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Polar Orbit
Sat Aug 11 2018, 06:46AM
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Michael Mann is a paid shill for the warmists. Caught in the climategate, but somehow survived. Won't turn over his computer models even though they were publicly funded.
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Oh look, if you don't buy into the "climate change" tax scam, you are now called a "warmist'. cool.

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Cliff Mass is not a “denier”—that is, someone who denies humans are contributing to climate change through the release of greenhouse gases like CO2. He’s defensive on that point, concluding one phone interview with Seattle Weekly by imploring, “I’m not a denier!”

But he is something of a not-yet-er, arguing that the effects of climate change will be felt decades in the future, not now.

Needless to say, this isn’t a universally accepted stance—even if it is one that gets heard globally: Such is Mass’ high public profile that some of climate research’s biggest players are well aware of him.

Upon hearing his name when contacted for this story, prominent climate scientist Kevin Trenberth, a lead author of two of the U.N.’s definitive reports on man’s effects on the climate, interrupted to say that Mass was a “weather scientist, not a climate scientist.?


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Sep 21 : 06:31pm
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Benny (N6BWX)
Sep 21 : 05:36pm
Looks like a great topic for the forum, a lot of good discussion here, sad to see it all scroll off....

Minka
Sep 21 : 05:19pm
Between Stars: 🤣

NShore.Allen
Sep 21 : 05:03pm
There is a BVES "de-energization" plan meeting Sept 25 atet e Best Western.. will inform you what will happen during a wildfire. You may get your other questions answered too.

Between Stars
Sep 21 : 01:24pm
Nice weather we are having.

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 01:14pm
JT, i will do my best to pass this along. I agree. BVES is not really "with the times" when it comes to informing its customers of outages. I know SCE has a LIVE outage map and will send you numerous fliers and emails letting you know there will be a planned outage. I know BVES follows SCE standards for a lot of their planning work and hopefully SCE's approach with outages will rub off on BVES as well.

Just Thinkin'
Sep 21 : 01:11pm
Hey ButlerPeak-- your information is appreciated. I think that BVES' biggest problem is the lack of communication with BB Valley residents. And while I see efforts to improve communication (ie: the meetings regarding emergency de-energizing), there is much more they could do. For instance, in August there were scheduled outages. Residents were not well informed; an alert was posted to BVES' Facebook page but...come on...how many of us check BVES' Facebook page every day? If you have connections with the company's administration, tell them they need to do a better job keeping residents informed of ALL developments -- planned or otherwise. Alerts and announcements should be immediately posted to KBHR, The Grizzly, and SoCalMountains.com. If they continue to "leave us in the dark" so to speak, this will only fuel further rumors and greater hostility. Please relay this to the decision makers at BVES. Thanks!

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 12:49pm
The company has to follow the agreement with the City or they will be in violation and will receive numerous citations. They will comply.

Like i said the businesses probably didn't pay for it. Im 90% sure the city did. So this is a moot point. However, from my experiences the businesses will gladly pay for Utility poles to be removed to increase their "curb appeal" in hopes that more customers will come to their store. They dont generally need to raise their prices to cover the cost because the "curb appeal" does work and their buisness goes up due to higher customer volume and not price increases.

Like i said it is what it is. I understand that it was a HUGE pain in the butt for the locals, but in the end it is a solid improvement for BVES that should reduce outages and increase the reliability of the overall grid.

Airport Razz
Sep 21 : 12:40pm
Living in a fantasy world if you really think that if a business upgrades their store front that they aren't going to pass that cost onto their customers. Happens every bloody day in our economy. Or as the politicians like to call it, TAX INCREASE. And what happens when the company that needs to to the boring says its now too expensive and thumbs their nose at local government, like they already have? We will still have poles. Just another broken promise. BPF not blaming you or BVES (other than the mess with generator and our ridiculous rates) but end of the day, the money still has to come from somewhere and it aint coming out of Jerry's pocket. Rose colored glasses doesn't do anyone any good.

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 12:08pm
Here is an explanation

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ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 12:07pm
Yes that is correct. Its called a "moratorium". Directional Boring does not involve digging up the street. Its much more expensive and is used in instances like these.

holeinbow
Sep 21 : 12:03pm
After the last round of undergrounding work, i thought nobody would be allowed to dig up the boulevard for five years?!

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 11:58am
I'm not trying to be the bad guy here I just want to make sure everyone understands the whole picture. I work for an outside contractor and do alot of the engineering work for various power companies. BVES is one of them. I did not plan the job on BB Blvd, but i understand the process from an insider's point of view.

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 11:56am
Comm/CATV are scheduled to go underground VIA directional boring which should have a minimal impact. BVES had an original plan to include CATV/COMM alongside their Underground project, but those companies refused the proposal and opted to go a different route (directional boring). They are required to go underground and should do so within the next year.

ButlerPeakFire
Sep 21 : 11:52am
American States Water...is an Investor Owned Company......so like i said...



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