to be available to the American public without limitation,” reads the letter, which has signatories including two former Food and Drug Administration commissioners, two former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a former Health and Human Services secretary, a former surgeon general and several leading medical journal editors. “That is the only path that can bring success in our efforts to control the virus.”
In mid-July, the White House circulated a list of what it characterized as mistakes that Fauci, the director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, had made about the pandemic, mostly in the early days when information about the virus was extremely limited. Shortly after, Trump’s chief trade adviser Peter Navarro penned a USA Today op-ed claiming Fauci was “wrong about everything I have interacted with him on.” The White House distanced itself from the piece and released a statement saying it had not been authorized.
Fauci, in an interview with the Atlantic last week, called the attempts to discredit him “bizarre” and counterproductive.
“I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that,” Fauci said. “I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it’s only reflecting negatively on them.”
Congress urged to provide billions of dollars to fix crumbling school buildings that pose threat to safety
A coalition of dozens of education and civic groups are asking Congress to provide billions of dollars in emergency funding to repair aging, crumbling school buildings that are an obstacle to the safe reopening of schools during the coronavirus pandemic.
BASIC, or [Re]Build America’s School Infrastructure Coalition, said in a letter (see below) sent to congressional leaders that there is an urgent need for $10 billion to be targeted to at least 14,000 schools in the highest-poverty communities that are in the poorest physical shape.
“The children and staff returning to schools serving low-income communities are far more likely to be in old and severely deteriorated buildings that are woefully unprepared to operate safely during this health crisis,” the letter says. “Many of these schools in high-poverty communities educate children from families who are essential workers. … These schools and communities are often where broadband and virtual schooling are most deficient.”
United Airlines requires customers to wear masks in airports
Customers flying United Airlines will now have to wear masks in airports, the company announced Wednesday.
Face masks will now be required at airport kiosks, customer service counters, gates and baggage claim areas. United Airlines patrons with United Club access will also need to wear masks.
The company is tightening its rules even further by exempting only children under the age of 2.
The updated rules take effect on Friday.
The airline giant said that customers who refuse to follow the new requirements may not be allowed to travel and could be banned from flying with United Airlines while the order is still effective.
A federal eviction moratorium ends this week, putting 12 million tenants at risk
A federal moratorium that has protected millions of renters from eviction since late March expires Friday, leaving millions of people at risk even as the coronavirus continues to spread across the country.
The moratorium covers renters who live in homes with federally backed mortgages, which the Urban Institute estimates to be 12.3 million households, or about 30 percent of all renters nationwide. Once the moratorium lapses, landlords can give their delinquent tenants 30 days’ notice and then begin filing eviction paperwork in late August.
The expiration of the federal protection comes as state and local eviction bans are also starting to expire and enhanced federal unemployment benefits that kept many renters afloat are scheduled to end. That will put more pressure on renters already scraping by, housing advocates say.
Lowe’s says that employees won’t enforce mask mandate because of safety concerns
Home-improvement giant Lowe’s doesn’t plan to have its employees enforce its new mask mandate out of concern for their safety, the Charlotte Observer reported Tuesday.
Lowe’s was one of a slew of major retailers, including Target, CVS, Kohl’s, Walmart, Kroger and Home Depot, to announce last week that shoppers would have to wear face coverings inside U.S. stores. But mask requirements have proved difficult to enforce, and low-paid retail and service workers typically bear the brunt of customers’ anger. There have been countless examples of shoppers becoming belligerent when asked to wear a mask, and some workers have even been physically assaulted.
Earlier this month, some Starbucks employees told The Washington Post that their managers had warned them to avoid confronting maskless customers. Similarly, CVS said last week that it was “not asking our store employees to play the role of enforcer” for its new mask policy.
At least a dozen maskless shoppers walked into a Lowe’s store outside Charlotte in the span of 10 minutes on Tuesday, the Observer reported. When the paper inquired about the apparent lack of enforcement, a spokesperson said that safety “has been and continues to be” the chain’s priority.
“We will not ask our associates to put their safety at risk by confronting customers about wearing masks, so we are consistently requesting that customers wear masks for the safety of everyone in our stores,” the statement from Lowe’s said.
Dollar Tree and Family Dollar, which are both part of the same company, made masks mandatory for shoppers on July 8 but reversed that policy a week later, saying only that it would “request” face coverings be worn. The company has not explained the reason for the change.
Bolsonaro tests positive again, two weeks after first confirmation of covid-19
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro tested positive for the novel coronavirus for the third time since July 7, Brazil’s Communications Ministry said Wednesday, Reuters reported.
“The test carried out on the president yesterday, on the 21st, showed a positive result,” a statement said. “President Bolsonaro is still in good condition, accompanied by the presidency’s medical team.”
Bolsonaro has repeatedly belittled the virus causing covid-19 as nothing worse than the flu and flouted public health social distancing recommendations. He has also championed hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the novel coronavirus, despite scientific studies that have repeatedly found it is not effective.
Brazil has the world’s second-highest number of confirmed coronavirus infections and fatalities, following the United States. Bolsonaro has repeatedly clashed with the governors of some Brazilian states, who have imposed closures on the local level in the absence of a centralized federal response.
Brazil has reported more than 2 million confirmed coronavirus cases and over 81,000 related deaths. (Source: The Washington Post)
Story Date: July 22, 2020
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Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 23 2020, 09:03AM
this is from the sun
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Big Bear Lake | Population: 5,247
Confirmed cases: 24
Cases per 10,000 residents: 45.7
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Wednesday, July 22
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QuantumBear, Thu Jul 23 2020, 09:08PM
Cali has the most cases in the country,
USA has the most cases in the world.
Countries ban Americans from entering.
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Cornbread, Fri Jul 24 2020, 08:27AM
Maybe America should ban other countries from coming here too
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Airport Razz, Fri Jul 24 2020, 09:21AM
. Seems to me that is what Trump wanted to do at the beggining of the problem and get royally blasted as a racist for such thoughts. No win situtation there. But yes, as bad as it sounds, people just need to stay put for a while. Re: virus pandemonia
ButlerPeakFire, Fri Jul 24 2020, 10:14AM
Trump did do it to some extent and was subsequently called a Racist....
...Then a few weeks later he was criticized for not doing it sooner..
...guess you just cant win.
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Squatch, Fri Jul 24 2020, 07:04PM
Quantum...we can always count on you to regurgitate information and perpetuate the HYPE!
Nice job, as always!
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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 24 2020, 07:30PM
Big Bear City
17
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18
Big Bear Lake
27
0
Sugarloaf
5
0
49 in valley
26,796 county
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Nature, Fri Jul 24 2020, 08:07PM
Thank you Skyline. So 49 now huh. I guess all the bragging we are doing so amazingly well everything should open up and everyone can come on up is starting to show what we always knew was untrue. We do our best to keep politics out of these conversations. Take it to the political thread.
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Quakes🦊, Sat Jul 25 2020, 12:08AM
I got tested today(as requirement for my new job). I will not know the results for at least a week.
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Hooky Bobber, Sat Jul 25 2020, 06:25AM
Sugarloaf
5
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Fawnskin
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Big Bear City
17
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18
Big Bear Lake
27
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7/25 San Bernardino County is now reporting a total of 50 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the Big Bear Valley [Click Here]
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Update #89
COVID-19 Emergency
July 23, 2020 - 4 pm
4 New Cases in Big Bear Valley Over Past Two Days, Incidence Remains Relatively Low Compared to Rest of California
No Significant Change in Hospitalizations
ALL Businesses Need to Be Vigilant In Order to Keep Our Community Safe and Open!
Pine Knot Avenue Businesses Permitted to Occupy Sidewalks and Parallel Parking Spaces, Street Closed to Vehicular Traffic This Weekend
Village Drive Businesses Permitted to Occupy On-Street Parking Spaces, Street Remains Open to Vehicular Traffic This Weekend
More Than 700 Free Public Parking Spaces Available in Village Parking Lots
Multiple Efforts to Increase Testing
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL COVID-19 GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY OF BIG BEAR LAKE
The City of Big Bear Lake is working hard to ensure that the residents, second home owners, investors, businesses, and visitors in our community have the correct information about the status of COVID-19 in Big Bear Lake and the City's response to the COVID-19 event.
This email newsletter is the official guidance from the City of Big Bear Lake, and the City appreciates everyone's adherence to the guidance outlined herein. This email newsletter also serves as the City's official press release regarding the City's COVID-19 response, and press inquiries may be directed to City Manager Frank Rush at 909-866-5832 or via email.
The City issues these COVID-19 updates periodically as significant or new information emerges. To be sure you are receiving the latest and most accurate information, please sign up for this email newsletter by clicking here . PLEASE share this email newsletter with anyone and everyone, as we want to reach as many people as possible with this information. Thank you!
4 NEW CASES IN BIG BEAR VALLEY OVER PAST TWO DAYS, INCIDENCE REMAINS RELATIVELY LOW COMPARED TO REST OF CALIFORNIA
A total of 4 new cases have been reported for Big Bear Valley since the City's last update on July 21.
San Bernardino County is now reporting a total of 38 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the Big Bear Valley since June 1, and this figure represents the estimated maximum number of "active" cases at this time. It is believed, however, that some of these individuals have recovered by now, thus the actual number of "active" cases may be somewhat lower.
There were a total of 9 confirmed cases reported in the Big Bear Valley between mid-March and June 1, thus the cumulative total in the Big Bear Valley is now 47 confirmed cases. Since reporting began in mid-March, there have been 26 confirmed cases in the City of Big Bear Lake, 16 in Big Bear City, 5 in Sugarloaf, and 0 in Fawnskin. Thankfully, there have been no deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the Big Bear Valley.
Over the last two weeks, there have been 27 new cases reported in the Big Bear Valley, which equates to a two-week new case rate of 123 per 100,000 population. This is one of the key metrics used by the State to gauge the current COVID-19 threat in California counties. If the Big Bear Valley was its own county, we would have a lower rate than 40 of the 58 counties in California, and lower than the incidence in all Southern California counties.
The City continues to closely monitor COVID-19 in the City limits, the entire Big Bear Valley, and in San Bernardino County, and will adjust our strategies as necessary and appropriate to keep our community SAFE and keep our community OPEN. City officials are increasingly concerned about the increase in new cases in recent weeks, however, we do not believe it is necessary or prudent at this time to seek the closure of certain segments of our community. The City is currently implementing all applicable restrictions imposed by the State, and, as noted above, we remain fortunate to experience a relatively low incidence of COVID-19 in the Big Bear Valley.
In order to keep our community SAFE and OPEN, it is imperative that all residents, businesses, and visitors WEAR FACE COVERINGS, MAINTAIN PHYSICAL DISTANCE, and PRACTICE GOOD HAND HYGIENE! We all need to do our part to reverse the recent trends, and reduce the number of "active" cases in the Big Bear Valley!
The County now reports a cumulative total of 26,185 confirmed cases in all of San Bernardino County. A total of 222,911 tests have been administered thus far in the County, with 11.7% testing positive for COVID-19. Sadly, a total of 358 people have now died from COVID-19 in San Bernardino County, with 25 deaths reported over the past two days. This data is the most sobering reminder of the threat we all face, and the need for all of us to do our part to keep our community safe.
This data is updated daily at the County's COVID-19 dashboard, and the City encourages everyone to view this site for the most accurate information.
NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN HOSPITALIZATIONS
Because any COVID-19 patients from the Big Bear Valley would likely be treated by other, larger hospitals in San Bernardino County, City officials continue to closely monitor hospitalization and ventilator data in the entire County.
According to the latest County data, there are currently 676 confirmed and suspected COVID-19 patients hospitalized in San Bernardino County. This number has increased from 217 patients on June 1, and 516 patients on July 1. Over the past week, the number of confirmed and suspected COVID-19 patients hospitalized in San Bernardino County has been relatively constant, and has been in the 656 - 699 range each day.
According to the latest County data, there are now a total of 195 COVID-19 patients in intensive care, and this number has also been relatively constant over the past week - ranging from 181 - 200 ICU patients each day. It is important to note that there now a total 178 intensive care beds still available in San Bernardino County. This number has also been relatively constant over the past week, ranging from 143 - 178 ICU beds available each day.
Ventilators remain readily available in San Bernardino County, with a total of 461 currently available. San Bernardino County reports that many hospitals are now utilizing alternative devices, including CPAP and BiPAP devices, to treat COVID-19 patients, and that these devices have been effective in avoiding ventilator use.
ALL BUSINESSES NEED TO BE VIGILANT IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND OPEN!
As the number of local cases continues to rise, it's now more important than ever for ALL Big Bear businesses to double-down on your commitment to keeping your employees, your customers, and our community safe! If we can't do that, we may be forced to close some or all businesses, and no one wants that to happen again!
PLEASE do your part, and be vigilant in your efforts:
adhere to the applicable State guidance for your business, and always err on the side of health and safety,
REQUIRE your employees and customers to wear a face covering in order to work at or enter your business,
arrange your business operations to maximize physical distance between all customers and employees,
wherever feasible, move business operations outdoors,
monitor your employees for possible COVID-19 symptoms, and err on the side of caution by keeping them away from work until a negative test result is obtained and no symptoms are present,
if you have an employee test positive, please follow the guidance located here , and
become a COVID-Compliant business through San Bernardino County's program that will provide up to $2,500 to help your business implement safe practices.
The City is happy to assist any of our businesses with compliance efforts, and City staff are making periodic visits to all Big Bear Lake businesses to educate business owners, offer assistance, and provide free masks.
The City's goal is to work cooperatively with our businesses to keep everyone safe, and also help your business avoid a potential punitive action by State officials. For assistance, please contact City Hall at 909-866-5831 or email us. The City is committed to helping our businesses operate safely and maintain profitability!
PINE KNOT AVENUE BUSINESSES PERMITTED TO OCCUPY SIDEWALKS AND PARALLEL PARKING SPACES, STREET CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THIS WEEKEND
In an effort to promote greater physical distancing and also to provide more options for outdoor dining and retail, the City will close Pine Knot Avenue to vehicular traffic this coming weekend, July 25 - 26. Pine Knot Avenue will be closed between Village Drive and Stone Road from 7 am on Saturday through 10 pm on Sunday, and the entire street will become a pedestrian plaza for this entire time period.
Restaurants on Pine Knot Avenue will be permitted to set up tables for outdoor dining on the public sidewalk directly in front of the restaurant, and also in the parallel parking spaces directly in front of the restaurant. Restaurants may set up tables for wait service, or may simply set up tables for take-out customers to utilize after picking up their food at the restaurant. No permit is required, however, all restaurants must maintain 6 ft. of separation between tables, maintain a safe and clean environment, maintain adequate aisle widths, and must comply with applicable California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC) requirements. The State has established a special COVID-19 permit for the serving of alcohol in outdoor spaces, and a copy of the permit application is available here . If a restaurant secures this special COVID-19 permit from the State, restaurant customers on public sidewalks and public parking spaces may be served alcoholic beverages. If not, restaurant customers on public sidewalks and public parking spaces are limited to non-alcoholic beverages only, and restaurants should seat their customers accordingly.
Retail establishments on Pine Knot Avenue will also be permitted to display merchandise on the public sidewalks and parallel public parking spaces directly in front of their establishment, and must simply maintain a safe and clean environment, and maintain adequate aisle widths. No permit is required.
A summary of the Pine Knot Avenue closure and guidelines for outdoor dining and retail displays is located here , and a map of the closure area is located here. Restaurants and retail establishments may email any questions about setting up on the public sidewalks and public parking spaces, or call City Hall at 909-866-5832 for assistance.
The planned closure is a TRIAL for this coming weekend, and any future closures will be determined by the City Council at a later date.
VILLAGE DRIVE BUSINESSES PERMITTED TO OCCUPY ON-STREET PARKING SPACES, STREET REMAINS OPEN TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THIS WEEKEND
The City is implementing a nearly identical program for outdoor dining and retail displays on Village Drive this weekend, however, Village Drive will remain open for vehicle travel all weekend. In this area, all on-street parking spaces along Village Drive will be closed and made available for outdoor dining and retail displays this weekend, along with an area in the Indian Village parking lot. Public sidewalks will remain open for pedestrians on Village Drive, and may not be utilized for outdoor dining or retail displays.
No permit is required, and a summary of the requirements for restaurants and retail establishments to set up in the Village Drive public parking spaces is located here . A map of the closure area is located here . Restaurants and retail establishments may email any questions about setting up in the public parking spaces on Village Drive or in the Indian Village parking lot, or call City Hall at 909-866-5832 for assistance.
MORE THAN 700 FREE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE IN VILLAGE PARKING LOTS!
Due to the trial closure of Pine Knot Avenue and the public parking spaces on Village Drive this weekend, there will be no on-street parking available along The Village "L". Residents and visitors are encouraged to park in any of City's more than 700 free public parking spaces in public parking lots around The Village.
There are a total of:
89 parking spaces in the Indian Village parking lot between Village Drive and Cameron Drive, right behind Oakside Restaurant,
282 parking spaces in the Bartlett Road parking lot, directly behind the west side of Pine Knot Avenue with a quick cut-through behind the movie theater,
159 parking spaces in the Knickerbocker Road parking lot, directly behind the east side of Pine Knot Avenue, with a quick cut-through behind the Copper Q,
100 parking spaces in the Pennsylvania Avenue parking lot, located one block east of the intersection of Pine Knot Avenue and Village Drive,
49 parking spaces at Veterans Park, located along the lakefront one block east of Pine Knot Avenue, and
30 parking spaces in the Alden Road parking lot located a few blocks east of The Village.
City signs will be deployed this weekend directing the public to these free public parking lots. It's actually quicker to just park in one of these lots and walk to Pine Knot Avenue and Village Drive than it is to circle around looking for an on-street parking spot!
MULTIPLE EFFORTS TO INCREASE TESTING
After recent testing delays, multiple efforts are underway to increase COVID-19 testing in San Bernardino County and the Big Bear Valley.
San Bernardino County expects to implement new testing capabilities next week, with a goal to have 6,000 - 7,000 people tested daily in our County. In recent weeks, the County has averaged approximately 3,000 tests per day, which was considered to be sufficient prior to the recent escalation in COVID-19 cases. The additional County testing capacity is expected to make it easier and quicker to be tested, with quicker results. To make an appointment at a free County test site, please click here .
The City of Big Bear Lake partnered with San Bernardino County to offer free COVID-19 testing events in the Big Bear Valley in April and June, and is currently working to arrange additional free testing events in the Big Bear Valley. Additionally, the City continues to explore other testing strategies aimed at ensuring that our residents can secure a test as soon as needed, with results available as quickly as possible. The sooner we can identify positive cases, the sooner we can isolate those individuals and prevent the spread to others.
If you are experiencing COVID-19 symptoms, please stay away from others until you can get tested - either at a free County site or by contacting your private medical provider, who may have the ability to secure a test sooner.
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Re: virus pandemonia
ROCK, Sat Jul 25 2020, 09:41AM
and we all know the numbers are accurate
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Squatch, Sat Jul 25 2020, 10:47AM
Perfect example on how NOT accurate the numbers are:
Big Bear Lake pop 5,247 cases per 10k 45.7
Absolute BS when everyone knows the population during the summer swells to many, many times that during the summer, especially with all of the people out of work. Even during the week there is an unusually high flow of cars/people into the area right now...
This changes to ratio a ton but some people aren`t savy enough to do the math!
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MtMan, Sat Jul 25 2020, 12:56PM
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Nature, Sat Jul 25 2020, 07:39PM
Community numbers are based on how many people live in that community. That is how it’s done everywhere. It is not based on how many people visit, spend the night, or drive-through. The fact is that the virus is here in Big Bear. It is now also being spread by those who willingly or unwillingly bring it home to loved ones, friends and associates. Willingly would be by those people who refuse to follow the recommendations meant to slow the spread.
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Squatch, Sat Jul 25 2020, 08:23PM
In this example, by your own admission, numbers are based on "set population numbers" not ACTUAL numbers...
Apply this FACT WITH A TON OF MISREPORTED COVID CASES and you end up with "crap data," you and others can blindly believe the numbers without question if you wish, but that would be completely ignorant!
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QuantumBear, Sat Jul 25 2020, 08:48PM
What are available hospital beds based on ?
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Squatch, Sat Jul 25 2020, 08:53PM
QuantumBear wrote ...
What are available hospital beds based on ?
What are available hospital beds based on ?
Thank you for not disappointing us with that ignorant response! Again!
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Nature, Sun Jul 26 2020, 01:10AM
OK, I’m going to try to explain this very simply. Only because there may be one or two people who might be confused by this silly argument. I won’t waste my time on trying to quote specific numbers.
There are X number of “residents”, people who live here full time, in our Big Bear Valley. Got that?
There are X number of COVID-19 “confirmed” cases of those same residents here in our Big Bear Valley. Simple enough? That’s how it works in every community. Have a nice rest of your weekend.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 26 2020, 06:19AM
Back on the third rock from the sun
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San Bernardino County coronavirus cases, deaths
See the latest numbers (represented by circle size), as well as rates relative to population (represented by circle shade), for cities and unincorporated areas.
Fawnskin | Population: 529
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Sugarloaf | Population: 3,141
Confirmed cases: 4
Cases per 10,000 residents: 12.7
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Big Bear Lake | Population: 5,247
Confirmed cases: 28
Cases per 10,000 residents: 53.4
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Big Bear City | Population: 10,838
Confirmed cases: 20
Cases per 10,000 residents: 18.5
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Valley 52
Angelus Oaks | Population: 403
Confirmed cases: 2
Cases per 10,000 residents: 49.6
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Crestline | Population: 8,042
Confirmed cases: 38
Cases per 10,000 residents: 47.3
Deaths: 2
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 2.49
As of: Saturday, July 25
Running Springs | Population: 4,677
Confirmed cases: 14
Cases per 10,000 residents: 29.9
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Lake Arrowhead | Population: 8,131
Confirmed cases: 6
Cases per 10,000 residents: 7.4
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Cedarpines Park | Population: 1,200
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Valley of Enchantment | Population: 1,873
Confirmed cases: 0
Cases per 10,000 residents: 0
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Twin Peaks | Population: 2,502
Confirmed cases: 7
Cases per 10,000 residents: 28.0
Deaths: 1
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 4.00
As of: Saturday, July 25
Rimforest | Population: 762
Confirmed cases: 1
Cases per 10,000 residents: 13.1
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
Blue Jay | Population: 903
Confirmed cases: 6
Cases per 10,000 residents: 66.4
Deaths: 1
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 11.07
As of: Saturday, July 25
Cedar Glen | Population: 743
Confirmed cases: 3
Cases per 10,000 residents: 40.4
Deaths: 0
Deaths per 10,000 residents: 0
As of: Saturday, July 25
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 26 2020, 06:41AM
SQUATCH wrote ...
In this example, by your own admission, numbers are based on "set population numbers" not ACTUAL numbers...
Apply this FACT WITH A TON OF MISREPORTED COVID CASES and you end up with "crap data," you and others can blindly believe the numbers without question if you wish, but that would be completely ignorant!
In this example, by your own admission, numbers are based on "set population numbers" not ACTUAL numbers...
Apply this FACT WITH A TON OF MISREPORTED COVID CASES and you end up with "crap data," you and others can blindly believe the numbers without question if you wish, but that would be completely ignorant!
That’s an algorithm! It allows comparison of different size comminutes with a different population just a tool for tracking.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 26 2020, 06:45AM
MtMan wrote ...
Mask respirator.
Apples oranges
Disclaimer for the lawsuit
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Nature, Sun Jul 26 2020, 08:01AM
In support of Sky, the disclaimer is exactly what they are saying to all of us. Masks are meant to keep you, while you’re wearing it, from spreading it to others. That’s why we are told wearing a mask is being considerate of others and slowing the spread. N-95 masks keep you from getting the virus. That’s why N-95 masks are needed by health professionals while caring for those with Covid. If everyone wears a normal face mask and keeps a safe distance from others it will slow the disease from spreading to each other. Understand?
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MrOwl, Sun Jul 26 2020, 08:12AM
If you have an N95 mask with a valve you are still spreading the virus to others, so don't bother.
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wisteria1, Sun Jul 26 2020, 10:20AM
I have to disagree, Mr. Owl. It's all about the viral load you are either expelling or inhaling with or without facemask. The only analogy that comes to mind is if you have a low sperm count it is not impossible to get someone pregnant, just far less likely. Less swimmers (or viruses), less probability of one reaching a recipient.
And as far as the statistics go, they are, like everything else these days, FUBAR'd and at best accurate-ISH, but better than nothing and as valiant an attempt as any of our systems trying to adapt to a new situation. For example, it was only a week or so ago that they stopped counting everything from GVL to Cedarpines Park as "Crestline" and started listing the various towns individually. Hence, Lake Arrowhead only has 6 cases on the Dashboard but likely some of the previous "Crestline" positives were Arrowhead. As long as you keep things like that in mind, you can get a picture, albeit a bit fuzzy, of what's going on.
And if "I don't wanna wear a facemask" and "but the numbers aren't completely accurate" are the worst problems you're facing these days, you are, in all sincerity, truly blessed.
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 10:50AM
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Jellylorum, Sun Jul 26 2020, 10:53AM
If you have N95 masks with the respiration valve, covering the valve with some tape will help protect others, as well as yourself. Easy modification.
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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jul 26 2020, 11:01AM
MtMan wrote ...
Because they are too ignorant to wear them
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 11:24AM
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jul 26 2020, 12:08PM
Skyline Drive wrote ...
Because they are too ignorant to wear them
MtMan wrote ...
Because they are too ignorant to wear them
Social distancing is not much of an option in a prison's general population. Not saying, releasing (non-violent?) inmates was the best thing to do...
Masks help some, it is not the cure. Rehash the wet farts and molecule sizes of virus, O2 & CO2?
We all here know the views of several members, do we need to be hit over the head w/it on a daily basis?
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 12:57PM
Oh, so maybe I should have asked permission from you to voice an opinion that differs from yours... BTW, haven't posted here in more than a week, if you can't handle a different opinion than yourself's, maybe just ignore it?
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jul 26 2020, 02:07PM
Add something of value for once. You and others are not contributing positive posts. Just silly memes and comments of how your opinions are superior. You do not need my permission to spam here. Have at it bro(s)
MtMan wrote ...
Oh, so maybe I should have asked permission from you to voice an opinion that differs from yours... BTW, haven't posted here in more than a week, if you can't handle a different opinion than yourself's, maybe just ignore it?
Oh, so maybe I should have asked permission from you to voice an opinion that differs from yours... BTW, haven't posted here in more than a week, if you can't handle a different opinion than yourself's, maybe just ignore it?
More trash talk
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 02:50PM
Never said my opinion is superior, you are making things up. Value? That is up to you to decide if there is value but also your opinion as to the value of the subject. Trash talk.....your opinion and not a very value oriented one I may add.
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doo·hick·ey, Sun Jul 26 2020, 03:22PM
If it's not superior, why do you believe in it so passionately?
Shut Up and Fish!
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ArchJohn, Sun Jul 26 2020, 05:53PM
Finally some good news!
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MtMan, Sun Jul 26 2020, 08:07PM
I could ask the same question.
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Deb Doodah, Sun Jul 26 2020, 09:16PM
Guys - take your argument to PM’s. The thread is not the place to have a pissing contest!
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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jul 27 2020, 08:10AM
Big Bear City
21
1
22
Big Bear Lake
29
0
Fawnskin
0
0
Sugarloaf
4
0
55 in the valley
hospital bed population
Confirmed COVID-19 Positive Patients
607
▼ -1% from previous day (613)
Suspected COVID-19 Positive Patients
69
▲ 13.1% from previous day (61)
Surge Capacity Beds in Use
86
▲ 2.4% from previous day (84)
Total Surge Capacity Beds
972
▲ 0.7% from previous day (965
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Re: virus pandemonia
cricket, Mon Jul 27 2020, 09:18AM
It seems the more sick we get the harder the city of big bear lake trys to make it more accommodating to large crowds.
Re: virus pandemonia
QuantumBear, Mon Jul 27 2020, 02:21PM
cricket wrote ...
It seems the more sick we get the harder the city of big bear lake trys to make it more accommodating to large crowds.
It seems the more sick we get the harder the city of big bear lake trys to make it more accommodating to large crowds.
Where's the rep button ?
Re: virus pandemonia
Polar 🌌rbit, Mon Jul 27 2020, 02:40PM
Cueby, please take your political opinions off of your signature.
Re: virus pandemonia
cricket, Mon Jul 27 2020, 03:31PM
60 Cases Now. 24 Big Bear City, 32 Big Bear Lake, 4 Sugarloaf. When is somebody in charge going to do something???
Re: virus pandemonia
doo·hick·ey, Mon Jul 27 2020, 05:07PM
There's not much more to do. It could be worse to just shut the valley all down.
Re: virus pandemonia
cricket, Mon Jul 27 2020, 05:30PM
Why would that be worse? Do you think in 3 months they will be outside chowing down in the cold weather? How will they social distance while waiting for the chair lift? How is that suppose to work? People grabbing at straws and making more people sick. Tell me how the house cleaner for next door can clean and sanitize a huge home for 12 in under an hour. Never see any dirty line s co.e out. If there are machines that will wash and dry a load in under an hour let me know so I can get one.
Re: virus pandemonia
Squatch, Mon Jul 27 2020, 06:58PM
For a change, why don`t you come to the table with some resolutions and ideas instead of adding to the HYPE with negative comments which HELPS absolutely NO ONE!
Re: virus pandemonia
cricket, Mon Jul 27 2020, 09:13PM
There is no hype. This is a viral illness that has potential to kill even healthy people. It is the responsibility of the local government to dissuade too much tourism right niw but instead they are flagging them to come up here. They are not wearing face masks, congregati g, crowding into small unventilated places. The disease is spreading. How about slowing some of that down? What's your big idea?
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 28 2020, 06:53AM
Cricket thanks for bring up those talking points, before they are issues. Alfresco seemed to be the treatment along with separation for the virus. Yip the evening weather will be cooling and throwing a wrench in dinning outside. The Ski areas closed once who knows they may not even open. Like long term valley locals that felt this place is an island separate from flatland BS and that only one or two cases but then the numbers are exploding in this stew pot.
Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 28 2020, 06:54AM
Big Bear City
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Big Bear Lake
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Sugarloaf
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Re: virus pandemonia
Hooky Bobber, Tue Jul 28 2020, 08:01PM
63 Cases Now. 25 Big Bear City, 33 Big Bear Lake, 5 Sugarloaf.
Re: virus pandemonia
BillyJean, Tue Jul 28 2020, 09:39PM
I believe the logic is more along the lines of, if they're coming up anyway, let's do what we can to spread people out more and give them additional space to social distance. Not so much "accommodate", as much as social distancing while supporting local businesses so they don't all shut down. I'm afraid this is the new norm for a while so we should probably get used to it.
As far as masks go, there's a million out there, the ones with the valve are pretty pointless, they fully open when you exhale. But, if they help protect better than zero percent, well, that's better than nothing right? Generally, it helps keep you to you and me to me. IF, there's no harm in wearing one and it helps even the slightest bit then why not.
cricket wrote ...
It seems the more sick we get the harder the city of big bear lake trys to make it more accommodating to large crowds.
It seems the more sick we get the harder the city of big bear lake trys to make it more accommodating to large crowds.
