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[poll] BBMWD - Facilities Workshop & Hatchery Poll

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BBMWD
Fri Apr 12 2019, 03:45PM
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Lumber Jill ⭐ wrote ...

BBMWD wrote ...

A little clarification on funding for both options: neither option would require additional taxes or fees to the public.

How would it be paid for?


The short answer is from District reserves and interest income, accumulated by efficiencies and savings. For a more detailed explanation, the District's current budget is available on our website: [Click Here]
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MtMan
Fri Apr 12 2019, 05:42PM

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I would vote for the cheaper alternative but of course with public access. Build it at the zoo and you attract more people to come and visit. What an awesome idea to have a fish hatchery here. Zoo benefits as well as the lake. We used to take our children to almost every hatchery along the 395 and loved it. Wasn't "deluxe" but fun for all.

Shut Up and Fish!
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Airport Razz
Fri Apr 12 2019, 06:47PM
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Hmmm, I do remember as a kid stopping in at the hatchery up by Mt. Whitney a number of times. I could see something like this set up like the zoo. DWP has a good start with their rainbow fingerlings aquarium . OK, considering changing to deluxe
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Airport Razz
Fri Apr 12 2019, 06:49PM
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The scale of this operation wouldn't fit at the zoo. Although they certainly could do a scales down version or at least a display showing what is there to be seen, enjoyed and learned from
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Lumber Jill ⭐
Fri Apr 12 2019, 06:52PM

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It's still money we paid, right? How about it going for what we paid. What's the advantage of deluxe? Basic will do the job.

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kleines Kanu
Sun Apr 14 2019, 10:40AM
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Just to add a little clarity to the conversation. The BBMWD has done a pretty good job of managing its financial resources in the past few years. There are sufficient funds currently available to build either a very basic fish hatchery which will do the job of providing fish in the lake or to build a more visitor friendly hatchery which would add more tourist and educational oriented elements to the project. While the actual numbers are not nailed down I think the basic project will come in around $5 million and to doll it up to a more tourist based project would probably add another 20% to the deal. Those numbers are just my best guess based on what I have seen so far so please don't think they are engraved in stone.
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Lumber Jill ⭐
Sun Apr 14 2019, 12:08PM

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If there is an excess of funds, why not cut the customers some slack on rates?

What doesn't kill me does NOT make me stronger. It makes me anxious, bitchy, and vulnerable...but nobody wants to see that embroidered on a pillow...Lisa Kogan...thx LXL...sorry i stole it from you! Ok, maybe I'm not sorry :-P

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kleines Kanu
Sun Apr 14 2019, 12:21PM
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Excess funds can be used to reduce fees in the short term or construct/maintain facilities, or be held in reserve for a time when revenues are low. The BBMWD believes that the current lake use rates are reasonable and competitive with other similar facilities in the region. The question often comes up about possibly giving a fee break to locals but CA law will not allow BBMWD to do that, so all lake users, both locals and visitors, must be charged equally. The funds that are currently being considered for construction of the hatchery project can be used for any lake related type of program or project.
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MtMan
Sun Apr 14 2019, 01:08PM

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Well, isn't that just great. CA law doesn't allow to give a fee break but certainly allows fee increases. Yes, makes perfect sense. Awesome. Please people, next time, and every time, a new tax is proposed on a ballot, vote NO. No more new taxes and no more bond issues. Stop voting for these stupid taxes.

Back to the subject, I again vote for the basic, and NOT the more expensive version of the fish hatchery. In fact, if it was "legal", I would vote for lowering my bills rather than spending it on a hatchery.

Shut Up and Fish!
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kleines Kanu
Sun Apr 14 2019, 02:52PM
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This is wondering off of the subject a bit but I think it is important to understand that the main reason the BBMWD cannot discriminate on fees between locals and visitors is because we accept grant funding and other types of financial benefits from the State which the entire state pays for. The state buys BBMWD patrol boats, does some stocking of fish, paid to rehabilitate the dam (Davis-Grunsky funds), provides for quagga mussel program expenses, and numerous other programs and benefits. So the logic goes that if we are going to accept money and other help from the state we cannot discriminate against any visitors by charging them more for services than we charge locals.
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Dreamweaver
Aug 21 : 10:11pm
In The Grizzly, According to the Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment, microcystis (blue green algae) releases a toxin into the water when its cells die. Ingestion of water or algae containing microcystin can create health problems for fish, dogs, cats, livestock and people.
Please watch your furry friends.

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 05:59pm
You bet!

bildo
Aug 21 : 05:17pm
I'm glad I checked. I would not have been happy to have driven there from RS at 5:30am... Guess I'll do this one next week.
THANKS!

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 05:12pm
Yeah that's not going to work, that's where they're filming... Unless you hoofed it around on the backside (south) side of the ridge to steer clear of the area. The helicopter will be doing touch and go's in that area.

bildo
Aug 21 : 04:58pm
Hmmm. The ridge route (2N21) was what I had planned. I'm not heading to Sugarloaf - I wanted to go to Sugarlump - which I think may also be known as Bear Peak. USGS calls it Sugarlump.

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 04:38pm
No, the only traffic control is for the repaving project down on Moonridge for the new Zoo. But if you're going to Sugarloaf and parking via 2N10, you cannot get through. All the filming is taking place across our ridge route, from Chair 9 over to Bear Peak, so you can't cross over the Bear Mtn Property from that direction. You'd need to hike up from the Moonridge/Lassen side or go park off Hwy 38.

bildo
Aug 21 : 04:04pm
Thanks Benny. So, no traffic control up to the trailhead at the end of Club View for parking?

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 03:54pm
You're fine bildo, the shoot is taking place on Bear Mtn's property. The helicopter isn't here yet, you're probably just seeing the tour chopper. There's a Blackhawk coming in for the filming, probably tomorrow through the weekend.

bildo
Aug 21 : 03:33pm
Hi all - was planning a hike tomorrow morning to Sugarlump Peak, starting at end of Club View. Will this be a problem due to movie shoot? Planned start 6am.

solargardens
Aug 21 : 02:38pm
We are thinning out our LOTS of our purple iris.
We would to like to find homes for them.
Check out the green thumbs forum for more information.

Casadelgado
Aug 21 : 02:34pm
Indeed I missed it. Try to read this every day but sometimes I don't catch things. Getting old.....

doo·hick·ey
Aug 21 : 02:27pm
(Tiny chopper) for aerial footage? Or are they all using drones for that?

doo·hick·ey
Aug 21 : 02:18pm
I thought Homeland was cancelled. There goes a chopper..

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 02:17pm
We've been talking about it on here for a while now.... surprised you missed it!

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 02:16pm
Yeah wait'll the military helicopters land... then it'll be a party!



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