Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Craig ⭐, Wed Jun 17 2015, 09:47PM

For details on this incident (and updates from scanners and other sources) please visit the incident page located here: [Click Here]



Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Craig ⭐, Wed Jun 17 2015, 09:54PM

Here are some photos of the Lake Fire every hour starting from 4:30pm around the time when the fire started.
Each shot is 1 hour later (4:30pm, 5:30pm, 6:30pm, 7:30pm, 8:30pm, 9:30pm) so you can see the progression. Click on the photo to enlarge them. Notice the big flare up from a spot fire on the 7:30pm image.














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Craig ⭐, Wed Jun 17 2015, 10:10PM

Timelapse from the SanG cam (12 midnight to 10pm). Covers the Lake Fire in Barton Flats that started around 4pm. You will have to fast forward the video about 2/3rds the way to get to the 4pm hour when the fire started. You can really see it spotting a couple hours into the fire.



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Craig ⭐, Wed Jun 17 2015, 10:49PM

10:30PM Fire Snapshot from the San G Cam. As you can see in this photo the eastern flank of this fire is where a lot of the activity is.





Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Craig ⭐, Wed Jun 17 2015, 10:55PM

Forest Service map of where this fire is approximately located. They were just talking about the fire making a run in section 27. You can see the areas and sections in this map. If you hear other sections, then you can locate them on this map. Click the map to enlarge it (you will need to)





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Benny ⭐, Wed Jun 17 2015, 10:58PM

And just for reference the fire started in Area 21, so it's made a pretty good run to the south-east.

Craig (KJ6BCM) wrote ...

Forest Service map of where this fire is approximately located. They were just talking about the fire making a run in section 27. You can see the areas and sections in this map. If you hear other sections, then you can locate them on this map. Click the map to enlarge it (you will need to)






Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Craig ⭐, Wed Jun 17 2015, 11:00PM

The timelapse of the cam pointed at this fire can be found at this link: [Click Here]
It is updated every hour on the hour and it will reset at midnight with the new day.

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mudking82, Wed Jun 17 2015, 11:20PM

Here is another map with more detail. Click on it for the larger version.



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Craig ⭐, Thu Jun 18 2015, 06:13AM

Shot of the Lake Fire as of 06:00 this morning from San G Cam:





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-WINGNUT-, Thu Jun 18 2015, 06:25AM

Here are a couple.









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NShore.Allen, Thu Jun 18 2015, 06:26AM

Satilite



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NShore.Allen, Thu Jun 18 2015, 08:26AM

another shot





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Benny ⭐, Thu Jun 18 2015, 08:33AM

Note the smoke showing up on radar in your screen shot.

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TIREGUY, Thu Jun 18 2015, 10:49AM

Here is a picture from my front yard at 9:15am today.




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Lumber Jill, Thu Jun 18 2015, 01:19PM

stetson creek r sent me this pic that her hubby took at SB airport. The big plane is the VLAT (very large air tanker) DC 10 912. Notice the smoke from our fire in the background. Great shot stetson! Please thank your husband for us!



Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
SCM ALERT🚨, Thu Jun 18 2015, 01:44PM

The plane with the 05 on it's tail is also one of the fire air tankers.

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SCM ALERT🚨, Thu Jun 18 2015, 02:23PM

Fire has made a good run in the East Flats area (Southeast of the intersection of Jenks Lake Road East & Hwy. 38) in the past hour. Here are 2 images to compare - look to the lower right of the pictures:







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SCM ALERT🚨, Thu Jun 18 2015, 03:56PM

Latest Burn map from InciWeb as of 3pm:
(click to enlarge it)






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bills grandson, Thu Jun 18 2015, 04:20PM

amazing pictures. It is a shame they can't react faster, a few planes quickly could really make an impact.

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SCM ALERT🚨, Thu Jun 18 2015, 04:29PM

New Burn Map just issued by the SBNF (from 2pm today):
[Click to Enlarge]





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Regulate, Thu Jun 18 2015, 04:35PM

Is the DC-10 pictured above not working this fire? Too difficult to maneuver in the terrain?

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EKCarlson, Thu Jun 18 2015, 04:42PM

Here is the 12PM overlaid on the 2PM



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SCM ALERT🚨, Thu Jun 18 2015, 04:43PM

Awesome!! Thanks for the overlay EKCarlson!

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Kelaarin, Thu Jun 18 2015, 04:51PM

Me cabin is now firmly within the new perimeter. Stay strong, fire fighters!

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SCM ALERT🚨, Thu Jun 18 2015, 05:43PM

Kelaarin,
Where is your cabin? Do you know the status of it? I haven't been hearing anything related to structures or outbuildings being lost on the scanner.
Thoughts and prayers with you!

Kelaarin wrote ...

Me cabin is now firmly within the new perimeter. Stay strong, fire fighters!



Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Kelaarin, Thu Jun 18 2015, 05:54PM

It's on the Santa Ana South Fork, 1/2 mile upstream (south) from hwy 38 on the river itself. I haven't heard anything about lost structures either, but it'd be one of the first ones to go if the fire runs down that canyon. Judging by the smoke on the webcam, it's pretty close.

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prairiecomm, Thu Jun 18 2015, 05:59PM

"Is the DC-10 pictured above not working this fire? Too difficult to maneuver in the terrain?"

They can navigate like the dickins! Think it was the yosemite fire last year but perhaps not - where Bill Gabbert posted a video of a big plane zooming down a narrow valley. Plus they have a lead plane who pinpoints the route.

It's the wind and smoke that cause problems.

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bills grandson, Thu Jun 18 2015, 06:04PM

These were taken from the Palm Springs side. ugly nightmare in it's second day afraid to see how it will end. It will ruin the 38 experience for me. As I said in chatbox it looks like ash is falling in the little San Bernardino's making it look like it snowed. This could be a trick played by light through the smoke. So far it doesn't look like the smoke is slowing in this valley









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prairiecomm, Thu Jun 18 2015, 06:06PM

re the dc10 & terrain ... this from wildfiretoday:

As many as 10 air tankers were working the fire today, but by mid-afternoon they were all shut down because there were not enough firefighters on the ground to take advantage of the retardant. Eventually most fires will burn through a retardant line, but as it does, it moves more slowly allowing firefighters more leeway to construct fireline on the perimeter. This fire is in a remote, rugged, high elevation area, 6,000 to 9,000 feet — making it difficult for personnel to access and work the fire.

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bills grandson, Thu Jun 18 2015, 06:20PM

to the 501 guests on right now. If you join the site it makes it easier to follow the action and allows you to comment

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©ammy, Thu Jun 18 2015, 07:48PM

Regulate wrote ...

Is the DC-10 pictured above not working this fire? Too difficult to maneuver in the terrain?

I know it made at least one retardant drop before it landed at San Bernardino Tanker Base.

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©ammy, Thu Jun 18 2015, 08:25PM

Here's a view from our place in Fawnskin. You can now see fire approaching Shields Peak - the highest point in the photo. I would estimate the fire is around 9,500 ft. elevation in this picture.
(click on image to enlarge)




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©ammy, Thu Jun 18 2015, 08:35PM

Here's a closer shot of the same area:




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©ammy, Thu Jun 18 2015, 09:00PM

And one more photo, zoomed in a bit more - same area.




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bills grandson, Thu Jun 18 2015, 09:33PM

Went to Desert Hot Springs just before dark. Wind is now blowing smoke towards Palm Springs and covers the whole valley. This also means the fire will change directions and also burn deeper into the wilderness. Because it is wilderness they can't get a dozer line on it's southern flank. And since there is no roads out they are probably not working the Southern side so not much to slow it down. Hopefully they can stop it on the Northern side at 38. A very bleak time for a beautiful area

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©ammy, Thu Jun 18 2015, 09:40PM

Last picture for now. Same view as my previous photos above. This one is a 10 second time exposure.




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yesstiles, Fri Jun 19 2015, 12:12AM

Kelaarin wrote ...

It's on the Santa Ana South Fork, 1/2 mile upstream (south) from hwy 38 on the river itself. I haven't heard anything about lost structures either, but it'd be one of the first ones to go if the fire runs down that canyon. Judging by the smoke on the webcam, it's pretty close.


Well if the fire burns into lower South Fork Canyon, a cabin would be pointless afterward even if it did survive. Without those majestic cedars that have been thriving there for hundreds of years, the place will be a tragedy before the eyes. I can't believe such a beautiful place is burning. Horse Meadow has some of the largest ponderosas I've ever seen. If those go up in smoke too, it will be a disaster worse than any structure fires. So sad.

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Cabin 13, Fri Jun 19 2015, 12:22AM

Kelaarin wrote ...

It's on the Santa Ana South Fork, 1/2 mile upstream (south) from hwy 38 on the river itself. I haven't heard anything about lost structures either, but it'd be one of the first ones to go if the fire runs down that canyon. Judging by the smoke on the webcam, it's pretty close.


Kelaarin- We're on that track too, lucky #13. Have not heard anything about structures but it does sound close. Too close.



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Deeliteful, Fri Jun 19 2015, 08:21AM

Photos from Friday, 6/19 Los Angeles Times here: [Click Here]

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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 08:33AM

Sheriff's Aviation rescues a 74 year old Dana Point hiker just east of the Lake Fire burning in the SB Mountains

DATE/TIME: 6-18-2015/Thursday

INCIDENT: Rescued Hiker

LOCATION: Dry Lake- area of San Gorgonio Mountain

SUSPECT(S): None

VICTIM(S): Stanley Reese, age 74, of Dana Point


SUMMARY:
On June 18, 2015 at approximately 10:30 a.m., Sheriff's dispatch was contacted by the State of California Office of Emergency Services regarding a SPOT device activation from a hiker in the San Gorgonio Wilderness area. The SPOT location was just east of the Lake Fire burning in the Jenks Lake area of the San Bernardino Mountains. Sheriff's Aviation was dispatched to the call due to the remote location and inaccessible terrain.

The crew of sheriff's helicopter 40King5 responded to the area and began looking for the victim. The located was reported as Dry Lake. Upon going on scene, the victim was located in the middle of Dry Lake and appeared to be uninjured. Helicopter 40King5 landed on the dry lake bed and contacted Stanley Reese. He explained that he was on a 3 day backpacking trip that originated from the South fork campground, the area from which the fire originated. Mr. Reese first noticed smoke on Wednesday evening, but was originally unconcerned due to the distance between him and the showing smoke.

On Thursday morning, Mr. Reese noticed that the fire was becoming larger and also noticed it was heading in his direction. At approximately 10:30 a.m., Mr. Reese activated his SPOT beacon to call for help.

Once Mr. Reese was loaded onto 40King5 and leaving the area, the fire had made its way to within 1/4 of a mile of Dry Lake and was continuing to close the distance.

Mr. Reese was transported to Sheriff's Aviation where he was picked up by family members.

Aircraft- 40King5
Pilot- Deputy D. Borgerd
TFO- Deputy J. Scalise

Refer: J. Scalise

Station: Aviation-40

Phone No. (909)252-4100

Case No. YU151690013

JOHN McMAHON, Sheriff-Coroner
San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner Department

Address/Location
SBSD - Headquarters
655 E 3rd St
San Bernardino, CA 92415

Contact
Emergency: 9-1-1
Non-emergencies: 909-387-3700


Source: [Click Here]

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Jelf, Fri Jun 19 2015, 09:10AM

6-25-2015 update
I improved the map by turning on a layer that displays the wind forecast for in about 6 hours. You can also turn on layers with a 12hr and 24hr wind forecast. The wind forecasts are from a NOAA GIS server. The time frames for the wind forecasts are approximate - I will spare you the techy details.

The following link shows an online map of the Lake fire.
[Click Here]

Each time you open this map link it will display the most recent information hosted on government servers.

Click the small green triangle (above the fire) to see a popup with data about this fire.

To (1) see the map legend, (2) learn how to turn other data overlay layers on/off and (3) get more tips for using the map, click the link in the upper left corner that says “About this map”.

Some of the data layers are wind forecasts.

To see high resolution USGS topo maps, change the basemap to “t4 Topo High”.

This online map covers the USA. Zoom and pan to see other fires.

The map is displayed by Gmap4 which is an enhanced Google map viewer I developed. This project is a public service and part of my way to “pay it forward”.

Gmap4 homepage: [Click Here]
Gmap4 default map: [Click Here]

Joseph, the Gmap4 guy

Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 09:26AM

This is a great link! Thank you for sharing!

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stetson creek r, Fri Jun 19 2015, 09:36AM

This photo was posted to Stetson Creek Ranch's Facebook page by Georgi Jayne. It was taken from 2N10, yesterday I think.



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stetson creek r, Fri Jun 19 2015, 09:37AM

Sorry, in the photo I just posted I forgot to mention, it is Shields Peak.

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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 09:39AM

Yes, Shields Peak is the bump on the ridge to the east (left) of the large drainage area.

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prairiecomm, Fri Jun 19 2015, 09:49AM

Jelf wrote ...

The following link shows an online map of the Lake fire.


Nice, thanks.
Question - on the burn history layer, the pale green burn just east of the fire - anyone know how recent that was? (ie, fire'd slow there ...)

J


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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 09:50AM

Fire retardant drop from an air tanker can be seen on the right side of this image from Bens Webcam:
(click on image to enlarge)




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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 09:57AM

Southern California interagency Incident Management Team 1 Lake Fire Update 8:00 AM
Acres Burned: 11,000
Structures Threatened: 400
Containment: 10%
Structures Destroyed: 0
Fire Started: June 17, 2015
Injuries: 0
Cause: Under Investigation
Engines: 88
Crews: 28
Helicopters: 10 (2-T1/7-T2 /1-T3)
Fixed Wing: 5 (1 lead, 3 P2V,1 VLAT)
Water Tenders: 3
Dozers: 1
Total personnel assigned to the Fire: 1224

Big Bear, Calif., June 19, 2015 - The Lake Fire, located in the eastern San Bernardino Mountains near the San Gorgonio Wilderness, is burning in dense old-growth timber on steep slopes and is now at 11,000 acres with current containment at 10 percent.
Last night, the fire moved to the east into the Heart Bar drainage and also south to 10,000 Foot Ridge in the San Gorgonio Wilderness.
Firefighters are focusing their efforts to prevent the fire from crossing Highway 38. Ten engines and a bulldozer will be patrolling in the Morongo Valley and Pioneer town areas today.
Last Night fire crews directly attacked the fires edge and protected structures as it approached Highway 38. Night flying aircraft provided infrared image and water drops. Numerous firefighters arrived through the night to prepare for day operations.
Highway 38 remains closed from Angelus Oaks to Lake Williams. Jenks Lake Road is closed. Evacuations include: Areas east of Angelus Oaks including: Barton Flats, Seven Oaks, Rainbow Lane, Heart Bar, and all cabins and campgrounds in the South Fork area. The American Red Cross has a standby location to address any future sheltering or evacuation center needs.
All Hiking Trails into the San Gorgonio Wilderness Area have been closed due to the proximity of the fire to them. The Pacific Crest Trail (PCT) is closed from Whitewater Preserve to Onyx Summit.
SoCal Team 1, a federal interagency fire team is managing the fire and has set up the Incident Command Post (ICP) at Big Bear High School. Forest Service, San Bernardino County Fire, San Bernardino County Sheriffs and CalFire are working together in unified command.

Contact: Fire Information (909) 383-5688

Information is also available at inciweb.nwcg.gov reference Lake Fire

Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Airport Razz, Fri Jun 19 2015, 10:14AM

Good to see the big boys out today. I wonder if he picked up a lot of mud with this load. There is only about 18" of water in this area of the lake



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Jelf, Fri Jun 19 2015, 11:38AM

prairiecomm wrote ...

Jelf wrote ...

The following link shows an online map of the Lake fire.


Nice, thanks.
Question - on the burn history layer, the pale green burn just east of the fire - anyone know how recent that was? (ie, fire'd slow there ...)

J

Thanks for the kind words.

To answer your question:
1. Put the fire history layer 'on top' of any other layers.
2. Click on the green area.

You will get a popup that has all the attribute data that the GIS server has for the thing that you clicked. That attribute data will include the date of the fire depicted by the green area.

Joseph




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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 11:49AM

I thought we had this fire map in this thread, but either way here it is: [Click Here] It shows hot spots detected by a satellite and gives some perspective of where this fire has burned. Note that this is not an exact perimeter map, but it gives an idea. If you click on the red dots, it will show you the time the hot spot was detected at that location.

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stetson creek r, Fri Jun 19 2015, 12:06PM

Jeff, no one else has answered. I couldn't see the green, but according to the legend, the different greens were between 2001-2006.

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Airport Razz, Fri Jun 19 2015, 12:57PM

Busy day at the airport. Time for some breaks and maintenance, on both the fire crews and the helicopters. Keep up the good work.



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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 01:11PM

Here is a picture with labels for peaks you can see in Ben's webcam image:

(Click on the image to view at full size.)


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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 01:29PM

First-hand account with photos from a couple hikers in the San Gorgonio Wilderness who had to hastily retreat the approaching fire yesterday: [Click Here]

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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 01:42PM

Retardant drop high up on the west side of the fire, as seen from Ben's webcam:

(Click on image to enlarge)



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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 02:07PM

Smoke from this fire is covering the sky in Palm Springs as seen on Ben's Palm Springs Webcam: [Click Here]

(Click on image to enlarge)



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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 02:11PM

This map: [Click Here] has been recently updated with a more accurate perimeter map as of yesterday's date (I don't know what time, though). Note that not everything has burned within the orange shaded area of that map. It's more a map to show the perimeter of the fire.

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Jelf, Fri Jun 19 2015, 02:19PM

stetson creek r wrote ...

Jeff, no one else has answered. I couldn't see the green, but according to the legend, the different greens were between 2001-2006.


I likely answered (see bottom p5) as you were typing

Joseph

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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 02:51PM

Thanks to Sheriff's Aviation and Big Bear and Yucaipa deputies, a lost hiker was rescued from Pipe's Canyon.

DATE/TIME: Friday, June 19, 2015 12:25 p.m.

INCIDENT: Lost Hiker Rescued from Area Affected by Lake Fire

LOCATION: Pipes Canyon, Onyx Peak


SUMMARY:
On Friday, June 19, 2015 at approximately 10:40 a.m., the Big Bear Sheriff’s Station responded to a call of a lost hiker in a forested area near Onyx Summit. It was reported that the 27-year-old male subject, had been hiking for over 24 hours, was blind in one eye and had a broken foot. He did not have any food or water with him and had very low battery life left on his cell phone. The subject stated he could see the Lake Fire and helicopters flying overhead, and that he was engulfed in heavy smoke.

With the assistance of Sheriff’s Aviation and deputies from the Big Bear and Yucaipa Sheriff’s Stations, they located the subject near Pipes Canyon using the latitude and longitude coordinates from his 9-1-1 call. The subject has been transported back to the Incident Command Post at Big Bear High School, where paramedics were standing by to render medical aid.


Refer: Tiffany Swantek, PIO

Station: Big Bear Sheriff’s Station

Phone No. 909-866-0100


John McMahon, Sheriff-Coroner
San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner Department


Source: [Click Here]

Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 19 2015, 02:56PM

Highway 38 info from Caltrans:

(click on image to enlarge)



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©ammy, Fri Jun 19 2015, 04:40PM

Took this photo a few minutes ago from just above Fawnskin. The smoke plume lines up to be just a bit east of the Mission Springs Camprgound/Fish Creek Trailhead area.




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WaveSlider, Fri Jun 19 2015, 06:28PM

That first hand account was crazy!! Those people are lucky!

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Kelaarin, Fri Jun 19 2015, 08:36PM

Smoke plume has reach eastern San Diego county, visible from Chula Vista.

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©ammy, Fri Jun 19 2015, 11:12PM

R and I just got back from a drive up Forest Road 2N10 where we stopped behind Snow Summit for a view of the fire. One thing that was interesting to see - the bulk of what we could see that's burning is high up in the San Gorgonio Wilderness and not down closer to the camps along Jenks Lake Road and Highway 38. (Click on images to enlarge)

This is a 30 second exposure and the crescent in the center of the image, just above the fire, is from one of the night fire helicopters.


It's difficult for me to tell at night, but I think this is one of the west ridges of Grinnel Mountain, and the South Fork (of the Santa Ana River) drainage going up toward Dry Lake is on the right.


Shields Peak is just to the right of center, silhouetted by smoke. To the right of Shields is the West Fork (of Barton Creek) drainage, with fire on both sides of the creek.



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stetson creek r, Sat Jun 20 2015, 04:00AM

Very cool pictures Cammy! I love that you got the helicopter blade in that one.

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Around The Lake, Sat Jun 20 2015, 07:37AM

San G in better times



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Around The Lake, Sat Jun 20 2015, 07:41AM

Lookin down where the fire has now burned



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Lumber Jill, Sat Jun 20 2015, 08:12AM

SAN BERNARDINO MOUNTAINS: Salvation Army seeks supply donations for firefighters

The Press Enterprise
BY BRIAN ROKOS / STAFF WRITER
Published: June 19, 2015 Updated: 1:48 p.m.

The Salvation Army is asking the public to contribute supplies that it is handing out to firefighters who are battling the Lake Fire in the San Bernardino Mountains.

“We’re doing as much as we can, but we need the continued support of others to keep going and provide much-needed services," Lt. Ben Jones of the Salvation Army’s Pine Summit Camp in Big Bear wrote in a news release.

The Salvation Army has provided about 4,000 items including bottles of water, Gatorade, lip balm, baby wipes and snacks. Toiletries including toothbrushes and toothpaste are also needed. The U.S. Forest Service also provides food and supplies to firefighters.

Jones said donating supplies is an opportunity for people to help the firefighters out.

"It's the publics way of actually fighting the fire," Jones said. "It's doing our part for the people protecting out community."

Many of the firefighters battling the Lake Fire have traveled from all over Southern California to lend a hand. Many of them are tent camping at Big Bear High School's recreational field.

"They had to leave their families to protect our families," Jones said. "So while they're here, it would be good for us to be their family, and provide them with what they need."

Bottles of water, individually wrapped snacks, lip balm and baby wipes can be dropped off at Big Bear High School, 351 Maple Lane, Big Bear Lake.

Those wishing to help The Salvation Army monetarily in its short-term and long-term assistance to fire victims, may donate online at inlandempire.salvationarmy.org or by phone at 800-725-2769.

Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Deeliteful, Sat Jun 20 2015, 10:10AM

Not sure if anyone has already posted this, but here is an update from Big Bear Sheriff's Dept at 9:45 am on Saturday [Click Here]

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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat Jun 20 2015, 11:04AM

New Lake Fire perimeter map from 2am today:

(click on image to enlarge)



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Mtngoat John⭐, Sat Jun 20 2015, 11:16AM

A few pictures from this morning
At Seven Oaks TH



A bit further west on Skyline. If you click to enlarge the picture you can see a Sky Crane drop almost dead center of the picture.



From Bellyache Springs Rd.







Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Lumber Jill, Sat Jun 20 2015, 01:03PM

Wow! Your phone takes great pics!

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ROCK, Sat Jun 20 2015, 02:21PM

Lumbe® Jill wrote ...

Wow! Your phone takes great pics!





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BBNona, Sat Jun 20 2015, 06:30PM

Amazing pics everyone. Thx again for all the info. And i loved the pic with the peaks labeled

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©ammy, Sat Jun 20 2015, 09:28PM

Nice photos, John! Thanks for riding up there to get some pictures to share.

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©ammy, Sat Jun 20 2015, 09:38PM

Yesterday evening, One of the DC-10 air tankers (T-912) flew right over our cabin on it's way to the fire:



After it dropped retardant on the fire and headed back to San Bernardino Tanker Base, I took some more photos of it. I couldn't make up my mind on which photo I like best, so I'm posting all 3:

(click on images to enlarge)







And today I got this photo of one of the large helicopters approaching the reservoir at the top of Sow Summit to pick up another load of water:




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©ammy, Sat Jun 20 2015, 09:56PM

Southern California interagency Incident Management Team 1

Lake Fire Update 8:00 PM

Acres Burned: 16,000

Structures Threatened: 500

Containment: 15%

Structures Destroyed: 0

Fire Started: June 17, 2015

Injuries: 0

Cause: Under Investigation

Engines: 121

Crews: 47

Helicopters: 16 (7-T1/7-T2/2-T3)

Fixed Wing:(3 lead plane, 4P2V and 1 VLAT) 8

Water Tenders: 14

Dozers: 7

Total personnel assigned to the Fire: 1875

Estimated Cost: $2,400,000

Big Bear, Calif., June 20, 2015 – Firefighters continue fighting the Lake Fire east of Angelus Oaks in the San Bernardino mountains, working in rough terrain and dense fuels with acreage at 16,000 and containment at 15 percent.

The 40 acre spot was controlled and worked to insure containment today.

Fire within the wilderness is low intensity allowing the firefighters to gain safe ground to effectively attack the fire. Overall the growth of the fire is slow. Additional efforts include hose lays and retardant and water drops from aircraft.

Tonight portions on the southern edge of the fire may be visible to communities of Forest Falls. Crews will continue to work through the night and morning on containment efforts.

No additional structures are threatened; the change in “structures threatened” from 400 to 500 is a result of a more accurate field assessment.

The San Bernardino Mountains are currently under a heat advisory until 7 p.m. Sunday. Smoke continues to impact the surrounding areas. Residents affected by the smoke can check air quality information at [Click Here] or [Click Here]

Highway 38 remains closed from Angelus Oaks to Lake Williams. Jenks Lake Road is closed. In Big Bear, Maple Lane is closed for fire equipment. Evacuations include: Areas east of Angelus Oaks including: Barton Flats, Seven Oaks, Rainbow Lane, Heart Bar, and all cabins and campgrounds in the South Fork area. The American Red Cross has a standby location to address any future sheltering or evacuation center needs.

All hiking trails into the San Gorgonio Wilderness Area are closed due to fire proximity. The Pacific Crest Trail (PCT) is closed from Whitewater Preserve to Onyx Summit.

Contact: Fire Information (909) 383-5688

Information is also available at inciweb.nwcg.gov reference Lake Fire

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©ammy, Sat Jun 20 2015, 10:12PM

From L.A. county fire on Twitter: View of the #LakeFire from 20,000 ft
Source: [Click Here]

I believe this photo was taken today. Some perspective on this photo: San Gorgonio Peak is just out of the frame on the right side. Charlton Peak is the roundish mountain just right of center. Dollar Lake Saddle is the low point on the ridge just west of Charlton. Just above & to the left from Dollar Lake Saddle you can see a couple of small areas of smoke near an area called Red Rock Flat. Further west from there is a larger "slop over" - area where the fire went over the ridge - in what looks to me to be between High Meadow Springs and Shields Flat. Note the ridge low down in the foreground of this photo. Forest Falls is down behind that ridge.




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stetson creek r, Sun Jun 21 2015, 08:56AM

This is the latest InciWeb map. I couldn't find a legend, but this one has more data than the previous ones. It looks like maybe the black section of the perimeter is what is contained. I'm not sure though. Is anyone else familiar with this style of map? Do you know what the other icons mean?



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heyjude, Sun Jun 21 2015, 09:10AM

Stetson, I haven't been able to find a legend for this map either. Anybody?

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Lumber Jill, Sun Jun 21 2015, 09:18AM

This is a great map! Too bad they didn't include the legend or a source. It makes sense that the black is the contained areas. You can see the symbols for where they dip for water at Jenks and Summit. I believe the hashmarks near Hartbar are where dozers have cut a fire break. The circles with the arrows MAY be handcrews

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heyjude, Sun Jun 21 2015, 09:21AM

Thanks so much Jill!

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Lumber Jill, Sun Jun 21 2015, 09:37AM

What I've found so far...this is an operations map. Below is a legend for a DIFFERENT operation map (Salmon River Idaho) and from that I think we can infer:

)( Division
][ Branch
Red hashed line-uncontrolled burn
Black line-controlled fire edge
Yellow triangle with an S - safe zone
H in a circle AND blue dots- helibase
R is a circle - repeater

I believe the green line is the wilderness boundary





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stetson creek r, Sun Jun 21 2015, 09:45AM

Oh Jill, that is great! Thank you!

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Lumber Jill, Sun Jun 21 2015, 09:52AM

I added to my above post that Cammy says the blue dots are also helibases

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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 21 2015, 11:06AM

Lumbe® Jill wrote ...

What I've found so far...this is an operations map. Below is a legend for a DIFFERENT operation map (Salmon River Idaho) and from that I think we can infer:

)( Division
][ Branch
Red hashed line-uncontrolled burn
Black line-controlled fire edge
Yellow triangle with an S - safe zone
H in a circle AND blue dots- helibase
R is a circle - repeater

I believe the green line is the wilderness boundary






Here's the actual division map.
CLICK TO ENLARGE



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Craig ⭐, Sun Jun 21 2015, 11:53AM

Lake Fire Update from USFS as of Sunday morning (see attached PDF):


lake_fire_update_6-21_am.pdf

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Lumber Jill, Sun Jun 21 2015, 12:08PM

Isn't that the same map? The one we were trying to interpret the symbols for?
Benny (N6BWX) wrote ...

Lumbe® Jill wrote ...

What I've found so far...this is an operations map. Below is a legend for a DIFFERENT operation map (Salmon River Idaho) and from that I think we can infer:

)( Division
][ Branch
Red hashed line-uncontrolled burn
Black line-controlled fire edge
Yellow triangle with an S - safe zone
H in a circle AND blue dots- helibase
R is a circle - repeater

I believe the green line is the wilderness boundary






Here's the actual division map.
CLICK TO ENLARGE





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Mtngoat John⭐, Sun Jun 21 2015, 12:58PM

Here are a few pictures from today. What a difference 24 hrs makes.
This from an undisclosed location, goats have a tendency not to be able to read very well.




This one specifically for Cammy




Same local as the one yesterday that I mentioned the water drop.



Back at Bellyache Springs Rd.



This must be what has taken off. Started as a small puff of black smoke at about 10:50 this picture was taken at 11:04




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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 21 2015, 01:08PM

Yep, I just wanted to see the key with the map. I also didn't see the map on the previous page so I bumped it.
Lumbe® Jill wrote ...

Isn't that the same map? The one we were trying to interpret the symbols for?
Benny (N6BWX) wrote ...

Lumbe® Jill wrote ...

What I've found so far...this is an operations map. Below is a legend for a DIFFERENT operation map (Salmon River Idaho) and from that I think we can infer:

)( Division
][ Branch
Red hashed line-uncontrolled burn
Black line-controlled fire edge
Yellow triangle with an S - safe zone
H in a circle AND blue dots- helibase
R is a circle - repeater

I believe the green line is the wilderness boundary






Here's the actual division map.
CLICK TO ENLARGE







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©ammy, Sun Jun 21 2015, 04:06PM

Mtn.goat John wrote ...

This one specifically for Cammy






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©ammy, Sun Jun 21 2015, 04:13PM

Here are some photos I got of some of the air tankers on the fire this afternoon:

Tanker 911 - one of the DC-10's


Tanker 912 - the other DC-10 that was working the fire today


I hadn't seen this tanker before so I had to look it up. It's Tanker 105 - an MD87 - and R found out it can hold 4,000 gallons of retardant.


T-912


Tanker 44 an old P2V


912 again


And one more of 912


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Mtngirl2, Sun Jun 21 2015, 04:21PM

Great pics! Thanks for sharing.


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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 21 2015, 04:59PM

That is awesome Roger thx. I hadn't seen the md80, or 87 in action yet!

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NShore.Allen, Sun Jun 21 2015, 05:12PM

Wow, an actual air force. The MD-87 is pretty capable.

Nice pics Cammy.

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Craig ⭐, Sun Jun 21 2015, 09:10PM

I created a Timelapse from Bens San G Cam that covers the start of the Lake Fire on Wednesday all the way through 6pm tonight (see below).
Direct Link: [Click Here]



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Benny ⭐, Sun Jun 21 2015, 09:15PM

Ordinarily I would put this in the weather forum but it's rather pertinent to the current fire situation. Later in the week high pressure settles into the four corners, it's typical placement through the summer months which with the annual shift in the trade winds to our south (monsoon) we could see a south-southeasterly flow develop, drawing in subtropical moisture for our first round of afternoon showers & thunderstorms.

Granted we saw this a couple weeks back but that was from low pressure moving through, not the monsoon flow.

Of course it's the ole double edged sword, we'll see an increase in humidity with possible rainfall, but heavy rain could now mean flash flooding & debris flow. With thunderstorms also comes strong, erratic winds with lightning, so we'll hope for the best!





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©ammy, Sun Jun 21 2015, 10:24PM

Thanks for posting that here, Ben.
And to add one more thing - with winds from the Southeast, we here in Big Bear will likely smell more smoke than we have been, of course, depending on just how much smoke this fire is putting up by then. Hopefully it's a minimal amount.

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stetson creek r, Mon Jun 22 2015, 02:40AM

I just noticed this map on InciWeb. It says it is from 1400 yesterday, but was posted later than that. Looks like the fire made a run at Coon Creek Cabin. The firefighters are ready for it.



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stetson creek r, Mon Jun 22 2015, 02:42AM

Here is Coon Creek Cabin from yesterday. Wrapped and ready to be sprayed with fire protection stuff.



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rockbadger, Mon Jun 22 2015, 06:28AM

amazing

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bills grandson, Mon Jun 22 2015, 06:32AM

stetson creek

glad you dodged this fire. worried for you the first few days

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stetson creek r, Mon Jun 22 2015, 07:35AM

Thanks BG! We've been worried too.

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KK, Mon Jun 22 2015, 07:59AM

I am so happy that they are trying to save the cabin! I thought it was already gone.

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Kev250R, Mon Jun 22 2015, 10:01AM

Me too! I was there for the first time last 4th of July and was really impressed by what a great place it is! I really hope they are able to save it.

Kevin

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SCM ALERT🚨, Mon Jun 22 2015, 10:08AM

Morning Update for 6/22/2015

Incident: Lake Fire Wildfire

Southern California interagency Incident Management Team 1

Lake Fire Update June 22, 2015

8:00 AM

Acres Burned: 17,305

Containment: 21%

Structures Threatened: 500

Structures Destroyed: 0

Fire Started: June 17, 2015

Injuries: 0

Cause: Under Investigation

Engines: 131

Crews: 50

Helicopters: 16 (7-T1/7-T2/2-T3)

Fixed Wing:(3 airtankers, 4 guide planes and 2 VLAT) 9

Water Tenders: 16

Dozers: 7

Total personnel assigned to the Fire: 1932

Estimated Cost: $6,800,000

Big Bear, Calif., June 22, 2015 – Firefighters had a busy night on the 17,305 acre Lake Fire east of Angelus Oaks in the San Bernardino Mountains and have contained it at 21 percent.

On the northeast boundary, the fire remains south of 1N02. The Coon Creek campground and historic cabin have not been affected by the fire. Significant spotting occurred east of the Coon Creek area. Firefighters continue to focus their efforts in this area. This edge of the fire is 8 miles west of Pioneertown. The community is not threatened but fire engines and dozers remain on standby in the area to reassure the residents.

Crews are cutting down hazardous trees in Barton Flats and along Highway 38. Most of the lines completed are in the Jenks Lake area and within the drainages along Highway 38. Highway 38 remains closed because of the hazard tree work and the heavy equipment moving in and through the area.

Hand-crews are working at the top of Big Falls Creek near Forest Falls. Line construction is going well, however smoke may be visible for several weeks. The fire is burning in isolated pockets of vegetation along 10,000 Foot Ridge. Little fire movement is expected due to the open granite exposures of the San Gorgonio Wilderness.

The fire is burning in occasional patches of heavy vegetation on the southeastern perimeter, but has made no significant runs in this area for several days. Fire personnel remain in the area on stand-by for Morongo Valley residents.

Temperatures are slightly cooler today, up to 82 degrees in the fire area. Humidity will be in the 10 to 15 percent range. Light winds of 5 mph or less are expected in the morning and may increase to 10 mph in the afternoon with gusts up to 25 mph on the ridgetops.

Closures:

Highway 38 from Angelus Oaks to Lake Williams.

Jenks Lake Road

Maple Lane in Big Bear Lake (for fire equipment movement)

All hiking trails into the San Gorgonio Wilderness

Pacific Crest Trail from Whitewater Preserve to Onyx Summit

Evacuations remain in effect:

All areas east of Angelus Oaks including: Barton Flats, Seven Oaks, Rainbow Lane, Heart Bar, and all cabins and campgrounds in the South Fork area.

Fire Information (909) 383-5688 and online at inciweb.nwcg.gov (Lake Fire)

Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
Lumber Jill, Mon Jun 22 2015, 10:53AM

Looks like the cabin is wrapped in a product like this: [Click Here] Expensive, but reusable and no messy clean-up like gel

stetson creek r wrote ...

Here is Coon Creek Cabin from yesterday. Wrapped and ready to be sprayed with fire protection stuff.





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SCM ALERT🚨, Mon Jun 22 2015, 11:44AM

This morning's fire perimeter map is below. Note this map has a black line showing the area with controlled line:

(click on image to enlarge)



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SCM ALERT🚨, Mon Jun 22 2015, 12:27PM

Donations to Firefighters

Incident: Lake Fire Wildfire

We would like to thank everyone who donated food and goods to our firefighters. There was an overwhelming response and we appreciate your support. However, we are overwhelmed with your donations and can no longer accept your thoughtful support.

This firefighting camp, like all other Forest Service fire camps, is self-contained. We are able to supply everything our firefighters need.

It’s always wonderful to be appreciated for the work we do; it’s part of what makes being a firefighter a rewarding job. There are many ways to show your appreciations to our firefighters - certainly moving a high school graduation for fire camp, was one of them! Homemade signs around town where the firefighters drive by are another way to get your message across. Your support and appreciation has been received and we are glad to do this work. We encourage you to consider other outlets for your generosity, including local food pantries, shelters, or one of the many well-known charities.

Source: [Click Here]

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stetson creek r, Mon Jun 22 2015, 12:50PM

These photos of the Aspen Grove were just shared on the Angelus Oaks Facebook page. Pretty heartbreaking!

Photo credit 4P5


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stetson creek r, Mon Jun 22 2015, 12:52PM

More of the Aspen Grove.



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stetson creek r, Mon Jun 22 2015, 12:54PM

Aspen Grove.


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stetson creek r, Mon Jun 22 2015, 12:54PM

Aspen Grove


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Lumber Jill, Mon Jun 22 2015, 01:02PM

Heart breaking! Aspens have deep root systems and will come back, but it will take time.

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blank, Mon Jun 22 2015, 01:34PM

As they were in fall...





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NShore.Allen, Mon Jun 22 2015, 01:44PM

stetson creek r wrote ...

These photos of the Aspen Grove were just shared on the Angelus Oaks Facebook page. Pretty heartbreaking!

Photo credit 4P5



I was expecting nothing but ash. Looks like there's some tree structure remaining.. with their deep roots the leaves will be back!


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Hooky Bobber, Mon Jun 22 2015, 08:08PM

I was listening to the scanner audio on Big Bear Scanners of the 3 PM 6/16 archive, the fire lookout at Killer Peak calls with visible smoke, and reference to it as the Poop out incident was still active . Was there a fire already in the area that day, before it blows up? The audio plays at about 11 minutes into it.
Audio 6/16 @ 3 PM
[Click Here] Comments are at 11 minutes in


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©ammy, Mon Jun 22 2015, 08:11PM

A bunch of fire helicopters from last night at Big Bear Airport and overhead today:

(click on images to enlarge)

Our very own San Bernardino National Forest Helicopter 534 from Heaps Peak











How many helicopters do you see?











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SCM ALERT🚨, Wed Jun 24 2015, 07:41AM

Morning update: 17,555 acres, 38% contained. This morning's fire perimeter map:



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M&MBigBear, Wed Jun 24 2015, 03:58PM

Here are a couple of pictures from my brother-in-law's, parent's home on Rainbow Lane.







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bills grandson, Wed Jun 24 2015, 05:38PM

These are from Desert Hot Springs. The whole East end is wide open. Burning down hell for sure canyon. Can't be fought until whitewater. The rest is either on the cliffs or on the way down to the desert. Even Onyx side is uncontrolled. Terrible day.







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blank, Wed Jun 24 2015, 05:42PM

Coon Creek Cabin au natural.







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Craig ⭐, Wed Jun 24 2015, 05:48PM

Photo of the Lake Fire from PioneerTown






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NShore.Allen, Wed Jun 24 2015, 06:46PM

Whitewater hasn't burned is a looooong time... The wildlife conservancy has some developments from the trout farm down to Bonnie Bell.. My aunt's adobe home now belongs to the conservancy, hope they are prepared.

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bills grandson, Wed Jun 24 2015, 06:52PM

The bottom end burns pretty often. I don't remember it ever burning above the trout ponds. Rough country back there. Not sure where they would make a stand. It would be nice to have the water from the hatchery, but it is pretty tight in there

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©ammy, Wed Jun 24 2015, 07:02PM

Updated fire perimeter map from the Forest Service:

(click on image to enlarge)



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Kev250R, Wed Jun 24 2015, 07:14PM

Were those pictures of Coon Creek Cabin taken today? I'm hoping that it was spared, the last picture I saw of it was posted a couple of days ago when it had been 'Saran Wrapped' for lack of a better term. Really neat place, I just stumbled across it a year ago when a friend and I were riding dual-sport MC's in the area and wanted to see where 1N02 went. What went from being a side-trip quickly turned into one of our favorite destinations on the mountain! I hope it was saved.

Kevin

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©ammy, Wed Jun 24 2015, 07:19PM

The date on those pictures is from October 8, 2013, but I have no idea if the date stamp was accurate.

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bills grandson, Wed Jun 24 2015, 07:25PM

Here is a little history on the cabin and hart bar posted today on another site


Big Bear and Mountain Communities History Discussion









Jonni Kimball Vindiola
June 24 at 4:09pm



The spirit of my grandfather would like to thank those brave firefighters for saving "Coon Creek Cabin" from the Lake Fire! That building was significant because it was built in 1944 from 3 forty-year-old schoolhouse cabins which had been built by Bill Knickerbocker in Big Bear. He numbered each log and reassembled them at his Hidden Acres Ranch at the Coon Creek Jump Off. Bless each and every firefighter!






Dennis Knickerbocker I didn't know it had been there that long. He was pretty bright with that whole deal. As I hear it he bought the land. Sold the lumber rights and got his money back. Leased an area for a tower to get radio and TV bounced into Yucca Valley and got free power and T.V. in the deal. Then donated most of the property. I don't know what he got out of that deal. I didn't know my grandfather was in on the move. Thanks




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Around The Lake, Wed Jun 24 2015, 08:18PM

Great story

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heyjude, Wed Jun 24 2015, 08:47PM

I love the business card!


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©ammy, Wed Jun 24 2015, 09:46PM

Thanks for sharing that history, bills grandson!

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bills grandson, Wed Jun 24 2015, 09:47PM

I don't understand why this always seems to happen on the larger fires. I understand that there are a lot of resources that could be used elsewhere, and the guys are tired but they start moving the guys and planes around and the fire takes off again. If it were just once I could see it but every time?
Wouldn't it be prudent to keep them around a little longer and do a little mop up? How much would have been saved?

[Click Here]

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©ammy, Wed Jun 24 2015, 09:51PM

With all the activity on the east side of the fire today, it seems like it's moved pretty far from where it started. And it definitely has! From our cabin in Fawnskin, we have a view of the San Gorgonio Wilderness above and south of the fire's origin. And this was the view tonight about an hour ago.

(click on image to enlarge)



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Benny ⭐, Wed Jun 24 2015, 09:59PM

©ammy wrote ...

With all the activity on the east side of the fire today, it seems like it's moved pretty far from where it started. And it definitely has! From our cabin in Fawnskin, we have a view of the San Gorgonio Wilderness above and south of the fire's origin. And this was the view tonight about an hour ago.

(click on image to enlarge)



Wow, impressive!

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©ammy, Wed Jun 24 2015, 10:13PM

This is the area that had the most smoke on the west side today.

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©ammy, Wed Jun 24 2015, 10:30PM

I finally got a picture of this helicopter. It's been behind too many vehicles at the airport. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it's one of the night flying fire helicopters. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.




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bills grandson, Wed Jun 24 2015, 11:09PM

Cammy
is that a cobra, or an Apache? I was wondering what they were. I have not found a lot of information on them. I think that is the smartest thing they have done in quite awhile. I hope they work out. Any info on the drone today? I understand KFI has one the news people use. That is crazy flying them in there. Glad they didn't have them when I was a kid.

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NShore.Allen, Thu Jun 25 2015, 05:38AM

Looks like a cobra

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LupinOne, Thu Jun 25 2015, 05:56AM

That's a Cobra helo. Very nice FLIR package.

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bills grandson, Thu Jun 25 2015, 08:31AM

I love the cobra. Fantastic nasty looking weapon. If it works as well for firefighting it should be great. I don't remember ever seeing one hover though?
The fire made a heck of a run yesterday, not what I had expected. If it is past pipes canyon it has a lot of room to maneuver Next best chance to stop it coming West should be Juniper Springs and broom flats. if it goes South West from there it could be bad. Lots of fuel in there. I'll get out soon and get some pictures of how it looks from this end today.

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SCM ALERT🚨, Thu Jun 25 2015, 09:56AM

SCM member JGreen (KK6HKT) just posted this Link to Fire Preparedness Checklist in the chatbox: [Click Here]

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NShore.Allen, Thu Jun 25 2015, 11:22AM

From then AC



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bills grandson, Thu Jun 25 2015, 12:30PM

just got back from over 100 miles getting a look at the East end of the fire

this is from East of Desert Hot Springs. The left plume is above Whitewater, on the right is near Pionertown. Compare this to yesterday's picture to see how much it has traveled





This is from West of Desert Hot Springs just heading up to Morongo valley






This is looking up the pioneer town road off 247. The fire is burning down burns canyon. This one is very disturbing






This is near the hatchery in Whitewater canyon five miles from the freeway




This one is the pioneer town front from The freeway South of DHS on my way home. We have known fires make their own weather. This usually means winds. But you can see at the top of the plume it is gathering moisture and making a cloud.





Re: Lake Fire (Big Bear - Barton Flats) - Discussion - Photos - etc
SCM ALERT🚨, Thu Jun 25 2015, 12:32PM

Thank you for taking the time to get those photos from your side of the fire and for sharing them here with us.

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kestrel242, Thu Jun 25 2015, 12:55PM

Can anyone in Big Bear can comment on the air quality? I'm thinking of visiting Snow Summit on Sunday to go mountain biking but the AQMD website doesn't seem to have a particulate detector in the area.

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Lumber Jill, Thu Jun 25 2015, 12:57PM

It's clear at the moment, because it's breezy. Know that that can change at a moments notice, so I can't tell you what it'll be like this afternoon, let alone Sunday
kestrel242 wrote ...

Can anyone in Big Bear can comment on the air quality? I'm thinking of visiting Snow Summit on Sunday to go mountain biking but the AQMD website doesn't seem to have a particulate detector in the area.



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Craig ⭐, Thu Jun 25 2015, 12:58PM

Thanks for the Photos BG!
Kestrel, The Big Bear Air Quality varies. The eastern portions have some smoke but not bad at all. Big Bear City westward appears to have pretty good air quality. By Sunday anything can change so who knows what it will be like that day. The winds are still blowing the smoke/fire away from Big Bear but if the wind changes, the smoke could be blowing right into Big Bear.

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bills grandson, Thu Jun 25 2015, 01:02PM

***SCM ALERT***

no problem it got me out of the house. Not the best thing but I like to see history as it develops and this is amazing, ugly, and beautiful all at the same time. I even went up to the base of the tram. Considered riding it up to get a picture from there. I haven't ridden the new gondola. I will try to get some from near home this afternoon

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bills grandson, Thu Jun 25 2015, 01:05PM

The smoke seems to be heading East North East towards Landers and rising Yucca valley was clear. I image a lot will flow downhill into the wally just with gravity. People with breathing problems should stay indoors

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Benny ⭐, Thu Jun 25 2015, 01:18PM

My little webcam that could has gone global and will be seen on Getty Images;
Australian Associated Press;Canadian Press;
Press Association (UK);
Aflo (Japan);
Czech News Agency;
Agence France Presse;
Nippon News;


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Lumber Jill, Thu Jun 25 2015, 01:20PM

Wow! Congratulations! It's only been...what?...15 yrs of hard work to get to this point?!

Benny (N6BWX) wrote ...

My little webcam that could has gone global and will be seen on Getty Images;
Australian Associated Press;Canadian Press;
Press Association (UK);
Aflo (Japan);
Czech News Agency;
Agence France Presse;
Nippon News;




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bills grandson, Thu Jun 25 2015, 01:33PM

Benny

talk about being the right place at the right time. Or is that wrong place? After this mess I think we should start a drive to get more webcams for you. I would like to see one on Onyx, one on Bertha, and most of all on Butler. all 360 degree ability. I will try to get one here that can go between San G and San jac. if you keep pushing the You tubes can you get money from that?

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Lumber Jill, Thu Jun 25 2015, 01:34PM

The problems are power and internet access

bills grandson wrote ...

Benny

talk about being the right place at the right time. Or is that wrong place? After this mess I think we should start a drive to get more webcams for you. I would like to see one on Onyx, one on Bertha, and most of all on Butler. all 360 degree ability. I will try to get one here that can go between San G and San jac. if you keep pushing the You tubes can you get money from that?



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JeffS, Thu Jun 25 2015, 02:36PM

@ Benny....I've used your website for years for climbing at Holcomb Valley and I appreciate all you put into that site.....I agree with above poster wish we could get you more webcams.

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Benny ⭐, Thu Jun 25 2015, 03:05PM

Thanks guys. I have quite a few already, but would like to get one over on Onyx or even Bertha Peak. Will look into it.

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bills grandson, Thu Jun 25 2015, 03:31PM

A small solar panel should take care of part of the problem. I don't know about internet. It would sure be sweet, and beautiful. I have thought for a long time a system on the look outs that could spot infra red or just be used to get a fix on location would be a big help. With two or three towers you could triangulate immediately.

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NShore.Allen, Thu Jun 25 2015, 04:55PM

Driving back DTH I heard the drone from yesterday was 4ft wide flying at 11,000 ft.

That's pretty sophisticated for a hobby. Maybe a TV station?

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Benny ⭐, Thu Jun 25 2015, 05:15PM

NShore.Allen wrote ...

Driving back DTH I heard the drone from yesterday was 4ft wide flying at 11,000 ft.

That's pretty sophisticated for a hobby. Maybe a TV station?

Yeah that's a real drone and not your basic quad copter... idiots.

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kestrel242, Thu Jun 25 2015, 05:48PM

Got it. Many thanks. If you don't mind Craig, I may hit you up on Saturday for your impressions.

Craig (KJ6BCM) wrote ...

Thanks for the Photos BG!
Kestrel, The Big Bear Air Quality varies. The eastern portions have some smoke but not bad at all. Big Bear City westward appears to have pretty good air quality. By Sunday anything can change so who knows what it will be like that day. The winds are still blowing the smoke/fire away from Big Bear but if the wind changes, the smoke could be blowing right into Big Bear.



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bills grandson, Thu Jun 25 2015, 06:11PM

during one of the fires they were using a "real" drone for mapping the fire. But I think it was after the planes quit for the day, maybe even at night

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Craig ⭐, Thu Jun 25 2015, 08:04PM

Kestrel, please do! Send me a PM so I don't miss you!!

kestrel242 wrote ...

Got it. Many thanks. If you don't mind Craig, I may hit you up on Saturday for your impressions.

Craig (KJ6BCM) wrote ...

Thanks for the Photos BG!
Kestrel, The Big Bear Air Quality varies. The eastern portions have some smoke but not bad at all. Big Bear City westward appears to have pretty good air quality. By Sunday anything can change so who knows what it will be like that day. The winds are still blowing the smoke/fire away from Big Bear but if the wind changes, the smoke could be blowing right into Big Bear.





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SCM ALERT🚨, Fri Jun 26 2015, 01:00PM

Ben's camera just caught one of the sky cranes:




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Benny ⭐, Fri Jun 26 2015, 06:01PM

Great shot! With the return of the monsoon flow we've obviously seen humidity climb and even some scattered light showers/sprinkles over the area. This may continue into Saturday before we get into a chance of afternoon and thunderstorms Sunday; with more widespread storms and locally heavy rainfall possible Monday & Tuesday. Good news!





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stetson creek r, Fri Jun 26 2015, 08:08PM

Is this a rainbow on the BennyCam? A sign of hope, that this fire is almost over?



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Benny ⭐, Sat Jun 27 2015, 12:00AM

That is absolutely a rainbow, a good sign!

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bills grandson, Wed Jul 01 2015, 10:41AM

I haven't heard any speculation on the cause of the fire yet.
I know they have to dot the t's and cross the i's but I would bet dollars to donuts they not only know the cause but know who is responsible.
I know the area within a few feet of where it started. It is an informal trailhead with no real organization. My thoughts are it was an unattended campfire. Although I never can understand a campfire in the middle of summer. No doubt they were on a hike when the fire started and they would have left a vehicle very near the point of origon, and had probably not returned..
Although it could have been arson I doubt it. Not the best place for that.
This is just my best guess and we will have to wait. I cannot understand how anyone can be so careless


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Lumber Jill, Wed Jul 01 2015, 10:47AM

What, exactly, is the point of speculating? Why not just wait for the official announcement when it is made.
bills grandson wrote ...

I haven't heard any speculation on the cause of the fire yet.
I know they have to dot the t's and cross the i's but I would bet dollars to donuts they not only know the cause but know who is responsible.
I know the area within a few feet of where it started. It is an informal trailhead with no real organization. My thoughts are it was an unattended campfire. Although I never can understand a campfire in the middle of summer. No doubt they were on a hike when the fire started and they would have left a vehicle very near the point of origon, and had probably not returned..
Although it could have been arson I doubt it. Not the best place for that.
This is just my best guess and we will have to wait. I cannot understand how anyone can be so careless




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bills grandson, Wed Jul 01 2015, 11:20AM

I'm sure there are inquiring minds who are wondering why the delay. I have seen fires that I am not sure we ever got a cause for.
I put plenty of disclaimers saying it was just my opinion of the cause. Do you find any fault of my guess? As much as I don't like some of what is done that area could use a little organization. If it has not changed since I was there it is just a semi open area. Not even a yellow post site. Meant I am sure just for day hikes at most.
It will be interesting for me to see how close I come. But I will bet they knew within hours the cause.

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Lumber Jill, Wed Jul 01 2015, 11:36AM

PM'd you

bills grandson wrote ...

I'm sure there are inquiring minds who are wondering why the delay. I have seen fires that I am not sure we ever got a cause for.
I put plenty of disclaimers saying it was just my opinion of the cause. Do you find any fault of my guess? As much as I don't like some of what is done that area could use a little organization. If it has not changed since I was there it is just a semi open area. Not even a yellow post site. Meant I am sure just for day hikes at most.
It will be interesting for me to see how close I come. But I will bet they knew within hours the cause.



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JeffS, Wed Jul 01 2015, 03:52PM

bills grandson wrote ...

I haven't heard any speculation on the cause of the fire yet.
I know they have to dot the t's and cross the i's but I would bet dollars to donuts they not only know the cause but know who is responsible.
I know the area within a few feet of where it started. It is an informal trailhead with no real organization. My thoughts are it was an unattended campfire. Although I never can understand a campfire in the middle of summer. No doubt they were on a hike when the fire started and they would have left a vehicle very near the point of origon, and had probably not returned..
Although it could have been arson I doubt it. Not the best place for that.
This is just my best guess and we will have to wait. I cannot understand how anyone can be so careless



I once hiking down from South Fork saw someone camped out at the South Fork Meadows area with a illegal fire and not attended....WHen I talked to the ranger who was putting it out he said he had a talk with the kids and they didn't realize what they were doing.......I guess it's really not true you can't fix stupid...

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TonkaTruk, Wed Jul 01 2015, 07:54PM

any one of us who doesn't think arson when traditional starts like lightning or structure fire are not indicated, isn't paying attention. Whether intentional or just reckless, having a fire one doesn't pay attention to, is IMHO, arson when you are in the forest. Period.

I don't know the reason behind the Lake Fire. Because of the lack of info from authorities now this far into the fire, I have my suspicions, but am withholding judgement until we do hear from the authorities. No need to speculate until we have all the details. I do suspect there are things we mere mortals aren't being told. I'm ok with that, unless there is something we can do to contribute to an investigation (like did you see anyone near the start? but that's kind of a given as a responsible person in the forest).

My big anger really has been over the drone and loss of CJ's property. The expansion of the fire might have still happened, but seems to have grown exponentially because of the lack of air support. I am not a violent person, but lord help the moron if he were left in a mob-mentality crowd after being ID'd.

I'm so glad the FF are making great progress. The forest will never be the same and that is hugely sad for me, as I love San G and the SBNF, but I know fire is a part of a forest and am glad the crews have done an awesome job of saving as many structures and property as they have. I look at the maps and think what could have happened without the crews---and am so very, very thankful it was not worse.

3 cheers for the FF's and crews!

TT



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blank, Thu Jul 02 2015, 08:51AM

It was just complete devastation': After fire, Inland Empire couple wonders if drones cost them their home

Diane Best and Christopher Lawrence struggled for words Wednesday as they walked along the rubble and ash that once was their remote mountain retreat.

This was the couple’s sec-ond trip back to the house after it burned last Thursday. When they first saw the damage Saturday, Best said she couldn’t believe her eyes.

“It was gut-wrenching, heartbreaking,” said Best, 64. “I just felt sick to my stomach, and it was just complete devastation.”

The 2,800-square-foot house on a 657-acre property near Heartbreak Ridge – between the 38 and Pioneertown – was a total loss after burning in the 49-square-mile Lake fire, Best said. It was reduced to about 4 feet of rubble inside a cracked cement foundation. The only reminders of the 24-year-old house were some red coffee mugs and clay pots.

The ground surrounding the property was black. Signs on the entrance gate had been melted, and parts of the ground were still smoldering Wednesday. In addition to the house, a 10-foot-by-12-foot cabin, a power-shed, solar panels and a wood deck were destroyed in the fire.

Mountain memories

Though seeing her house burned to the ground was discouraging, Best said she will always cherish her memories of the home.

“We had some great times there,” Best said. “Living here, one of the biggest luxuries was the total silence. You’ll never sleep that well anywhere else. It almost hurts your ears. Once in a while, an airplane would fly over, but that’s about it. We also had the most incredible wells here, filled with spring water from the highest peak in Southern California. Also the sky, the sky was so blue here.”
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TonkaTruk, Thu Jul 02 2015, 01:48PM

Sorry for the autocorrect fails CLaw---have a friend named CJ and apparently, my computer thinks you are one and the same and I didn't catch it before hitting reply. sigh.

Oso--thanks for the article---such sadness as it appears that 10k acres and the structure loss might not have happened without interference from the drone.

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blank, Thu Jul 02 2015, 07:46PM

Here's the link to the lost Sol Mountain Retreat.

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May the memories live on.

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NShore.Allen, Sun Jul 05 2015, 10:42AM

I was at the village fire update board and a couple cal fire guys came to update the map. I told them how much everyone appreciated all the firefighters keeping the fire away from heavily populated areas. One of the firefighters gave me the prior map!



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Mtngoat John⭐, Thu Jul 16 2015, 06:10AM

Inciweb now lists the cause as
Human - remains under investigation

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bills grandson, Thu Jul 16 2015, 06:38AM

Might as well have said fire.
Guess they could have said aliens?

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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 17 2015, 08:52AM

The scanner audio of the Keller peak lookout calling in the fire sounds as if a fire was going in the area before it all blew up. He asks if the poop out incident was still active, the response is yes. Then the scanner audio went something like this “San Bernardino Killer Peak, Is the poop out incident still active? Killer peak San Bernardino that is affirmative.” That was on Big Bear Scanner June 17th @3PM audio.

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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 17 2015, 09:17AM

dam sam

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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 17 2015, 04:23PM


Killer peak look out calling in the fire. Starts at 29 seconds into the audio.

Audio from Big Bear Scaner


poopout.mp3

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Hooky Bobber, Fri Jul 17 2015, 04:29PM

I hope they were not doing pile burning. You see the unattained piles smoldering with no one around going down the hill all the time.

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Benny ⭐, Fri Jul 17 2015, 08:56PM

Goes to show we still have some good hotspots out on the Lake Fire, and will for months... shot this tonight with my San G cam (back in service!). This is up in the San Gorgonio Wilderness, north of the peak.

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bills grandson, Fri Jul 17 2015, 10:39PM

I was hoping they would go after anything more then a single tree. I've noticed on some fires they have let an entire stand burn up in these situations. We really need to have these islands of forest to recover quickly.

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bills grandson, Sat Aug 29 2015, 11:35AM

I recently went to inciweb and saw this first map. Shows the hot spots at the time. Would be nice to see a current one. They still have a lot of guys working on it. I heard they have done a lot in the Santa Ana canyon to try and mitigate any damage the El Nino might do this winter. What I heard seemed excessive but time will tell. I sure hope they are proven wrong. That is a beautiful area. One of our few all year streams in the area

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SCM ALERT🚨, Mon Sep 05 2016, 10:48AM

The timelapse camera of the Lake Fire, June 2015. You can see how fast it spread due to winds.
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