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SSJ2012
Wed Feb 06 2019, 08:49PM
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We’re doing this in inches!?!? Thought it was metric after last year!!!
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Benny ⭐
Wed Feb 06 2019, 08:58PM


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SSJ2012 wrote ...

We’re doing this in inches!?!? Thought it was metric after last year!!!


Or centimeters!

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Snow Pool Status Update
Looks like these are the folks still in the running!

68 MtnBluebird
69 Tibia w6ajo
70 NShore.Allen
71 Around The Lake
72 MtMan
73 SDGrandma
74 Socal man
75 IDKnothin
76 doo·hick·ey
77 Hank
78 MrOwl
79 Charles
80 Sissyk
81 USFS 1964
82 Canvas Man
83 BaughHumbug
84 Desert Steve
85 SSJ2012
86 Between Stars
87 kof218
88 Wave Slider
89 HBadger
91 louisae
92 mam abear001
93 Billboy
94 BusterBrown
96 melvin
99 Polar Orbit
100 Quixotic1forU
101 bbcmike
102 ButlerPeakFire
103 Mauluch
109 Silver
125 ChattieKathie
144 Mount ainlvr
186 Skyline Drive

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Polar Orbit
Fri Mar 01 2019, 05:43PM
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If all the rain had been snow, there would only be three left.

Don't blame me! I was left unsupervised!
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Benny ⭐
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Which rain? When we got the 10" at the dam? It would likely have been more like 5 feet just from that one storm. Snow can't fall as fast as rain, so when the NWS calls for a qpf say of 1" and we're expecting snow, then we'll likely pick up around a half foot.

But then you have all the other variables like moisture content for one. Our snow usually falls at a 8:1 ratio (very wet), but that last colder storm was closer to 15:1.

So the old saying 1 inch or rain equals 1 foot of snow is incorrect, technically 1 inch of rain will equal 10 inches of snow, but mileage varies!

Polar Orbit wrote ...

If all the rain had been snow, there would only be three left.



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Polar Orbit
Fri Mar 01 2019, 08:38PM
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As you pointed out, 5 feet is 60 inches, added to 68 inches is 128 inches, leaving two pickers. Drop the rain/snow numbers for wet snow, and I might still in contention at 99.

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NShore.Allen
Fri Mar 01 2019, 08:43PM

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I recall the Kuchera ratio. What is better for our conditions?

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Benny ⭐
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Kuchera ratio could be applicable for our conditions, taking into account the generally warmer temps down here at the surface in our climate to calculate accumulation forecasts. Then again, with kuchera it's looking at temps in the lower half of the atmosphere, and given our altitude up from sea level, I s'pose that could confuse that theory/forecast.

That's trying to get down a lot more granular than we we forecast, hence the broad brush forecasts, 4-8"+, 6-12" etc.

If we could get the snowfall forecast down to..."tomorrow we'll have 3" of snow" that'd be awesome. But atmospheric conditions aside, there's too many other variables with our microclimate in SoCal. Maybe in the midwest when you have a more traditional cold front sweeping through, but the only thing predictable about our weather is its un-predictability!

I'm not exactly sure where Polar Orbit went with his statement, it's incomplete, or in Orbit as the name suggests.

PO, you originally stated "If all the rain had been snow, there would only be three left."

All what rain and three what? Our big rainstorm back in early-mid Feb?

Three feet of snow left on the ground if we received 5 feet with that storm?

Or three feet left if we received 128" of snow for the season?

Last month we received over 40" of snow, so for argument sake let's say 4 feet, much of which has already melted.

Maybe you can elaborate on your little algorithm you have going there?

This thread is for the snowpool, how much snow has fallen, not our snowpack.

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MrOwl
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I think Polar meant 3 people would be left in the snow pool???

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Benny ⭐
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MrOwl wrote ...

I think Polar meant 3 people would be left in the snow pool???



Hmmm, that could be, I think I may have overthunk this one.

Hence pickers I s'pose. Good luck to all the pickers, pick a winner!

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Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 05:59pm
You bet!

bildo
Aug 21 : 05:17pm
I'm glad I checked. I would not have been happy to have driven there from RS at 5:30am... Guess I'll do this one next week.
THANKS!

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 05:12pm
Yeah that's not going to work, that's where they're filming... Unless you hoofed it around on the backside (south) side of the ridge to steer clear of the area. The helicopter will be doing touch and go's in that area.

bildo
Aug 21 : 04:58pm
Hmmm. The ridge route (2N21) was what I had planned. I'm not heading to Sugarloaf - I wanted to go to Sugarlump - which I think may also be known as Bear Peak. USGS calls it Sugarlump.

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 04:38pm
No, the only traffic control is for the repaving project down on Moonridge for the new Zoo. But if you're going to Sugarloaf and parking via 2N10, you cannot get through. All the filming is taking place across our ridge route, from Chair 9 over to Bear Peak, so you can't cross over the Bear Mtn Property from that direction. You'd need to hike up from the Moonridge/Lassen side or go park off Hwy 38.

bildo
Aug 21 : 04:04pm
Thanks Benny. So, no traffic control up to the trailhead at the end of Club View for parking?

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 03:54pm
You're fine bildo, the shoot is taking place on Bear Mtn's property. The helicopter isn't here yet, you're probably just seeing the tour chopper. There's a Blackhawk coming in for the filming, probably tomorrow through the weekend.

bildo
Aug 21 : 03:33pm
Hi all - was planning a hike tomorrow morning to Sugarlump Peak, starting at end of Club View. Will this be a problem due to movie shoot? Planned start 6am.

solargardens
Aug 21 : 02:38pm
We are thinning out our LOTS of our purple iris.
We would to like to find homes for them.
Check out the green thumbs forum for more information.

Casadelgado
Aug 21 : 02:34pm
Indeed I missed it. Try to read this every day but sometimes I don't catch things. Getting old.....

doo·hick·ey
Aug 21 : 02:27pm
(Tiny chopper) for aerial footage? Or are they all using drones for that?

doo·hick·ey
Aug 21 : 02:18pm
I thought Homeland was cancelled. There goes a chopper..

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 02:17pm
We've been talking about it on here for a while now.... surprised you missed it!

Benny ⭐
Aug 21 : 02:16pm
Yeah wait'll the military helicopters land... then it'll be a party!



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